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Alerts/Favs Admin Story Sort

06 Aug

Changes

  • Sorting by Story Update Date has been re-added in addition to the default Fav/Alert “Added Date” sort. If your Favs/Alerts fits on one page with less than or equal to 50 entries than in-page sorting is also enabled.
 
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Posted by on 08/06/2012 in alerts, favorites

 

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148 responses to “Alerts/Favs Admin Story Sort

  1. kaka90

    08/06/2012 at 11:21 pm

    Will you be bringing back alphabetical sorting of story titles?

     
  2. Nicole

    08/06/2012 at 11:27 pm

    Thank You! I became most irritated when I could no longer sort my story updates! It’s also nice that I no longer have the urge to castrate someone. Again thank you.

     
  3. anonimo

    08/06/2012 at 11:30 pm

    Gracias… ahora solo falta agregar autor y nombre de la historia al metodo de ordenamiento… y por supuesto la vuelta del cambio de color de los link… saludos

     
  4. MyNameIsJeffNImLost

    08/06/2012 at 11:38 pm

    Odd thing: When I sort alerted stories by name, the Delete button is sorted too. That’s fine, but it’s sorted after numbers and before letters. Since I have a story that starts with “5″ on my alert list, the delete button falls into the second row between “5″ and “A”

    Not a big deal, though.

     
  5. celticchick

    08/06/2012 at 11:39 pm

    hey what happened to sorting by category? this really sucks i liked the old way better when you just had one page and then you clicked on how you wanted the list to appear. bring it back.

     
    • Tsukiko

      08/07/2012 at 8:43 am

      I agree with you there, this new style is just awful.

       
    • enchantedsleeper

      08/07/2012 at 6:43 pm

      Yeah, it seems to me they would have been better off not changing anything to begin with.

       
      • LightningStruckTower27

        08/07/2012 at 9:18 pm

        While I admit the new review function and the style of the site itself is really throwing me off (Especially for people who write “Click that button down there!” in their fics, but that’s besides the point), don’t complain. I know of site owners who don’t update ANYTHING on their sites. This guy is trying to please millions if not billions of people, be glad he’s doing anything at all, really.

         
    • Michelle

      08/07/2012 at 11:48 pm

      One page is so much better…. once I sort by alpha ( either by story title or author name ) I can create spreadsheets…. having my “list” turned into pages is horrible.

       
  6. Lex

    08/06/2012 at 11:41 pm

    Will the bug where, on your login edit story page, the sort by words option is broken, ever be fixed?

     
  7. banshee69

    08/06/2012 at 11:54 pm

    I much preferred the alphabetical listing as to the new way you have arranged story alerts. The alphabetical made it so much easier to find the story I was looking for. Please consider to bring that option back. Thank you.

     
  8. ^_^

    08/06/2012 at 11:55 pm

    I noticed that if I click another link on the sidebar and click “Story Alert” or delete any story the sorting reset to “Sort by date added”. Of those two options the by update date is the most useful. Could you guys set “Sort by story update date” as default? It’s a small matter of convenience that I’m sure everyone appreciated.

     
  9. Filly8

    08/06/2012 at 11:56 pm

    I must say i myself am not a fan of the new font. I was reading and clicked the next link only for the font to get huge in comparison to what i had (i kept the font size relitively small previously). Please listen to the huge number of people wanting the Veranda back (or implement a siteside setting for font).

    I also wanted to mention that i love having the links back! and that the darker links are appriciated :)

    On the favorite list resort options and all that jazz: the pages may be a nice addition but only when/if you fix the sort feature; if you don’t do that then the pages are next to useless and just plain frustrating.

    SUGGESTION:
    i read in another comment somethign about you removing MA fics. In some ways i understand this: kiddies shouldn’t be reading that kind of fic. On the other hand adults are very much present on this site and should have the ablity to rea that type of material if they so wish. So why not make a stronger filter (yes AdultFF is a fine site however i find the presentation and organization on FF much easier to deal with)? Or make it to where if you are below a certain age you can not read that material. Even having a Warning! like Livejournal i believe does about mature content would solve the problem i feel. I don’t know about legalities i guess but i don’t think anyone can say anything if the kiddie chooses to continue reading even with a 18+ warning.. I just feel like it would make your job as FF easier as you would not have to continue screening out mature stories and the readers themselfves would not have to leave the site (loosing you business) to read more mature stories.

    Is anyone with me on this?

     
    • KH

      08/07/2012 at 12:43 am

      I second the idea of putting a stronger filter on so that MA fics would still be allowed on the site. I’ve read many MA fics that are extremely well written and it seems a shame to force them from the site due to the kiddies on here. If writers on here are willing to properly rate their mature works and put them on a filtered page, I don’t see a problem with that. Of course, it’s always up to the parents to make sure what their kids are reading is appropriate for them, one can’t expect the writers to constantly police themselves and water down their works so that everything is child-safe, but if writers on here are willing to work with the site and move their MA works to an 18+only page, it seems like a feasible option to me.

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/07/2012 at 1:54 am

        “Of course, it’s always upto the parents to make sure what their kids are reading is appropriate for them, one can’t expect the writers to constantly police themselves and water down their works so that everything is child-safe…”

        First, I really dislike it when people place the blame for kids finding MA material. Some parents are not as technologically inclined as their kids… I’ve heard stories where kids have gotten around parent controls. Other parents have to work two jobs and schools are now requiring kids to do research. There is the library and other kids houses, not to mention getting a hold of older friends stuff. Some people are only able to access ffnet from the library for an hour or two and if the library decides to block the site because a minor gets their hands on MA material… well, I doubt certain people would be pleased with that.

        Second, it IS the job of the writer to water down their MA material so they can post it as M rated material. M rated material means that the material can be read by someone who is sixteen or older. Any parent who allows their child to read M rated material and said child should not have to worry about MA content.

        Third, the site does not have the lawyers to fight off a lawsuit for providing minors with MA material.

         
      • Guest

        08/07/2012 at 5:27 pm

        @yemi hikari – Well said. There are too many liabilities involved when it comes to hosting adult content. I understand why the administrators removed MA content ten years ago.

         
      • Guest

        08/07/2012 at 5:54 pm

        I began reading the debate below, but I don’t want to get involved in an argument about the responsibilities of a parent. It’s way to volatile a subject for this blog.

        I want to clarify the comment I made a few minutes ago.

        In regards to this site hosting MA-rated content, it’s not so much a matter of a parent suing the site; it’s more to do with the laws of the United States, where I presume the servers for FFN reside. It’s a sticky area. There are many other outlets that do host adult content and are willing to take the risks.

        (By the way, there are several people posting here with the name “Guest” – I’m not sure if those comments were aimed at me or not. I’m not the parent who is trying to remove a MA-rated story, although I sympathize with her situation.)

         
      • LightningStruckTower27

        08/07/2012 at 9:51 pm

        You can’t blame the kids. They “don’t know better”. That’s stupid saying that though. We’re all cursed with that trait called curiosity. I know a mutual friend who found out about adult stuff via a fic rated M. You can’t sue for that because nowadays most kids past the age of eleven or twelve KNOW about that stuff.
        On a very biased note, I think it’s better to learn about adult stuff from a fictional story than from your parents, who will always make it embarassing, but that’s just my opinion.
        And don’t blame the parents. Once the kids know something’s up, they’ll try every way to know what it is. Like using InPrivate/Incognito/Private Browsing etc.
        Unless you’re capable of filtering Google (It’s possible, but not foolproof), and taking down every other MA-rated-M fic, your kid is going to find out sooner or later.

         
      • ?????

