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Characters and Pairing

22 Aug

We might not be able to satisfy everyone demands but we do listen and adapt to changes that are required for the greater good of both readers and writers. For now,  we need to clearly define some terms used on the site.

1) Characters are individual characters, not parings. The current system for both writers and readers are defined in characters with no hint to pairing.

2) The order of characters are not important to the site. There is no character precedence by design.

3) When you search for characters, you are looking for stories with characters you are interested in. There is no pairing relationship involved. Due to the fact that there were only 2 slots available previously, users implied a pairing relationship.

With that said, we will be releasing a true-pairing system soon. True pairing system is currently in design phase and will be released when ready and possibly much sooner pending a medical decision from Dr. Noahsleep regarding excessive caffeine intake for our mutant developers.

So there you have it. Two characters are not equal to a pairing and you currently cannot set or filter pairings but everything will change soon.

P.S. We just added Amazon login support.

 
272 Comments

Posted by on 08/22/2013 in Uncategorized

 

272 responses to “Characters and Pairing

  1. Gurra (@Gurra)

    08/22/2013 at 12:05 pm

    The pairing news is much appreciated.

    Another feature request or change.

    When browsing on a mobile device and one opens a link to a story from a mail or another webpage one is most often presented by the normal “desktop” page.

    On the the top of the page there is a icon so one can chose to go to the mobile site, this brings ones browser to the main page (http://m.fanfiction.net/m/yes_mobile.php).

    Would it be possible to have the the mobile icon reload the current page, but for mobile instead?

     
    • EMA

      08/22/2013 at 3:13 pm

      i would love that, because i switch back and forth on my tablet

       
    • Seiba!!!

      08/23/2013 at 9:42 am

      I second this!

       
      • UniquelyMi

        08/25/2013 at 9:00 am

        I agree! Also, I wish we could tag our stories and then search those tags, like “Time travel” or “Slytherin!Harry”. It is possible to just use those as your key words, but then you get a lot of stuff you don’t want as well. And have the same options we have when searching as when browsing. (Mostly sort by reviews).

         
      • Simoneau

        08/29/2013 at 6:04 pm

        @UniquelyMi – you mean tags like on AO3? No thanks – trying to find my way around that garbled mess of a site gives me indigestion.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/25/2013 at 11:56 pm

        @ Simoneau ~ Agreed.

         
    • Adri Mars

      08/26/2013 at 1:34 pm

      I think the easiest remedy of doing that is to make the original layout/original site responsive so there wouldn’t be a need for a separate link to go to the mobile version and vice versa. Not only that a responsive-designed website is easier to maintain, but all users regardless of the device they’re using (desktop, laptop, tablet, mobile) would be able to see the same layout and basically the same thing. Also, it’s easier to update a responsive-designed website (just update once) because with a mobile-version of the site, you’ll have to update twice (the original and the mobile sites). Just a suggestion though. ^^

       
  2. varvarval

    08/22/2013 at 12:06 pm

    One of my favorite fanfiction site has the ability to select a genre fanfictions get/slash/femslesh see if you will have something like that?

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/25/2013 at 11:59 pm

      No thank you. That’s fine and dandy on a site that allows unlimited options when picking genre but this site only allows two. People would demand that all slash fic be labeled with the slash genre tag and then those writers would only have one other tag option. That’s not fair to them. That, and the problem I have on even the sites that allow genre to be picked is non-slash doesn’t have to be labeled. That’s not right.

       
  3. Sora

    08/22/2013 at 12:18 pm

    Thank you guys so much for the appreciated “pairing” feature coming soon. Of course, that is only in thought, we’ll have to test it to see if we like it.

    Now for other site changes, can you guys please create a “disable” button for the share stuff. I really don’t feel comfortable with someone being able to send links immediately to a site such as Facebook, or Twitter, with a direct link to my account. It makes it easy for flamers to find and easier for thieves to take the work. So, if you could please do something about that, it would be great.

