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Larger Covers

03 Aug

Changes

  1. Clicking on the story cover within a story will now showcase a much larger cover image.
  2. Removed most of the underlines for site links for a much cleaner look.
  3. Tweaked forum ranking icons. The previous icons were a little too bland and a little too serious.
 
167 Comments

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167 responses to “Larger Covers

  1. Laura

    08/03/2012 at 8:06 am

    I don’t want to diss all the hard work you guys have been doing because we, as users, really appreciate it. But I liked the underlining, it helped to separate things. That’s just me though, everyone else may like the change. Thanks!

     
    • Unknown

      08/03/2012 at 9:08 am

      I miss the old icons.

       
    • Stacie

      08/03/2012 at 11:11 pm

      I agree with you i like the underline and the color change on stories that you have read

       
    • Keja-B

      08/05/2012 at 1:20 pm

      I’m missing that separation/distinction of the stories, but I’m also kind of liking the lack of underlining.

       
    • Cera Phim

      08/05/2012 at 6:34 pm

      What if, instead of using underlining for the story title, there is the faint grey line between entries?

       
  2. MyNameIsJeffNImLost

    08/03/2012 at 8:12 am

    Fantastic changes. I like the click for larger covers change a lot, and separating external links with underlines from FFnet links without is a great idea.

     
  3. AlixMM

    08/03/2012 at 8:18 am

    I too want to say thanks for all the hard work you are doing but I too liked the underlining or at least where the links I visited changed color now they don’t and it is annoying. I want to know if I had looked at the story with just a quick glance and the color changing on a link I visited helped.

     
    • AlixMM

      08/03/2012 at 8:20 am

      The links I was talking about not changing colors are the links to the story or authors page on fanfiction.net not a link to an outside page. I sure do hope this changes back to where the visited links change color.

       
      • dmn410

        08/04/2012 at 7:50 am

        I agree wholeheartedly. I used those changed colors to help identify stories that I had read. Also, you need to go back to the RSS feeds. They are NOT updated frequently enough for any possible use in the larger archives like “Harry Potter”

         
      • Ali

        08/04/2012 at 9:22 am

        there are add-ons in firefox and probably other browsers also that you can download that will change the link color, the one I am using is called Visited.

         
      • Keja-B

        08/05/2012 at 1:13 pm

        Agreed, the visited link colour needs to be changed either back to default or else something different.

         
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 3:08 pm

      Agreed. I don’t think it is an issue of browser history either as they are still in my browser history.

       
      • mnk

        08/05/2012 at 11:53 am

        It’s not an issue of browser history, it’s because someone got the bright idea to style a:visited with the same color as an unvisited link (and it sucks in my opinion too).

         
      • Cera Phim

        08/05/2012 at 1:09 pm

        I agree, I used the changing font colors to see if I’d already read the updates and now… I also checked my setting on my internet tools, until I remembered that was an option the webmaster made.

         
  4. myrddinlefay

    08/03/2012 at 8:34 am

    Will we at least sometime soon get our purple back when we click on a link so we know what we’ve clicked on? Or make it green? Or red? Or with a green, blue, red, or yellow tick next to it so we know what we’ve looked at so we don’t coincidently stumble into the same stories multiple times just months apart when we want to read something new. And it would be nice to make that apart of a persons account so if they get a new computer or use a different computer, as long as they’re signed in they’ll know what they’ve looked at.

    Thanks,

     
    • MyNameIsJeffNImLost

      08/03/2012 at 11:02 am

      myrddinlefay, I like the visited link feature as well. Unfortunately, it is not simple. Visited link color is determined by your local browser history, which FF’s web servers does not have access to. So when the FF or any web servers change the color, underlining or other style of a link, they don’t know how to use anyone’s private history to color it. When you web browser renders a page, by default it will use the server’s style attributes if they are provided. It does this because, for example, the background might be blue, making blue links unreadable.

      There is an option to override this default in some browsers. With Firefox, Tools menu->Options->Content tab->”Colors…” button->Uncheck “Allow pages to choose their own colors, instead of my selections above”. This changes link color _and_ background colors. Unfortunately, it isn’t selectable on a per-site basis, so it will have a lot of undesirable side effects. For example, it would ignore the brown background color of the margins of this page, making it look very plain.

      If there was a way to use this setting for just FFnet, I’d love to hear it.

       
      • Anon

        08/03/2012 at 1:59 pm

        I’ve done some CSS and HTML work. In CSS, the visited attribute for links is used to change the color of the link once it has been clicked on. However, your browser has to have a knowledge of what links you have clicked on to know which CSS to use.

        MyNameIsJeffNimLost, I don’t have a clue what you are talking about because a website designer should have already considered how a visited link looks like when he or she have chosen their colors.

         
      • MyNameIsJeffNImLost

        08/03/2012 at 5:19 pm

        Anon, you’re right. It looks like there is a CSS property A:visited which should work. Sorry, it’s been a while since I’ve done HTML/CSS work, and then only a little, so I didn’t remember. Most sites I’ve seen override the text and link colors do not bother to set A:visited, vlink, or alink to a different value. They just set A:link or link. So either they are lazy or are overly controlling about the look of their sites.

        What I was talking about was if a web designer picks a background, it won’t always work with the user’s default fonts. The two choices might be incompatible. It doesn’t really matter, though.

        If there is a way to do it that works in all browsers, my preferences are:
        – different color link for visited and unvisited links
        – some kind of of indicator on _profile_ pages to differentiate between external links and local links. That could be underline, hover underlines, or something else.

        But that’s just my preferences. From the comments, it looks like most people agree on the first. The second is more up to debate. It’s impossible to please everyone, and there have been some missteps as with an experimental change, but I think the admins are doing a great job of incorporating feedback and making improvements.

         
      • Jeff

        08/03/2012 at 7:16 pm

        No the visted link feature is working on other websites, but not on FFN, so their change somehow is blocking in on their site

         
  5. Guest

    08/03/2012 at 8:37 am

    Regarding the second change, I thought the site looked different this morning. :) So far, I like it. It has a much tidier appearance. I also like how just the story titles are underlined now, whereas before the author and review were also underlined. The new look emphasis the title. Thanks!