        08/09/2012 at 6:23 pm

        KH,
        Your comment about the parent spamming every thread on this blog is totally ridiculous- She had posted just to 2 threads previously- her original comment in an earlier thread where she did not even name or ink the story and the second thread where she replied to someone else who was also complaining about the Admins ignoring Abuse reports.Even then she did not name or link the story until someone asked her to.

        I agree she should not have posted the excerpt of the story here but many seemed to be trying to water down her genuine complaint and make out the story is just M rated and not MA and make it appear that she was unjustly whining so she appeared to become so frustrated with the belittling responses, she wrongly tried to show the section was indeed MA rated and not just some mild smut that she was over reacting to.I don’t agree with her actions but I do understand her frustration. And she posted it in response to YOUR own taunts.

        YOU were the one who brought her into this thread – she had not posted to any more threads after she had posted the link until YOU decided to be the BIG person and try and belittle her with this comment-

        On an unrelated note, I’m curious…are you and the other regular blog poster named “guest” some kind of site administrators or something, or are you just little watchdog wannabes trying to nip the heels of the sheep so they stay in line? Some of your reactions to various postings makes me wonder, you know?

        So stop making out it’s the parent who is spamming the site when you deliberately post and insult her in threads in an attempt to draw her out and make it appear that that’s what she is spamming to gain more support for your side of the argument. All your actions do is make the admins more aware of the fact that writers like yourself happily break TOS {I read your own ‘pantie in a wad’ posts to ff.netrants on LJ about fears about your own ‘erotica’ stories posted here (your own words not mine) and your whining about the fact you got caught for posting a AN chapter here and how unfair it was } and post MA rated stories here and lose you support in your efforts to have MA stories posted here on a separate page.

        Don’t bother replying to my post. I cant be bothered reading this blog anymore.

         
    • yemi hikari

      08/07/2012 at 1:40 am

      There is a difference between Live Journal and Deviant Art which happen to have these screening tactics. Both of these sites are “for profit” sites with paid accounts so they can afford the lawyers if a parent decides to take them to court for providing MA material to minors. However, fanfiction.net is “non-profit”. That means LJ and DA are businesses while ffnet uses money to maintain the servers and other costs for maintaining the site. It also means they can’t afford a lawyer if a parent were to decide to take them to court. It will be serious buisness to as it is illegal to provide MA material to minors. The reason aff is safe is because it is an adult only site and they make it clear EVERY single time someone comes to the site that you need to be 18 to use the site. And they also make it clear it may be 21 in some jurisdictions.

       
      • KH

        08/07/2012 at 2:05 am

        @Yemi Hikari~I’ve never heard of anyone suing a site because their kid accidentally read MA fic because it basically boils down to the fact that it’s up to parents to police their kids, not the sites or authors. If that was the case, sites all over the internet could be sued if some kid laid his eyes on something inappropriate for him and I’ve yet to hear of any site getting sued over something like that. I doubt any lawsuit filed because little Timmy read a bit of slash would hold water in any court, for one thing, fanfiction itself is illegal because it’s violating copyrights of the original creators, and secondly, trying to say an author is accountable for little Timmy’s corruption and locking said author down is censorship at its finest, which is also illegal. Parents have the option of putting safeguards on their computers to prevent their kids from accessing sites not appropriate for them and you know, even with safeguards and filters, kids can get past them and access MA sites if they really want to. Not sure why FF.net can’t add the filter option in the midst of all these other upgrades, surely it won’t cost them that much to initiate and enable such an option.

        On an unrelated note, I’m curious…are you and the other regular blog poster named “guest” some kind of site administrators or something, or are you just little watchdog wannabes trying to nip the heels of the sheep so they stay in line? Some of your reactions to various postings makes me wonder, you know?

         
      • Sasha

        08/07/2012 at 2:55 am

        @Yemi: So, going by your theory that it’s not the responsibility of the parents of the kids to make sure they’re not reading/viewing inappropriate materials, it’s the responsibility of the writers to water their stories down to cater to kiddies, then does that mean that all singers/songwriters must also do the same thing so they can get their songs on the airwaves? Because heaven knows, kiddies can listen to the radio and hear inappropriate things! Same with movies, does that mean Hollywood now needs to start making every movie G or PG-rated so that no child or parent is offended by the content? Does that apply to tv shows? How about commercials, those erectile dysfunction drugs can be pretty inappropriate, you know. And building on that idea, since apparently you think parents don’t need to be responsible for their children, if their kid gets ahold of a gun and shoots someone by accident, is it the fault of the gun manufacturer because they should make a gun that’s safe for kids to use? Or is it the fault of the gunshot victim because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time? How about things like cars…say a parent gets into a wreck because their child distracted them, does the parent have the right to sue the vehicle manufacturer because the vehicle failed to prevent the wreck that was the parent’s fault?

        Surely you can see how utterly ridiculous your theory is. Basically what you’re saying is the parents aren’t responsible for anything their kids do, that they’re too busy working two jobs or they’re computer illiterate, blahblahblah and you know what? That’s just an excuse for escaping their jobs of parenting. It doesn’t take long to learn how to install parental controls on a computer and sure you can’t control what Junior sees in places that aren’t home…it’s called LIFE and if you try to batten it down so that the entire world is nothing but pretty pink fluffiness of non-offensive, you’re committing drastic censorship and expecting society to raise your child for you because you can’t be bothered to do it. Simply put, if you have kids, you’re responsible for their safety, NOT the rest of the world. And if your kid sees something inappropriate for him when he has been forbidden to see such things, then HE should be punished, NOT the creator of the work. Gee, when I was growing up and I got into things not suitable for my comprehension level, I was the one who got privileges revoked, my parents didn’t go burn the book or try to shut down the library because it checked out inappropriate reading material for me. We’ve become a nation of no responsibilty for our actions, it’s always someone else’s fault, not ours, and this is why…people like you tell parents that hey, if Junior reads smutfic and askes questions about genitilia, it’s not Junior’s fault or even their fault, it’s the writer’s fault because they wrote the story. This is also why we have several generations that think they’re special little snowflakes whose every move deserves a gold star and a presidential certificate of praise. You don’t believe me? Read some of the fanfic on here by some of the younger writers and see how they pitch temper tantrums when someone leaves anything other than high accolades for their five mangled and poorly written paragraphs of a story. BTW, I’m with KH, are you some kind of little site monitor wannabe? You seem to like to sound in on any comment that doesn’t follow your accepted party line and espouse your lordly opinions like God speaking to Moses atop Mt. Horeb. “Thou shalt not disagree with me, I’m the emperor, d*mn it!” (But remember, the emperor had no clothes and was made a fool of in the end.)

         
      • KH

        08/07/2012 at 3:06 am

        @Guest-yes, we’ve seen your many complaints on various blog threads, ranting that your child read an MA-rated fic. Maybe instead of constantly focusing on trying to get that story removed, you should just move on, huh? Because trust me, you’re tilting at windmills here. For every one MA story you get deleted, there’s thousands more like it on the site. Yes, you can report them when you find them, and yes, it’s the writer’s responsibility to make sure their stories have the correct ratings, but in all honesty, it does sound like you have something against slash, or at least that particular story. You’re absolutely obsessed with getting it removed, even to the point of copying the excerpt here, and really all you’re doing is worrying yourself into the ground over it, so take a deep breath, close your eyes, and let it go.

         
      • Blue-Inked Frost

        08/07/2012 at 3:41 am

        @Guest:

        Considering that this blog site would be assumed to be G-rated, it is a little inappropriate to be posting an excerpt from a story rated M on ff.net over here!

