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7/15 Update

15 Jul

Update

  1. New Time Range Sort option: There is now a time range filter based on either Update or Publish Date and ranges from 24 hours, 1 week, 1 month, 6 months, 1 year, to the default “All Time”. The time range filter is designed to enhance and complement other filters for larger categories where even filtered results can be in the hundreds of thousands.
  2. Image covers activated for the public pages of Communities (C2s).
  3. New Published Date Sort option for Communities.
  4. Misc minor improvements all around.

We got a lot of great  feedback for our last blog post on new sorting options. Sometimes when we introduce a new feature, it may be designed for a certain group of users. In this case, the sorting options are designed for and much requested by readers. Giving readers more choices is always a good thing for the authors in the long run.

 
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183 responses to “7/15 Update

  1. Izraill

    07/15/2012 at 7:27 am

    I guess the “Misc minor improvements all around.” are the unchecked follow boxes. AWESOME!

     
  2. Gemma

    07/15/2012 at 7:33 am

    The time range sort option is a good idea, and I don’t really mind the popularity sorting feature anymore. I guess it could have positive outcomes. And I’m just saying, if you add too much more to the sites, they will become confusing and hard to use. I don’t want that to happen, I love FF and FP.

     
  3. Writer

    07/15/2012 at 7:35 am

    I don’t know if anyone else has this, but the options on the side (the ones that expand when you click on them) are twice the size the than they were a few days ago. Is this a glitch or is it supposed to happen?

     
    • ^_^

      07/15/2012 at 7:42 am

      Not a glitch afaik. I got ‘em too. We don’t really need ‘em that large. Previous size is sufficient.

       
    • Karama9

      07/16/2012 at 9:47 am

      I can tell you that the size they were at before made it difficult to navigate on a tablet – not impossible, but a bit tricky. This new size is more tablet friendly and does not make browsing difficult on a PC, so for useability, I think it’s a win.

       
  4. Cyth

    07/15/2012 at 7:55 am

    Thank you for fixing the automatic “follow story” and “follow author” boxes!!!

    @writer – yeah, I noticed it also (I’m assuming you’re talking about when you go into your account).

    I also wanted to know if there is any way to sort the reviews by ‘average reviews per chapter’. As I mentioned in an earlier post, there are some amazing one-shots with 20+ reviews that end up getting buried when you sort by the review count. When I’m looking for a story that people like – I’d like to be able to read one-shots as well but by the time I hit the one-shots, I’m reading some mediocre stories with multiple chapters which have more reviews than the one-shots.

    Thanks!

     
    • Darkelf

      07/15/2012 at 2:17 pm

      I think that’s a great idea- some stories with the most reviews just have tons of chapters. Reviews per chapter would be a lot more useful than just the total number.

       
      • Sariniste

        07/15/2012 at 8:13 pm

        I agree that the “average reviews per chapter” is usually a better guide. However, the problem is that when you sort by that average, what sorts to the top are abandoned stories where the author had many chapters but then deleted most of them. So you get a page full of abandoned stories… not the best entry page to the site.

         
    • dr.girlfriend

      07/16/2012 at 12:35 pm

      Doesn’t sorting by “favorites” more or less resolve this issue? And since both options already exist, you can have both.

       
  5. tiquatue

    07/15/2012 at 8:38 am

    I’ll third or fourth or nth the thanks for removing the check marks from below the review boxes. That was one new feature that bugged me a lot.

     
  6. Amber Ragan

    07/15/2012 at 9:35 am

    there seems to an issues with the category boxes in regards to language, rating, characters both a and b options…it really takes the joy out of read anything, when you can’t find what you’re looking for.

     
  7. Amber Ragan

    07/15/2012 at 9:44 am

    this in regards to my last comment. It only seems to be in the crossover section that this issue happens

     
    • Prism Blue

      07/15/2012 at 6:33 pm

      Are you having the same issue I’m having? Everytime I try to change the rating for searching under crossovers it defaults back to K through T. Also for some reason Fraccion is listed under the non crossover Naruto section in characters while Fraccion is from Bleach.

       
      • Ofunu

        07/15/2012 at 7:33 pm

        Yeah, I’m having the same problem, the filtering in the crossover categories is not working at all. It’s not only in the aforementioned fields, but in each and everyone of them. Every time you press the ‘go’ button all the filters go back to their default value.

         
  8. Krissy

    07/15/2012 at 9:52 am

    I’m not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but this is a Sort option I’d love to see: After a reader sorts by Category, can the reader then be able to have a secondary sorting by Character pairing when the reader is looking at someone’s favorite stories list for instance? I thought it could be helpful when looking at authors’ favorites list when they have more than 100 stories on it, and I know not everyone likes all character pairings and hate having to skim through it all.

     
  9. Lily

    07/15/2012 at 10:08 am

    I’d like to be able to turn off the cover feature, both on my author page (so my stories do not display a cover) and on others (because I find the covers to be very distracting, and subconsciously I find myself deciding what to read based on how good their cover art is, which I think detracts from the point of the story in the first place). I also think that displaying the story stats on the regular pages isn’t cool. Things like the number of follows and favorites should only be available for viewing by the author of the story, because some people might judge a story’s quality based on those numbers without even bothering to read a little bit of it, when in fact those numbers aren’t an accurate barometer at all. Some authors have inadequate story summaries that don’t draw in readers, but are in actuality really good stories. Other fandoms are more popular than others. Plus there are a ton of people who just don’t leave reviews (honestly, I’ve found the only good way to tell who’s reading your stories is to check the traffic stats).

     
    • favoonilla

      07/15/2012 at 2:45 pm

      Lily, if it helps, the mobile version (follow the link at the top of the home page) doesn’s include the cover images, and I find it quite clean and easy to read.

       
  10. Asia

    07/15/2012 at 10:12 am

    I think the changes you are making are great. However, I would love to see more sort features within the communities, like words, genre or reviews. Thanks

     
  11. Kierany9

    07/15/2012 at 10:29 am

    Not a bad idea. The Time Range will prove useful for me and I hope the misc. improvements are good. And C2′s are finally getting their pictures.
    “We got a lot of great feedback for our last blog post on new sorting options. Sometimes when we introduce a new feature, it may be designed for a certain group of users. In this case, the sorting options are designed for and much requested by readers”
    Its removal is much more requested. And it is VERY discouraging to novice writers. Favs and follows should be private.

     
  12. REndeavor

    07/15/2012 at 10:42 am

    Thanks for removing the auto-checked boxes!

    I’d also like to say thanks for the new sorting options. I’m a reader first and a writer second, and the reader in me loves the transparency. Even as a writer I try to be open with my readers.

    To those who oppose public stats: I like to ask myself why I write, so may I ask you guys as well? Why do you write?

    I write because I want people to enjoy reading as much as I do. That’s my goal. How do these new sorting stats affect that? They really don’t.

    If your goal is to get as many reviews/favorites/alerts/hits/visitors as possible, I can see how this affects you. That’s why I support an opt-out feature. Some of you like competing.

    I know we’re all here for a different reason, but there’s one thing we all have in common: we’re here to write. We didn’t come here to obsess over stats (I hope).

    I’m here to write. I’m here to provide a free story for people’s enjoyment all around the world. I’m here to be a better writer than I was the day before. I’m here to practice and improve.

    It’s not a popularity contest unless you make it one. You are your metric, not someone else.

    Besides, I think we’re forgetting something: good writing will be found because it’s displayed directly above all those tiny stat numbers. At the end of the day, the writing is more prominent. It just doesn’t seem that way because these features are new and our eyes are locked on them. Give it time.

    Readers are here to read. You can put money on it: readers will find the stories they want to read.

    Try to remember why you’re here, writers. Perhaps you’ll discover that these changes aren’t so bad after all.

     
    • tiquatue

      07/15/2012 at 1:24 pm

      Well said.

       
    • viola

      07/15/2012 at 2:38 pm

      I oppose the favs and followers because they are too inaccurate to be useful; for a new reader, they can be very misleading. And sort by review without the option to sort it also by the number of chapters is USELESS. It doesn’t really show you popular stories. There are oneshots with 30 reviews, there are mulitichapters by 3 reviews per chapter; but because they have 60 chapters, they will seem more popular.

      Exactly what is transparent in that?

      At the end of the day, the writing is more prominent. It just doesn’t seem that way because these features are new and our eyes are locked on them. Give it time.

      Wrong. At the end of the day, the good marketing is more prominent. And these UNtransparent sortings do just that – marketing for stories that have many reviews – while they don’t have to be really good or popular.