     
  6. Guest

    08/03/2012 at 8:42 am

    I just checked out the new forum icons. The crowns and gems are great! The couch adds a bit of whimsy. These are fun little changes. :)

     
  7. Donny Sterbinszky

    08/03/2012 at 8:43 am

    Awesome changes btw, I only miss the change-color-of-title/name-after-looked-at-it thing. Can I make a suggestion, please? It was always bothering me that older, yet still active forums are washed away by new, inactive forums in the forum section. My suggestion would be that the listing should be done by ‘most recent post’ than date of creation. I guess this way old, but active forums could get back to the top of the list, and people would notice them. Right now they click on the say… first five, see it is inactive and stop looking further…

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 3:09 pm

      Or at least have this sort option available. Particularly since a new fandom comes along and it dies out rather quickly.

       
  8. Stephanie

    08/03/2012 at 8:47 am

    I like the look with out the underlines but I do wish the links would show if you have already opened that page!!

     
  9. Laura

    08/03/2012 at 8:57 am

    Kind of unrelated but I wondered if there was a way to give users a link back to the old PM version, if you still have all the old stuff saved somewhere. I didn’t realize that eventually we weren’t going to be able to look at old PMs and I wish I’d saved more of them.

    Also, I vote too, to have the purple show us that we clicked on a story, makes it much easier to remember. Thanks!

     
  10. Nispedana

    08/03/2012 at 9:12 am

    Thank you so much for these changes!!!

     
  11. anon

    08/03/2012 at 9:46 am

    I’ve seen this requested multiple times and agree that the horizontal rule/scene break thing needs to be fixed. It looked a LOT better when it was darker. Can it please be fixed already?

    Thanks for all your hard work, by the way!

     
  12. Lexie

    08/03/2012 at 9:47 am

    I would really like the option to be able to disable story covers, or at least make it (as well as for communities, as I have one too) where it won’t default to my profile image. It’s easy to find an image to use for my profile but not one that’s relevant to my story; while I have permission to use the images for my profile, they’re not custom made for me, and I’m not an “artist”. It’s really not fair to people who don’t have “artistic” skills if they can’t make their own story cover like some people, and have to go through the trouble of finding a a cool looking as well as *free* image that’s relevant to their story. Please consider an option to disable story covers or at least make it where it won’t default to the profile image.

     
    • Amy

      08/03/2012 at 1:12 pm

      I’d like to be able to disable story covers, too.

      I’m not very good at drawing or painting, so I won’t design covers for my stories. Having the option to enable/disable story covers would be convenient and appreciated.

       
    • Anon

      08/03/2012 at 2:02 pm

      +1

      I agree with you. I would love to be able to disable it because I’ve seen too many people where their profile icon does not match up with the story that they are writing.

       
    • MMC

      08/03/2012 at 2:40 pm

      Adding my vote for this too; sometimes the images are distracting when looking for a story to read. Also, there is still the problem that people use inappropriate images, images that spoil any exclusively new fandom plot details, and – as some mentioned before in other entries – people are using art that do not belong to them nor do they actually have permission to use from the artists themselves. Having an on/off option would help immensely.

      Other than that, thank you so much for all your hard work, Xing and staff!

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/03/2012 at 3:39 pm

        I want a way to report the images specifically, maybe as we click on them to enlarge them.

         
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 3:38 pm

      I honestly don’t get what any of you are complaining about here. First you bring up the fact it is easy to find stock art to use for cover art but then complain it is troublesome to find cover art for every single story you have. I am one of those people who happen to make my own cover art. On top of this, one of the art forms I work with is photo editing. This means I’ve gone looking for stock art that I can use in my art work. This process doesn’t take much time, but it takes a lot longer time to create each piece of art work that I come out with.

      Thus instead of coming across as if you guys have a legitimate complaint you instead sound like your jealous of other people’s creative talents. Or that it makes you guys look lazy? I mean, did you ever stop and think that for the avatar being a default for the cover art goes for those who have artistic talent too? It takes five to ten minutes to find good stock art if not less time, but it takes half an hour to an hour, if not longer to create one piece of cover art.

      I’m not saying the idea of disabling the avatar as default for cover pages is a bad idea, but the reason that you want it done for feels really shallow and self-centered. As someone else pointed out, the avatar doesn’t always fit the story. If one could turn of the avatar as the default then someone who does in fact use their avatar for some of their fanfics can then tell which covers have been changed. But because you’re jealous that someone else is able to make their own cover art and you can’t?

      ~ Find stock art, it isn’t that hard to do.
      ~ Use the Paint program and create a page that contains a color and the title of the fanfic if you don’t want to use stock art or don’t want to go looking for a piece. This is the easiest kind of cover art to create and pretty much anyone can do it even if they don’t have artistic talent.
      ~ Request cover art from people who can do it. Some artists over at DA take points for commissions. Other artists will take commissions for pieces they feel are well written. Even if the fanfic writer isn’t a good writer, if the artist sees the writer honestly trying to improve their writing they may still create a piece simply because they wish to reward a writer who is honestly trying to grow. Other writers have already created art work and you simply have to ask if you can use it.

      Complaining that it isn’t fair because you don’t have artistic talent… that sounds like a jealousy issue to me.

       
      • Anon

        08/03/2012 at 3:56 pm

        From how they state the rules regarding covers, I get the impression that stock images would violate the guidelines.