        I feel like stories which contain more of a plot and structure overall should be on ff.net, since adultfanfiction.net tends to be for the porn without plot. It’s often very hard to define the precise difference between adjacent story ratings, and it would be up to the site admins to decide whether a story violates the guidelines given the full context of the story and if and when the scene fades to black. I also find it slightly ‘off’ to try and recruit random people to spam ff.net reporting a particular story, especially when the rules criteria is ambiguous and it becomes “a mass group of vigilantes should report a story against my personal interpretation of the site rules” as against “people should report stories they individually consider against the rules, through the actual process that’s in place”. Some of ff.net’s rules are phrased in a way that makes the admins the only people who can really decide if a given story violates the guidelines, although visually graphic material and blatant plagiarism would be more clearcut cases.

         
      • RWFF

        08/07/2012 at 11:41 am

        Parents need to be bear some responsibility when it comes to their children. The computer has become today’s modern babysitter. There are software ‘safeguards/watchdogs’ you can have installed on a computer to monitor what your child is doing on a computer. What parent in their right minds would allow a 12-year-old to have a computer in their bedrooms? Computer should be where a parent can easily peek over the shoulder of their underage child.

        Its like some of the issues with cells phones. Teenager takes an inappropriate picture of themselves with their cell phone and then sends an inappropriate picture of themselves to others using the phone. First off, does the kid need a phone that takes pictures, unfortunately find one that doesn’t have that feature these days. Guess what, if my child took an inappropriate picture of themselves I’d take their cell phone aware.

        BTW I never saw a need for my kid ot have a cell phone. I see no reason to give him one. He has a part-time job now, let him pay for his own phone. Same with the computer. We have THREE computers in the house. The laptops are NOT allowed to go in his bedroom behind a closed door. He can use the computer anytime he wants. He knows if I find evidence that his is visiting sites he shouldn’t, I’ll just change the password and he’s SOL on using the computer.

        As far as MA content, I could take it or leave it. There are adult sites out there for those who want to write ‘porn’ stories.

        Part of the problem is it has become so convenient for parents to throw legal accountability onto others because of their own lack of providing parenting and guidence to their children. If your kid access porn on your computer, IMO that’s your fault as a parent for not monitoring your child’s activities. Bottom line, if a kid wants to access that content, they will no matter what safeguards a site puts into place. Sad thing, you’ll always have irresponsible parents suing sites for ‘allowing’ the content that their ‘little darling’ was able to view because they were able to hit the ‘Are you over 18′ button.

        DON’T ever use the excuse a parent may not be technically advanced because the first thing I’ll tell that parent either learn to use the computer or don’t buy one. Rather irresponsible for any parent to allow their child into a ‘world’ (the Internet) when they are ignorant about it themselves. Parents need to start doing their jobs and not depend on others such as teachers or society to do it for them.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/07/2012 at 3:22 pm

        Wow. It is nice that people assume that I am “guest” simply because one person jumped to the conclusion that I am “guest”, which I am not. It is also nice that people also assume I was trying to say that parents are not to blame at all, when I was trying to say we all share the blame, not just the parents.

        I’ll imphasize again the fact some kids are more intelligent about technollogy then their parents, or I should say they know how to get rid of the evidence of where they have been without their parents knowing they’ve done this. Parents have no control over their children finding ways to skirt the rules they’ve put into place unless they know their child is doing it. They also have no control over what stuff their kids will see at friends houses.

        I still hold that any person who knowingly posts MA material as M is to blame for a minor finding MA content, just as any person who knowingly posts M material as T is to blame for a minor finding M content. Every single person on this site should be able to trust those ratings, not just the parents and not just the people old enough to read said material.

        If a gaming company witholds information about MA material just to get its game an M rating it is held legally accountable for this action. If a game store sells MA material to a minor because they haven’t checked for ID they are held legally accountable. Providing MA material to a minor is illegal and can get you taken to court, and not civil court where you’re being sued either.

        You’ll be taken to criminal court. It doesn’t matter if it contains copyrighted material either, you can still be taken to court for providing MA material to a minor. LJ and DA have money to pay for laywers. affnet is protected by the fact it is an adult only site. ffnet does not have the money for laywers and it is a site that allows minors to use it.

        One court case would make it so that the site admins will not be able to afford to keep the site open and be bad for the fanfiction community which is already in the legal gray area. The only reason we haven’t seen a case is because one complaint from one parent ten years ago made ffnet decide to take the safe road on the issue.

        This isn’t just about site rules, it is actually about actual laws in place off the net. One warrent and ffnet is obligated to provide the IP adress of anyone whose posted MA material. I doubt any of you want to end up in court for what will amount to a lengthy court battle that could ruin the rest of your lives.

        @RWFF – On the issue of cell phones I think most kids don’t need a cell phone. I know of a few situations where a parent was single and had issues with the other spouse. The child had a cell phone for emergency purposes and knew full well it would be taken away if they abused their cell phone privlages. These cases aren’t the norm though.

        Also, from personal experience it isn’t always the parent, teacher or child’s fault that they’ve come across porn on the net. I decided on day to search for more information on a character for a particular fandom that there was little information on the web about. Someone from a porn site figured out that there wasn’t much information about this character and used the key words they KNEW a child would use to find more information on the character. Let’s just say I had a very unpleasant experience by clicking on one link. This is the reason I say placing the blame all on the parent is wrong. As good as a parents intentions are, there are things they can’t control.

         
      • Shawnesty

        08/07/2012 at 3:44 pm

        To Yemi Hikari: Please stop being a jerk. As far as I know, you’re not a site administrator, owner or otherwise involved with the running of this site, so please stop acting like it. It’s fine to share your thoughts with others on their posts, but you come off as rather a sanctimonious and self-righteous prig, like your opinion is the only correct opinion, and you spout off factoids and “rules” like some little know-it-all dictator wannabe. I find your responses often extremely disrespectful of the posters and as pointed out, you run along behind any post you don’t agree with or think that your high-and-mighty opinion will be accepted as ‘God’s word’ on and nip at the heels of anyone who doesn’t toe your party line. As far as sites getting sued by parents, I’ve never even heard of such a thing, too bad you couldn’t cite some examples to lend credibility to your claim, but then again token Gods like you don’t think they have to have credibility like the average joe does. You’re advocating across the board censorship and so okay, you and the mother that’s having the hissy over her kid seeing slash smut, you guys get the site all cleaned up of anything deemed offensive and inappropriate for children, and what’s next, someone getting offended because a story used the letter “T” or the word “blue” in it? Fact is, anything at any time can be offensive to certain people and it’s not the site’s goal to cater to special interest groups like that. If someone is offended, simply click the link closed and avoid the work in question.

        To the mother that’s having a conniption over her kid seeing the smut: Give it a rest already! My god, you’ve spammed nearly every blog post, whining that your child saw smut and so let me ask you where YOU were at when your kid saw it? Were you monitoring your child’s online activity or were you allowing her to police herself like so many parents do nowdays? Again, this comes down to it’s not the AUTHOR’S responsibility to child-proof their work, it’s up to the parents to make sure what their kids are engaging in online is appropriate for their age and comprehension level. I personally would not consider the Hawaii 5-0 fandom safe for a child to read it, so what were you doing allowing her to read in that fandom? The blame falls squarely on you, sugar, it’s up to YOU to enact rules or safeguards to protect your kid when she’s online and if she saw something on an M-rated site that she wasn’t supposed to be on to begin with, then it’s NOT the writer’s fault, it’s YOUR fault and your child’s fault, because she broke the rules and read where she didn’t belong and YOU weren’t monitoring her to make sure she was obeying you. And it’s my understanding that the site is actually not geared towards children under the age of 12, hence the ratings guideline, so parents shouldn’t be letting a child wander this site without watching over them themselves…that’s YOUR responsibility as a parent, you had the kid to begin with, NOT the writer, so it’s up to YOU to keep her safe until she’s 18, NOT society as a whole. Stop trying to shuck your duties as a parent onto the world to deal with and seriously, if the content on this site is so upsetting to you that you have to harass and obsess over a single story like you’re doing, maybe the best thing to do would be avoid the site entirely, huh? Because I can guarantee you that in ANY rating or genre, you’re going to find something that may be offensive, so the best thing to do is just stop reading on this site until both you and your child are mature enough to handle things.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/07/2012 at 4:54 pm

        So I’m a jerk for not wanting people to get in possible trouble with the law? No, I don’t know of any legal cases where someone was taken to criminal court for providing a minor with MA writing. However, I’m going to ask anyone if they really want to be the first case on this matter? Just because there hasn’t been a case doesn’t mean there won’t be one. We also don’t know of cases that haven’t been in the public eye either, unless we went digging through the mass amounts of law records. So isn’t it better to be cautious about this? Even aff recognizes this is a legal issue.