    Another thing that I have noticed that you guys need to do, is remind users of a certain rule in the FF Guidelines. (Copying from a previously published work not in the public domain.). There are these stories called “Characters Read the Books” in many of the Book archives where they take the copyrighted text from the books, and have characters read them. I’m not saying you should go on a purge again, (though that would be wonderful for our MA violators) but you might want to do something about that new story type before you get any lawsuits thrown your way again.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/22/2013 at 12:58 pm

      Yes please. Sometimes these people writing the “Characters Read the Books” series are far worse attitude wise then those who write RPF as are their fans. Actually… what would be really nice even if the site admins can’t get through much of the reports at this time is to post a blog clarifying that “Characters Read the Books” that copy from the books (there is a way to do it without copying any text from the book) not only isn’t allowed but it is considered to be a major infringement on the original creators rights. Also clarify that it doesn’t matter if people change some words of the original text either… some people honestly think that changing a few words still constitutes an infringement.

      While you’re at it you may also want to clarify that RPF of non-historical characters are not allowed as well as Original Fiction isn’t allowed. Same thing for song-fics with songs non-in public domain. If you announce it those of us warning people have a bit more to go on then just the rules list. We can say… the site admins confirmed its still a big no-no. I mean, we tend to be dealing with younger writers in these cases. Plagiarism and copyright infringement isn’t taught in school either.

      Other things to clarify… script format isn’t allowed. Also clarify whether or not second person narrative is or isn’t included under “interactive fanfiction” and if it isn’t clarify what constitutes non-interactive for second person narrative.

       
      • liketolaugh

        08/22/2013 at 2:44 pm

        While you do have a point that that is an invasion of rights, I would like to make my own point that people KNOW it’s against the rules. Reasserting it isn’t going to stop them.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:09 pm

        Considering I’ve come across quite a few kids who don’t even know what “public domain” means until I tell them… no, not all of them know or understand it is against the rules. It’s no so much reasserting that they need but clarification, particularly when the issue isn’t taught in schools like it should be.

         
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 4:11 pm

        While I agree that the “Characters Reading the Books” are usually against the rules, I would like to add that J.K. and the publishers have said specifically, as many fans have actually gone to them and asked, that they’re okay with it so long as no money is made. While I can’t claim the same for other fandoms, it should be noted that at least Harry Potter series and the owners of the copyright of it have expressed permission on this front.

         
      • A.J. Goode

        08/22/2013 at 4:30 pm

        Erica, there are also artists who are supposedly okay with RPFs about them, too. But that’s not the point. It’s easy to get caught up in arguments over things like legalities, fair use, copyright infringement and so on, but that’s NOT what’s at issue here.

        The site rules say “Don’t do it.”.

        If the site rules said “Don’t include any stories with the word ‘yellow'”, writers would be expected to respect that rule as well, or risk deletion of their stories.

        It doesn’t matter if JK Rowling is okay with Reading the Book stories, or if members of BVB are okay with erotica written about them. What matters us that THIS site doesn’t allow writers to post those stories HERE. You can write them all you want; nobody is trying to stop you from writing them. You just can’t post them on Fanfiction. net.

         
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 4:36 pm

        To A.J. Goode: And I would also add that the mods on this site, if I remember correctly, had previously desisted on the point of at least the “Characters Reading the Books” in the HP fandom. I’d have to find all the author pages and fics that have spread that news, but to my knowledge that’s what’s been said on that front. Again, I only know this from the HP fandom, so I can’t say anything about other “Characters Reading the Books” in other fandoms.

         
      • A.J. Goode

        08/22/2013 at 5:01 pm

        I guess I’d have to see that, Erica.

        I have also seen the letter that is circulating on FFNet that was supposedly sent by Ms Rowling’s agent, giving specific permission to writers on FFNet to plagiarize her work as much as they like. I am skeptical, to say the least.

        Those “Reading the Book” stories are also considered MST’s, which are also specifically prohibited. So, even if the letter from Ms Rowling’s agent turns out to be legit, it doesn’t change the fact that MST- style stories aren’t allowed. Even if, by some chance, this site gives a pass to anyone who wants to plagiarize the Harry Potter books, it still doesn’t change the fact that “Reading the Book” stories STILL aren’t allowed.