         
      • MMC

        08/03/2012 at 4:14 pm

        I don’t really think it’s a jealousy issue. I make my own covers too with the help of Photoshop tutorials I found online, but I will give people the benefit of the doubt since making art covers by yourself might be difficult for some. And yes, maybe making a cover wouldn’t take a whole lot of time, but some people (myself included) actually want the covers to look a specific way and THAT might take some time (I guess in a perfectionist sense…). Sometimes stock art (again, this is IMO) doesn’t have that ‘appeal’ you would want for your story. I understand the option for commissioning from an artist from DeviantArt or something like that, but…I dunno. I mean, it’s nice to know you can get a nifty image done for you, but some multichapter fanfics can get dropped by authors when the inspiration/motivation to continue the fic isn’t there anymore. It’d be kind of a waste to actually commission an artwork until an author knows for sure they will complete the fanfic. -shrug- Just my two cents.

        The only reason I want an on/off feature is because of the reasons I listed in my previous response; especially with spoiler ridden images as book covers (or sometimes by accident, there is no book cover by the author and the author’s avatar is instead defaulted which contains image spoilers).

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/03/2012 at 6:09 pm

        @ Anon – It depends on the rules that have been put down. For example, anything you find on http://www.morguefile.com says “You are prohibited from using this work in a stand alone manner.”, but you can use it for photo editing projects and such. However, http://www.freeimages.co.uk/terms.htm has different terms and would fall under “don’t own the image but have permission to use”.

        @ MMC – My problem is more with the complaint that picking out stock images that one can freely use is troublesome and not worth the effort, forgetting that making ones own cover also takes time and effort. If one wants good cover art they should put some effort into getting it rather then bemoaning the fact it isn’t fair. This argument feels all to similar to the writers who say it isn’t fair they don’t have as many reviews, follows and likes on their story despite the fact they put little to no effort into their writing, leaving them with a mediocre piece. It isn’t everyone to be honest, and to be honest they’re not being fair to the people who take the time to actually find stock images they can use either.

        While people do lose motivation, actually having a cover image done for you can help curb the loss of motivation for some people. For example, a well made cover is going to draw more readers in, and more readers will give a writer incentive to continue something unless they have major writers block. Also, for those whose strength isn’t in writing but is art, they should really think about making art work for the writers they like even if the writer doesn’t end up using it. That in itself is motivation.

        P.S. For those worried about the fact they don’t have a digital graphics program like Photoshop despite having artistic skill, DA has a program that is similar to Photoshop despite not having as many capabilities. Right now the brushes are glitched, but I do enjoy using it.

         
      • Guest

        08/03/2012 at 6:31 pm

        I tend to agree with you on many points, yemi hikari, but I disagree here. :)

        Like MMC below, I don’t think those who want to hide/disable the story covers are making the request out of jealousy. Many times, they are distracting. Some are offensive to particular tastes. Reporting offensive images isn’t always a quick answer.

        By implementing a hide/disable feature, both sides win. Those who love the images can keep using them and viewing the art of those who admire the feature. They may not have to look at those gray boxes, either, depending on how it’s implemented. :) Those who don’t like the images don’t have to look at them.

        My artistic skills are so-so. Between a full time job, contract work on the side and writing stories as a hobby, I don’t have a lot of time to devote to artwork. I went in search of stock images. What I found didn’t impress me. Maybe there are good resources I simply haven’t stumbled across yet…

        I’m new to DeviantArt, so I don’t know about commissions. I did find some terrific work by an artist there that caught my eye. I sent him a PM and asked permission to use his work in return to a link back to his DA profile. He kindly agreed.

        Yes, I have story covers. But I would also like the option to hide them when browsing stories.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/03/2012 at 8:14 pm

        @ Guest – I actually don’t have a problem with the option of turning the ability to see the images on and off. I also don’t have a problem with making it so that a persons avatar is the default for cover art when a person doesn’t have cover art. I’m actually for this and know that most of the reasons people have given haven’t been for jealousy issues. However, this comment bothered me.

        “It’s really not fair to people who don’t have “artistic” skills if they can’t make their own story cover like some people, and have to go through the trouble of finding a a cool looking as well as *free* image that’s relevant to their story.”

        Whether a person makes their own cover art, commissions it, finds stock images that allow for their use or asks permission for non-stock images they all have to deal with the fact that the default image is a persons avatar and they all have to put in some sort of work for good cover art. The problems aren’t limited to any one group.

        I don’t remember where, but I remember a comment where someone said that fanfiction.net should do away with the cover pages all together because it isn’t fair that the people with artistic creativity get to have covers and the other people have to look for theirs, or something along those lines. For some people it is unfortunately a jealousy issue.

        I also don’t think “its not fair” should be brought up when there are actually really good arguments that can be made for both the options being added. Particularly since bringing up something like “it isn’t fair” can actually be detrimental to an argument if one isn’t careful.

         
      • Lexie

        08/04/2012 at 9:26 am

        Wow, what a way to over react. I am in no way “jealous” of other people’s work, primarily because the fandoms I’m involved in aren’t big (I write about classic movies and tv shows thank you, not something that many people on the site appreciate or even have knowledge of). No, it’s not easy to find truly relevant as well as decent looking images that fit my work. I merely want the option to disable story cover, or to have the *option* (not mandatory for everyone else) to make it where it won’t default to my profile image. The profile images do not relate to my stories, plus the fact that profile icons and story covers are different sizes. I want to be able to load my story and that’s it, not have to take the extra time to go and find a *decent* looking image that’s truly free to use that’s *relevant* to my story. I also don’t want to put anyone out by asking them to make an image every time I write a story. I don’t know about you, but I don’t have all the time in the world to go through all the trouble of finding a good image to use for a fanfiction of all things. Some of us do have a life outside the internet.

        I’m not asking a lot, and your repetitive use of the word “jealous” makes you sound very immature and egotistic, and it’s confusing you’re reacting the way you are to my post. I could be making a ruckus over the fact that nobody’s responded to my abuse reports of the *massive* amount of real person fiction that I and others have to put up with in order to find a decent story in the first place, or would you have a problem with that too?

        I only made a harmless suggestion. Get over it. The only one truly and needlessly complaining here, is you.

         
      • Anon

        08/04/2012 at 2:14 pm

        I have to agree with you. Lexie, I have used your comments a few entries back to respond to idiots who write One Direction fanfiction when they respond back with anger.