        And please stop attacking “guest”. They aren’t even here on this thread and stopped commenting on any thread past the one where they finally posted the link. Everyone has jumped to the conclusion that “guest” is actually posting to this thread which they are not. One person jumped to the conclusion that I must be “guest” and everyone else followed suit.

        It isn’t as if I’ve told anyone they can’t write MA material. I’m not wrong in saying people should be cautious about this as there ARE laws in place preventing minors from acessing certain material.

         
      • Blue-Inked Frost

        08/07/2012 at 5:21 pm

        @Yemi

        I don’t think I’m confusing you with ‘Guest’ by writing comments that begin ‘@Guest’, although this blog’s reply structure can be a bit confusing to navigate.

        If a gaming company witholds information about MA material just to get its game an M rating it is held legally accountable for this action. If a game store sells MA material to a minor because they haven’t checked for ID they are held legally accountable. Providing MA material to a minor is illegal and can get you taken to court, and not civil court where you’re being sued either.

        You’re missing a minor point here of what the rating process actually is. When people get their videogames or movies rated, they submit it to an ‘authoritative’ board. (Which can also be a subjective board of people – for example, there are concerns and statistics that violence is taken less seriously than sex, that female masturbation is automatically higher rated than male masturbation, and other issues.) When fics are rated on FF.Net, the process is done by the authors themselves. The only ‘authority’ here is what the site admins consider M versus MA. They make that decision when a fic is reported, by the process they’ve set up. I think it’s better to let them make the decision on a rule that’s somewhat subjective, rather than organise a mob to simultaneously report a story against a your personal interpretation of the site rules.

        Your explanation of FF.Net’s ratings as simply other names for the movie ratings is also inadequate. The point of using Fictionratings.com is because the MPAA rating system (designed for film, not text), is under copyright. So, to say that fictionratings.com is a thinly veiled copy of MPAA is accusing fictionratings.com of violating copyright. ;)

         
      • Suzie Webber

        08/07/2012 at 6:04 pm

        Whether it’s illegal (snicker) or not the fact is that there is a TON of MA written fics on this website and they don’t appear to be going away anytime soon. Just type in NC17, smut, adult into the search engine and see how many hits come up. People aren’t even trying to hide it. Heck, the biggest book of the year is an erotic novel that was originally a piece of fanfiction posted on this site. I’m curious if the administrators are going to ever really start puling these stories. At this point they’re probably just better off putting in an adult filter.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/07/2012 at 9:28 pm

        @ Blue-Inked Frost – At least one person assumed I was “Guest” though, another person thought “Guest” was actually commenting. You also brought up not quoting an excerpt from M rated stuff on a G-rated blog and directed it at that particular “Guest”. Unless of course there was a comment deleted over night that I am unaware of.

        As for my comment about the movie ratings, that was an answer to another part of the thread and that came up because someone wanted something to clarify the difference between T, M or MA. The only thing I could think of that everyone knows about was the movie rating system and I even admited that isn’t the best measure. Another rating system is the one used for Manga, where OT is the closest equivilent to M and M is the closest equivilent to MA. Less people are familiar with this rating system. And of course it goes without saying that one can’t give samples here.

        @ Suzie Webber – I’m quite sure the people who still have MA content on the site appreciate the fact you just gave the admins a very easy way to find MA content by typing “nc17″ and “smut” into the search engine so they can remove each and every single fanfic. Even though we can’t search for the word “smut” anymore the site admins still can. Even I knew why the people supporting the MA content being added didn’t bring this one up before.

         
      • ?????

        08/08/2012 at 11:57 pm

        I don’t know why people are screaming at the parent for not making sure she was watching what her kid was up to when the kid got on the internet- obviously she was as she caught the kid reading a MA story on ff.net. I don’t see that she is trying to get a mob to lynch the writer, nor has she has spammed every blog post as some are trying hard to make out- she was trying to get the attention of the admins after they have ignored her genuine concerns.

        The story the mother is talking about is not a M rated story on an M rated site- its MA rated – AND ff.net is NOT just an M rated site as some have stated in this thread, it is rated K-M not K-MA. So not only did the child break the rules- but so did the writer who clicked the TOS before the posted an MA rated story- but some people are completely ignoring that fact. Also click on All in the story selection and M rated stories come up as well as all of the other ratings- whose to say the child did not do that. I doubt kids look down at the rating in the summary.Also it takes only a few seconds for someone to click on a link. and as ff.net is rated K-M , most parents would not be alarmed when kids visit the site, especially when 13 yr olds are allowed to post here as well and the kid was 13 not younger as some seem to be saying she was.

        MA rated stories are NOT allowed on this site- so everyone who is screaming how dare the parent is complaining about MA stories being here – the parent has got a right to complain.I do find it sad that she felt she had to resort posting to the blog to try and get the attention of the admins. Each of you who are posting MA rated stories to this site, do so knowing you are breaking the site rules and then you scream when someone reports you for doing so, So where you carry on its the responsibility or the parent to watch what their kids are reading- yes you are right- parents have that responsibility but its double standards when writers don’t take responsibility for breaking the sites rules. It’s the writer’s responsibility to obey the sites rules and you agree to obey the site’s every time you post here by clicking the agreement. If you don’t like the rules either post elsewhere or ask ff.net to change them.

        You are happy to lay the blame a parent for bad parenting who has stated what happened and is saying what many have stated several times in this blog that ff.net admins ignore Abuse reports, even serious violations. But if the story had not been a MA rated story, she would have no legitimate reason to complain. Some of the blame also lies with ff.net for not enforcing their own TOS and with the writers who knowingly post MA here believe they can ignore the rules and no one should object.

        Before you all jump all over me because I dared to comment that the parent had a legitimate complaint- I am not opposed to MA rated stories but the real culprit in this is the ff.net admins themselves. They state in their TOS MA rated stories are not allowed, yet they happily turn a blind eye to them when they are posted -, causing problems like this. If they are going to allow MA rated stories to be posted- than do what many have already suggested – Make a page for them- have it aged verified- if the kiddies decide to still go ahead and read them than the parent has no complaint. if they dont want to have MA rated stories here- then remove them. It’s not fair to anyone the way it is at the moment and it is causing issues that will continue to be ongoing until they decide what the site’s stance is regarding MA stories,

         
      • Anon

        08/09/2012 at 5:57 pm

        You have describe the situation just right.