       
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 6:28 pm

        Maybe you’re right, but think about this: In deviantart and in youtube the search results are sorted by popularity by default, and even the new users are seen, and can become “famous”

        I had to think about this for a while before I noticed we were only complaining because the feature wasn’t here before. In a few days, weeks or even months everyone will forget about this and start accepting it.

        There’s a little marketing… So what? This isn’t about popularity, and as long as we keep that in mind everything is going to be alright. Even with the features, they could even add a like/dislike feature and everyone would complain, but in the end everyone would get used to it.

        And for thise stubborn authors who just decided to stop writing, I want to tell you that nobody cares.

         
    • Sariniste

      07/15/2012 at 8:14 pm

      +1 !!

      Really well said!

       
    • Lissie Lupin

      07/16/2012 at 7:37 am

      A genius comment, that yours is.

       
  13. Lorraine

    07/15/2012 at 10:49 am

    I’d like to thank you for unchecking the “follow” boxes by default as well.
    I am curious as to why the (for want of a better term) “background” on pages is beige now…? I frankly find it a rather ugly colour – is it easier on some peoples’ eyes or something of that sort?

     
    • tiquatue

      07/15/2012 at 12:03 pm

      Possibly because it’s easier on the eyes to read than stark black on white — and before you mention the white on black option, some people have problems with that as well.

       
      • Lorraine

        07/15/2012 at 4:45 pm

        I assumed that was what it was… that’s fair enough, then. I personally don’t find black-on-white to be hard on my eyes, but that’s just me, and I suppose that it would be rather difficult to make that a customizable option…

         
  14. Kimberly

    07/15/2012 at 11:02 am

    I, too, am glad you listened to the comments and removed the automatic “follow” options – I kept getting notices I was being ‘followed’ on stories that I had ended a long time ago. I found this default setting highly annoying. Thank you for changing it.

    One enhancement I would love to see is the ability to edit a story’s chapter AFTER the document has been uploaded and then deleted past the 30-day time frame. I have had readers point out errors (continuity, typos, etc.) that I would like to correct on older stories, but since I would have to upload the entire chapter again to change/correct any errors and then replace it in its entirety, I usually decide it’s not worth the effort. It would be a lot easier if I could just get access to the actual chapter that was published so I could just make one or two corrections to it and then resave it without having to replace the entire thing.

    Also, any possibility in the near future that we could insert graphic images into the chapter itself to enhance the story? I haven’t figured out how to do that yet. I know it can be done to accompany the story itself, (as an icon of sorts), but unless I’m mistaken I don’t think you can actually insert an image WITHIN the body of the chapter itself.

    One final thing – would like the ability to expand chapter titles – right now it’s limited and sometimes I would like to use a longer (more descriptive) chapter title at times, but cannot do so due to character limitations.

     
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 12:55 pm

      Kimberly,

      There is a way to edit a chapter of your story once it’s no longer in the Doc Manager section. Go to your chapter upload section under Manage Stories, and export your chapter back to the Doc Manager. I’ve had to do this when I realized I had some horribly obvious errors I missed.

      Thought I’d point that out :)

       
      • tiquatue

        07/15/2012 at 1:26 pm

        And when you’ve made the corrections, you can easily upload the exported chapter right into the same slot as the original one.

         
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 4:36 pm

        Thank you, I forgot to mention that. But yes, that’s how it can be done: Export, edit, replace. You never have to open your word processor if you don’t want to :)

         
      • Kimberly

        07/18/2012 at 2:07 pm

        Thank you for the suggestion! I think that would be very helpful. I’ll try that next time!:)

         
      • ALT

        07/18/2012 at 2:18 pm

        You’re very welcome; I find that to be the best solution when doing a quick-edit; why reupload when you only want to change a small bit? :D

         
  15. ShikiKira

    07/15/2012 at 11:24 am

    The Favs and Follows of a story should be private to the writer alone. The readers have no business in knowing how many followers and favorites a story has. Please just remove it. It’s very much wanted by a lot of your authors.

     
    • tiquatue

      07/15/2012 at 12:07 pm

      Why? I’d like a serious answer to this rather than, “It’s discouraging to novice authors”. Readers have asked for this and they have as much right to improvements on the site as the authors do.

       
      • Cyth

        07/15/2012 at 2:30 pm

        As an author, I don’t really care that much – but it actually bothers me more as a reader.

        I’m finding that now there is “extra” information (the number of favorites and followers) and it just takes up more space on the page. All I want to do is see the new stories and read. I wish that there was a way that rating/language/genre/chapters/words/reviews, etc would have a line limit (meaning use abbreviations) – especially on the mobile addition because I am finding that I have to scroll a lot more than I used to.

         
      • ShikiKira

        07/16/2012 at 1:47 am

        It’s not because it discouraging to the novice authors. It’s more of it being a privacy issue. I, personally, don’t believe a reader should have that information. I don’t mind that there are readers who want this function. I believe I have a healthy amount of both for my stories, but like I said before the favorites and followers/alerts a story has should be private to the author. I kind of feel as if my right to privacy, like the site has promised, has been invaded and a part of it has been stripped away because of this new addition.

        There might be a whole lot of more readers than there are authors, but the site administration should respect the authors’ opinions a bit more than the readers. After all, they are the ones that provide the material for the readers to read.

         
      • ShikiKira

        07/16/2012 at 2:20 pm

        I never said it was a popularity contest. But the tallies that are provided for us were originally meant to be for the author’s eyes only.

        I don’t post on a public site for popularity, and I can careless about what a good amount of people think. Why I post on a public site is so I can get feedback on how I can improve my writing skills. Each writer and author is different from each other and what we find is definitely different from one another. What I don’t understand is what business does a reader have with knowing our story statistics. Sometimes I don’t think they should really even be allowed to see the reviews a story has. Not the amount of them, but what the reviews actually says about the story.

         
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 12:15 pm

      I think it’s a rather good idea, as it helps readers just as much as the writers. While it does give more exposure to more popular stories, and reveal the amount of favorites and followers, it helps readers (like myself) who are rather picky with the quality and style of work that they read. It can be frustrating looking for something good to read, and having to spend long amounts of time looking through stories I don’t care to read.

      Ultimately, if you really don’t like the new sorting options, then just don’t use them. They default into what they normally were, and only change when you switch them manually (just like the rating and language filters) so keep them how they are and it won’t affect you.

       
      • ShikiKira

        07/16/2012 at 1:51 am

        It probably is a good idea for some, but don’t forget there are also some stories out with a high amount of favorites and followers/alerts that are also of poor quality. I don’t like this and I don’t use it. I just wish they didn’t freely give out information that was originally only for the authors to readers who really no business in knowing about it. I like my privacy, and I’m a good amount of other authors do too.

         
      • ALT

        07/16/2012 at 1:54 am

        I don’t understand why this is a breach of privacy. It’s not giving my name, email, password, or personal information out. It’s giving out information similar to amount of reviews, amount of words in the story, etc. If that’s a breach of privacy, than shouldn’t the reviews be made private as well? I need a better understanding of why you find this so offensive, as I’m not seeing the reason.

         
      • ShikiKira

        07/16/2012 at 2:22 am

        For me the statistics of your story is pretty much similar to your grade report in a way. If you have good grades/ratings/scores you want to brag about. You have bad ones, you want to hide them. And then there are people who just don’t think it’s anyone’s business to know but them.

        Would you really like anyone who passes by to know what grades you received in school or would you rather keep them to yourself?

         
      • ALT

        07/16/2012 at 2:25 am

        If I worked hard for my grades, I wouldn’t care. If I didn’t, I still wouldn’t care, because it was my lack of effort that resulted in poor grades.The example you used doesn’t make sense anyways, because from what I remember about attending school, my teachers all posted the grades in the classroom publicly anyways. So maybe it’s different where you attended (or still attend, if you are) but it doesn’t make much difference to me.

         
      • ShikiKira

        07/16/2012 at 2:34 am

        See, it’s different for you. Where I’m from school reports are mailed to the students home, and if grades are posted publicly then only our student ids listed next to our grades, leaving our privacy intact.

        You may not care that others can see what your statistics are, but there are plenty of others out who do. And I care that others are seeing my story statistics.

         
      • tiquatue

        07/16/2012 at 8:21 am

        ShikiKira, I’ve read ALT’s responses, and I agree with them. It’s not a privacy issue. FF.net doesn’t have to supply you with a tally of faves/follows. It used to be that they only did that for paying members. Since it’s not *personally identifying information*, it’s not a privacy issue. It’s their data, generated on their servers with their software. It’s not yours, and they can do with it as they please.