         
      • Lexie

        08/04/2012 at 4:19 pm

        Okay, now that I’ve thought about it, did you think I meant that I wanted to disable everyone else’s story covers? That’s not what I meant, I only want the option to disable story covers for *my* work, so my stories won’t stick out like a sore thumb because of my completely different profile image that’s defaulted to the story. That’s why I didn’t understand your “jealously” comment there. I’m not jealous of other people’s work, I admire it when they actually have the talents to create their own work. But no everybody has that talent and no, it’s not fair with the expectation of if we can write a story, we can also draw. Drawing and writing are two completely things. No, I can’t find actually *free* images that are decent looking enough and also match my stories (if you knew what I wrote about then maybe you would understand why it’s difficult to find something suitable). I don’t feel comfortable asking someone to create covers specifically for my stories. A profile image and a story cover are two different things (and I say again, the profile images I use are *not* “custom” made for me), and I don’t want my stories to be negatively conspicuous by a mere cover (though I ultimately don’t judge others work that way when I’m trying to find a story, even though others unfortunately do; that’s the point). No, I’m not lazy either, as it’s enough to get the story finally written and posted, considering that kind of life I have (maybe you have that free time, but I and others don’t). I’m not interesting in drawing, I’m interested in reading and writing. It’s lazy that I merely don’t want cover art for *my* own work? Maybe you should just stick to DeviantArt and leave the rest of us writers alone.

        Also, you comparing my suggestion about story covers with authors who complain about a lack of reviews, etc. are two different things. I personally don’t care about the amount of reviews a story gets, by the story cover thing is an entirely different issue.

        You said it yourself, “a well made cover is going to draw more readers in…”. Well, if I can’t find or make one, then shouldn’t I be able to merely suggest that I have the option to disable the feature for *my* stories? I don’t see where that’s asking a lot.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/05/2012 at 1:47 am

        @ Leslie – Apologies if I’ve offended you, that was not my intention. It was the wording you used that bothered me. I myself have worded things in a way that what I intended to say was misconstrued whether it be my fault or the person whose read what I wrote. And no, that isn’t what I thought you meant, but it is what other people have meant. You may want to take a second look at the part I said bothered me about what you originally said. It wasn’t your suggestion at all.

        And as I’ve pointed out, the people who can’t find a good image aren’t going to be the only ones who’ll want to disable the profiles avatar as the default for fanfics that don’t have images yet as it can take time for an artist to create enough covers for every single fanfic. I myself have a LOT of fanfics and right now I can’t do good cover art due to DA Muro being down, paint being a icky program to work with and my PS program needing to be found and re-installed. I can’t even make cover art for people who request it, unless it is title only and that is something most people can easily do using word, screen captures and paint. I’ve also stated MULTIPLE times I agree with disabling the avatar as default too.

        However… I do recognize that a solution to the problem is needed until the site admins do get around to fixing the problem. People shouldn’t HAVE to delete their avatar because of this.

        http://cmnproductions.deviantart.com/art/No-Image-Cover-Art-319089575

        Not everyone is going to “like” the solution… I personally am not fond of it myself. For some it will be a temporary solution for the fanfics without cover art picked out until the avatar as default is allowed to be turned off, others will use it as a temporary solution even afterwords, depending on the option the site admins decide to implement. It’s up to people to choose whether they wish to use it. If you have a DA account feel free to re-post it for other people to use under your scrap section, no need to credit me. Or create your own version or versions that you like.

        And no… I didn’t think about this until now.

         
      • MMC

        08/05/2012 at 2:24 pm

        @Yemi: Actually…I didn’t think of doing that either. LOL I’ll probably be borrowing that temp image. I only made cover arts so far with my active stories… Thanks for the link!

         
      • Guest

        08/05/2012 at 11:10 pm

        @yemi hikari – The “No Image” image is a great idea. I wonder why the site didn’t use something like that as the default instead of our avatars. Might not have been such an uproar. :)

         
    • konarciq

      08/04/2012 at 7:23 am

      I’ll second this, mostly because I find the story covers highly distracting when looking for a story. They’re nice to make, nice to look at – that’s not the problem. But I find them highly distracting when looking for a story, and that’s the reason I come here.

      I would very much welcome the option to disable them the way we do with the ad blocker – only then hopefully without a time limit. Let them be visible for those who love them, and give those who don’t like them cluttering their pages the option to *not* be bothered by them.

      I must say I wonder a bit about the efficiency of all these clutterfighting changes though. On the one hand you’re fighting cluttering by removing things, and on the other hand you’re adding to the clutter by adding things!

       
  13. Ray

    08/03/2012 at 10:07 am

    Thank you so much! Half the time, I can’t see a book cover and when I make them, i have to make the title EXTRA large. Thanks! But I did like the underlining though, I think it helped.

     
  14. Cyth

    08/03/2012 at 10:13 am

    Thanks for the changes! I’m going to agree with everyone though about the story changing to purple – this morning I couldn’t remember whether or not I had read something, it was so much easier when it was purple if it had already been read.

     
  15. Ken Marshall

    08/03/2012 at 10:56 am

    Could you restore the underlines to the links? I don’t care how cluttered you make it thinks the site look, but it really helps browsing by letting me know what I’ve already read.

    And is there a way to disable cover story images? They do make the site cluttered.

     
    • Anon

      08/03/2012 at 2:12 pm

      I’m going to talk about something from my writing for the world wide web class. Underlines for links are not needed if it is clear that bit of text is a link. In CSS, a designer can set it up so that underlining does appear when the mouse hovers over the link.

      I would have to agree with you about story covers. Someone on another website compared those story covers to some of the design that a FAILED fanfiction website used.

       
  16. Mystic Defiance

    08/03/2012 at 11:12 am

    My demands:
    A: If you do decide to have a visited-links feature, make it be able to be switched off.
    B: Change the mod icons back to badges, and change the regular user icons to all gems. Me and the others on LawlClan agree with this.

