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7/24 Bump Spamming

23 Jul

Changes

  1. To minimize bump spamming, the act of removing/adding chapter to bump up your story on the listings, we will not modify a story’s last updated time-stamp if the same chapter has been removed and added over a certain time period.
  2. To minimize alert spamming/duplicates from authors, we only send out one alert per chapter per story over a certain time period. If you submit a new chapter, a new alert is sent out to your followers. If you delete this chapter the next minute and re-submit the chapter, no alert will be sent out.

Fixed

  1. Firefox browser issues with the display of login area left navigation bar.
  2. Firefox browser might not allow new chapter addition if you just deleted the same chapter.
 
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37 responses to “7/24 Bump Spamming

  1. MMC

    07/23/2012 at 11:30 pm

    Thank you for doing both changes listed! Now I won’t get false alarms for new chapters of a story when, really, all the author did was ‘bump’ it. I didn’t know that was possible until I saw it happen a few times. Thank you for fixing that! :)

     
    • myrddinlefay

      07/25/2012 at 4:15 am

      I never realised that’s what they were doing. I just thought they were stupid and didn’t know how to use the replace button.

       
  2. Guest

    07/23/2012 at 11:38 pm

    Thanks! On occasion, I’ve received multiple alerts for the same chapter several hours/days apart. Always thought it was some sort of glitch. I wasn’t aware authors were ‘bumping’ a story.

     
  3. Erin Alexis

    07/24/2012 at 12:38 am

    Thank you!

     
  4. Estelli

    07/24/2012 at 3:02 am

    Awesome! I’ve never seen this happen in my fandom though I fully know it could happen. Thank you!

     
  5. konarciq

    07/24/2012 at 5:39 am

    Thank you! It’s useful in any case, though I can promise you it’s not always done with the intent to bump up a story. I’ve once had my first reviewer mistakenly leave a review for someone else’s story with my story. Don’t ask me how she did it, but the only way to fix it was to take down the story and reupload it again :-)

     
    • yemi hikari

      07/24/2012 at 9:43 am

      I’ve actually done this once, but both stories were by the same writer. And I wasn’t the first reviewer.

       
  6. Mayumi-H

    07/24/2012 at 6:37 am

    Thanks for taking care of this one. It’s annoying when authors don’t realize they’re spamming Inboxes this way, when the more conscientious action is to Export the chapter in question, make changes in the Document Manager, and then Replace the chapter with the appropriate file.

     
  7. yemi hikari

    07/24/2012 at 9:41 am

    Thank you. I haven’t seen people purposefully trying to bump up their stories, but some of the younger/newer writers I’ve critiqued have come up with a better version of their later chapters because of the critique I left and instead of using the chapter replace system like they’re supposed to (they’re still learning to use the site) they delete and add the chapter again.

     
  8. Kiki

    07/24/2012 at 11:54 am

    Thank you for this! We have authors in the fandoms I read in pull this stunt, just to move their stories to the top of the page in an attempt to dominate the fandom and hijack readers. They do it whenever someone else updates/posts new, very annoying for the rest of the fandom to have to deal with such site hogs. So this is a fix that is much appreciated!

     
  9. Lorraine

    07/24/2012 at 1:57 pm

    “we only send out one alert per chapter per story over a certain time period.”
    What time period is this? Is it one minute? Longer?

     
    • Xing

      07/24/2012 at 11:10 pm

      To avoid gaming the system we do not reveal the “time period” as it can also change. But it is much longer than one minute.

       
      • yemi hikari

        07/24/2012 at 11:33 pm

        So the “time period” is going to vary each and every time or it is going to change every so often so people can’t figure out the length of time needed to wait in order to beat the system. Cool.

         
      • Lorraine

        07/25/2012 at 1:53 am

        This is problematic, as I often post multiple chapters of a work on the same day, with breaks of a few hours between them. I want my readers to know that I’ve posted more than one chapter, but I don’t want to either post them all at once so that by the time someone’s read the first, the next will be up, or wait a day or more to post the next.

         
      • yemi hikari

        07/25/2012 at 6:04 pm

        @ Lorraine – Don’t worry… this only effects stories on an individual story basis from what I’ve read.

         
  10. RWFF

    07/24/2012 at 7:11 pm

    I’ve seen some purposely bump and in a smaller fandom it is more noticable. A larger fandom you wouldn’t notice it as much unless you have the story/author on alert. I can see a new writer not knowing how to replace a chapter with a corrected one, but I’ve seen seasoned writers pulling this garbage of pull and replace the last chapter just to bump themselves back up to the top. It’s frustrating as a writer to post only to have something that has already been previously posted bump you down. We all take our chances when we post, meaning we have no idea if many others will update or post after we do. IMO it normally is weaker writers that resort to this nonsense.