        Seriously, why is this seen as a popularity contest? Why is it seen as “grading” (which it isn’t) or “judging” (which it isn’t). It’s a tool that helps the readers choose what they want to read. If you’re so concerned for your privacy, if you see this as such a big privacy issue, I have a word of advice.

        Don’t post on a public website.

        In fact, if you’re so concerned about your privacy at ff.net, wipe all the text off your profile and remove your avatar. Those speak more to who you are, what you are like, and the quality of your writing far more than any fave/follow data could.

        BTW, the most likely and most important reason a school mails report cards home isn’t privacy. It’s so they actually get into the hands of the parents.

         
    • tiquatue

      07/16/2012 at 7:28 pm

      “Originally”. Just like the hits counters, traffic stats, and faves/follow tallies were “originally” only for paid subscribers. Then the admins gave those features to all authors. Now, they’re extending some of them to the readers, who have asked for them. It’s a matter of privilege, not privacy. Your argument boils down to that, really. Authors are to be more privileged than readers. They’re not supposed to get any of the same information that the authors get. (Sounds like me back in the day of paid subscriptions!)

      As far as reviews are concerned, readers should have the right to read their content — especially since the author didn’t write them! I’m sure there are a lot of businesses out there who would much prefer that they could remove their bad Google reviews! But those reviews, good and bad, serve a purpose. One is to warn the public about bad business practices or to commend good ones. Two is to – hopefully – spur a business to better their practices, to show them where they’re falling down on the job, and to encourage them if they’re doing well. Same thing for reviews at ff.net. They’re written specifically for public consumption and shouldn’t be hidden away from public view.

       
  16. Lord Kelvin

    07/15/2012 at 11:24 am

    Suggestion: sorting stories shorter than X words. Sometimes, you have little time to read and are looking for a quick read. Right now the filter caters to longer reads.

     
    • Jackie

      07/15/2012 at 11:58 am

      Thank you for unchecking those boxes!

      While I’m still not a fan of my favs and follows being exposed, I’m glad we are being heard. :)

       
    • tiquatue

      07/15/2012 at 12:09 pm

      I agree with Kelvin’s suggestion here. Or perhaps an option to sort from least reviews/faves/follows to most.

       
  17. Kayla

    07/15/2012 at 11:47 am

    Yeah, i agree with the fact that the favs and follows should be private. I mean, i like writing ALOT but it discourages me when i see people with lots of followers when i don’t really have any.

     
  18. Candy Cane

    07/15/2012 at 11:53 am

    Problem: there is an issue with getting e-mails about subscriptions that I cannot unsubscribe to. On my profile/alerts/communities or forums, it says I have none. Yet my e-mails is still being blown up with newly added material and when I go to the forum it’s self to unsubscribe, I get take to the Oops! We cannot find this page on http://www.fanfiction.net.
    Most likely you are accessing the site with an outdated link.
    http://www.fanfiction.net/forum/sub.php?action=unsubpage

    Suggestion: Since I see you are giving new ways to sort fanfics, it would be nice if you added a feature which allows people to sort stories by either Het or Slash. It takes way to long to comb through pages of slash to find het stories and I’m sure the slash readers would like to go straight to the slash without wading through the het

     
    • Xing

      07/15/2012 at 1:05 pm

      The correct link is https://www.fanfiction.net/forum/sub.php?action=unsub. Notice the https. We have fixed this issue.

       
    • DC111

      07/19/2012 at 10:58 am

      I doubt they would do the latter, but just a suggestion; search romance and then the two characters in particular that you’re looking for. I think that would find het/slash/whatever you’re after just as efficiently as (yet another) sorting option. ;)

       
  19. ALT

    07/15/2012 at 12:18 pm

    I’m rather liking the changes going on the sites right now; I haven’t seen this much change since 2007 when the last major overhaul was! It’s been fun to see what will be coming next, and I look forward to seeing how much more can be done or will be done via the voice of the users. I like how you’ve been taking suggestions and working them in a way that can be used efficiently. I spent much time yesterday playing around with the new sorting options (which I love!) and seeing what kinds of stories the general populace of readers enjoy and comparing them to my own tastes.

    Keep on rocking!

     
  20. cmcwiki

    07/15/2012 at 12:32 pm

    I actually don’t mind the favs and follows being listed, to me its not any different than having the no of reviews listed.. i love the 24 hour feature, but maybe you could add 48 hours to the list? unless it is on my favs or follows, i am typically a day behind because i’ve decided to read a list of stories i bookmarked in a different category

     
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 12:51 pm

      That is a good idea, putting another time slot between week and day. But instead of making it 48, it would make more sense to do 72 hours (3 days) as that would mark the middle of the week, covering the strangeness of time zone formatting as well (I know it occasionally says I’ve updated a day ahead or behind depending on the time of night).

      But I do like your suggestion :)

       
  21. Ana

    07/15/2012 at 12:45 pm

    Off-topic, but I was wondering if a certain phenomenon that I’ve been seeing lately in book categories–Harry Potter in particular, but I’ve seen it in others–of stories where the canon characters “read” the source material is allowed by the TOS. Most of these stories consist of copied text from the books with a little commentary, and they clog the filters for longer stories.

     
    • Xing

      07/15/2012 at 12:51 pm

      These “reading…” stories or rather copying of stories which inserted comments are not allowed. Please report them.

       
      • Cyth

        07/15/2012 at 2:31 pm

        What happens when we report something? I stopped reporting things because nothing ever got done about it.

         
      • bobmin356

        07/15/2012 at 5:53 pm

        I too have reported stories, including one which depicted the graphic rape of a 12yr old girl. I got no response, the story is STILL online. For years reporting was a waste of time.

         
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 6:52 pm

        Sorry, but when I report something NEVER happens anything. I’ve reported copied stories, plagiarism, interactive, scripted, copyrighted material, and lack of use of the chapter feature and nothing happened, some people would like to see a public warning on the review page of the story if you think the story doesn’t have to be deleted, but we would like to know you’re reading the reports.

         
      • lord_spyridon

        07/15/2012 at 7:20 pm

        I think the lack of response in most reports is why some people tend not to post, especially on the plagiarized reports. I think one person said that it was due to the fanfiction status and supposedly that none of us own the material we’re writing about.

        I know that couple I did report were taken down. I think the fastest was like 5 hours and the other took about a day. Those were for posting quotes directly from a movie with no other original content.

         
      • kat

        07/15/2012 at 7:25 pm

        @Bobmin did you provide text examples of offending material verbatim?

         
      • bobmin356

        07/15/2012 at 8:00 pm

        I didn’t cut and paste the offending content in the dialog box provided. I reported the url of the offending chapter, cited that it was in my opinion borderline child porn and wouldn’t be surprised if someone reported it to the authorities.

        Like the others that have added their own comments to this section, the silence of the FFN response was deafening. It was also the last time I reported anything to them since they obviously weren’t interested.

        The storyline I was complaining about wasn’t just against the TOS for that, but that was the glaring item that had me disgusted with what I was reading. And believe me, it takes a lot to make me throw up my hands in disgust.

         
      • ShikiKira

        07/16/2012 at 1:55 am

        I have to agree with the others. I have been reporting announcement “stories” for years and every time I go back to that fandom that same “story” is online. Almost none of them have been deleted and I re-report a good many of them at least once a month. Reporting has become quite useless when the administration does almost nothing with what has been reported.

         
      • alixe75

        07/16/2012 at 6:08 am

        Hi, Xing
        Is quotations (about 2 or 4 sentences of a poem, a song, a book) are allowed ? This is a very common practice in literature.

         
      • Alicea

        07/18/2012 at 4:16 am

        I was really wondering what happens after the story is reported. Does it get reviewed then decided on based on one report, or does it get automatically deleted for one report, or does it need several to be reviewed, or do you all just delete based on the number of reports. I’m curious to know this. For example say the story (made up as far as I know) “A Walk in the Park” got reported for any reason. Does someone at ff.net look at the story and decide based on that one report or is it just put in a list for deletion? Same question applies if “A Walk in the Park” gets reported 5 times or 50…

        Also is there any way to let the authors know if their story is reported and what is said, after all the readers have the power to report, or gather together to mass report, why can’t the authors get at least to see the reports, and the reviewers findings (if it’s even reviewed) with an official warning. I’ve never actually had a story reported, but with all the groups on ff.net mass reporting you never know.

