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Characters and Pairing

22 Aug

We might not be able to satisfy everyone demands but we do listen and adapt to changes that are required for the greater good of both readers and writers. For now,  we need to clearly define some terms used on the site.

1) Characters are individual characters, not parings. The current system for both writers and readers are defined in characters with no hint to pairing.

2) The order of characters are not important to the site. There is no character precedence by design.

3) When you search for characters, you are looking for stories with characters you are interested in. There is no pairing relationship involved. Due to the fact that there were only 2 slots available previously, users implied a pairing relationship.

With that said, we will be releasing a true-pairing system soon. True pairing system is currently in design phase and will be released when ready and possibly much sooner pending a medical decision from Dr. Noahsleep regarding excessive caffeine intake for our mutant developers.

So there you have it. Two characters are not equal to a pairing and you currently cannot set or filter pairings but everything will change soon.

P.S. We just added Amazon login support.

 
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272 responses to “Characters and Pairing

  1. Hotaru Muraki

    08/25/2013 at 11:44 am

    Thank you for your hard work! I’m looking forward to that pairing-filter installation you mentioned. Really! <3

    Now there're only two things remaining that keep me from enjoying this site as much as before:

    1.
    Please consider retracting the 'K'-way of showing the amount of stories in a fandom.
    (Firstly, this works really only for fandoms where a certain amount of fanfics have already been published – e.g. Naruto, Harry Potter, etc. – and secondly, the smaller fandoms still have their more or less exact number of stories visible. Which, to be honest, makes the whole board seem kind of…disorderly? Unorganized? Well, you get my drift.)

    2.
    Please!!! Bring back the ALPHABETICAL order in each category when clicking 'Filter: All'.
    (The biggest-amount-of-fanfics order is as inconvenient as it is useless. Which means, IMHO, very.)

    No offense! That is just IMHO.
    And I really AM grateful that our concerns, suggestions and complaints are being listened to by the mods and other staff here on FF. (Thank you for your hard work, BTW! ^__^v)

     
    • marmota-b

      09/01/2013 at 3:49 am

      I second the wish for the fics to be filtered by alphabet… I do not think it helps anything much; maybe only people who are searching for large, popular fandoms, which are rather obvious in themselves anyway.
      You could retain that filtering as an option (it IS interesting to see which fandoms are popular), but as the default, it is not particularly useful. Especially when I’m searching for crossovers, where the sub-category is usually small enough, the current order of the list is only confusing.

       
  2. Devon Shippam

    08/25/2013 at 11:58 am

    This is great. Now add a Yaoi/Yuri filter and I can die happy.

     
    • R Anthony Dow

      08/31/2013 at 12:59 am

      Totally agree with you on the Yaoi/Yuri filter (Harry Potter/any male pairing…eww) of course that would mean that someone would have to go through all the possible slash and tag as slash (yaoi/yuri for you youngsters) and maybe possibly bisexual male/female.

      I personally have no problems with same sex relationships BUT I don’t want read about them.

       
    • anopisthographic

      09/14/2013 at 12:50 pm

      i vote for this option as well.

       
  3. courtney

    08/26/2013 at 12:05 am

    I don’t like that there are two more character fields. Can you get rid of them or put in fields so you can eliminate them? The reason why I don’t like them is that when there was just two I knew that if I chose two characters I would only get stories for those two characters. The two other Character make searching for a story confusing. Also I liked that with just two characters the character you chose were the parings. for me choosing characters is choosing parings

     
    • Simoneau

      08/27/2013 at 2:03 am

      @Courtney:

      Item 1: just because you equate character choice with “parings” (or even “pairings”, to save confusion with vegetable peelings), doesn’t mean everyone does. Some of us have wider interests than boring repetitive romances.

      Item 2: Xing has made it quite clear that the site will not go back to a measly 2 character slots, but a “relationship” filter is in the works which should solve your problem.

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/27/2013 at 3:30 pm

        On top of this Xing has made it clear that the tags weren’t ever supposed to equate pairings in the first place. The only reason people think otherwise is because more and more people began to use the tags how they were not intended to be used.

         
    • yemi hikari

      08/27/2013 at 4:13 pm

      Also I liked that with just two characters the character you chose were the parings.

      I was tired of selecting two characters and only finding romance for said two characters. I was tired of my stories which are genfic being overlooked by those looking for particular romance pairings because I labeled my stories appropriately via the main characters despite the fact I have their ship in my story. I was also tired about how redundant and repetitive a lot of the romance fic was getting because the writers (not the readers) weren’t expanding their horizons and coming up with new ideas.

      No matter how much you say that choosing characters was about pairings the site admins have said that’s not what the character system is for… its for finding stories about characters you want to read about.

       
      • Zorra Reed

        09/02/2013 at 11:34 pm

        I love that I can now add a third or fourth character to the characters listing when I post my fanfic. That said, I’m only going to use the additional selection options if a third or fourth character is actually a key factor in the story and an area of regular concentration. I never used the listing to pair characters. Though sometimes my key characters were paired together, sometimes not. I put the primary character first and everyone else in order of importance. So thank you ff.n for adding the additional character choice slots!