         
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 5:26 pm

        To AJ Goode: Well, you’ll have to wait for a bit. I’ll have to go searching for them for you. I can’t quite remember them at the top of my head, so I’ll have to search through fics and try to remember author names to get them.

         
      • cathy massey

        08/22/2013 at 8:33 pm

        By interactive,do you mean constructed as the old ‘Sugarcane Island / Choose Your Own Adventure’ kid’s paperbacks? I’ve never run into any fics like that.

        I’m curious – as long as they’re set in the proper setting, with the fandom characters populating it, why are they barred? (Other than seeming a nightmare possibility for Mary Sues?)

        I think the only second person stories I’ve run into (most of them on other sites) would qualify for the ‘Experimental’ genre discussed earlier, in that they were done by writers ‘flexing their muscles’ by trying a challenging format. They were excellent. The best was done by a student who was a speaker of a different language and wrote English language fan fiction to practice. In her preface, she stated that she was trying something new. She nailed it.

         
      • freelanceragentcolorado

        08/22/2013 at 9:08 pm

        To A.J Goode, I would like for you to show me where it says that, using your example, Red vs Blue/Rooster Teeth/Achievement Hunter/RWBY (although not specific to these areas) erotica is prohibited. I have read, re-read, and read again all the rules of fanfiction.net trying to find said rule, and have not found any evidence of it. I believe that this was attempted to be put into place at one point, leading to a site-wide petition to LEAVE stories with lemons, or erotica for that matter, was it not?

         
      • A.J. Goode

        08/23/2013 at 11:08 am

        @ freelanceragentcolorado: I’m not sure what you mean about Red/Blue/ Rooster Teeth, etc. I was referring to the site rule against RPF — stories about real people. That particular rule can be found in the guidelines, under Entries Not Allowed:

        4. Stories with non-historical and non-fictional characters: actors, musicians, and etc.

        If you are talking about the fact that I used the words “BVB erotica”, I was referring to the sexually explicit fanfics about members of Black Veil Brides as an example of some of the creepier RPFs out there. My point was about the real people in the stories, not the rating.

        The whole M/MA discussion is an entirely different issue. Personally, I think the MA Petition was kind of silly; it’s like petitioning your neighbor to paint his house a different color. The site belongs to Xing et al, and they choose not to allow MA material. Doesn’t matter what their reasons are, doesn’t matter how many people want to whine about Freedom of whatever, doesn’t matter how many other sites allow it. The fine folks who own and run FFNet and FictionPress choose not to allow it.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 10:06 pm

        While I agree that the “Characters Reading the Books” are usually against the rules, I would like to add that J.K. and the publishers have said specifically, as many fans have actually gone to them and asked, that they’re okay with it so long as no money is made.

        On top of what A.J. Goode has said… source please. I’ve actually came across someone claiming that they found out that Rowling was fine with “Characters Reading the Books” only to find out the “source” they got their information from wasn’t even associated with Rowling or the publishers and couldn’t give an official answer. I only found this out because I asked the person this question and even after I told them that didn’t count as an official answer they continued to post that Rowling had given the official O.K. It was after this I saw others making the claim Rowling was fine with it.

        I have a hard time believing that a woman whose very protective of her intellectual property rights would actually be all right with people copying her words in the copious amounts they’re doing and basically providing a free copy of the book online. That’s very different then not liking fanfiction.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        08/23/2013 at 12:06 am

        Erica – you are incorrect. When you ask The Blair Partnership if “Read-The-Book” fanfiction is allowed, please word it to them so they are clear on your intent. Put it to them like so:

        “Dear sirs,

        I would like to publish a fanfiction in which I have Harry Potter read the entire book written by JK Rowling. The fiction will consist 98% of Rowling’s work and 2% of commentary from me from Harry’s perspective.

        If you allow me to post this on fanfiction.net, you will be signing away her moral and legal rights.

        Is this okay by you?”

        Just see what kind of an answer you get back. It’s **not** going to be approval.