         
      • Annoyed

        08/06/2012 at 3:41 am

        “These “reading…” stories or rather copying of stories which inserted comments are not allowed. Please report them.”

        On the strength of this comment I’ve BEEN reporting them, along with stories that have chapters that are nothing but author’s notes. I just checked this morning and they are all still there. How discouraging.

         
  22. BrookMctirre

    07/15/2012 at 2:04 pm

    Would it be possible to get the option on the character’s list to sort by having no other character. I like to read stories (in the Harry Potter fandom for example) that only have Harry listed as a character. Currently there is no way to remove stories that have Ginny, Draco, Snape, and the hundreds of other characters as the second character. I don’t know if this is possible but it would be very helpful.

     
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 4:49 pm

      I think that having a filter for OC characters would be useful too, along with lookibg by a single character; searching for stories with two characters and wind up having it not even be about them causes me great irritation. Being able to filter the use of Original Characters would be wondeful :)

       
    • DC111

      07/19/2012 at 11:02 am

      I agree with this! I’ve tried just searching for stories with one main character by selecting that same character in both boxes. But obviously that doesn’t work, as the filter can’t figure that out. ;P It would be nice to filter to stories with a focus on a single main.

       
  23. soupercook

    07/15/2012 at 2:17 pm

    As a reader, I like the new sort options and the additional stats displays. I’ve utilized them both to reconnect to a couple of stories I liked from way-back-when. Apparently other people enjoyed them, too.

    As an author, I don’t really mind the additional stats display. It doesn’t invade my privacy; no one knows any more about me personally than heor she already did from my profile or author’s notes. All that these stats do are report the activity surrounding a story I’ve posted.

    Want readers to give your story a look? Learn to write a great summary, then draw the reader in further with compelling introductory hooks or paragraphs. Good stories generate reviews; great stories generate faves. An author doesn’t start off with a ready-made audience. He or she has to build that audience by writing well and adding stories to his or her body of work. In the meantime, be happy knowing that your stories are reaching people all over the world.

    One of my pet peeves is when a writer says, “I stink at writing summaries, but the story is good.” Really? If you can’t write a decent summary (and you’re telling me this outright), why would I read your story?

    Requests:
    * Sort stories under X number of words. As ALT posted above, sometimes I want to find a shorter story.
    * A sort option between het and slash.
    * I would like to be able to use hyphens in story and chapter titles. Please enable that. Please…!

    Thank you, FF.net, for providing this forum for us to share our creative work with each other!

     
    • Cyth

      07/15/2012 at 3:01 pm

      Hyphens in story and chapter titles would be great – also, if possible, quotations. In the story summary, it would also be great if we could use parenthesis. I write a lot in TV Shows and I think people stopped writing “post episode X” because they would put it in parenthesis and then the parenthesis would just disappear so the warning would just blend into the summary.

       
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 6:35 pm

        Just use this: “/” as parenthesis, I do it and it works. (but I prefer using 3 of them) / / / Like this / / / It looks cool.

         
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 4:46 pm

      You made a lot of great points. Though I have to mention it wasn’t me who made that suggestion for sorting stories under x-amount of words; that would have to be credited to Lord Kelvin :)

      And I would love a way to filter slash and het as well; I am an avid slash reader, and I know people who abhor the thought of slash. While there are communities that cater to both tastes separately, I know that they can be missing some potentially great stories.

      I actually avoid stories and writers who use the “can’t write a summary” excuse; if you can’t figure out a short way to explain the basic plot of your story, how are you telling the larger one? But then again, I can call myself a rather elitist snob when it comes to reading :P

       
  24. Be Rose

    07/15/2012 at 2:49 pm

    I would love to be able to log on to my account in Fanfiction again. I can see the stories, I can read the different chapters, I can leave a guest review but I can’t log in. I can’t even sign in under a different name which I tried as well.
    Log in works on old Windows XP computer but not on new Windows 7 computer.

     
    • Honor

      07/15/2012 at 3:02 pm

      Are u sure it’s not a problem with your computer or browser itself? I am running a windows 7 laptop and I have no problem with logging in.

       
  25. Honor

    07/15/2012 at 3:13 pm

    I love that the Fav author and Fav story buttons are no longer automatically checked. Not so happy that I can’t filter stories. What I want to know, is if it would be possible to make a sort of “hard search” option. What I mean by that is, when I search for say… Dark!Harry, I get not only stories that have that in the summary, but also ones that mention Harry and dark in them. A lot of the time it has nothing to do with a dark Harry at all. While I do love that it doesn’t limit u to your exact wording, I would like to at the very least have a way to make it an option when searching. Also, when I looked under Harry Potter crossovers, I saw multiple entries of things like the Addams family and Xmen on the screen where u pick what the second crossover is. Would there be any way to combine them, so that all the stories are in one place? Finally, there are quite a few stories that are listed as crossovers in the actual summary, but aren’t listed as a crossover. Sometimes this is because the author just didn’t list it as one, but also because there are multiple universes being crossed. Would there be any way to make it easier to find the stories, or do we have to continue to use the old keyword search and hope for the best method?

     
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 4:39 pm

      There is a way to combine them all, but it doesn’t do it by only certain categories. When you’re at the Harry Potter crossover screen, there’s an option that says “Show all Harry Potter Crossovers” at the top above the filter options. It will show each and every crossover that contains Harry Potter stories; that’s currently the only way to do it right now. Hope that helps!

       
      • Honor

        07/15/2012 at 6:42 pm

        I understand that, but what I meant was that some authors write crossover fics, but they don’t mark it as a crossover at all. They will just put it under Harry Potter, or what ever universe that it is they are writing in, and will only mention it is a crossover in the summary. And a lot of the time it is abbreviated, so if you’re not familiar with the crossover, you generally have no clue what it actually is. Thank you, though.

         
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 6:59 pm

        That’s more of an error on the uploader’s part, not FF.NET; they could change it, but if the person uploading their story doesn’t use the correct categories, it wouldn’t make a difference.

         
      • Honor

        07/15/2012 at 7:01 pm

        Also, about the combining thing, what I meant was that when u select a story like Harry potter, on the second crossover selection page, it had two different categories for Addams family and a bunch for X-men, instead of just having all the X-men under one. If i’m looking for a specific story and don’t remember the title or author, I have to click on one X-men link, look at all the stories in it, and if the story isn’t there, I have to look under a different one. It just seems like a waste of time and effort.

         
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 7:09 pm

        Oh, I understand now. You mean across the main categories (such as books, movies, comics, etc.) and combining like categories. I think I’ve seen some of that done before, but the only problem I can see happening from that is (especially with Xmen) the comics are much different than the movies. But I agree; many of them can be combined to save headaches.

         
  26. Sensue Net

    07/15/2012 at 4:09 pm

    I am a huge fan of your amazing sites! I do have one suggestion that I would honestly love to see.

    If there is ANYWAY you could please add a “Slash / Het / Gen” filter, that would be amazing.

    I am not a fan of slash but seem unable to escape it on fanfiction.net. Conversely, fans of slash would welcome being able to sort this way in order for them to find what they are looking for.

     
    • Izraill

      07/15/2012 at 6:40 pm

      I agree, I write het, yuri and yaoi, and that filter would save some characters in the summary because then I wouldn’t have to write “WARNING: Yaoi” (or yuri)

       
      • Honor

        07/15/2012 at 6:45 pm

        I would love this option!!!! I generally prefer reading slash fics, although I will read a het if it is well written (haven’t yet read a yuri/femslash though I eventually will at some point). It would be amazing to be able to separate them out depending on what I’m in the mood to read.

         
      • lord_spyridon

        07/15/2012 at 7:07 pm

        I tend to read het more but there a couple of fandoms where I read slash. That would one cool filter. You also forget about the threesomes and multiples that exist on other sites.

        Hmm, maybe they should have a warning box at the head of each chapter, reminding the reader of what they are reading. It should one of those boxes like the summary, where authors can put warning labels. Similar to the one on aff.net but exactly. Maybe one should be unique to its chapter? I know that happens on AlphaGate archives for the ‘Stargate SG-1′ fandom.

         
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 7:14 pm

        actually, I’m writing a story with het yuri and yaoi, putting the three genres in a story is hard and i wasted a lot of space in the summary :/

         
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 7:16 pm

        That’s why I don’t do warnings for certain pairing types; saying “Warning: slash” makes me think there’s something wrong with it. So I put warnings for violence, drug use, dark themes, and other such stuff, though I have joked a couple times and put “warning: relationships.” I find that people will complain, but honestly, look at how these responses are forming; it doesn’t take much to find complaints :)

         
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 7:21 pm

        Well, writing “warning” semms more educated than writing “don’t like; do’t read”
        But, actually, I write something like “This story contains yaoi/yuri/incest(I hate incest, this is just an example)/rape(I know FFN doesn’t allow it, but I write it in other sites)/violence/torture if this offends you don’t read.”