     
    • yemi hikari

      07/24/2012 at 11:32 pm

      It is particularly frustrating for writers who are already competing with the writers who update frequently. I’m actually one of the writers whose able to update frequently and thus garner plenty of attention for myself when I do update frequently so I’m possibly less worried about this, however… I also know how important having your page stay on the front page long enough to generate attention is important for those who don’t have many subscribers and are honestly trying to get feedback rather then trying to play a numbers game.

       
  11. Always a Crossover Writer

    07/25/2012 at 1:42 am

    Hey~Thanks for all of your hard work, Xing!

    Just one thing, as we’re on spamming subject, is there anything you can do about those who literally spam with a hundred fanfictions (all by the same author by the way and all ‘brand new’ works) or more than, say, five fanfictions? I had that ‘a hundred new fanfictions incident’ happened in my fandoms a few times and it was quite a nightmare.

    It was honestly not fair to others and to me too. Both readers and writers alike.

    So I was just wondering…would it be possible to temporarily stop those who kept making new fanfictions within an hour or something until say like 24 hours passed? Just a suggestion.

    Note, I’m not speaking of update, but those who like to write/spam with new works.

    I hope I make sense.

    Anyway, keep up good work, Xing.

     
    • Lorraine

      07/25/2012 at 1:56 am

      I don’t think that this is a good idea at all. I’m a very prolific writer – genuinely prolific, 5K or more per day (before editing) is my average – and often like to post multiple stories or chapters on a given day.
      Not being able to post more than once on a day seems like a punishment for people who write a lot.

       
      • Always a Crossover Writer

        07/25/2012 at 2:06 am

        But a hundred though? I had that happened a few times in my fandoms and I felt like they were literally kicking off some of the authors who could use some of the attentions themselves. :/

        Okay, I can deal with three, five, or even seven, but not so much that it filled up the page (25 fanfictions total to make a page if I counted right). That’s what I meant. I just don’t think it’s fair for the others.

        I wrote a lot too and I still do, but I at least give some respect for the other authors so they can have the attention they need. That was what I meant. *shrugs* So what’s wrong with limiting the amount of new fanfictions they can post in a day? Most likely they will have readers eagerly waiting for more works and have more benefit for them that way.

        If you don’t agree with me, that is fine. Let’s just agree to the disagree.

         
    • yemi hikari

      07/25/2012 at 6:36 pm

      I’m left wondering if that figure of someone posting a hundred brand new stories is accurate unless we’re talking about copy spam and possible plagiarism cases which are both re-portable to the site admins.

      I agree with Lorraine that this is more of a punishment then something that will help people out. Even a limit of an hour would be problematic for people who have internet only for a limited amount of time despite having a home computer. It would be problematic for people who tend to bounce around and write part of something, take a break and move onto the next before moving on and thus finish three or four chapters for different stories within a span of an hour because of it. It is also punishment for people waiting on BETAS or doing last minute checks or who’ve decided to only update at a certain time each week despite working all week on multiple pieces. Some people work better this way.

      This just wouldn’t punish the writers however but also the readers. There are plenty of fandoms out there that the readers are aching for as many updates to their fandom as possible and this would make things harder on them too. Only one writer who updates frequently, well… only expect one update per day and not always that if they’re writing for other fandoms as well. And if they’re working on multiple stories they’re going to have to pick and choose and the readers who are looking forward to stories getting updated have to wait a lot longer, right?

       
      • denise edwards

        12/29/2012 at 2:55 am

        There is a person with the pen-name of Where It Is, ID#4214941, who has over 500 stories on different ff sites and all they say is ‘OCCUPY’ repeatedly. They also list themselves as a beta and their profile makes no sense either. There are at least 10-15 of his ‘stories’ on the Criminal Minds site among others such as Harry Potter, Glee, and others. Is there a way to delete this person’s ‘stories’ and profile, as well as block them from the site? Thanks.

         
    • RWFF

      07/26/2012 at 3:23 am

      The only time I’ve seen a large number of stories posted to a realm all at once is when a writer has decided to post previously written works on ffnet that most likely were posted on a private site in the past. Unless these are very short ‘stories’ (I don’t know how a paragraph constitutes a story which I have seen writers post, drabbles not included) I can’t see how any one person can post a hundred stories at a time unless they were already written over a long period of time. I do know of a writer that pens stories that are normally under 1000 words, but she does not post them all at once. She’s written well over a hundred in the year she’s been on ffnet, several different fandoms, and they are pretty good. She doesn’t pull what you’re describing.

       
  12. ShikiKira

    07/25/2012 at 1:47 am

    Thank you for inputting this. I have had plenty of false alert for authors I read from. It’s frustrating to learn that the new chapter of a story doesn’t even exist. I hope the newer authors learn how to use the chapter replace soon.
    When can we have the links on our profiles accessible again?