         
      • KH

        08/09/2012 at 4:11 pm

        @????: Actually the mother in question WAS spamming the blog threads in an attempt to get the site to take action and remove the story, along with trying to convince others to join her crusade against that single fic. It’s one thing to report a story as violating TOS via the abuse link, but it’s another to basically harangue every thread on the blog, even to the point of cutting and pasting the part of the story that contained the sexual content onto the blog, which is theoretically G-rated. So in essence, she committed the same crime she was accusing the writer of doing, disseminating MA material to a supposedly G-rated site. She’d previously included links and that was sufficient enough, there was no need for her to copy the story content itself in an attempt to coerce the site into taking action. In addition, she was basically harassing both the writer and the site, trying to get them to remove the story on her command. As others said, unless the site administrators deem a story offensive themselves, they’re not going to remove it. And the site is less likely to take action if they’re constantly bombarded by someone’s overwrought hysteria that their child read smut. Yes, it is the writer’s responsibility to make sure what they post here is not MA fics, but there’s where the grey line is at, what some consider MA may be nothing more than M-rated to others. So it’s up to the site administrators to determine the appropriateness of a story and whether it should be removed, NOT any single person who gets their panties in a wad because their kid read smut.

         
      • KH

        08/09/2012 at 7:09 pm

        @????: Whoa there, pal. Before you start condeming me for what I said to “guest”, let’s get something straight here. I do NOT write on this site, I do NOT post to ffnetrants on LJ, and in fact, I don’t write any stories, PERIOD, I’m just a plain old reader. So this (from your last rant): “All your actions do is make the admins more aware of the fact that writers like yourself happily break TOS {I read your own ‘pantie in a wad’ posts to ff.netrants on LJ about fears about your own ‘erotica’ stories posted here (your own words not mine) and your whining about the fact you got caught for posting a AN chapter here and how unfair it was } and post MA rated stories here and lose you support in your efforts to have MA stories posted here on a separate page.” ISN’T EVEN ME YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. So while you’re chewing my butt for my remarks, let me point out that you assume I’m someone on some site I’ve never even HEARD of, so hey, thanks for being a hypocrite, nice to know!

        As to my remarks to “guest”, they were NOT aimed at the mother who posted under that name, they were aimed at the person whose posts are between Yemi Hikari and LightningStruckTower27′s comments just above you. There were TWO people posting on here under that name, and it was the person I just described that I was responding to, NOT the mother that posted under guest, at least not the first time I commented. The second time, yes, I directed my remarks to her and again, for the record, she was NOT invited into this thread by anyone’s taunts, she showed up because she apparently spotted yet another opportunity to vent her obsessed frustration, and this time she managed to plop down the actual content of the story in order to try and get people outraged and on her side. She had many previous post responses in which she continued to whine like a spoiled child and you know, to continue harping or obsessing as she did on that story, it was extremely annoying because once she filed her initial abuse report over the inappropriate content, she should have left it up to the site to handle, rather than constantly popping up in various unrelated posts to spew how much she hated that story and wanted it removed from the site immediately. And as most know, the more a child whines about getting its way, the less likely adults are to listen, so she doomed her own battle by her constant complaints. That she got her rant that had the story content in it deleted tells you what the site thought of that little dire action of hers. So I reiterate, she was NOT brought into this thread by any taunts, my initial comments were NOT directed towards her but the other poster named “guest”, and the only reason she showed up was because she saw an ample opportunity to once again air her now-tired complaint.

        And by the way, you’re not fooling anyone ????, I suspect that due to the rather highly defensive, angry, and rabidly zealotish nature of your comments, you are the mother in question. Again, I say to you, let the matter drop because you’re not getting anywhere as far as getting the story pulled and maybe consider seeking some therapy over that obsession you have with the piece in question. So your daughter saw some smut, for heaven’s sake, get OVER it, it’s not the end of the world and it’s not like she witnessed a murder or other crime. And FYI, my original remarks aren’t considered belitting or taunting, I merely asked “Guest” (the first poster) if they were some kind of site administrator or watchdog wannabe, since they often showed up in tandem with Yemi Hikari to do a little belittling and harassing of their own to anyone that disagreed with them. And another FYI, “panties in a wad” is a fairly common saying, just because I used it doesn’t mean I’m the person you’re accusing me of being over on LJ that’s ranting over erotica and getting it deleted. So to reiterate once more on THAT little hissy fit harangue of yours, I’m NOT the person you’re thinking I am on LJ, I do NOT write stories or post on any site, I’m merely a reader, but I appreciate you for outing yourself as the hypocrite you are. And I’m sure you WILL continue reading, by the very nature of your temper tantrum tells me you will be checking back to see what I’ve said in response to you.

         
      • MaBelleAmi

        08/09/2012 at 8:19 pm

        To ?????~Sweetie, you just outed yourself as the mother that keeps ranting about her kid reading a smutfic on the site. How do I know? By the fact that the way you type is similiar to the mother’s constant barrage of complaints on the previous threads, but mostly by this little statement in your last little hissy fit post: “Also it takes only a few seconds for someone to click on a link. and as ff.net is rated K-M , most parents would not be alarmed when kids visit the site, especially when 13 yr olds are allowed to post here as well and the kid was 13 not younger as some seem to be saying she was.” <<–how would you KNOW the kid was 13 unless you were the mom? I also think you're the mom in question because of your remark that you can't be bothered to read on this blog any longer, and I'm guessing that's because you're finally getting called out on your bully tactics and people are getting sick of seeing you constantly whinging about your child seeing smut, so because you figure you can't get people to join in on your single minded crusade, you're now going to take all your toys and leave the sandbox since you didn't get that lynch mob formed like you wanted. I understand that it's frustrating when it seems like site administrators aren't responding to your complaint, but please understand that they get thousands of complaints each day and cannot drop everything to respond to one single person's obsessed outrage. The more you harass the site with your complaints, the more likely you are to get them ignored. So, you've said your piece several times and now it's time to let the matter go and move on with your life, okay?

         
    • alixe75

      08/07/2012 at 9:33 am

      I support the idea of ​​allowing the post ffnet more mature stories (some are very very good) and make a stronger filter (MA only for people connected and alert window, for example) …

      * Because the adult themes and mature texts are part of the literature

      * Because it would solve much of the current major problem of MA texts published with M rating

      * Because the actual M and MA mixed is not good either for teens who do not learn to make the difference between the 2 ratings, nor for adults who do not always want to read this kind of text (but sometimes like to do)

      * Because anfictionnet is the largest publishing site of fanfiction and it is discriminatory not to be able to publish texts commonly found in books (we speak of MA, not X). It is normal that you apply the rules that you have enacted, but it is also good that you can take into account the age and maturity of a big part of the readers – within the law and with a sense of responsibility we must have as authors and publishers

       
      • alixe75

        08/07/2012 at 9:40 am

        In addition : it’s very hard to know exactly what is T, M or MA. It is obvious to some stories and for others not at all. To have some exemple with publish books would be nice and help a lot.

        And would somebody be able to answer this question : what is “adult theme” ?

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/07/2012 at 3:58 pm

        I’m not sure if it is legally a good idea, considering the laws about providing MA material to minors.

        *Yes, but that doesn’t change the laws about MA material. A lot of public libraries select not to have any MA material in their libraries because they do not want to have to deal with verifying someones age.
        *Another sollution is to post on aff and other such sites. The reason people post MA content here is because they want a bigger audience or aren’t willing to go look for such sites. Or, they’re under eighteen and aren’t old enough to have an account on the site. Legally speaking a minor is not supposed to be accessing MA material.
        *It is illegal to provide a minor with MA material.
        *Certain publishing companies don’t publish MA material at all or they have a completly seperate division/imprint for publishing these books exclusivly. If we are to treat ffnet like a publishing company then it is just as easy to say that there are other places to go to publish the MA material. Also, I thought the X rating is a defunct rating…

        As for your question of what constitutes those ratings, the best way to put it and keep it G is to use the movies we go and see as standards. If you don’t see it in an PG-13 movie then it isn’t T and if you don’t see it in an R rated movie then it isn’t M. This isn’t the best way to put it though.

        I’m not sure how to explain adult themes. The best way I can think of putting it is it is anyting that you would feel uncomfortable elaborating about with a minor. It’s stuff you won’t want to give kids without a good long discussion. Something like that.