         
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 7:24 pm

        Mmm, a couple of those make sense, especially with the incest and rape warnings. But I go into many stories and don’t see “warning, heterosexual relationships.” I can usually cover many bases by just saying there might be offensive content not recommended for either a certain age or if it’s specific against religious beliefs (and wow, have I had that problem in my writing before!) That’s why the combination of rating and then just general content warning suits me well enough without getting to specific (which I find can ruin a good suspense building too…)

         
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 7:28 pm

        Yeah, but in one of my fandoms (k-on!) people freaks out if they find a het story, I was going to give surprise yuri, but I couldn’t because I got flamed, so I just wrote the pairings in the summary. and added the warning.

         
  27. herby

    07/15/2012 at 4:17 pm

    To start I am a reader not a writer…but I have read over 1,000 stories all over 100,000 words. I also mostly read stories that are complete, this helps weed out some of the stories that might be of…lesser quality.

    That said I really like the new “sort-by” options because what you writers need to understand is that if you have a story that is not and it does not have many reviews, favorites, or follows then there is a reason why. There are so many reasons that could cause this…very bad grammar, writing that is hard to understand, characters that are written poorly, plots that are just plan ridiculous (once I stopped reading because 8 out of 10 chapters the author demanded that he must get a set number of reviews or he would not post the next chapter) etc, etc. Writers look at is like this would you read a book that was 250,000 words if it only had 6 follows and 12 reviews?

    For four’ish years once a month I have been emailing the ff support people asking for the option to “sort-by” word count option. I know that not everyone would use that option but I know that some people would like it and they have the option in some areas like user favs and C2s.

     
    • Izraill

      07/15/2012 at 6:47 pm

      I disagree with you, the new sort-by option actually noesn’t change anything, for me the site is the same as before, the smart people will read for the content and not for the numbers, so it’s not important, I like the options because, in some fandoms, the stories with more reviews are the worst stories so I can avoid reading them. and the ones with less reviews are the best.

       
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 7:03 pm

        Good points on both of you. I often check word-count against review amount, so seeing people who add it to favourites and alerts as well helps me see a better picture of the story. I will also read some reviews to see what other readers are saying about the story, and if I know the reviewer’s usual taste in fiction beforehand, it helps me. I think nothing much has changed since adding this new feature of seeing favourites and alerts, because it just gives a person more information to work with on choosing stories. And I will at least look into the story of a writer I have never read, before deciding if it’s worth reading or not.

        Use your brains people! Gah!

         
      • herby

        07/15/2012 at 11:39 pm

        LOL…really man? Are you sure? That sounds odd to me…but I will be open minded about this. Find me just 1 story in HP fandom that has under 50 reviews and followers , is over 100k words but is really a good read…

        In fact can anyone give me a story like this? To me if a story has 1 follower and another has 39473847 followers then that means that more people like that story thus a better product. Mind you this is not a fool proof “formula” to use but is is better then going by the summery of a story because face it some great stories have bad to no summaries.

         
      • Izraill

        07/16/2012 at 7:54 am

        Herby, I said SOME fandoms, not all of them, go and read EVERY fandom on FFN and come back here telling us what you’ve seen, the book section is fine, but in the anime/manga section there are too many flames, and when someone flames everyone flames more, or answers, thus the review page gets filled up with a discussion. (otakus know what I mean)

         
    • lord_spyridon

      07/15/2012 at 7:01 pm

      I have to agree with Izraill. I know that some of the highly review/faved/followed stories tend not to be the best of quality but rather those with the same of mind. In the ‘Harry Potter’ fandom, those who tend to bash characters get highly reviewed because they bash character. I don’t like these stories and tend to skip over them. I’m not saying that all stories that are reviewed follow along the same lines, There are some great stories in all categories that are popular due to their level of quality and plot but it’s not the case every time.

      Having a button for recs will get rid of the need for sorting by review/follows/favs.

       
    • Lady Heliotrope

      07/16/2012 at 2:02 pm

      Hi, Herby!

      I disagree with you on this point: “if you have a story that is not and it does not have many reviews, favorites, or follows then there is a reason why.”

      That is a huge generalization to make. For myself, I have a relatively limited audience, but my few dedicated readers are educated individuals with superb taste.

      Every user has a palette of strengths and weaknesses, and the amount of each is variable. My skill is in writing, not in promoting my work. I’ve submitted my work a few key places within the fandom (LJ and Tumblr and such), but my fandom itself (Sherlock BBC) is simply not as hot as it was back six months ago. That contributes to lack of reviews.

      Also, sometimes my subject matter, if it isn’t fluff, doesn’t engage people very quickly. Fluff is like kindling – it’s good to get a fire going. But I don’t want to necessarily WRITE fluff.

      That being said, I don’t write what I know people won’t enjoy. People aren’t much interested in reading poetry, for example, no matter how good it is. (I’ve since moved away from that mostly for that reason.) Still doesn’t do a whole lot for my review count, save on a few select stories.

      Also, I don’t have time to do much in the way of WIPs. THOSE get peoples’ attention like nothing else. Because I primarily do Oneshots, I suffer. My choice of medium and the restrictions associated with said medium shouldn’t be a determinant of my work’s quality.

      So anyway, saying “there is a reason why” ignores a whole host of issues that could be smoothed out with further developments.

      To said developers: thank you for being active and considering all these issues! I’ve been around on FFN for literally half my life, and it’s been deeply influential in my growth and development as a human being.

       
  28. lord_spyridon

    07/15/2012 at 6:49 pm

    I still believe that having a recommendation button will make the sort by reviews, favorites, and alerts useless. If you can give each user one rec per story, you can put all stories regardless of chapter size on an even keel and without making the favs/followers out in the public. But you should also put an option to remove the rec.

    I saw that some people wrote that it would put older stories at a disadvantage. I disagree. There are some fans who have been here with their fav fandoms launch and have recommended the older stories to new fans. I know this happens a lot in ‘The Fast and Furious’ and ‘Harry Potter’ through their communities on livejournal. In some places, a few of the older stories are deemed classics and other fandoms have their Golden/Silver/whatever Ages with certain stories that represent the quality of that Age.

    Maybe this can help when you purge old stories from the site. You can have like an archive of the highest recced stories for future users. Which has problems of its own now that I think about it.

    I was thinking, Xing, if maybe you should have a blog page for each thing that you are working on. That way, you can have some feedback from those who might oppose it as they’ll know that you’re working on something they disagree with. Hopefully that way you don’t work on something that you might have to undo later. Less work, I think. It would also help us to know which things you’re working on so some people don’t jump on your back.

    Asfor the series links that I proposed earlier, I was thinking about it and maybe you can put it between the summary and the other stats on its own line. Kind of like:
    Story title by author
    Summary
    Series link: series name 1st of # stories or N/A
    Other stats:

    if you do this, you might have to have the option for authors to shuffle around stories. I know one author has like 20+ stories and she writes them out of order when it comes to her.

    Do you know if TPTB are willing to have an adult version of fanfiction.net set up so we can have a place for the graphic M-Rated stories and above that has the full capabilities of ff.net? I know adultfanfiction.net was set up to cover the bases this website doesn’t but frankly, the organization over there isn’t up to par with ff.net though they try their hardest. AO3 has also seen an influx of new users with the ban but their organization in regards to character and filters have my eyes crossing. I think I’ll eventually get used it like I did with LiveJournal. I find myself using my LJ more once you began enforcing the ban. Thankfully, I followed the rules as much as I could considering the TOS at times is very vague in its description.

    I was also talking with another friend and they brought up a good regarding the fics. I know a couple of my favorites are song fics but considering the lyrics of the songs are on lyrics sites, I don’t see a problem with the copyright since the author made sure he covered who did what and where the song came from. He even had the songwriters and the date it was released besides the artist and company.

    Maybe there should be an example for the M-Rated stories. How far can you go in description before it’s conidered NC-17? Another friend was confused as the stories she thought were T-rated based on the scene description was considered M-Rated under your description.

    I’m just talking, aren’t I?