     
    • Anon

      08/03/2012 at 2:23 pm

      For A, you can always find a user style that will disable that. User styles are very handy because it can get rid of things that you don’t like on your favorite website. Go to Reocities and look through some of those old Geocities to get a feel for what is bad website design.

      To let my grammar Nazi out, It is “I and the others” not “Me and the others.”

       
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 3:42 pm

      Demands? Shouldn’t be suggestions or requests?

      B: I like the new icons for the forums. I wish there were icons for the people who’ve been here longer then five years and those who have been here for ten though.

       
    • Guest

      08/03/2012 at 6:41 pm

      I may kick myself later, but what is LawlClan?

      On a side note, I’m with yemi hikari – Demands? We have no right to make demands of the site admins. They provide us a great service for free. We may make polite requests and suggestions, and provide feedback.

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/03/2012 at 8:32 pm

        It is apparently a forum for the Warriors fandom, which doesn’t surprise me.

         
  17. Arbitrary

    08/03/2012 at 11:53 am

    It looks like I’m the first one to post here who noticed this, but unvisited links turn red when you hover the mouse over them while visited links remain blue. While better than nothing, this isn’t anywhere near as straightforward to see at a glance as it was when visited links were displayed in a different color. While I’m inclined to think of the default purple as rather ugly, it served its purpose of making the unvisited links seem brighter and more relevant than the visited ones at a single glance.

     
  18. Laora

    08/03/2012 at 12:07 pm

    Honestly, I don’t have much of a problem with the blue/purple thing everyone’s posting about. I think it looks nice the way it is – the site definitely looks cleaner without the underlines.

    And I quite like the new badges for the forums. The crowns for admins and mods are adorable :3

    Also, thank you so much for fixing the problem where words s p a c e d o u t in stories were cut, leaving only the last letter! I know a lot of people who do that for stylistic reasons, and it pretty much made my day to see that it was back to normal :)

     
    • Cyth

      08/03/2012 at 12:20 pm

      The issue is (at least from an author standpoint) that it doesn’t stand out if you post more than one chapter in a day. Links would turn purple once viewed and readers would realize that the author posted a second chapter if the reader doesn’t have a story alert for the story since the link would be blue.

       
  19. RS

    08/03/2012 at 12:30 pm

    Please return visited-links color changes. It’s making it really difficult to see what I’ve already read and what I have not. Arbitrary’s solution helps but having to hover over each link is a pain.

     
  20. Donny Sterbinszky

    08/03/2012 at 12:49 pm

    And this is not only a problem at the stories, dont forget the forums. I am following many forums, some post regularly new topics and posts are completely random. Before the change when I visited a forum, I just had to do a quick scan with my eyes if there was a new post… But right now I have to look more closely, possibly ‘hovering my mouse over it’ , which takes time away. Why wasnt the previous setting good?

     
  21. NeenaJ

    08/03/2012 at 1:20 pm

    I don’t care what’s underlined or not, but the links not changing color after they’ve been clicked on is a big annoyance. I really do not want to have to re-read the whole summary to get the just to know if I’ve read the story or not. Please at least make it so that the links change color again.

     
    • Bitchy about details

      08/03/2012 at 5:03 pm

      Agreed.

       
  22. TheFreelancerSeal

    08/03/2012 at 1:50 pm

    I also liked the underlining. Like Laura above, I liked how it separated things, and frankly I don’t think the new look is really cleaner. I mean I’m sure I’ll get used to it if it’s here to stay, but I liked the old way of having each entry underlined.

    I also liked how clicked links would just change color. Yes, we can hover over links to see what we’ve clicked on, but isn’t it easier just to have the link a different color? I thought it was. When I first saw the lack of color on the links, I thought the computer had cleaned out all of my cookies, so it came as quite a surprise to find out otherwise.

    I do like some of the changes that have been made, and I applaud the people who implement them. But some of the changes just don’t seem necessary, at least in my opinion, and the lack of lines and links are two of them.

     
  23. Lagomorph

    08/03/2012 at 3:01 pm

    I’m with everyone else on having the visited-links color-change back. Granted, Arbitrary pointed out the red for not visited and blue for visited when the mouse hovers over the links, but having the links change to purple (or whichever other color that goes well with the site design) is MUCH more intuitive. Someone out there might not be paying attention enough to notice the difference of red and blue, and just click away without realizing that they already visited that link.

    I also liked the underlining for much of the same reasons others have iterated, on separating things a lot more easily. The lack of underlines just doesn’t give it that good of a “cleaner look.”

     
  24. Lorraine

    08/03/2012 at 3:14 pm

    I’m not fussy about whether links are underlined or not – though I did prefer it when they were, as on-site links on my profile now don’t match off-site ones – but please, please, /please/ make visited links turn another colour.

     
  25. ninja.shrimp.x3

    08/03/2012 at 3:29 pm

    i dont really care for the underlining i could get used to it but i like how both the story and the author links were both underlined. but what concerned me was how the stories i already read doesnt changed purple and remains blue. i agree with everyone else who are pointing out the same problem. i liked how the stories i clicked on turn purple while the others would stay blue. it made it easier to tell what ive read and what i havent read. please return the visited link color change.

     
  26. BoudicaFlamespirit

    08/03/2012 at 3:42 pm

    Please change the forum rank icons back. They looked much, MUCH better as little dudes.
    I liked that the links turned purple after you clicked it already. That way you know you’ve already read it.
    Could we just have a setting to hide the cover images? Some people don’t care. Besides, you can just fib if you own the art/picture or not, there’s no sound way on the site for actually telling if you’re not lying.

     
  27. yemi hikari

    08/03/2012 at 3:48 pm

    I’m not going to argue against the images being made larger. However, is there a way the site admins could turn off the ability to copy the image? If not, I don’t mind. However, some people will take and use another persons cover art without permission and this will hopefully reduce the temptation for some of the people.