        On a side note, I agree with Hotaru, please put the default filters back into place for Alphabetical order when searching categories. I have to click all sorts of links and wait for it to load to find what I’m looking for. Not so bad on the PC but on my kindle or worse, my phone, I can’t load the pages at all without it overwhelming the system.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/03/2013 at 6:16 pm

        Myself as well. One of the aggravating things about me tagging my stories correctly is that while I focus I do have certain ships that do show up in my writing because I direct how the characters would act based on the way they would act and falling in and out of love is part of who a character is. One of my stories I hadn’t planned on any ship beyond a growing up crush on one of the characters, but suddenly a pairing I didn’t expect or even thought of showed up.

         
  4. Don

    08/26/2013 at 4:08 pm

    One minor thing….In Once Upon A Time, why is there no field for Tamara?

     
  5. Yokai Moon

    08/26/2013 at 8:33 pm

    Even if I am excited about the up coming filter, this feature would do me a whole lot of nothing if I still can’t use the current filters on my phone…

     
  6. Marissa

    08/28/2013 at 10:18 am

    While I appreciate your tireless hard work, I find this change, as well as most changes you’ve made to the filters, unnecessary. Writers usually indicate the pairing/non-pairing status of their story in the summaries, which ought to have been facilitated by the summary word limit being longer. Adding this to the filters will just make the whole system even more confusing. And in that unwieldy little filter box, too.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/29/2013 at 2:58 am

      Writers usually indicate the pairing/non-pairing status of their story in the summaries, which ought to have been facilitated by the summary word limit being longer.

      As per what has been said already about this by myself and others the summaries are for posting summaries, not anything else. Even when the writer didn’t have the option of using the filters putting the warning tags in an author’s note at the beginning of the story was considered cleaner as well as better etiquette.

      I’m personally not having a problem using the filter system and find them quite easy to use. So… perhaps you should explain to the site admins what is so unwieldy to you about the box rather then just saying it doesn’t work?

       
      • cmcwiki

        08/29/2013 at 3:43 am

        yeah this thing’s freaking easy, unless you are talking about the mobile site which seems to have some kinks to work out on various browsers, though it works fine on my ipod.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/29/2013 at 4:49 am

        Problem is people aren’t posting the kind of errors they’re getting one the mobile site and yet still expecting the site admins to be able to fix them without knowing exactly what kind of error they person complaining is getting.

         
      • Maisy

        08/29/2013 at 12:58 pm

        I haven’t been on the site in a few months and maybe it’s easy for you but I am completely confused and would greatly appreciate someone explaining to me how to use it. I am weird in that I only read fanfic when it’s centered around one or two characters (for example when reading Teen Wolf fic I only read Stiles or Derek centric stories, when reading Pretty Little Liars I only read stories centered around Spencer, ect). So if I wanted to read a Teen Wolf Story and the only characters I want to read about are Derek and Stiles…how on earth do I do that? Do I just put their names in all four character slots?

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/29/2013 at 11:02 pm

        No. That doesn’t work.

        To be honest you need to get used to the fact there is more then one or two characters listed. The reason you got so used to it is because and only because there were only two characters listed before.

         
      • Zorra Reed

        09/02/2013 at 11:38 pm

        I’m not getting error messages on the mobile site, it just freezes and stops working or shuts down the browser when trying to load.

         
      • Zorra Reed

        09/02/2013 at 11:44 pm

        Just use the one character slot like you would before and put in the name you want. You can leave the others blank. It still works the same way as before. Just like all the other filters, you don’t have to put something in every field unless you want to limit or expand your options more. Like when reading Ronin Warriors, I prefer angst fics about Ryo, often with a mature rating, so that’s what I put in the filters. However, since it’s a limited fandom, I’ll often just select General, all ratings and All characters and read anything that appeals to me. The new filters took me by surprise after a long absence from the site, but play with them for a while and you’ll figure out where and what everything is and does. I discovered it through a mobile which was a pain, but once I got on the Pc and could see everything, it was really simple. Good luck.

         
  7. Red-the-Mudkip

    08/29/2013 at 12:19 am

    I don’t mean to come off as ungrateful or rude, but how far are you into adding this filter and when do you think we will be able to use it? Anyway, I’m glad that you’re making the decision and am dying to see it. Thank you! :D

     
  8. FallenStar22

    08/29/2013 at 7:24 am

    This article makes me so happy to read and I wish other users would appreciate this as well.

     
  9. koutiepoppZzz

    08/29/2013 at 12:07 pm

    Could y’all please make some more JACE from kickin’ it stories woth more than 1 chapters

     
  10. ella

    08/29/2013 at 12:59 pm

    “With that said, we will be releasing a true-pairing system soon.”

    aaaaaaaaaaaaah, I literally just screamed YES! Thank you for listening to our comments.

    Sometimes it’s frustrating because some people include famous pairings in their character list just so they can get readers and it’s unfair to the honest readers who just want to read about the characters they like. Hopefully things will be fixed soon, thank you again for listening to our concerns.

    I would just like to ask why the numbers on the site are all rounded off? It was good before that we can see the actual number since you can clearly see how many stories are in each category and how many new ones are added. It would be greatly appreciated if you could restore the old number system. Thanks you again!

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/29/2013 at 4:25 pm

      I know! And those of who’ve been tagging our stories correctly can’t get people in who are looking for particular pairings. I may write genfic, but this doesn’t mean I don’t use pairings in my stories. I’ve also had people complain because the stories two main characters were the “pairing” they were looking for but the pairing I hinted at was very different.