     
    • lord_spyridon

      07/15/2012 at 6:57 pm

      Maybe I should write this in word and post it like a day later.

      it might help to have a status for those who have abandoned or placed their stories on hiatus. There are quite a few stories that have a new chapter updated to inform readers that the story has been abandoned or placed on hiatus. Maybe you can have an alert placed on when they change status so the readers can know instead of having to check themselves.

      On the story alerts page in author accounts, you should have a column to show the story status. I sometimes forget to remove a story after it’s been completed so I find myself to having to go through and click the stories to find out which ones have been completed and remove them. I know other people forget to do that after I’ve completed a story to remove mine. I tend to find myself emailing them to clean their pages.

      Need some filters that exclude things, especially when you are looking for stories that have no specific characters listed for A or B but yet you have to wade through all the other stories that have a list one character listed. You lose those stories among the other ones. Maybe having a filter in the character a/b filters titled None to actually search for those types of stories.

       
    • Guest

      07/15/2012 at 8:06 pm

      “Maybe this can help when you purge old stories from the site.”

      Huh? Did I miss something? I wasn’t aware FFN purges old stories and I hope it’s a practice they never start. There are many older works I greatly enjoy and read on a semi-regular basis. The authors are no longer active, but that’s no reason to purge them.

       
      • lord_spyridon

        07/15/2012 at 9:11 pm

        it takes years to purge like over a decade. I had continually read a story that was abandoned and it was up there for years before it suddenly disappeared. I think that ff.net has some form of system that gets read of accounts that are no longer being used but like LiveJournal, it takes forever.

         
    • Xing

      07/15/2012 at 9:20 pm

      There is no purge system on FP or FF for old accounts or old stories.

       
      • Guest

        07/15/2012 at 10:09 pm

        Thank you, Xing, for the clarification. :) It’s good to know the older stories stay put unless the author decides to remove them.

         
  29. Honor

    07/15/2012 at 6:52 pm

    I see that a lot of people dislike the favorites and follows counter that is now available. What I want to know is why is it such a big deal? Popularity of a story is not a big deal. It could have a ton of favorites and follows and be utter crap! I honestly thought that the purpose of fanfiction.net and fictionpress were to get your stories out there so that people could read and review and help you improve your writing through feedback! What does it matter if your story doesn’t have that many people reading it?

     
    • Izraill

      07/15/2012 at 6:58 pm

      Exactly, just like I said before, youtube and deviantart search results are sorted in popularity order by default and the new users are seen. We only complain because the feature was not here before, THERE’S NO FRICKING DIFFERENCE. The site is exactly the same thing, it’s like taking a chocolate chip cookie and complaining because someone added more chips and tastes a little different.

       
      • Honor

        07/15/2012 at 7:05 pm

        although, when I am looking for a universe under, let’s say… book, I don’t really like that I have to click on filter all in order to get them in alphabetical order. But then again, it’s not the end of the world.

         
    • ShikiKira

      07/16/2012 at 2:04 am

      Popularity may not be a big deal, but there are plenty of authors who do not want others knowing about the statistics of their stories. Some of us feel that it is a private matter that no one but the authors have any business with. Even if we do want to get our works out there for others to see, the revelation of our story statistics feels like an invasion of privacy.

       
  30. Izraill

    07/15/2012 at 7:03 pm

    There’s still another sorting option the site needs, in characters it would be better if we could select more characters then those in the canon, just 1 more option: OC.
    ya know, like in : “characters: Konata I. & OC” that would help waste less space in the summary writing “Warning: OC”

     
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 7:07 pm

      Thank you, I think I was mentioning something like that earlier today. I rather avoid OC characters, so being able to filter out those certain stories.

       
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 7:11 pm

        lol, yeah, i just noticed some people with different opinions can want the same thing, you want the feature because you don’t like OCs, and I want it because I love them, so everyone would love the feature come on FFN, make it happen.

         
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 7:13 pm

        To each their own, I say :P

        But that’s how it works. The same updates can be used in many different ways, and it takes the individual preference to figure out how one would like to use it. You get your OC’s, I get to avoid them :)

         
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 7:17 pm

        Yeah, its the “ying-yang” or “balance” stuff. I wish all the OC writers/lovers and OC dislikers/haters worked togheter to get this feature.

         
      • kat

        07/15/2012 at 7:27 pm

        There’s one in Harry Potter. You can suggest OC as a category the way you suggest characters.

         
    • tiquatue

      07/15/2012 at 8:14 pm

      The problem with putting in something like OC (or even het/slash/gen) is getting authors to add that to their fics. My fandom had a “world” filter put in, dividing the stories into TV or Movie. Problem is, a lot of the older fics (which would all be TV) are by authors no longer interested in fanfiction. They don’t come to the site, so they have no idea this even exists. It’s not something that ff.net can do retroactively for those stories.

      By contrast, the faves/follows data is generated by the site itself. So it doesn’t matter if the authors are still visiting the site or not. They’re easily included in that particular sorting method.

       
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 8:18 pm

        Um, well, obviously that would be only for the newer stories of active users, so the other ones would stay in “none” or “general”

         
      • ALT

        07/15/2012 at 8:19 pm

        Very true, but giving the option for active writers can help start the process now. There are crossovers that never were changed over because the writer is no longer active; they’re still right where they were back before crossover categories were implemented. And it isn’t FF.NET’s responsibility to retroactive, and many might ignore it, but that’s the writer’s responsibility. having the option can still be useful for current writers, and their readers in turn.

         
  31. Izraill

    07/15/2012 at 7:25 pm

    off-topic, but I still want the translators section, if the beta-readers have our own section, as a translator I think we deserve it, we do as much work as the beta’s do. Please FFN, it’s not that hard. D:

     
  32. kat

    07/15/2012 at 7:31 pm

    Can we make clickable links again?
    Or could you at least add the homepage and forum links back. I favorited a couple of authors so I could easily get to their forums, but then the clickable forum button was gone, and I assumed they deleted it. I even forgot that I had a forum!
    Also, I think we should be able to delete Communities.

     
  33. ALT

    07/15/2012 at 7:35 pm

    I have a suggestion, Xing.

    Is there a way to add a sorting in the World dropbox that is “Alternate Universe”? I know, in some fandoms at least on FF.NET, there is “pre-” “book” “movie” and other such things. I was wondering if an Alternate Universe option could be added for those who would like to find them much easier.

    Thank you!

     
    • Izraill

      07/15/2012 at 7:37 pm

      I’ve seen that on other sites and it works good :)

       
  34. Ofunu

    07/15/2012 at 7:35 pm

    There seems to be a problem with the filtering in the crossover sections. Every time I press the ‘go’ button, or press enter, all the fields go back to their default value, thus it’s impossible to filter the stories at all.

     
  35. Sariniste

    07/15/2012 at 8:10 pm

    Xing, I just wanted to say thank you for all the new sorting options. I think with the new time ranges for update date and publish date you’ve met a number of user requests, such as being able to look for new one-shots.

    I LOVE being able to sort by reviews, faves, and follows. I’ve found myself clicking on the fave and follow button for other authors more as well, as now I think it matters more to them.

    I know I’ve done a LOT more reading than usual lately and readership generally seems to be up as I’m getting more responses to my stories as well.

    So thank you for making fanfiction.net better!

     
  36. angrymuffin

    07/15/2012 at 8:16 pm

    When it comes to reviewing I’m sure all of us have done this at some point–mess up and wish you could fix it. If you leave a review with constructive criticism, there’s nothing worse than messing up, especially after you point out to an author the story’s mistakes for spelling and grammar. What I am suggesting is an edit button so that we can go back and edit our mistakes. I think FFN would benefit greatly from it.

     
  37. Izraill

    07/15/2012 at 8:23 pm

    Question: is writing a song lyrics in a story against the rules?
    Question 2: Writing my own translation of a song in another language is against the rules?

     
    • lord_spyridon

      07/15/2012 at 10:37 pm

      Technically, song fics are against the rules since the lyrics are owned by their songwriters, artists, record companies, etc. It’s somewhere in the TOS under content I think.

      But there exist many song fics on the site due to the fact that most authors feel such a rule is pointless since the lyrics exist on public sites across the internet which makes it easily accessible. I would keep the actual lyrics out of the story unless it’s actually incorporated into the story like where a character is actually singing out. I know quite a few just quote a bit of the song at the start of the chapter as that’s the inspiration or song listing for that chapter.

      I hope I didn’t confuse you further.

       
      • Izraill

        07/16/2012 at 7:50 am

        Actually in my story most of the characters will sing a song at some moment, and I do not want to break the rules, I hope writing the lyrics isn’t a problem, because I might get flamed for it : S.