         
      • konarciq

        08/07/2012 at 6:15 pm

        Yemi: going by movie ratings isn’t very helpful, considering how highly different things are rated in different countries. My Star Trek TOS dvd’s have something like four different national ratings listed on them: ranging from G to 16+ on the same discs!

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/07/2012 at 8:19 pm

        @konarciq – As I said, it was the best explanation I could come up with without going into detail that I can’t on this blog. I’ll note though it is better to go by the American standards for this rather then any other countries because ffnets servers are located in America.

         
    • anon

      08/07/2012 at 5:14 pm

      I think that adding an MA rating is a terrible idea. This isn’t a porn site, after all, and those who want to read that kind of material should go find it elsewhere.

      I would also like to add that maintaining the ban on MA content isn’t simply for the sake of minors. I happen to be an adult and have absolutely NO desire to see any MA content. Believe it or not, but there are actually adults out there who don’t want to be exposed to that sort of thing.

      Perhaps I’m a prude, but MA rated content does NOT belong on the site.

       
      • Genevive

        08/07/2012 at 6:51 pm

        @anon: That’s why M-rated stuff is on a separate page from the K-T rated fics, it’s not visible on the main page so that general readers don’t see it when they pull up a fandom. And just because you don’t like M to MA rated fics means sites can’t offer them, you cannot conform the art of writing to your specific and self-stated prudish standards. If you don’t like M or MA rated fics, simply don’t read them. That’s like forcing yourself to eat pickles, even if you know you don’t like pickles.

        @Yemi: Yes, you do come off as a bit of a priggish smart aleck, with an answer to everything under the sun on here. As to conforming fics to MPAA ratings, that doesn’t translate well because movies are rated primarily on VISUAL content and how graphic it is (i.e.; violence, sexual acts), whereas trying to cram literary works into that kind of rating system is harder to do, because you’re not actually SEEING anything in front of you, you’re just reading it. So ratings even determined by the site is very ambiguous because what one person considers appropriate for a T rating may actually require an M rating, so literally it’s in the eye of the beholder. I actually get the whole legal angle you’re foisting upon us, and yes it may be illegal to distribute MA materials to a minor, but most that write M or MA fics are targeted to adults, I have yet to see any writer purposely writing smut and forcing it onto a five year old. Unless a person KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY distributes such materials to under-18 kids with the express knowledge that such actions ARE illegal, most sites or other venues cannot be held accountable, even in criminal court, if a child accesses the product because most are not aimed at kids, they’re aimed at adults, so it would be assumed that only adults would be reading/viewing the content. And again, it’s going to fall ultimately to the parents being responsible for what their kids are doing because society as a whole cannot censor itself and everything around it so that the world is safe for kids. Last time I checked, children were not running the world and we do live in a democracy that practices many inalienable rights, including freedom of expression.

        As to the lynch mob mentality trying to rid the site of MA fics, it’s fine to report such stories to the site, but be aware that if the site feels such stories are permissible, it’s not going to do any good to keep hassling the site to pull a story. If something has a parent so inflamed, why not contact the writer and ask them to tone the work down? And again, this goes back to it was the mom’s responsibilty to make sure what her kid was reading was appropriate, NOT society. I have kids of my own and you know what? They don’t get cell phones and they don’t keep computers in their rooms. Yes, they both have laptops, but when they do homework or surfing on the net, they do it in the dining room, where I or my husband keep an eye on them at all times. We have safeguards and filters installed on the computers and we also track where the kids have been at online. If one of them accesses something not appropriate for them, I certainly don’t go after the site and nag that it needs to be taken down, I discipline the kid because they’re the one that broke the rule and got into something they weren’t supposed to do. That’s my job as a parent, but it’s amazing how many people on here don’t seem to get that, they’re happy dumping their kids off onto society to raise, then they piss and moan when their child has seen a smutfic, which in my estimation was pretty mild. Bottom line is, it’s always and I repeat, ALWAYS the parents’ responsibility to monitor their kids’ viewing/reading habits, NOT the rest of the world.

         
      • alixe75

        08/08/2012 at 4:16 am

        MA is not porn. Only one suggestive love/violent scene make a story MA, even if the rest of the story is romance and aventure. This sort of stories desserve to be published. To allow MA is not to allow porn.

        I do not worship the MA stories, but I respect this literature and some are so good that it really deserve to be on this site. I note that the current ban brings the MA stories to be published in M and it bothers me much, for teenagers and for me, as adult but who wants to choose what I read as a function of time.

        Accepting and managing the MA will solve the problem. Experience shows that the refusal is not at all effective. This is probably due to the society, what we use to see all around. It is normal that it comes out in our writings. The responsible approach is not to ignore it but to accept it and deal with it properly.

        I don’t leave in the USA but I really doubt that some library can have no books containing ONE scene of explicit violence or sex. Except children library. But fanfiction.net is not for children, but for teenager over 13 and adults.

         
      • Blue-Inked Frost

        08/08/2012 at 7:36 am

        On the M versus MA issue, I like the way that FF.Net gears itself to a wide audience range. Officially banning the NC-17 stories discourages stories that are pure erotica or pure gore and violence, like those on adultfanfiction.net. Not that writers who like these stories are bad or that erotica can never have artistic value, but I like to read stories about adventures and stories with plot. However, when stories are clearly rated and labeled, readers will rarely stumble into inappropriate content by accident.

        On the other hand, alixe75 and Genevive bring up the points that stories can have adventure and plot as well as moments of some sexuality and violence, and these stories are not necessarily the stories that belong on adultfanfiction.net. The difference between M and MA can be subtle, and writers of M stories can feel worried that someone will try to froth up multiple abuse reports against them even if they’ve posted an M story in good faith. I hope that all people who report stories try to be responsible and let the admin do their jobs.

        The reasons why FF.Net decided, some years ago, to institute the ban and to continue it are the site owners’ province, and speculating on their reasons here seems irresponsible.

        I also think it’s not relevant to bring up general statements like “democracy” or “freedom of speech” or “inalienable rights”–these things are lovely political ideas, but they don’t really apply in the context of a privately owned website. ;) I would hate to see FF.Net become less inclusive, because the way it is a low-moderated archive and accepts stories from such a huge range of fandoms make it such an interesting wide-open place, but saying it like that is more relevant than bringing up political rights.

         
      • alixe75

        08/08/2012 at 12:09 pm

        I agree with Blue-Inked Frost, banning MA on fanfiction.net is NOT a violation of free speech. It is a choice that webmaster is free to do.

        But I think that a dialogue between authors / readers and the site administrators would be useful. The last action of erasing stories was very poorly understood, although it was only the simple application of the guideline. But the way it was conducted was very clumsy and was seen as brutal and unjust

        I am for clear and well enforced rules. But this rules must :

        - be well explained: the difference between T, M, MA is elusive, especially for non-US author

        - be realistic: you can’t refuse avery love scene or explicit violence while much of readers are between 16 and 25. Just read the stories published to realise it. The pure repression does not work.

        - also be pragmatic. For now, the M and MA are mixed, so that young people do not learn to tell the difference. So, the result is the opposite of what the rule was made for.

        Accepting and managing the MA can be done while applying the rules of youth protection and continuing to discourage purely sexual histories without a script, or unnecessary gore or unhealthy stories. I think it would be more useful to focus on it, but to prohibit the description of sexuality or violence that serve the text (page protected).