       
  11. Maisy

    08/29/2013 at 1:06 pm

    Okay I just tried putting nothing but Derek H. and Stiles in and I’m getting stories with Cora and Isaac and OC’s and Scott and that’s so not what I want. I literally don’t read about anyone else so how do I JUST get stories with the two characters I want? People are saying this is easy but I don’t understand what I’m doing wrong. If you are ONLY interested in one or two characters how do you get stories that are ONLY about those characters and NOT every single character? This used to be really easy and now it’s not :(

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/29/2013 at 10:58 pm

      It also used to be a pain in the neck for people who were using the tags they were supposed to be used.

       
      • Maisy

        08/30/2013 at 4:17 am

        I find your tone very aggressive, intimidating and rude. Perhaps I am misreading things and if that is the case I apologize but I very politely asked a legitimate question, explained the issue I was having and asked for help.

        If there’s no way to filter the results so that I can only read about the specific characters I’m interested in (if there are less than four) that’s all I needed to know. I’ll just wait until the pairing system is put into place and come back and give things a try then.

        Please leave me alone. I do not wish to have any further discussion with you.

         
      • fems

        08/30/2013 at 5:51 am

        Until the pairing feature comes through there is indeed no way to simply filter for one, two or even just three characters alone, unless the admins come up with a “none” option under characters in the meantime.

        However, there have also been numerous authors across a lot of fandoms who have, apparently, misused/abused the option to list up to four characters since the changes have come through and for some odd reason they feel the need to fill up all four spots, regardless of how big a role said characters play. That means it’s still possible you will be overlooking your favorite kind of stories if the authors in your fandom also list minor characters instead of the main/major ones.

        So, basically you’re probably best off by sticking to your favorite authors, double-checking (could even resort to PM) whether all four characters are indeed important to the story and/or scanning the summaries.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/30/2013 at 7:50 pm

        Complaining about finding stories where there are main characters in addition to the main characters you want actually isn’t polite. It’s very impolite to the people who are correctly labeling their stories and happen to actually have those two main characters in their stories as well as an additional main character. Mind you, complaining about that isn’t the same as complaining about finding stories where one or more of the characters you’re looking for isn’t a main character.

        If you’re being OCD about only having one or two characters take the advice I gave you above. This isn’t something that is good to be OCD about and in reality the reason you’re OCD about it is because you got as used to their only being three character slots. Why’s it not good to be OCD about this? Because you’re cutting out some of the stories you may in the long run enjoy just because there is another main character in addition to the two you want.

         
    • Zorra Reed

      09/02/2013 at 11:53 pm

      There are a set of filters that let you pick what you don’t want to appear in the search options. Use that to eliminate characters or genre’s. Now remember, those filters only work if the author has listed their characters in the character fields. And its rare to find more then a small handful of fics that focus solely on a single character. Younger writers tend to place a secondary character into the character fields if they only have two characters in their story even if the secondary is not a focus. So that might limit your choices a bit more then you want. I suggest using both sets of filters and then examine the summaries to see who the focus of the story really is if it’s bothering you that much. That said, if the filter is working incorrectly and is not pulling up the characters you specify along with the rest, then you need to report that bug to the staff. But try that second set of filters first.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/03/2013 at 6:20 pm

        Sometimes a writer will also list a focal character who doesn’t show up. Prime example are one-shots are about certain characters morning the death of another canon character, particularly when a character death does occur in canon.

         
  12. Brainless Genius

    08/29/2013 at 5:07 pm

    Personally, if I’m looking for a pairing, I just enter the names of the characters involved, and set the genre to romance. If I want those two characters but not as a pairing, I use the filters to get rid of the romance genre. (Just my two cents, though.)

     
    • Klaus Schilling

      09/12/2013 at 6:32 am

      No, this method is potentially totally misguiding.

      First, there is more than one possible definition of romance in the history of literature, and they don’t all require a pairing of whatever sort. The guidelines hold no imperative definition to be used exclusively on this site, and thus each writer may follow his own understanding of romance, which may differ fundamentally from that of the reader looking for stories. I use the tag romance exclusively for stories with unrealistically stereotypical main characters and plot.

      Second, there are only two slots for story genres. If a story is appropriate for more than two genres, the author is forced to restrict to just two of them. Thus the absence of the romance tag does just mean that the author deems other elements of the story more important.

      Third, even if the story is tagged as a romance, understood as couple-based, the tagged characters do not have to be the couple featured in the story. There are still only four character slots, and it is up to the discretion of the author to select the (up to) four most important ones. This does not necessarily make those a couple. Sidekicks and rivals may be more important for the plot than partners.

       
  13. charlie

    08/29/2013 at 8:45 pm

    Thank you for all your hard work :). But please, pleeeaaaaaaaaase fix this. Its so unbelievably annoying the way you can’t get pairings or filter away characters, and im sorry but im sticking to AO3 until its solved. Dont know why you did the four character thing in the first place, tbh. Its caused me nothing but annoyance.
    I do appreciate the effort you put into the site though.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/03/2013 at 6:21 pm

      People complain about how its annoying that you can’t find the “pairings” you want when many of us have been annoyed with the fact people misused the tags to indicate pairings, particularly when the characters in the pairings were not the main characters in a fic.

       
  14. seila

    08/29/2013 at 10:43 pm

    I’m kind of surprised no one’s mentioned pairing being tagged in the summary being a huge turn off. It is for me unless it’s some specific pairing that I happen to be exceptionally fond of. There aren’t that many of those.