         
  38. John

    07/15/2012 at 8:44 pm

    Add and OC option for the dropboxes. Personally, I like reading stories with original characters, so it’s annoying when I try to find a story based around an original character.
    Also, just like having a way to focus on one category, can you add something to exclude certain categories? Humour is my favourite genre to read, and romance is one that I despise. Those two are always paired together. Having a way to exclude certain genres will save people the trouble of sorting through those types of stories.

     
  39. RainLily13

    07/15/2012 at 8:49 pm

    I love the new sorting features. Sometimes, I just really want to read a great, long story, old or new, and I always wished sorting through reviews was possible. And now it is! It makes sifting through to find a good read much easier.
    The time range sorting features are a great add – especially if you’re a long-time FF member and you’ve read a lot of the old stories.
    The crossover sorting features have some kinks though. It keeps defaulting to the normal settings. :/
    As for suggestions…
    Clickable links on profiles would be nice – I missed those. Maybe at least allowing in-site links to be clickable if spamming is still a concern?
    Maybe a ’rate my story’ feature? Five stars, four stars, and such. It might appease some against the ’sort by review’ feature: in case a story has a lot of chapters, and therefore a lot of reviews, a number of ’stars’ filter in addition to the reviews or even alone might help balance things a little.
    I read in another post about an option to say that a story is ongoing, on hiatus, abandoned, or maybe even up for adoption, and to be able filter by that? That would be nice to have.

     
  40. herby

    07/15/2012 at 9:21 pm

    Still what ever happens I still would love a sort-by wordcount….in four years of emails I have never once even had a one word reply from support, would be nice to know that some one at least read my request aemail and just did not like it…

     
  41. cmcwiki

    07/15/2012 at 9:21 pm

    I just had a great idea regarding image manager, image manager for chapters. It would be optional but for stories that would use this feature, at the top of the page, before any text, you would see the chapter cover and scroll down to see the rest of the chapter. thoughts?

    and an image drop box for fan art done by readers! i think that authors would appreciate it and would even feature the picture as a cover. again thoughts?

     
    • Izraill

      07/15/2012 at 9:25 pm

      This is fanfiction not deviantart -.-

       
      • cmcwiki

        07/15/2012 at 9:29 pm

        yeah but authors are unable to post links or url scripts in stories so they can’t tell you where to find it.

         
      • Izraill

        07/15/2012 at 9:31 pm

        well, maybe being able to add links (even if they’re not clickable) would be a good idea, or having the chance to see a cover in full size, but keeping this as a stories site, not a picture site.

         
      • lord_spyridon

        07/15/2012 at 10:32 pm

        I know aff.net has spaces in the social media page. They have this box where you can type followed by .livejournal.com or whatever the rest of the url is. So if you’re username is quarter_mile, you type in the username as it shows in the LJ url so it you can fill it out. The profile brings it up as a link to your LJ.

        Doing roughly the same thing can allow people to have direct links to other websites while at the same allowing ff.net to control what links people can do.

        Here are some of the other major sites, we tend to use. I’m sure there are more sites I don’t know about. These are sites that just pop off of my head.

        Site name followed by basic url
        adultfanfiction.net :: http://members.adultfanfiction.net/profile.php?no=xxxx (I think this is the base url)
        Archive of Our Own (AO3) :: http://archiveofourown.org/users/xxxx
        Blog Spot :: xxxx.blogspot.com
        Deadjournal :: xxxx.deadjournal.com
        DeviantART :: xxxx.deviantart.com/
        Dreamwidth :: xxxx.dreamwidth.org
        Ficwad :: http://www.ficwad.com/author/xxxx
        Insanejournal :: xxxx.insanejournal.com
        Livejournal :: xxxx.livejournal.com

        Just have them replace the xxxx with their UserID and voila. Readers can go to their sites and have a look around.

        Anybody else have any other popular social media? I’m not sure if we should include facebook, twitter, skype, etc. That seems a little too personal for my tastes.

         
    • ALT

      07/15/2012 at 9:25 pm

      I don’t know if I agree with each of those, but with the ability to provide links in the profile, it is harder to share fanart for certain stories than it was before. What I would like to see with the story covers is being able to click on the image to enlarge it. I can’t see my own work! By being able to open a viewing window where the artwork is at the original size or at least a larger version of it, would be rather nice. And I only cringe at the thought of chapter-covers because I’m a writer for a reason (i.e. I make pencils edge away from me slowly when I think of drawing something, haha!)

       
  42. luke

    07/15/2012 at 10:23 pm

    i am having trouble getting M rated twilight/harry potter stories if anyone can help me fix it

    thank you

     
    • Xing

      07/15/2012 at 10:33 pm

      There is a current a bug affecting the crossover filters and will be fixed in our next code push which is in a few hours.

       
      • herby

        07/15/2012 at 11:57 pm

        I can not wait to see the next push…
        *cough*new-sort-by-word-count*cough*

        One thing I was thinking about was type of ships. People use ships for many different types love, mentor, parents, etc. Think of it this way, How many times have you read a HP&SS story hoping to find a mentor pairing but it turns out that it is a story where Snape and a 13 year old Harry are in love. There have been many stories that I have started only to find out it is a slash.

        If a stories focus is ships then we readers have to Right to know if it is het or slash before spending 6 hours reading a story.

         
  43. Elim Garak gifts Julian Bashir with a fine new suit

    07/16/2012 at 12:16 am

    Ok, I just want to say that I hate the new popular filter…. But now, thanks to it, I know where to go when I get the urge to feel like you-now-what . Thanks for unchecking the boxes FF.net. PLEASE stop at that for God’s sakes! Well, unless you want to fix the fact that I can only choose from three photos at a time for my covers. I can upload ten but only the first three show up in the pop-up box when I go to upload them. Has anyone else had this problem or is it just my fate?

     
  44. Lisa

    07/16/2012 at 3:54 am

    I’m still not a fan of the faves and follows being visible (although I would never leave the site for something minor as that), but I love the new time range feature. It’s easier for me to find newly uploaded stories like this, and in a way, this also kind of counter-acts the follows and faves, because it’s now very easy to find new stories. Also, thank you for listening to the comments here and unchecking the boxes. Saves some time when reviewing.

    I can’t say much about the community changes since I don’t have a community and I don’t visit them, but am I the only one who likes the new color at the sides? Not sure why, but the beige is a lot better than the white was.

    Not sure if this is an error at your side or a choice, but I agree with some people: the sidebar in the account screen became a bit too big. If it was something that was requested by others, could there be an option to change it back to its original size?

     
  45. Lisa

    07/16/2012 at 4:29 am

    Please, PLEASE change the horizontal break line back to the way it was. I don’t understand why you’d change it so it’s more difficult to see. The faded points at either end don’t help, either. It was neat and clean and functional before, now it’s just a distraction. Please :(

     
    • Izraill

      07/16/2012 at 7:43 am

      I agree, the break-line can’t be used for splitting the story into “scenes” now.

       
  46. konarciq

    07/16/2012 at 4:49 am

    “Sometimes when we introduce a new feature (faves and follows public + sorting), it may be designed for a certain group of users. In this case, the sorting options are designed for and much requested by readers. Giving readers more choices is always a good thing for the authors in the long run.”

    Xing, I fully understand this from the readers’ point of view, as well as yours. The point is, that because this particular feature didn’t exist on the site, the people who object to it never had an incentive to tell you how much they preferred *not* to have a feature like this.

    Now that we do have that incentive and make our objections known to you (and quite a lot of people seem to take the trouble to do so), can you at least promise us that the ffnet administration is willing to weigh our arguments against those of the people who requested this feature?

    Giving readers more choices is one thing, but when authors feel that these choices are unfair (several different unfairnesses have been clearly pointed out in the other thread), then perhaps it might be good to look at the whole picture once more, taking into account the arguments of both sides this time.

    Meanwhile, I thank you very very much for not having the fave and follow boxes ticked by default anymore!!!
    And I like the time range sorting option, but I agree it would be good to have one more option included: 3 days.

     
    • ALT

      07/16/2012 at 5:34 am

      There were several days before they made the change where people have been suggesting it. If they must wait for change to protest against it, I find it hard to weigh their words as easily as others. There was opportunity to do so before the change was made, and no matter what happens from this point people will be disappointed. If the change is reversed, those who were pleased will be disappointed. If not, then the people who don’t like the change will be disappointed. It’s a lose-lose either way, so why change it back?

