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Forum Posts and Spammers

28 Feb

Advertising spammers are common place on the net but thanks to our deterrent technology and policies built into the submission system, both FanFiction and FictionPress have been void of most these problems.

However, these con artists love to attack the weakest point in the system and the forums are now a prime target due to its free-flow, self-regulated nature.

From now on, when our system admins ban a user, all his/her forum posts will be hidden by default but still viewable after clicking on an “unsafe for viewing” warning label. This way, we remove 99% of their harm while still maintaining a track record of their existence for evidence.

We also need your help to rid of these zombie creatures in the future. If you are a forum admin and encounter advert spam, please email support with a “[advertising spam]” subject tag.

 
37 Comments

Posted by on 02/28/2013 in Uncategorized

 

37 responses to “Forum Posts and Spammers

  1. The Rocker

    02/28/2013 at 6:28 am

    I liked the idea, but it’d be much better if the system admin removes all the post by the ‘banned’ zombie. They are merely spam.

    Anyways, you got it. But please don’t neglect or overlook these spam reports submitted. We, as site users, will try our very best to get rid of these retard creatures off the site.

     
  2. holmes4ever

    02/28/2013 at 6:33 am

    Good job, guys, but how about looking at the stories I reported and taking them down?

     
    • Lucy Labrador

      02/28/2013 at 7:05 am

      I agree with that. When the rule breakers just don’t listen to warnings, I result to the report button. Sadly, these stories go undeleted. Sometimes they’re deleted within a day, others seem to go ignored.

       
    • Jeremy Noel

      03/06/2013 at 5:06 am

      They probably did look into it, but that doesn’t mean they have to take it down. Believe it or not, you aren’t the universal dictator whose opinion decides which story is worthy of remaining viewable. Fanfiction.net promotes free thinking, so few stories are taken down regardless of your obsessive and stupid reporting.

       
  3. A.J. Goode

    02/28/2013 at 6:44 am

    Thanks for all your hard work. This should really help!

     
  4. Amy

    02/28/2013 at 6:44 am

    How about organizing forums in a better way than post count? That’s like organizing stories based on review-count as a default. All the popular ones are RPG forums. The rest lay forgotten. As with other sites, forums should be organized based on most-recent post. I feel ff.net has the potential to be a popular forum site, as with anifreak.

     
    • nowistand

      02/28/2013 at 8:05 pm

      But here’s the thing Amy, FF/FP aren’t forum sites, their sites to publish your writing to for free in the attempt to share them with the world and hopefully improve. They’re not about forums, though those are a nice touch. I agree though, but perhaps it’d be better if we had a way of filtering out RPs instead.

       
  5. While

    02/28/2013 at 8:40 am

    I’ve noticed that the avatars aren’t showing up again on my profile. Is this because the new image covers are still going into effect?

     
  6. jenna

    02/28/2013 at 9:41 am

    Its now the end of february and there still hasn’t been a ‘big surprise’, whats it supposed to be?
    I doubt anything thats been done this month- eg the ‘bigger image covers’ will count as a big surprise.

     
  7. Whirly

    02/28/2013 at 10:21 am

    Surprise!?

     
  8. Anna

    02/28/2013 at 10:45 am

    How about answering my emails from half of a year ago (and other peoples from longer than that) about all the real person fiction kiddies who “spam” the archives, both the Misc. and specific ones? I have begged and pleaded and yet they still go unanswered. Yet you’re going to go after a few spammers who target only the most popular popular forums? I’ve seen them, I don’t like it, but you need to get rid of all the real person fiction that continues to clog up the archives (that I have complained about for months and sent several emails about), compared to just a few spammers who target only a few forums, the popular ones.

    What is it going to take? I cannot wrap my head around why my and other peoples emails continue to go unanswered, yet you have the time to focus on frivolous things like making stories covers bigger?

     
    • Alaverat

      02/28/2013 at 11:55 am

      Possibly the staff think commercial advertising is a real annoyance or possible threat, and ‘real person fiction kiddies’ are trivial? It certainly sounds life a fuss about nothing to me.

       
      • yemi hikari

        02/28/2013 at 3:16 pm

        I don’t think it is the commercial advertising they’re worried so much about, but the potential links to sites containing malware. Nobody wants a virus on their computer, so in comparison the rule breaking fanfics are a trivial issue if you look at it that way.

         
    • Amy

      02/28/2013 at 1:35 pm

      The site is full of incoherent/crappy stories, and you’re complaining about that? Is that even unallowed? Why not just ignore it, or should the ff.net staffers scour the site for stories with original characters and make sure it’s not just the author trying to inject himself into it? Petty thing to complain about. Like any story you’re not inclined to read, skip over it.