    On the contrary, there are a ton of combinations that I’m pretty so-so about, but I’ll still read. But I’m less apt to give it a try if it’s shoved down my throat before I’ve ever gotten to the story content.

    So in the end, tacking a pairing into a summary has the potential to communicate something you might not have intended to.

    I kind of wonder how the upcoming system will change things for both the reader and the writer.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/29/2013 at 11:00 pm

      I have. Any tagging should go inside in an author’s note. There are a few exceptions though. For example, if you’re writing for the misc. categories you tag them with the title of the fandom you’re writing for.

       
    • K_Will

      08/30/2013 at 4:16 am

      It’s beneficial if you really think about it. If you don’t like something and you know about it ahead of time, it saves you the wasted time that would have been put into something you didn’t want to read.

      I can’t stand yaoi, but I’m extremely grateful to authors that put the tag in their summaries since it saves me the frustration and time that I would have wasted reading something that I didn’t want to.

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/30/2013 at 7:23 pm

        Yes, it is beneficial. It’s really beneficial in making so people don’t want to click on your story at all. I would rather click on a story with an interesting summary and back click because there are warnings in an author’s note then click on a summary that has the warnings splashed in it.

        Mind you, there are a few exceptions. Noting there is slash in a story in the summary is at this point one of them as t helps a high number of people looking for stories, but putting the exact pairing is another story.

         
    • fems

      08/30/2013 at 5:56 am

      It and other uses of tags in summaries have been mentioned/discussed by a couple of people (including me) in various blog posts. Basically, it all comes down to people not comprehending how a summary is supposed to be written and since the site offers no help (not that I think it should, because those same people are probably too lazy to read it) in that department, it’s unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

      If you want to indicate a relationship or any other kind of warnings in the summary then you should write the summary to reflect this without having to resort to tags and/or abbreviations. It’s really not that difficult and other information can be included in header info in the first chapter.

       
      • Klaus Schilling

        09/12/2013 at 7:24 am

        The character limit is too low to do without abbreviations, especially in crossovers of many stories with even more characters and couples.

         
    • seila

      08/31/2013 at 3:26 am

      Ah, my memory wasn’t functioning when I wrote that. Nods to yemi and fems.

       
    • Klaus Schilling

      09/12/2013 at 8:57 am

      I can do without so-so readers, thus I keep on shoving the pairings down as soon as possible, either the summary or in the preface, as the summary is too short for a dozen of pairings of usually obscure characters from several fandoms.

       
  15. ginamc87

    08/30/2013 at 2:43 am

    Honestly, their should just be two character fields and maybe a character pairing text box made optional.

     
  16. Charmed Auranae

    08/30/2013 at 11:25 am

    When you add that pairing filter, let me know so I can start finding my favorite pairings. Can you add it to the word search system too?

     
  17. Emily

    08/30/2013 at 7:04 pm

    There are authors which are either dead or just gone from ff.net. Their stories remain on ff.net but will never have their tags updated. Is there a plan for this? I would like to know even if the plan is to just ignore the issue. Please and thank you.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/30/2013 at 7:18 pm

      This isn’t something new. There are tons of stories out there that the writer up and disappeared before character tags for their fandoms were added. From what I can tell the site admins have never done anything about these stories. In part there has never been any rule making it so they have to add in the character tags and second the actual filter tags are really up to the writer. Imagine people coming in and demanding that the site admins add a particular character to a story simply because they don’t like said character and the writer is gone, but said character is only a minor character. They’re more likely to move stories in the misc. categories to their correct categories.

       
  18. Emma

    08/31/2013 at 5:23 pm

    YAY! I’m pleasantly surprised, you people have a sense of humor. I am pointing out that, for the Hetalia communities at least, there is only a choice between English or All for the language filters.

     
  19. Angel

    09/01/2013 at 12:33 am

    Is there anyway to add characters on all the fandoms so I don’t spend a day looking for a handful of stories?!

     
  20. DC

    09/01/2013 at 10:56 am

    A pairing system would be an awesome thing to add. It could be just another drop down box for the option of pairing. I’d suggest the options of “no pairing”, “hetero pairing”, “homo pairing”, and something to say “I don’t care” in which you would get anything.

    It would certainly stop the quantitative bitching about this. People who are so against a certain pairing can filter it out. Of course that would only be for main pairings. Say for instance, you’re in the Avatar fandom and you want a hetero pairing of Sokka and Suki. Fine, it’ll be under the “hetero pairing” filter. But there could also be minor mentions of Jet and Zuko while still being in the guidelines of the site.

    I’m not saying to make an extreme solution to this, no system is perfect, it’s just up to the writers to mention this earlier in the story. Or for the readers to not focus on the minor romance.

    Anyway, thank you. Even if it isn’t perfect or up for several months, thanks for listening to the people and working on this.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/02/2013 at 2:22 am

      That’s why it would be listed as slash/yaoi and slash/yuri. Listing it as “homo pairing” would honestly insult some people.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/02/2013 at 2:24 am

        P.S. I remembered “why” it is insulting. Homo tends to be short hand for those who are homophobic against homosexuality.

         
  21. fems

    09/02/2013 at 6:08 am

    It should just be slash, if FFnet ever decides to create the feature. Slash is well-known in every fanfic fandom but anyone outside of manga/anime (I assume) has no idea what yaoi and yuri mean, and shouldn’t have to know as it doesn’t apply to their fandoms. General terminology is best when it comes to dealing with so many different fandoms or every fandom will want their specific terminology used.