       
    • herby

      07/16/2012 at 12:23 pm

      Most of the people about this blog I would think are writers not readers and I would go as far as saying that most all readers do not know or follow this blog so it is not really a good example of “what the people want”. I just found this blog yesterday and I have been a member for 4 years.

      What they could do is make a PM to send to Everyone that has a poll, that… crap that would not work because I would bet that alot of people are like me and do not even login most of the time. I come to FF to read good stories and that does not require me to login so I do not.

      SIDE NOTE: IS it just me or does this blog “run” very very slow…when I scroll there is a massive delay and a even greater one when I type I have to type one word then wait 2-4 seconds before it shows up. It is only this blog not the net and it is not the that makes the problem because I go to blogs that are much longer this this.

       
      • alixe75

        07/16/2012 at 12:48 pm

        @Herby : most of writers are readers too..
        And the blog is a week old, so you don’t need so much time to find it…

         
      • Izraill

        07/16/2012 at 1:45 pm

        Well, I’m a writer and I’m not really a reader, I only read sometimes (Actually, I haven’t used the new sorting options yet) but the readers actuelly wanted this feature, and the only thing FFN/FP got was all the writers complaining in this blog, maybe we need a more organized way to discuss about this, something like “readers vs writers”.

        SIDE NOTE: the blog loads pretty fast on my latop, I use Windows xp and google chrome.

         
  47. clio

    07/16/2012 at 5:22 am

    In regard to width display, I preferred the previous version, where the text part was centred. Nowadays, most of displays are widescreen, and it’s easier to read any text when it’s not as wide as display itself. I hope you will return to previous settings.

     
  48. konarciq

    07/16/2012 at 6:06 am

    They may have been asking for it and suggesting it a few days earlier (and possibly in emails to which of course we are not privy), but in reply to someone’s direct question, Xing said explicitly that there would be *no rating system* for the stories on ffnet. And that’s exactly what making the favs and follows public does: making it into a rating system.

    And I know that people who are *against* something have a tendency to speak up louder than those who support that same thing – that can be observed wherever you go.

    But it’s also quite common that something looks like a good idea at first, yet when users of the feature point out its flaws, one realizes there were issues with it that were originally overlooked.

    All I’m asking for now is that they reconsider the thing with both its ups and its downs now that it’s clear there is a sizeable objection to this new feature as well – objection with arguments they may have overlooked when originally introducing the feature at the request of other users.

    Or else give authors the option of opting out of having their favs and follows shown on the story page. Since that would mean their work would not be included in ‘sorting by favs/follows’, that may cost them a few readers, yes, but at least it’d be their own choice. With so many people being *unhappy* with this new feature, such an opt-out option might just be one way to go to make everyone reasonably happy. Instead of one group very happy and the other not happy at all.

     
    • alixe75

      07/16/2012 at 6:29 am

      Even before the enforcement of the new sort, some people said they were against it, and why. It had never been a consensual suggestion.

       
      • herby

        07/16/2012 at 12:27 pm

        nothing on the web EVER is …

         
    • Sariniste

      07/16/2012 at 6:43 am

      A sizeable group of people love having the faves and follows visible. Those who complain have just been more vocal. I have been wishing for faves and follows to be made public on fanfiction.net for years. In almost every other site on the web today, you can see information like that (e.g. ‘likes’ on facebook, ‘pageviews’ and ‘faves’ on deviantArt, etc.). This change just brings fanfiction.net in line with other similar fanwork sites.

      It’s generally true that when a change is made to a site, people complain.

       
      • alixe75

        07/16/2012 at 7:31 am

        You can appreciate the new sort without pretend that people wich don’t agree just complain because it is new. Everyone did not wait for the enforcement of this sort to think that his absence was a good thing, compared to other sites.

        This new feature has advantages and disadvantages and it is running out of respects to those who are against to suggest that this is just because it is new or pretended they are more vocal. There are real arguments AGAINST and although there are some who are for, others are not less important.

         
      • Izraill

        07/16/2012 at 7:41 am

        alixe, remember when youtube removed the star rating system? EVERYONE complained because it was a change, but now everyone is okay with it, even those guys who said “i won’t upload videos if the stars don’t come back” This is THE SAME THING, everyone complains, but later everyone forgets about it and the sites work perfectly.

         
      • Izraill

        07/16/2012 at 7:31 am

        Cool, finally someone who knows why the people is complaining.

         
      • alixe75

        07/16/2012 at 8:12 am

        Izraill: no, I’m not going to say I’m leaving the site because this change does not please me. But I think it is important that the reasons why some are against can be said here.

        For starters, this change will really bring a kind of competition between the authors … It’s too bad (yes, who will not look if he has gained or lost ground?)

        Then it really disadvantage the authors a bit atypical, which will have even more trouble finding their readers. And the popular authors will be on-advantaged because they will get new readers.

        In addition, the stories are often popular because of the themes that appeal (please see the results of Harry Potter : slash with a lot of lemons in the first position, at least in French). These stories are not necessarily worse than others, but are no better either.

        Then people are often influenced by the first stories we read. So that advantage yet the themes popular with new writers, who will write with this influence, at the expense of diversity (in itself, no subject is as worse or better than another, it is uniformity that ‘m bored).

        Thus forcing the reader to delve into the pages (even looking for stories with the most reviews) had the advantage of reading summaries and do click on stories with an interesting subject to the reader.

        Fanfiction.net is still a great site, but I fear that we go to less diversity and a spirit more ‘commercial’ for authors.

        … Obviously, I hope I’m wrong ^ ^

        PS : I understand the desire of readers to be routed to the best stories of the site to begin. I too am a reader. But there are other way to get there, recommendation lists, for example

         
      • Izraill

        07/16/2012 at 8:22 am

        Alixe: first, I am going to say I’m not a reader, I read sometimes a few stories, but most of the time i spend in the site is as an author.

        the new readers eventually will learn that not always the most reviewed/faved/followed stories are the best, the new readers will always be read, the world is not over.

         
      • alixe75

        07/16/2012 at 8:34 am

        Hope so !

         
    • m

      07/17/2012 at 2:09 pm

      I think that most people who are uncomfortable with the recent updates were unaware that this was coming, so it isn’t fair to say “you should have spoken up before”. I think that the majority of people who are using this new feature are readers, not writers, but that’s just a guess. I think that most WRITERS know that this feature is often inaccurate and also unfair.

       
  49. Gustav

    07/16/2012 at 7:20 am

    The problem of “Het / Gen / Slash”

    For this to be done right, IMHO, some examples and instruction for the authors would be needed.

    Just like in the real world some fanfiction worlds (stories) have slash relationships that are not between the main protagonists. In this occurrence should the story be marked as “Slash” ?

    Lets take an example from the HP fandom. If a story is focused on HP and Hermione and there is a relationship between Draco/Goyle “offscreen” the the story should be classified as “HET”.

    In this example there is a slash relationship, it is mentioned and talked about in the story but since it isn’t about the main protagonists and “offscreen” it shouldn’t need to be classified as slash.

    The thing I want to avoid is that authors will classify their work as “slash” just because there are characters that have this relationship.

    This is why I think that a change like this must be preceeded by much thought both in the design, instruction to authors and the sorting options (should it be possible to chose to only display slash, display anything but slash or any option thereof).

    So Xing – if this is something that you want to implement would i be possible to have a mini RFC regarding this – and after that see what is technically possible within the FFN/FP framework?

     
    • Izraill

      07/16/2012 at 7:58 am

      mmm…. I think I know what you mean, I’m writing a story in wich the main characters will in het, yuri and yaoi/slash relationships, so I don’t know what would happen with stories like that, I guess they will be shown in all the categories with a warning, but it still confuses me a bit.

      However, I still want that feature.

       
  50. Halimede

    07/16/2012 at 7:32 am

    Could it be possible to add more options to the “Length” story sorting option? There are countless stories with word lengths that greatly exceed 100k words. A complete story of 100k words is worlds away from a complete story of say 400k words.

     
    • herby

      07/16/2012 at 12:46 pm

      I have sent about 20 emails in 2 years to get them to add more
      1000
      25000
      50000
      100000
      250000
      500000

      you can change this number to what ever you want using the URL…
      http://www.fanfiction.net/book/Harry_Potter/3/0/0/1/100/0/0/0/0/1/
      change the “100″ to any number 234 would show only stores with over 234,000 words.

       
      • Halimede

        07/16/2012 at 3:31 pm

        Thanks! Can’t believe I never realized that. Interesting fact.

         

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