     
  28. Tommyboy525

    08/03/2012 at 3:51 pm

    I agree that the underlining issue is not a big deal but the visited links not turning another colour is a nightmare as stories that I have read can no longer be identified unless I remember the name, quite the feat when you read dozens a day and it is so much harder to find if a story you are following has been updated. Please change this back as it saves so much frustration.

     
  29. Bitchy about details

    08/03/2012 at 5:01 pm

    I have no idea what I’ve read before. Links are no longer turning purple if I’ve clicked on them before, they’re staying blue.

     
  30. shagggy

    08/03/2012 at 5:26 pm

    I would love it if you can make visited links change color again; it’s very helpful when I am looking for updates in the crossovers I read.

     
  31. Nessa

    08/03/2012 at 5:30 pm

    I’m guessing you did something to remove the way visited links are portrayed on the site? I’m pretty sure it’s not my browser as I checked. It’s only one this site that this occurred, far as I can see, anyway.

    Could you undo that? Or allow those of us who have customized our browser to apply our own styles? Having the visited links be a different color than a regular link helps me a ton when I’m keeping track of stories. I know which stories I’ve read this way.

    Also, since others are mentioning it, I would really like the option to disable the cover art on the site. It’s nothing personal, I just find it distracting and feels like it takes up too much space. At least with an option, it gives those of us who don’t want the cover art to take it off, while those who enjoy it can keep enjoying it!

    Thank you very much!

     
  32. molesmt

    08/03/2012 at 5:34 pm

    Another request for please having some way of identifying visited links at a glance.

     
  33. Random Ipsy

    08/03/2012 at 5:42 pm

    I agree with bringing back the purple or whatever color to show where I’ve been. It’s so annoying not being able to tell you’ve already read a certain story months ago. I mean, can you imagine how much of a pain it would be to google search something and end up clicking on the same result without realizing it? Or not being able to tell where you’ve gone and you want to get back there, but there’s so many results to scroll through, and you can’t tell where you’ve been?

    I also like the idea of being able to disable/enable story covers. You can do it like the ad blocker option – except it lasts as long as you want.

    Third thing: I miss the option to turn on/off anonymous reviews. It only helps encourage trolls and flamers. Also pertaining to reviews, maybe we can choose the rating we want for reviews, like Paperdemon does. Like, to choose if we want potluck, critical, or positive reviews.

    Of course, that doesn’t mean positive reviews have to be sugary and sweet. They just have to be… positive. My explanation is coming off a little clumsily for positive reviews, my apologies. I mean, tell what you liked, give some helpful tips on how to improve, but don’t just tell them their story sucks. I feel that it helps new writers feel more secure in submitting their stories. Critical are just that: Tell them how it is. If your story sucks, they can and should tell you. Potluck is obviously just wanting any kind of review.

    Fourth: Make it possible to leave reviews AND comments – whether you leave both is up to you. Comments are for those: “OMG your story is awesome, please update soon!” And reviews are for the critiquing. I feel this helps encourage people to leave you at least SOMETHING for your work. I also feel a comment option is much better than a kudos option. Everyone complains about the story quality on the site, so I thought I’d suggest a way to improve the reviewing quality.

     
    • Cyth

      08/03/2012 at 5:59 pm

      @Random Ipsy – you can always delete the reviews and there is now a waiting period for moderation if you enable it. As a reader who sometimes reviews on my iPod, I find it so much easier that I don’t have to log in – because I tend to forget that I didn’t review. Any negative reviews I have gotten since the new system has been in place have been deleted, and I’ve learned from my mistakes without everyone seeing the review.

       
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 6:45 pm

      @ Random Ipsy – As someone else said, just delete the anonymous reviews. Certain people were using the ability to turn off anonymous reviews as a way to circumvent the rule about respecting the reviewers who honestly are trying to help you improve as a writer.

      I don’t think we should allow people to choose between “potluck, critical, or positive reviews”. First, some people think of positive reviews as reviews that don’t point out anything bad about your stories and they would think this would be a way to circumvent any form of criticism. Second, there stories out there that are so bad that the only thing you can do is tell them how BAD the story is. Even allowing positive reviews as you so mentioned would mean a person would be able to circumvent getting any form criticism as a person writing critique won’t be allowed to review because they don’t have anything nice to say. Not to mention this reviewing system would BE against site rules.

      As for the review/comments separation… people would still leave reviews that said “OMG your story is awesome, please update soon!” for reviews. We would also have people BEGGING for reviews to be turned off and only allowing comments because they don’t want any form of critique. I also don’t see a point in separating them as the review system works wonderfully as it is.

      I also don’t think you realize that the quality of this site and the writing on it is far better then most other fanfic archives out there. This includes the one you are referring to, the quality of work posted on it is lower then the standard here. The reason for this is because fanfiction.net has the rules it does for critiquing fanfiction. People are actually called out for bad writing.

       
      • Random Ipsy

        08/04/2012 at 3:12 am

        Well, the post I made was me just trying to voice some ideas – yes, being able to choose the kind of review you want could be abused, but I guess I was thinking FFN could take my clumsily described idea and improve it to something more professional. Guess I was trying to contribute, and wanted to get my thoughts out there. I think the review system is great as it is too, but I see how some authors wish they were getting more in-depth reviews, so I thought of a possible solution for them and people who don’t really know what to say except that it’s a good chapter and to write more soon. And maybe the comments could only be visible to the author? I don’t know. Like I said, just voicing an idea.

        Also, I didn’t mean to imply that FFN has/is low quality, nor that I didn’t realize/appreciate the site. I was just trying to put my thoughts out there, hoping they could contribute in some small way to FFN.

        And yes, while you can just delete the anonymous reviews in the given 3 days (which I was aware of, by the way), that’s extra work I don’t feel we should have to do. I want the reason I scroll through them every other day to be so I can see my feedback, not because I have to make sure I’m preventing an anonymous troll from being added to my review number before the delete window is closed and then I have to wait until some one from support sees my report/complaint to get rid of it. That’s my opinion on the matter any way, but I understand how it can be abused. However, I feel it should still be a choice – or that FFN could have let us vote on it or something.