     
  22. HatedLove6

    09/03/2013 at 1:40 am

    Could you also put in “Original Character” or “Fan Character” in the character list in each section? I know that may take some time, but some of us prefer to write and read CanonxOC stories, and we also get nasty “feedback” from people who hate these kinds of stories. This can make a clear warning or story type so that people who generally don’t like them, can have a better time avoiding them.

     
    • fems

      09/03/2013 at 3:05 pm

      In the newer blog entries it has already been announced that “OC” standing for “original character” has been added to all the fandoms, so any author can list it as a character and any reader can filter for it (providing the authors have added it).

       
  23. Candis

    09/03/2013 at 2:25 am

    Ok I have an issue. Why when I normally can look up certain characters in Hunger games does it say no entries found? I put in what I always do into the filters and.. Nothing! I normally look up >5K, characters , English, romance, all ratings. Now that’s pretty generic and .. No entries found? This is extremely frustrating considering its never been like this since y’all made changes!!! What’s the point of having filters when they don’t work..

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/03/2013 at 6:23 pm

      List the exact characters so the site admins can try to replicate the problem.

       
  24. shiranai atsune

    09/03/2013 at 6:37 am

    When’s the release date?

     
  25. Klaus Schilling

    09/04/2013 at 1:45 am

    What about crossover pairings?

     
  26. ynony

    09/05/2013 at 6:05 pm

    I really like that you’ve added a way to filter out characters you don’t want listed when you look for stories. Is there any way you can add that to the Search pages as well.

     
    • Klaus Schilling

      09/10/2013 at 3:17 am

      It is pointless to find characters that are not listed, as that does by no means imply that they are not important in the story. There are only four character slots for tagging, and they have to be from one of the one or two tagged fandoms. In stories with more than four important characters from more than two fandoms — as is absolutely common in my stories — it is already mathematically inevitable to leave out one important character or the other from the filter. And the addition of the pairing filter will face definitely the same problems, as it is unlikely that the admins allow for tagging a huger mount of opairings or pairings with characters from a fandom that is not tagged. Thus it is absolutely inevitable to misguide those who are using the search filter in order to exclude stories based on characters or pairings they don’t want to read about.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/11/2013 at 3:28 am

        Truth be told said feature would only work in fandoms that have only a few characters. Imagine having to list every non important character for the Harry Potter fandom that has over six hundred characters, or even the Bleach fandom that has over a hundred. Certain things you shouldn’t ask of writers really.

         
  27. Linda

    09/06/2013 at 3:08 pm

    I find your site is worst now then ever even some of my fav writters are leaving your web site. Half the time I click the filter as soon as I pick one to two thing it disapears, on my lap top it wont work at all. We have three computers in are home and your web site is the only one not working.

     
    • Cmcwiki

      09/06/2013 at 3:17 pm

      What web browser and what version of it are you using? The problem on your laptop might have to do with an outdated browser. I’m sorry that your fav author left.

       
    • yemi hikari

      09/08/2013 at 5:37 pm

      The site admins have asked people to give information as to browser and operating system so they can fix such problems. How’s it going to get fixed otherwise?

       
  28. GreaterGrades

    09/07/2013 at 9:10 pm

    I agree with DC, the hetero, homosexual or no pairing option sounds great. As a reader of Hetalia, it pissed me off that it takes forever to find a simple, fluffly bonding story between Alfred and Arthur without them being involved romantically. Since it is the most popular couple in our fandom for some reason, it is very hard to avoid this. This option would eliminate my problem, thus making fanfiction more enjoyable.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 3:25 am

      There is a reason why I haven’t tried to read anything for said fandom. :P

       
  29. Bell

    09/08/2013 at 2:12 pm

    I preferred it before when I would search for a specific pairing and find stories for that pairing. Maybe you didn’t “intend” the pairings to be used that way, but ever since I have been a FFn reader, I DID think this is how the characters were intended to be used.

    I would truly prefer it to be this way again. I find the new way to find stories based on the character pairings I am interested in reading a lot more frustrating. I know, from reading some of the comments here and one very opinionated person, not everyone sees the character listing as I do. However, as I said, this is what I grew to learn them to mean and now am more unhappy with the archive search part of site than ever.

    I also know I am not the only one that feels the same.

    It is nice to have the option for more pairings, sorry, character listings, but when looking for a specific pair of MAIN (master) characters, not just in the romantic sense (even though that is often the case), I am less happy than ever with the search results.

    If you didn’t intend the character listings to not be used in a “pairing” way, you should have made this clear a long time ago. As a reader (for nearly four years), I didn’t realize this until I saw the post here.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 3:24 am

      The site admins shouldn’t have to clarify something that honestly should be basic logic. Why would the use of character tags fall outside of how people use the term characters in literature classes and courses? I don’t know of any that uses the term characters to refer to whose paired together.

       
      • Does it matter?

        09/11/2013 at 6:22 am

        SERIOUSLY! What rock have you been hiding under? First of all, the back cover of many published romance books have pairings listed on it. Second, I came to FFn in 2010 and that is HOW I learned the characters are used.

        It actually makes MORE sense that the characters on story details would be for pairings than NOT. Especially since not everyone enjoys reading a “canon” couple, so they will hunt for other pairings they enjoy. Even in the non-canon sense, not everyone enjoys slash, femslash, or poly stories. So, using the characters as romantic pairings actually makes more sense to everyone I communicate with, especially since they are the ones I learned this method of using characters. A lot of them have been doing this since around 2008, or before.