         
      • Genevive

        08/08/2012 at 2:51 pm

        I was one that brought up the freedom of expression argument and I apologize if it was misinterpreted, I worded it a bit ambiguously myself. I know websites have the right to refuse to publish or post materials they feel are offensive, I didn’t mean that in itself was a violation of freedom of expression, what I was aiming at was the overall attitude of some of the posters on here who seemed to want to censor authors PERIOD, whether it was in fanfiction, novels, poetry, etc., simply because they don’t like to read certain kinds of stories. I got the distinct impression that some of the commenters on here would be happy if their personal standards of what constitutes proper writing were applied to all types of works in a nationwide censorship attempt of ALL creative attempts, hence my argument that we live in a democracy that allows freedom of expression and protects an individual’s creative rights, even if they’re distasteful or offensive (such as the Westboro Baptist Church fanatics). So no, when I introduced that idea, I didn’t mean that the site itself cannot refuse to publish works that go against TOS or ratings, they have that right as owners of the site, I just meant that anyone trying to force their own individual ideals onto the nation as a whole were violating the freedom of expression rights.

         
      • alixe75

        08/12/2012 at 4:42 pm

        Genevive, I am more in agreement with this interpretation. It is true that the guideline have to define what is allowed or not, and not to other registrants. This is why I wish the rules are clearer and administrators be a more understandable.

        Besides, if I reacted, is that I have read many times the argument of freedom of expression, but in its original meaning.

         
  10. Caity

    08/07/2012 at 12:09 am

    I really miss being able to sort by Category!

     
  11. Cassie1234

    08/07/2012 at 12:22 am

    Oh yes! I was kinda freaked when I cannot sort my story alert the other day. Thank you.

    Can we sort Author Alert by their latest story update too? Please?

     
  12. Longing to Write

    08/07/2012 at 12:49 am

    I hate having my alerts on multiple pages! I also miss being able to sort by title or author. The new format is frustrating for those of us who follow a lot of stories. Please go back to a single page format!

    What I would like to see is something on the story alert page to tell me which ones are complete – it would make picking what to read next and cleaning up the list easier.

     
  13. Bivi

    08/07/2012 at 12:59 am

    Will all sorting functionality on alert/favorite lists come back after you’ve worked out the issues with the new selection system? I don’t see why you’d remove them permanently. Everyone sorts things differently, and it would be really inconvenient, and not to mention kind of really mean, to have given us that many options and then limit them.

    I am also of the mindset of wanting the pages to go away and just having a full list of my alerts and favorites. Sorting is so much easier that way. Perhaps at the very least an option to toggle or something?

     
  14. Elsabeth

    08/07/2012 at 1:00 am

    I, too, miss sorting by category (and name, and author). I also preferred the layout where the sort was instantiated by clicking on the column. A drop down menu is clunky, as is having the story list broken into pages. Typically I use the favorites list to quickly find a story I want to re-read or check for updates on, which means being able to scan one page (with small font, and small row spacing) is of elemental importance. Thanks for continuing development though!

     
  15. gategirl7

    08/07/2012 at 1:24 am

    Thanks for all your work updating and sharing those updates recently.
    I am going to throw my vote in for restoring the alerts to one page and restoring all sorting functions. I tend to sort by different columns depending on what story I’m looking for.
    Thanks for listening!

     
    • Anon

      08/08/2012 at 10:36 pm

      This! I don’t like not being able to sort by category because that is how I used my favorites list when I was looking for a certain fanfic.

       
  16. Donny Sterbinszky

    08/07/2012 at 1:36 am

    Nice that things get fixed slowly. All we need now is the link color change when visited at the forums back. I mean the color of the author’s name at the posts when you look at them in the forum. i cant really tell which one i read already when i quickly scan over the posts in a forum. Can we have that back as well?

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/07/2012 at 1:56 am

      It is easier to create new coding than to go and find a bug in line after line of coding.

       
  17. ShikiKira

    08/07/2012 at 1:55 am

    Can we have the old format and sorting for favorites and alerts back? That would solve a lot of problems for this little update. Or if you have to update it, why don’t you just add all of the former sortings back into new one or even combine the two together? Meaning to have as only one page for all of the alerts/favorites with the new way to select list sorting. You would receive a lot less complaints.

    Can we also have the old font, Verdana, back too? Arial is a lot smaller and blurrier to read than Verdana is. Can we also have all the links change colors too instead of just the story?

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/07/2012 at 1:58 am

      They likely disabled the sorting feature so they could build the new system from the ground up. If their is a glitch as they’re slowly adding stuff back in then when it is reported it is going to be easier to figure out they need to go in the coding to fix it.

       
      • ShikiKira

        08/07/2012 at 2:10 am

        Probably, but it doesn’t mean they had to separate everything into separate pages nor does it stop everyone from complaining about how much they hate it.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/07/2012 at 1:33 pm

        @ShikiKira – Actually, they did need to put it into seperate pages to impliment the delete feature. The best way to put it is, I was in the Redwall fandom when the anonymous spammer went around leaving 10,000 reviews on the fanfics that just updated. The longer the list, the longer it will take to load. The longer it takes to load the more likely it is to glitch despite the admins best intentions. Load problems aren’t issues with coding either, it deals with how much the server and a computer can handle datawise.

         
  18. ShikiKira

    08/07/2012 at 2:13 am

    Can we also re-add the page jumping feature? I know it’s been years since you took that away, but I think that way of selecting/changing pages was better than the way it is currently. Also, please put the page selector/changer back to both the top and bottom. It’s a little annoying to have to always go to the bottom of the page just to go to the next one when you already know that what you want isn’t there.

     
  19. Ajaa

    08/07/2012 at 3:28 am

    Can you add sort by catagory, because thats one of the ways I like to find stories in my favorites?

     
  20. Sapphy

    08/07/2012 at 3:56 am

    Really hating the new sorting. I liked being able to sort my favorites in a variety of ways.

     
  21. HarryPotterEncyclopedia24

    08/07/2012 at 4:35 am

    This may be irrelevant to the subject, but I constantly wished that the authors were able to group the stories, that is, making series of stories. I myself am planning to write many sequels for a story I started, but then I have to say it’s a sequel to this story on my profile, or in the summary. So I wish there was a new feature enabling authors to add sequels of a story that tells on the profile it’s a continuing fanfiction of the previous one. Hope it’s clear enough. Thank you!

     
  22. Deb

    08/07/2012 at 4:37 am

    Please please please bring back the old format of sorting favorites and alerts as I always sort via category, and being able to just click on a column to quickly sort was much easier than using a drop down list. Having multiple pages also makes things harder than before when all the links were on one page.

     
  23. Miau

    08/07/2012 at 4:55 am

    Can you please return the sort updates/favorites to the way it was? The new way is most irritating since I cannot search alphabetically, by category or from “lowest to highest”. I do not care much for the pages, bu it would be nice if you could choose how many stories to display on one page.

     
  24. TripWire-dono

    08/07/2012 at 5:17 am

    AAAWWWW MAN! I really miss the Story Alert to sort by Update date option. it was so much easier to find out which story had duh, updated. Since that option is gone, I have to go through all the number on the dates to find out which one updated since the last time it was updated which is IMPOSSIBLE because I can’t remember the last time I read it, which could be months… Please bring it back!

     
  25. Ranchoth

    08/07/2012 at 5:28 am

    Indeed…this new favorites sorting system is cumbersome and limited. I very politely hope and request that it’s restored to something closer resembling the old system in function soon.

     
  26. baba

    08/07/2012 at 5:45 am

    I would like to have all the old favorites options back , it was so much better than thiss crapp now.

     
  27. louwho12

    08/07/2012 at 9:15 am

    Your old sorting structure was much better. Why can we no longer sort by author? Many of us will really miss this feature. And why is your default sort the “added” date? That is the least useful column of all, and the one most people use the least for sorting. Either the update date or alphabetical by story should be the default, these are the most commonly used.