        Thank you for your well thought out reply, and for pointing out the cons – again, I was just trying to get my own thoughts out there and see if they could contribute at all.

         
    • Ray

      08/03/2012 at 7:10 pm

      @Random Ipsy: If someone flamed your stories, don’t take it too personally. Half the time, a flame is biased and because of some pairing in the story (at least, so far, those are the only ones I’ve gotten.) You can always delete something afterwards. Personally, I like them. If they say your story itself sucks, they usually give a reason, and I take it seriously, and it helps me improve. If it’s about some pairing, well…I think of them as trophies I’ve collected from irrational rabid fan girls.

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/03/2012 at 8:20 pm

        “I think of them as trophies I’ve collected from irrational rabid fan girls.”

        I second this. However, I’ll also note I’m deleting reviews from them that tell me that I can’t write two characters as siblings because they’re childhood friends and not siblings. I’m not going to validate this argument that contradicts the canon unless I find their review amusing. That would mean I would be keeping the ones from irrational rabid fan girls though and deleting the ones from the ones I think are rational to make my point they’ve got canon wrong. And yes… I got one where I was told I was sick for writing them as siblings rather then pairing them together.

         
      • Ray

        08/04/2012 at 9:27 am

        @yemi hikari: I have removed reviews as well, but only because they were impersonator reviews. There’s been anonymous reviews signing out with my name or Pen Name, pretending to be me. The problem is they flame my friends’ stories OR pretend to be my friends while flaming my stories. It’s really cowardly. But they say it’s the most sincere form of flattery.

         
  34. Laura

    08/03/2012 at 6:07 pm

    Also unrelated to this post but I’m not sure where else to ask…
    Is there a way to put links within a story to other stories if the story is part of a series? That way if someone clicked on Part 2, you could have a link in the A/N that let them go to Part 1 first. Just wondering. Thanks!

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 6:46 pm

      This option would be nice, because sometimes you’re also inspired by another persons fanfic. However, I can see people begging to have other links allowed.

       
  35. mellow47

    08/03/2012 at 7:38 pm

    Along with others, register my complaint about loosing visited links color change. Yes, the browser can be set to ignore the site colors, etc, but that leaves your page somewhat ‘ugh.’ I’ve always liked the page formatting as it was–don’t fix what isn’t broke.

     
    • konarciq

      08/04/2012 at 7:26 am

      Don’t fix what isn’t broken… My feelings exactly with many of the recent changes. Some are definitely good, but for many of them I think just that: stop fixing what isn’t broken!

       
  36. ashybear

    08/03/2012 at 8:06 pm

    I agree with others – the only thing I’d really appreciate to be changed is having the purple links back. It is much easier to navigate around.

     
  37. AlixMM

    08/03/2012 at 8:50 pm

    Ok whoever said the visited links turn red when you hover the mouse over them — well it doesn’t do that in FireFox — plus I found it does do this in IE – BUT – ALL the links turn red when you hover the mouse over them in IE not just the visited ones. I tested it I don’t usually use IE so none of the links should be “visited” yet when I put my mouse pointer over them they turn red. It didn’t matter if I visited the link or not. So could you please bring back the visited link color change. Thank-you

     
    • AlixMM

      08/03/2012 at 8:54 pm

      Ok yes in IE once I visited the link it didn’t turn red anymore when I hovered my mouse over it could have sworn it didn’t just a moment ago — will have double check in Firefox now…. but the noted color change was much easier…. just a quick glance and you knew if you read the story or post in a forum.

       
      • Jan

        08/04/2012 at 12:16 am

        I only use IE and it does change to red when you hover over it – at least it does in the Doc Management area. I have a number of chapters waiting to be posted and previously it changed colour once you made changes within it. This allowed you to know which chapter you’ve edited and which one you haven’t, especially if you don’t log in for a couple of days and forgotten which one you’re up to.

        I agree with you, it should just be a quick glance with your eyes without having to use a mouse or pointer.

         
  38. piewacket

    08/03/2012 at 9:16 pm

    Please, please, please give us a category for those who have been on the site for 5+ years and make it a little guy with a top hat and monocle! :D

     
    • Guest

      08/04/2012 at 6:26 am

      Ooh, I like this! :) But would it be too close to Mr. Moneybags from Monopoly? Does he have a monocle?

       
  39. mellow47

    08/03/2012 at 9:33 pm

    Unfortunately, removing underlines doesn’t seem to totally work. Firefox 14.0 on OS X 10.7.4: Links to stories from a story list (say, HP list) has each story title underlined, and since visited links are no longer marked, hard to determine which stories I’m interested in. As mentioned, ignoring page formatting is global, and disastrous. Not a good move, me thinks.

     
  40. myrddinlefay

    08/03/2012 at 9:34 pm

    The chapter submission thing has changed too. It didn’t need to change. It was awesome the way it was!

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 10:00 pm

      I struggle with grammar but have improved so I can go back and make my older fanfics easier to read for myself and my readers. I was doing some editing on one of my completed fanfics and I added a chapter by accident which bumped up the update an entire year. For some reason I scrolled down the wrong “select document” and pushed the “add chapter” button and went, “wait, that isn’t what I wanted to do”. It was embarrassing. It also looks nicer.

       
  41. Kikurukina Bal Des'cagel

    08/03/2012 at 10:25 pm

    I find the new icons for the forum strange. I didn’t see a reason to change it and thematically, the new icons don’t make sense. Especially, the couch and the bamboo. A couch potato and a fast-growing plant? I preferred the uniformity of the former icons and was at least a representation of the humans on the other side of the screen.