         
      • A.J. Goode

        09/11/2013 at 11:18 am

        So, by your logic, all stories that list main characters MUST be a romance, and MUST include a pairing? I’m sorry, but that just might be the single stupidest thing I have ever heard.

        What kind of a very small world do you live in where the term “main characters” is synonymous with “pairing”? Yes, of course romance novels list the pairings on the cover. They are romance novels. Stories about romance. It’s kind of expected that a romance novel would contain romantic pairings, no?

        “Old Yeller” lists the name of the dog on the back cover, but do you really believe the book is about the romantic pairing of a boy and his dog? In “Huck Finn”, the main characters are Huck and Jim; is that a pairing? What about “A Wrinkle in Time”, which lists Meg and Charles Wallace as main characters? By your definition, this YA classic is actually a twisted tale of incest.

        Come on, people. There’s this thing called “common sense”. Use it.

         
      • There are bigger problems in the world

        09/11/2013 at 12:33 pm

        Your post was snide, rude, and extremely belittling…

        Not once was it indicated that anyone here is “stupid”, or lacking “common sense” until your post.

        While I can see your point, it would seem by (more or less) name calling you are not willing to see other opinions.

        The previous person, though emotionally charged, never put you or anyone else down. They were simply making their opinion known. Maybe expand your world by trying to see the other points of view instead of narrow ideals. The fact that you cannot see the other person’s reason does not determine what you refer as a “lack of common sense”.

        It was explained how the character listings were described to them. It is not as if there is an explanation of the character listing for the story details on the site. It makes sense that others could see them as character pairings, especially if the group of people they associate prefer romance. People that come to the fanfiction site tend to reach out to others with similar interests (science fiction, romance, family, etc.), therefore, they will learn about the website from those they communicate.

        Nor was it said all characters must be a romance, though it seems that is their genre of choice. It was simply an explanation in the way they associate characters, as romantic pairings based upon the main couple.

        Incest and bestiality? Really? I highly doubt, based upon what was written, they lack the common sense to determine if a fandom based around an animal would be romantic in nature, or that a brother and sister are romantically involved. It would seem they most likely prefer romantic fiction and read fandoms relating to this genre.

        Have you ever thought, or considered that others would like their views and opinions heard also?

        I can see their side just fine, so maybe open your mind to understand the other side too. Understand that not everyone thinks, or sees things the same way and would like their side voiced now and then also.

        Now, that being said, I highly hope that fanfiction.net finds a way to satisfy both types of views when it comes to character pairings.

        Maybe when the author establishes the story, there is a character section for the romanitc fandoms and one for the other types. Maybe there is a character pairing “find” where we can search for whatever romantic pairing we want with another area that is not meant for romantic purposes. There has to be a way to make both sides happy. It’s just a matter of brainstorming to work it out.

         
      • A.J. Goode

        09/12/2013 at 11:33 am

        I’ll say it again: automatically assuming that any story featuring two main characters has to be a romance is incredibly short-sighted. There are countless novels, short stories and other works of fiction that feature two main characters who are not part of a romantic pairing. If you can’t see that, then perhaps it is you who needs to expand your world view.

        I find this entire discussion ridiculous, but I don’t mean to be rude or belittling. I just don’t understand how anyone can assume that a story MUST be a romance simply because it has two main characters. Romance is only one genre of fiction; it is not the default. It should not be the job of the writer to announce in every story: WARNING: THIS STORY CONTAINS NO ROMANTIC PAIRING!

        You say that people come to this site to seek out people with other interests. I agree. There are indeed stories in all kinds of genres, as you say — science fiction, romance, family, etc. But if there are so many different interests and genre, why are you all so insistent that romantic pairings MUST be a part of every story simply because they have two characters?

        I just can’t wrap my mind around anything so utterly illogical.

         
      • Insulted

        09/11/2013 at 12:09 pm

        If I search for a story, no matter what I’m looking for (romance, gen, family, etc.), if I see the characters shown as “Joe & Mary” or “John & Brian”, that looks like a “pairing” in whatever sense of the word. Can you really blame people if they get the wrong idea??

        Logically speaking, stories with a gen or family genre should not have their characters show up with an ampersand, that is massively misleading and the fault would lie totally with the site admins for coding their site that way. Not saying this to point fingers, exactly, but it is what it is.

        Someone who just comes in to read a story will not necessarily search all the guidelines, years worth of blog entries, whatever, to find out how the site classifies it’s character tags. They maybe Googled certain keywords, it brought them to ff.net, and they stayed to look for other stories.

        To be sure that people did not make this assumption, a disclaimer should have been made on the old and new filtering system (always visible, no matter where you are when “searching” or “filtering”) about how the character tags do not equate to pairing. IMO, this would have solved so many so-called problems

        And now, to further add to confusion, if you open a story, only 2 characters show up (with an ampersand which misleads people to think ‘pairing’). If you look at the stories from a particular author, only 2 characters show up (yet again, with an ampersand). This, even if when using filters, 3 or 4 characters show up!

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 7:28 pm

        @ Bell/Does it matter? ~ You really shouldn’t accuse people of living under a rock when you’ve made it clear that you came to the site right around the time the major problems with misusing the character tags started. Those writers who said they did it as far back as 2008… guess what… they were part of the problem and they’re just as much under a rock as you are about the whole thing.