     
    • Always a Crossover Writer

      07/25/2012 at 1:53 am

      I didn’t expect to see you here! It’s BP, if you remember.

      Xing said within few days, so hopefully sometime this week. I want my links back too. >.>

       
    • myrddinlefay

      07/25/2012 at 4:10 am

      I would have thought these people would learn how to use replace. I do. I have one author who removes and uploads the same chapter several times. I like to store up chapters sometimes if I don’t feel like reading for a while. And my chapter boxes can sometimes have duplicate links to the next chapter. Its annoying, and leads me to believe there are more new chapters than there are.

       
      • yemi hikari

        07/25/2012 at 6:38 pm

        Some people are simply computer illiterate. Nothing we can do about i.

         
  13. myrddinlefay

    07/25/2012 at 4:06 am

    Hey. This new thing. What’s the time limit? How long would I have to wait for it to send out another alert? I took down a story quite a while ago, but let the first chapter and have been slowly redoing them with added scenes, and re-uploading, and just making them as better as I can. They’ll still send out alerts won’t they?

     
    • Ralinde

      07/25/2012 at 4:14 am

      I think if you took it down quite some time ago, that there would not be a problem and that there would still be new alerts.

       
  14. Ralinde

    07/25/2012 at 4:12 am

    @Lorraine: There will only be one alert PER CHAPTER so that if you posted a chapter, took it down and then reposted it to bump your story, there would not be a new alert for THAT chapter. It says nowhere that you can’t post multiple chapters a day or that there will only be one alert PER STORY if you uploaded multiple chapters.

    @Always a Crossover Writer: a hundred a day? Wow that must be annoying. I suppose most of them are separate drabbles? I can totally understand where you’re coming from. There are also people who are just very productive (I know I have those days where suddenly inspiration is bursting all over the place), but I would not have a problem with a still fair amount of updates of say, 10-15 a day.

     
  15. RWFF

    07/25/2012 at 3:40 pm

    We have one writer right now in my realm who pulled all her stories several months ago and now she has started to repost them all. What irks me, is she sometimes waits and it seems (IMO) she deliberately boots others down by reposting these stories in between the updates of others. Okay, so she changed her mind and several months later she wants to repost her stories. I have an update waiting to post and I guess my take is why should her stories be allowed a ‘second chance’ while other new updates/stories suffer for that? I’d be less miffed with this writer if she posted all her stories at once and that way the rest of us with new stuff wouldn’t have to worry about her booting us down. Because I write in a smaller realm, it really isn’t necessary for writers to be pulling these types of games because your writings could sit on the first page for several days to a week.

     
  16. CBalance

    07/26/2012 at 5:45 pm

    If you’re only getting 1 alert per chapter, what happens when a author edits a chapter or replaces it ? If you’re following the story, does this mean that we won’t know that the chapter has been changed?

     
  17. Anna

    07/31/2012 at 2:04 pm

    Hi hello Xing, I just posted a new story chapter, the second chapter to a story I wrote, and I have yet to see an alert for the new chapter. An alert would usually be sent out instantly, and I’d get the alert right away that my new chapter has posted. I’ve been waiting quite a while now, and have yet to see the alert. Exactly how long do we have to wait now for the alerts to reach our readers? An hour, two, three? It seems quite a bit unfair to force alerts to hold off from being sent, until some prerequisite period of time has passed. Or is the system just not working as you thought it would? Is this a bug/a glitch? Is it *supposed* to take this long to have an alert show? Please respond.

     
    • myrddinlefay

      08/01/2012 at 4:12 am

      My alerts still go out instantly.

       
  18. mkc120

    08/16/2012 at 12:30 am

    But the other day, I replaced a chapter with a new one because I had to and all the followers didn’t get alerts AND it still said that the last time I updated was a long time ago. I think you should just change it back and make sure readers could have a ‘report this user’ button for spamming because, sometimes, an author actually has to replace a chapter and no one knows.

     
    • Myrddin

      08/17/2012 at 2:22 am

      Replacing doesn’t send out alerts anyway and never has. Bumping is when someone thinks we’re stupid (or is stupid) and uploads a chapter and then minutes/an hour or more later removes that same chapter by deleting it and then uploading it as a new chapter again.

       
  19. Starlet Smith

    12/29/2012 at 2:40 am

    I reported an abuse in the way the author “Where Is It” has written 516 stories all repeating a single word which is “OCCUPY” written in different categories from Percy Jackson and the Olympians to Sailor Moon. The stories each contain 5,085 words. I looked up the review on his stories and other people see the same thing. People previosley reported him but I do not see him stopping currently Sailor Moon fanfiction is currently getting more of his stories repeating over and over. It is very irritating to see him continuing this. Can someone please stop this, it has already been his second day at it.

     

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