     
    • Raven

      08/08/2012 at 4:02 am

      “Why can we no longer sort by author?”

      I have to agree on this. Most of the time I sort by Authors because my f-list includes a lot fanfictions by the same Authors. It has make it easier for me to find the one I’m looking for. I would like the option back.

       
  28. Chris

    08/07/2012 at 9:15 am

    Thanks for adding sort by update date. The page was broken without it. I suggest that be the default sort order rather than date added. I use sort by update date (most recent) whenever I visit the page. Intuitively, I assume most people do. I use sort by title and author much less frequently and sort by date added infrequently.

    I look forward to having sort by title and author returned and I would like an option to get the full list with sort options to aid quick browsing. Having the partial list as default when sorting by updated date (most recent first) is fine and that’s the vast majority of my usage. If the full list is not an option (or even if it is) perhaps the page selection could be available at both the top and bottom of the page.

    I’d be happy if this page only offered sort by update date and the old page was available as a “full list” option. That would offload sorting from the server (on my iPad I notice how long it takes to sort the current page clicking on update date to first sort in ascending order and then descending).

    While I’m making suggestions I’ll repeat an earlier suggestion that a link to the most recent chapter be provided – either make the update date a link or change the title to link to the last chapter instead of the first. This would avoid spurious accesses to the first chapter or profile now needed to reach the new chapter.

    The monster list (>10k was it?) reference in the last blog notice blew me away. I hope your not making interface design decisions based on such an extreme outlier.

     
  29. Eraser Bitz

    08/07/2012 at 10:00 am

    Thank you for this. But, is there some way we could delete accounts of our free will? I accidently made a new account (stupid, I know), and I’m wishing to delete it, but as far as I know, there’s not a way to delete an account…

     
    • ShikiKira

      08/07/2012 at 12:10 pm

      There isn’t a way to delete it. Each account made is a permanent addition to the site. Just disable your email for the account.

       
    • Guest

      08/07/2012 at 9:27 pm

      You can try to e-mail support and request the account be deleted. This is the only way I’m aware of to close an account. With the amount of mail they get, it may be awhile before it’s done.

      ShikiKira’s suggestion is probably the easiest and quickest way to get rid of your account. Delete everything (stories, favorites, etc.) and assign it a throwaway e-mail address.

       
  30. Saskia17

    08/07/2012 at 10:44 am

    Will you be bringing back the option to sort by author? please? I have a long list and it’s nearly impossible to find anything sorting otherwise.

     
  31. Marcus S Lazarus

    08/07/2012 at 11:37 am

    I preferred the original system where all favourites were on one page and automatically sorted alphabetically; this new version is just ridiculously complicated to search through, as far as I’m concerned.

     
  32. Vixen

    08/07/2012 at 12:01 pm

    You guys should have a Sort By Catagory/Author thing as well. 8/ Or heres a good idea! Don’t mess with things that don’t need fixing.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/07/2012 at 1:29 pm

      Actually, it needed to be fixed. Deleting one story from my favorites or alerts at a time was painful. They then had to rebuild the thing from the ground up because of the way coding works and to make sure they could catch gltiches as they showed up.

       
  33. mouse

    08/07/2012 at 12:30 pm

    i want the original method for sriting my favs back because this new method sucks it adds more useless work when a simple click on 1 of the section titles was all that was needed and because of this new method instead of having all my favs on a single page its not spread, rather stupidly over 2 pages since it put a whopping 8 stories on this new page and since i have never gotten a proper ‘this story has been updated’ msg from ff.net in all the years iv been using the site checking my fav stories has been the only way iv had to know if a story was updated so thanks for screwing it up for no good reason

     
  34. Emma

    08/07/2012 at 12:36 pm

    I liked the old way better, where everything was on one page and I could organize my favorites by category. Now it’s all messy and very annoying.

     
  35. 1Serenity

    08/07/2012 at 1:09 pm

    What about Catagory and Name? It was so much better before.

     
  36. Aida Hwedo

    08/07/2012 at 1:35 pm

    Will you please bring back the ability to sort my alerts and favorites by category. As it is now I’m having trouble finding certain stories in my Favorites because I can no longer search by Author or by Category. Please bring back that feature.

     
  37. TraceyUK

    08/07/2012 at 4:16 pm

    I totally agree with ‘Longing to Write’s’ comments. The new favourite’s page format is just the worst. Even with the addition of ‘sort by update’, the list does not come out in alphabetical order. I also hate having it spread over multiple pages. You really need to listen to your customers and return it to what they want, not what you’d like.

     
    • RWFF

      08/07/2012 at 9:25 pm

      I’m an alphabetical person myself.

       
  38. Larry

    08/07/2012 at 5:45 pm

    The sort does not work on the story alert pages.

     
  39. csp4 (Cindy)

    08/07/2012 at 7:15 pm

    This is by far the biggest waste of time of any of the upgrades done to date! Why fix something that’s not broken? I’m assuming that ff.net will eventually include sorting for authors in the favorite stories section. With the new way favorite stories is set up, there’s only 1 way (A to Z) to sort instead of 2 (A to Z plus Z to A). So far this upgrade is actually a downgrade. This is not a gripe it’s a stated truth:(

     
  40. GatorLHA

    08/07/2012 at 8:20 pm

    My story alerts will not sort in any way or fashion, these updates are making things worse.

     
  41. Mar

    08/07/2012 at 9:59 pm

    the old system was WAY better

     
  42. ReizaChan

    08/07/2012 at 10:40 pm

    Just return the option to search by category and I will like it.

     
  43. Kerry Mayne-Matias

    08/07/2012 at 10:54 pm

    ugghhh, not happy with how my favorite stories page works now. my ipad hates the drop down sort menu (i have to enlarge the page to click the ‘correct’ setting, or else it selects the wrong one, then reduce the page to see it again), it takes way more effort now.
    In the previous version the columns were easy to click on and sort, now i have to pull down a menu and often in my desire to quickly access what I want and need i am selecting the wrong thing.
    This change seems like its taken the site back to the 90s in manuverability and ease of use.
    I am quite sure that eventually I will get used to the changes, unfortunately I just don’t find them remotely beneficial to site usage.

     
  44. Grey

    08/07/2012 at 11:45 pm

    Any chance we could get an option to ‘follow’ a type of fanfiction category. Ie Harry Potter. So that we can recieve alerts when a new story is added to a fandom?

     
    • Guest

      08/08/2012 at 11:54 am

      Great suggestion. :) This would be a feature I’d use!

       
    • konarciq

      08/08/2012 at 3:29 pm

      That’s a nice idea!

       
  45. Tes

    08/08/2012 at 12:46 am

    Hello,

    If possible, can sorting by category please be added? That is the only way I sort my alerts and favorite stories.

    Thank you.

     
  46. HoneyandChai

    08/08/2012 at 4:57 am

    I don’t mind the new style (it more organized and I like that), but can you please bring “sort by category” back? I find/read stories based off their category more so then author.

    Please and Thank You.

     
    • HoneyandChai

      08/08/2012 at 4:59 am

      *it’s*

       
  47. Deceptive-Abyss

    08/08/2012 at 1:53 pm

    Could you reinstall the ‘sort by catogory’ please. It’s much easier to find/read stories by catogory.

     
  48. Anonymous

    08/08/2012 at 2:24 pm

    I personally think the old sorting style was more convenient. Also, where’s “Sort by Category”?

     
  49. Glyndwr

    08/08/2012 at 8:05 pm

    While I admit to disliking the new style, I would probably be happier if the new lists contained sort by Title, Author, and Category filters.

     
  50. Vicky soe (@v1cky84)

    08/08/2012 at 9:46 pm

    I like the old sorting style better. Would love to be able to sort by title, author & category as well. Thanks

     

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