        @ There are bigger problems in the world ~ A.J. Goode’s post was not “snide, rude or extremely belittling” like you say it is. It is common sense that tags labeled “characters” means “characters” and not “pairings”. Said person you’re trying to defend asked me if I’ve been hiding under a rock, so their comment isn’t free of personal attack.

        Which is ironic since your own comment makes it clear that you understand they and those that they socialize with are really the ones hiding under the rock completely unaware of the rest of fandom. It’s a big deal to those of us who’ve had our fics buried because we tagged our stories correctly and its a big deal of us who had to suffer through finding only romance when we selected two characters.

        They also seem to be taking the attitude that their needs trump those of others despite the fact its been made clear they’re the ones in the wrong. Mind you, I get not wanting to see certain kinds of pairings. But you know what. The rest of us who haven’t closed ourselves off into particular ships have had to deal with it for a long time now.

        They’re just mad that they’re not isolated anymore. In most cases you can just ignore other stories.

        @ Insulted – I’ll repeat the fact the site admins shouldn’t have put a disclaimer saying that the character tags are for characters and not pairings. As I’ve said, “characters” means “characters”, it does not mean “pairings”. Sure, the whole ampersand thing can be misleading, but its honestly was never that dificult of a thing to understand.

        That also said, I find it rather ironic that you’re talking about being insulted by our comments when we who’ve been using the character tags correctly had to deal with people insulting us because we used the tags properly. People who used the system wrong have flamed us for using the tags correctly and they have told us we were dumb for not being able to tell that a story would have a particular pairing because the misassumed just like you and others had that was what the character filter was for.

        So, really… us telling you guys that you were wrong is minor compared to what we’ve gotten from you guys in the past.

         
      • Insulted

        09/12/2013 at 8:08 pm

        @yemi hikari

        Did I say I was Insulted in the post you’re referring to? I don’t think so. My post didn’t even have an Insulted tone to it at all. I just kept the same username that I’ve used before. Are you going to say I’m not allowed? I chose Insulted for many reasons, very little to do with this subject, and as far as I know, that is my right. You don’t change your username every time you post (that I know of) so why should I?

        The only thing I said is that when people who come to the site for the first time and see “John & Mary” or “John/Mary” (not this site but if you see it somewhere) it’s not so out there for them to think ‘pairing’. This is in the story itself, and in the list of stories under an author, where it doesn’t say ‘characters’ it just has the names written down. I’m not talking of in the filters.

        The Disclaimer idea was just that, an idea. If you look at it with an open mind, having such a thing might, and I stress might, have helped things.

        So before getting on your high-horse with me, think twice and don’t. FYI, yes, in this post, I am insulted by your unwarranted attack on me.

         
      • One Wrong Doesn't Make a Right

        09/12/2013 at 8:40 pm

        Reply based on a previous post:
        That also said, I find it rather ironic that you’re talking about being insulted by our comments when we who’ve been using the character tags correctly had to deal with people insulting us because we used the tags properly. People who used the system wrong have flamed us for using the tags correctly and they have told us we were dumb for not being able to tell that a story would have a particular pairing because the misassumed just like you and others had that was what the character filter was for.

        So, really… us telling you guys that you were wrong is minor compared to what we’ve gotten from you guys in the past.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
        Feeling as though you have been treated poorly shouldn’t give anyone the right to talk down to others and treat them with the same disdain. “One right doesn’t make a wrong”

        Yes, ‘yemi hikari’ and ‘A.J. Goode’ have been insulting and belittling by telling people they are narrow/closed-minded, and stupid (“…the single stupidest thing…”). Granted, ‘Does it matter?’ started the hiding under a rock statement, but it seems they don’t understand anything except romance (based on their comment). However, that is still no reason to pick at each other.

        This is why there are so many problems now-a-days. Instead of talking things out and trying to see, or understand another’s side and working together in TRYING to find a solution, many find it better to bicker because others don’t see things the same way and single people out.
        (Yes, sorry, I did also, but I was trying to make a point regarding bitterness. Therefore, my apologies, yemi hikari, A.J. Goode, and Does it matter?) Here are some sayings to try and keep in mind:

        “Treat others as you would like to be treated.”
        “Don’t take someone’s garbage and spread it to other people. (at work, at home, on the streets, or the internet)”

        In regards to those “new” people (or as accused, being “part of the problem”) seeing character pairings as romantic couples, have you ever heard of these sayings/quotes:

        “Times change and we change with them”
        “There are things I can’t force. I must adjust. There are times when the greatest change needed is a change of my viewpoint.”

        It seems this whole dispute is based on those that “adapted to”, or were part of the change in how character pairings are seen/used and those that are the “old dogs” unwilling to change, or adapt to a different way of seeing character pairings.

        All-in-all, it seems the use of character pairings has not been clear on fanfiction, which left people to associate them in different ways. Since it hasn’t been properly defined on the site (previously), neither side is right, or wrong in the way they have been using character pairings.

        For some reason, I doubt the same group of people that flamed and called another group of people dumb are the same group of people on this particular post. Both sides are acting as though only their side matters and whatever the other side says is, more or less, worthless.

        Why don’t we all try to communicate and understand each other, instead of berating each other, in order to work toward a solution that will make both sides happy?

        Sounds like a good solution to me.