     
  42. Rachel

    08/03/2012 at 10:54 pm

    Dont know when Fanfiction will fix this problem but I found away around it cause like you Im not a writer but a reader and use the purple back links as a guide to what I read. This only works if your using firefox. Go to http://userstyles.org/styles/browse/fanfiction and download a theme. I used purple blk and grey. You also need to download stylish a download add on from firefox. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/?src=external-userstyleshome

     
  43. Estelli

    08/03/2012 at 11:26 pm

    Awesome! Though I wish that instead of the author’s avatar as the default cover (because then I wouldn’t know whether the cover is a real one or an avatar) there should just be the story title name as the default in that little rectangular area…

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/03/2012 at 11:52 pm

      Or no picture.

       
  44. Nat

    08/04/2012 at 12:31 am

    I have no problem with the images but I do NOT like that the links I visited don’t change colors. I haven’t cleared my browser history for like ever because I wanted to keep track of the stories I read. Also it made it easier to see where you left off the day before.

    Please bring this feature back. My browser settings are fine. It has to be from the changes at FF.net.

     
  45. Kay

    08/04/2012 at 1:19 am

    I agree on the links changing colors when you click on them- so you can tell what stories you read/follow and what ones have new chapters that you haven’t read. I can’t spend every day on here keeping track of stories I follow, and then not being able to glance at the titles and know that I have previously read a story is frustrating and annoying. I like to be able to come back a few days later and know where I left off in the fandom, not having to see the blue (?) titles and have no idea of the chapter’s/stories I have read. I liked to be able to just take a quick look and be able to tell if I read the story or not. Please bring this back or make it an available option to set up, it is too much of a pain trying to remember where you left off when you follow a number of different fandoms.

     
  46. Maloran

    08/04/2012 at 1:19 am

    Thank you for fouling up my memory even more. It’s bad enough as is, I don’t need to be trying to remember if I’ve read a story or not. Some of the changes you’ve made to the site are okay. Taking out the underlines for fics, authors, and the legacy story stats was not one of them.

     
  47. konarciq

    08/04/2012 at 7:06 am

    I’ll just add my vote to *please* make the links change colour again (whether it’s purple, pink, green, orange – I don’t care!) once they’ve been visited. Much easier to see what you’ve read and what you haven’t read when scrolling down a page full of links.

    And personally I think it’s easier *with* the links underlined, but it’s not a very big issue. I guess I can get used to this.
    Btw, how come that in my profile, only my own stories are underlined, and not my favourite stories?

    And a matter of uniformity that is a bit odd. At the moment, when on the fandompage, if you want to read the reviews for a story, you have to click on the red word *reviews*. The number of reviews in the grey description line is not a link anymore.
    Yet when you’re on the story page itself, you do have to click on the number of reviews. It might be nice it was uniform – either one or the other (or both – as before ;-)

    Regarding the new icons: I’ll second the idea for special icons for people who have been on the site for considerably longer than two years. Not that I care much about how long people have been around in the first place, but considering how long some people have been here…

    And I do wonder a bit about the colour choice of these. This has nothing to do with jealousy, but at first glance, the two red categories attract far more the eye’s attention than any of the others. At least the old version (which I thought was quite okay – after all we are people, not couches or plants or diamonds) didn’t clearly favour one group over the other. With the colours used at the moment, the allegedly most respected group (2+ years) seems to be least important, because its icon’s colour almost disappears against the white-grey background.
    And the old icons too serious… LOL We *are* serious writers, so what’s wrong with serious icons?

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/05/2012 at 12:55 am

      I think I have an idea why the review link isn’t uniform, but I can’t put it into words easily.

      I’m going to agree with the colors, red does have that effect.

       
    • favonilla

      08/05/2012 at 3:45 am

      I dislike the new forum icons excessively; they’re cartoonish, juvenile and seem to have been chosen at random.

      While I have no personal interest in having my posts accompanied by a little symbol which advertises how long I’ve been a member (after all, being there for two, or five, or ten years doesn’t make my posts any more worthwhile than someone who’s been there for ten minuts, so it should be irrelevant), I can understand that for some people, this is an achievement, and they wish to have it displayed. But I’d rather the icons were classier than these horrid little doodles!

      Here’s a thought – and I imagine it won’t happen, because I’m probably the only one who wants it. Could the use of forum icons be made optional?

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/05/2012 at 3:57 am

        I don’t care about which icon I have, but it helps to see other people’s icon because then you don’t have to go to a persons profile to tell how long they’ve been on the site. Some of the forums have been trolled by sock puppet accounts and when the “newbie” icon pops up after a person has been blocked making the same arguments and also harassing the forum users an admin can tell if it is a possibly sock puppet. People are more likely to take advice from someone who has been on the site longer more seriously then someone whose been on it for a shorter period of time. However, that doesn’t mean the person whose been on longer knows better then someone whose been on for a shorter period of time.

        I personally wish they had something to do with writing rather then being random with the exception of the admins shields, or there was an obvious progression through them.

        I like your idea about making forum icons optional even if it gets put on the back burner to other issues for awhile.

         
      • Anon

        08/05/2012 at 6:18 pm

        I don’t think they will ever give an option to disable those forum icons because if you look at the traditional forums, there are ranks for members depending on a user’s status in the community. However, I do find some of those icons randomly chosen.

         
  48. BlueJean452

    08/04/2012 at 10:08 am

    Please Please Please make the stories I have visited a different color again. It is so hard to tell the ones I have read apart now. Also I liked doing a quick scroll through to see if something I read go updated by just looking at stories that are a different color. I can’t do that now. I also used the different color to identify authors that I liked. Please put it back.

     
  49. Unyielding Wish

    08/04/2012 at 12:35 pm

    I really, really, really miss the old format. All these updates have began to become annoying, (when are you going to stop?) and I agree with everyone that you should bring the underlining back.

    The new chapter-publishing format is…bleh. It’s hard for me to use.

    Just…please. We users of FanFiction and FictionPress don’t need that much changes.

     
  50. Silverr

    08/04/2012 at 2:10 pm

    I do like the variety in the new icons ( though the chair throws me!) …. I think icons for 5 and 10 year vets would be great. I also I agree that the “diamond” for 2 years, while nice, is a bit too “shy” visually. ~ Is there a limit to the number of icons that can be defined?

     

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