       
      • yemi hikari

        02/28/2013 at 3:34 pm

        This isn’t an issue of the stories being incoherent or crappy, some of them are actually well written. The complaint has to do with the fact this site is not for posting original fiction and it is not for posting stories involving famous people who can not be considered a historical character. The only thing petty about Anna’s complaint was the fact she complained about the fact the site admins were making updates to the site. The situation is so bad that it is impossible to ignore. It’s page after page of stuff that isn’t supposed to be on this site that buries the stuff that is supposed to be there. Hows that fair to the writers and the readers who are trying to obey the site rules? It isn’t.

         
    • yemi hikari

      02/28/2013 at 3:14 pm

      Yes… taking care of RPF is more important then taking care of spammers who post links to webpages that could possibly download some kind of malware onto someones computer. I’m not saying that the RPF issue isn’t a serious issue mind you, but perhaps you should stop and thing about this from the perspective of the admins and why they had to move this up to a higher priority level then the rule breaking fanfics.

      The other thing you should stop and think about is how much time the admins actually spend on these frivilous things you’re complaining about. For example, the time it would take someone to program the change to make story covers bigger is only enough time to make a small dent in the rule breaking fanfics on the site, such a small dent I might add that it would go unnoticed. Everyone knows that the site admins have been working for some time on a major update to the site and that they have been focusing their attention on that. So be patient just a bit longer.

       
      • tbww

        03/03/2013 at 11:37 pm

        Perhaps volunteers shluld be posted to somehow filter and watch incoming fics in the begging of thd day and remove them. I find having to moderate and approve fics ruining the sense of imsgination but always having some peiple watch them comr in, especially in the big fandoms, woulld lower a.ount of relports since theyre taken care of.

         
  9. Anna

    02/28/2013 at 11:10 am

    Look at this. This is what the Misc. categories have come to.

    http://www.fanfiction.net/misc/Misc-Tv-Shows/

    http://www.fanfiction.net/misc/Misc-Plays-Musicals/

    http://www.fanfiction.net/misc/Misc-Books/

    Now. how many stories on just the first page are actually relevant to the categories? How many of them are not real person/original fiction?

    I am not writing that many individual abuse reports for all of those offenders. I post links in the emails, a much faster and easier way to report, and yet they continue to go unanswered, for half of a year

    Abuse reports on stories that don’t get reported in this window of time, within the first day of publishing, still go unanswered, and I get no response on whether this is a glitch or just the way the report abuse system works.

    But it’s so important for story covers to be made bigger when we place our mouse cursor over them.

     
    • yemi hikari

      03/01/2013 at 12:01 am

      I’ll say this again. The particular update involving the cover art involved minor programming. The time spent programming this would have been minute and they wouldn’t have been able to make any form of dent in the reports. Everyone knows that the site admins are working on a rather large update and everyone knows that reports being handled has been slow. Everyone whose been on the site for a long time knows that it can take six months to a year for reports to be handled at a time, but they do eventually get handled. Updating the site even if the updates are minor is just as important as taking care of the rule breakers. Sometimes they will focus on one more then the other. That’s the way it works.

      I also don’t think it is a glitch that the stories reported within twenty-four hours are getting taken care of while the others are not either. The time frame that this started correlates with the time frame a spammer hit the site to the point it ended up being mentioned in one of the blog entries. While the site admins can wait to get to the reports dealing with non-spammers until they are done with the major update they have to nip spam posters as soon as possible as they will keep doing it until they are stopped.

       
    • Alaverat

      03/01/2013 at 9:16 am

      You must be very young to be this impatient. And intolerant. And controlling.
      Whatever.
      Try to remember that one person’s abuse is another person’s creative innovation.
      Aren’t the staff all volunteers? Maybe they have different –not better or worse, just different– priorities.

       
      • Alaverat

        03/02/2013 at 10:58 am

        So why didn’t this reply adjoin the OP I was replying to?

         
      • yemi hikari

        03/02/2013 at 3:10 pm

        I’m not sure which post you’re replying to you to be honest. I’m thinking its Anna because of your first sentence.

        Try to remember that one person’s abuse is another person’s creative innovation.

        I’m going to say that the other person can very well take their creative innovation to a place where it is allowed rather then trying to force a place that doesn’t accept it to pretty much accept it despite the fact it is stated to be clearly against the rules. I won’t argue that original fiction and RPF aren’t a form of creative innovation, but the point is the rules clearly state both don’t belong on the site.

        And while I don’t agree with Anna’s pushiness I do understand why she is as upset as she is. I and others who’ve used the misc. categories for what they’re supposed to be used for have stopped using them because the problem has gotten so bad. Typically when someone goes into any of the misc. categories in the first two pages they find only one to three fanfics. That’s around four percent or less. On top of this I’ve stopped writing for a few categories I used to write for because I know that my stories are just going to get buried and there is no point in posting a story if I’m the only one who is going to read it. They are also trying to move into some of the smaller fandoms as well in hopes that they will get a bigger audience. They may be a form of creative innovation, but you can’t say what they are doing is fair to the other site members either.