        Finally, I do agree with the post by ‘There are bigger problems in the world’ when it was said:

        “… hope that fanfiction.net finds a way to satisfy both types of views when it comes to character pairings.”

        and
        “There has to be a way to make both sides happy. It’s just a matter of brainstorming to work it out.”

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/16/2013 at 11:53 pm

        @ Insulted ~ Where have you posted on the blog before and why would you choose to use the user name insulted in the first place? Honest question here because the user name “insulted” is one of the last ones I expect people to use because it does have the negative connotations it does have.

        @ One Wrong Doesn’t Make a Right ~ Please learn the difference between calling someones behavior and/or logic out as being close-minded or stupid and actually calling someone close-minded and stupid. An attack on a persons poor behavior or poor logic is not a personal attack.

        Also… For some reason, I doubt the same group of people that flamed and called another group of people dumb are the same group of people on this particular post

        Really? They’ve been told by the site admins that the character tags weren’t ever meant to be used as pairings and told by others that it honestly is bad logic to assume such a thing. They insist on going back to the two character system despite the fact the site admins have clearly stated they’re going to be putting together a system for pairings. They also insist on blaming the site admins for not explaining something I’ve said should be basic logic rather then themselves for using bad logic, something everyone is guilty of. They also keep insisting that incorrectly using the character tags didn’t negatively effect anyone.

        Most romance shippers aren’t complaining anymore because they know they’re getting the shipping feature and know that having both will be beneficial to them as well. These ones are still complaining after two to three weeks because they’re not getting their way and because they don’t want to accept the fact they were using the system wrong. They may not have stooped mind you to flaming other writers, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the ones who are left complaining are the rabid shippers who have some of the other problems the rabid shippers do have.

         
      • Insulted

        09/17/2013 at 6:57 am

        @yemi hikari

        I posted on this blog back when the first posts were out about the new filtering system with 4 characters. I had my say, and didn’t post again until now. I like how you seem to be suggesting that I’m lying about posting before.

        My choice of username, which I use for my own posts, commenting in various areas, and other reasons, is from a story I read that parodied Inago Montoya’s line, but instead of his name, the writer used ‘Insulted’ as a name. I liked it, I used it.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/17/2013 at 1:29 pm

        Yes. It seems like I’m accusing you of lying. Seems is not the same thing as actually accusing you.

        Are you referring to the parody that calls Inago Montoya “Bujoko” that I’ve heard about? Why are you using the English translation of the name? Actually… even if this isn’t the case, just because you like a name doesn’t mean you should use it. Names have meaning and connotations that go with them, not to mention there is a very particular reason people normally pick certain user names like the one you’re using.

         
  30. High on the Rainbow

    09/09/2013 at 12:07 am

    For people wanting the Yaoi/Yuri filter, I would think people would have enough sense to put it in their summary… I am a writer of yaoi, but I warn others. Like the disclaimer, it should be present in the first chapter, if not all chapters, and people should be warned of citrus content. (i.e. Sexual content) I do wish they had an alphabet thing though… I appreciate the hard work of the people on the site.

     
    • cmcwiki

      09/09/2013 at 2:37 am

      I think you are missing the problem here. there are some fandoms where we must sort through 19 slash stories to find 6 straight or no pairing stories on an archive page. Example: I’d be scrolling through the bleach archives and would find it littered with Grimichi or Uraichi, or go through naruto and find it littered with Narusasu or Kakairu. Okay i get that the pairing has shippers, but my face starts twitching after seeing so many yaoi summaries, (a lot of them sound like really bad smut plots surprisingly a lot of them are rape, damn we’ve got some sick puppies on this site) It would make my browsing experience as well as others better if we didn’t have to get a mind scarring mental image everytime we found a summary describing such

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/11/2013 at 2:10 am

        kay i get that the pairing has shippers, but my face starts twitching after seeing so many yaoi summaries, (a lot of them sound like really bad smut plots surprisingly a lot of them are rape, damn we’ve got some sick puppies on this site)

        Sadly this is why I avoid slash. I’ve read a few well written ones mind you, but this… it doesn’t help the bad reputation that slash has.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 2:06 am

      Actually, I rather writers put it into their disclaimer on the first chapter unless we’re talking the mystery genre where you can’t know of certain particulars and then you warn on those chapters. It’s more professional.

       
  31. ASH

    09/09/2013 at 3:47 pm

    about god damn i get tired of all the pathetic people on this site writing about pairings i despise, thank you for finally adding a true pairing category selection.

    quite honestly it’s about damn time.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 3:17 am

      What your tone, though I admit that I have pairings I am tired of coming across even as a neutral shipper because its a head banger issue at times some of the things the more rabid ships write.

       
  32. linda

    09/14/2013 at 1:03 am

    You can say all you like that you cant please every one well from all the coments Ive read you are barely pleasing any one. You took a really simple, and an amazing web site and fucked it up, and I dont swear I use to love this web site now it a pain in the ASS

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/16/2013 at 10:56 pm

      Apparently you’ve skipped over the comments that say positive things as well as explain why the issues others bring up aren’t that big of a deal.

       
      • cmcwiki

        09/17/2013 at 9:34 pm

        Hey yemi you wanna handle the new guy on Data Center Move day 4 part 2? Robert thinks Blair partner publishing’s cool with read the books.

         
  33. Robb

    09/21/2013 at 1:17 pm

    Glad to see that you guys realize there’s a problem with the new filters and are working on a solution.

     

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