         
    • A.J. Goode

      03/01/2013 at 9:32 am

      I’m sure Xing and others have good reasons for prioritizing updates and repairs the way they do, and I’m really grateful for all that they are doing. But I can also sympathize with Anna about getting responses to our abuse reports. Just look at these:

      http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7793342/1/KEOTEY1228-READ has been up for over a year, reported countless times, and there it still sits in all of its non-story glory.

      http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8257533/1/I-Won-t-Write-You-a-Love-Song with copyrighted lyrics to over 100 songs, complete with a pseudo-legal notice as to why FFNet is not allowed to enforce their own rules

      There are so many more like this, that not only violate site rules but flaunt the fact that they are doing so. It would be nice if the abuse reports could be investigated and acted on at some point, maybe AFTER the updates and the big “surprise” are completed.

       
  10. The Rocker

    02/28/2013 at 11:15 am

    Everything has changed, I noticed. Your blog, forums, archive, everything! It’s like the site is transforming itself into something. Is this the ‘surprise’ you boast so much about?

     
    • M.Uchman

      02/28/2013 at 1:15 pm

      I’m trying to determine exactly what it is that you say has changed, because from what you’re claiming and what I’m seeing, everything looks EXACTLY the same. I’ve cleared my browser cache and everything to be sure, but I’m telling you it’s all the same on my end.

       
      • Lord Kelvin

        02/28/2013 at 2:33 pm

        This is another technical improvement; not the surprise, I reckon. The story covers magnifying upon pointing the mouse cursor at them is cool, but not revolutionary. February is over in parts of the world already.

         
    • nowistand

      02/28/2013 at 8:08 pm

      @LordKelvin: Xing is in California though (if I remember my facts right! >_<) so that means it's only 5:08 to him.

       
      • Lord Kelvin

        03/01/2013 at 2:40 am

        So, he has 20 minutes left. Exciting!

         
  11. Mcgde

    02/28/2013 at 7:16 pm

    Everything is still the same from when I joined 2 years ago. It’s fast and efficient and I enjoy the site so much. Other than adding the option of a cover for the story, there’s nothing much changed. Though lately I have had the occasional problem of the site not allowing me to go through my profile and change things.

    It’s so easy to search for the type of story you want and specify it to your liking. I tried Wattpad out just to see if I liked it more, but it was so confusing and hard to get through, that I just went right on back to fanfiction.net.

    The set up of the site is easy to navigate through for beginners and once you get started, you can’t stop.

     
  12. Spyridon

    03/01/2013 at 12:19 am

    I got an anonymous review on my story with the ID: 9049091 on ff.net and I could have sworn it said fast approved. Yet, it’s been a day and I still haven’t seen it appearing. I just want to make sure I didn’t delete it by accident.

     
  13. cathrl

    03/03/2013 at 5:13 pm

    Thank you. Good idea.

    An even better idea would be a button which forum admins can click to automatically report them as commercial advertising. To be honest, I’m probably not going to bother to go off and send a special email with a special subject line – I’m just going to hit “block user” and “delete thread”. But I would also hit “report advertising account to admin”.

     
  14. aggronlv45

    03/03/2013 at 9:39 pm

    OK, I’ve been looking at the comments, and I have read the rules, so I’m going to ask this because in all honesty, I’m seriously confused. It sounds to me that, judging by the comics, Original Characters aren’t allowed. Is this true? I dont remember reading that in the rules. Let me give an example. I made a nuzlocke run fanfic about pokemon. I used premade pokemon and one or two minor character from the games, but the main character and the pokemons’ personalities were original (not from the show or games) Does this break the rule?

     
    • yemi hikari

      03/04/2013 at 5:30 am

      Most OCs are allowed. The ones that aren’t allowed are the real person self-inserts.

       
      • aggronlv45

        03/04/2013 at 6:36 am

        thank you very much. I always sprinkle a little of myself in every character, but i never make a character based 100% off anybody real. Not interesting enough in my opinion.

         
  15. tbww

    03/03/2013 at 11:28 pm

    .It would make no difference. Just like popular fics always have reviews posted that would bump them up in the review sorted fics, most recent post sorting wod have all the rpgs at the top with constsnt posts. The forums are sorted by revelabce or how much they sre looked at/used so the abandoned ones are at the back and the active ones are front. Forums with more posts hVe more views that keep them at the top. Its perfdct how it is and most recent would require constant change and rank. If someone goes through unactive forums and posts theyre in the front and active ones are back…yeah it needs to stay the same as it is

     
    • tbww

      03/03/2013 at 11:29 pm

      And how about an o c character choice in all fandoms?

       
    • Alaverat

      03/05/2013 at 6:12 pm

      Who sorts by reviews? That seems similar to reading the 100 Most Important Novels or The New York Times Best Seller List. I don’t know anyone who does that. I certainly don’t like a story according to what someone else may say about it.

       

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