        Before you take someone’s word for what they’ve received from someone’s agent as approval to do something, send a copy of what they’re claiming and ask if it’s okay. You certainly wouldn’t like to be blindsided by a C&D from Rowling because you went with the flow.

        So you know, I’ve corresponded with the Blair Partnership twice. They respond within one week.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 3:19 am

        @ Rogue Mudblood ~ You reminded me of the fact I also asked the person I referenced in my post above what wording they used and they made the comment they couldn’t remember, to which I responded if the question had simply been “are stories where the characters read the books o.k.” the answer would have been “yes”, However, if you word it in the particular way that you did the answer will be a definite “no”. So pretty much Reading the Book stories are o.k only if you don’t copy from the original material.

        Actually… I’ve heard that RtBs upset the writer of the Percy Jackson series and that he was pretty much insulted that a fan asked if they could copy and use good solid chunks of the story in their fanfic. I believe what he said was something along the lines of… “that’s not writing a story”.

         
      • Erica

        08/23/2013 at 4:34 am

        First to Rogue Mudblood: I hadn’t talked about emailing anyone. I just stated that someone did (said I’d get back to everyone here about sources, so I wasn’t “conclusive”), and that I would obviously try hard so that I could back my claim. Of course, if you’re advising me to do so (as in email), if I was inclined to, then sure. It would be good for everyone on this front and I have no argument against it. As I don’t think links would work, I went searching for who I said had the email and they had it on their profile:

        ///I emailed The Blair Partnership about the ‘reading the books’ buisness, they replied and said as long as you don’t try to make money from it you are fine!!!!!!!!!!!! PASS THIS MESSAGE ON!

        This is the accual email I received

        Dear Amy,

        Many thanks for getting in touch with us again.

        Whilst it is fine for you to write a Harry Potter inspired story or fan fiction for your own personal enjoyment, as J.K. Rowling’s agents we are obliged to remind you would not be allowed to publish this commercially (this means selling it for money!)

        Best wishes,

        The Blair Partnership

        The Blair Partnership

        x

        Furthermore, I received this from a plagiarism report on Fanfiction!

        I am a moderator at the community Stop Plagiarism and a report has come in regarding your stories: Bella Potter Reads Philosophers Stone, Bella Potter Reads Chamber of Secrets an Bella Potter Read The Prisoner of Azkaban. I wanted to let you know of the report.

        I can see the style in which they are written, where you have direct lines from the original stories being ‘read out’ by other people.

        I would advise that the best idea is to state credit to the original author very clearly (i.e J K Rowling), maybe in an Author’s note. The style of your stories is a common trend but it is very important to state the credit where it is due.///

        On the site versus HP reading books (I couldn’t find the fics I had been reading, where they’d spread the news about this (as it was a long time ago), but instead I found a forum that announced the news specifically:

        ///THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST “Harry Potter & Co. reads Harry Potter and the [insert title]” HAS CONCLUDED!

        Thanks to a massive influx of discontented readers, the campaign is over. The reports will stop for now. I bow to the wishes of the masses.

        My apologies go out to all of you who feel I personally attacked your work, or a story you enjoy reading.

        Additionally, I feel like such a jerk and a tool for this quite frankly purile and idiotic action that amounts to little more than a temper tantrum that I’m permanently resigning from Fanfiction dot net. To those of you who enjoyed “The Serpent’s Mirror,” I’m turning over the writing of the story to author “Dusk Ado”, who’s asked for permission to write it him/herself since I’ve been horribly neglecting it (though his last post was years ago.)

        Feel free to continue mauling me verbally through messages, I really deserve it. I’ll still get them through e-mail to remind me of how very stupid my action was. Farewell.

        This was from Heart of Aiur profile page (www.fanfiction.net/u/2556423/Heart_of_Aiur)

        what do guys think of this?

        Update: Dear Fanfiction.net Staff,

        Having received many angry messages from authors and readers of certain fan fictions that I have reported over the past week, I’ve realized what a mistake it was to even start my campaign. I’m currently writing at the behest of the aforementioned writers and readers to have their stories restored to the site. The stories that I know have been removed so far are as follows:

        Umbridge’s Meddling Part 1 – By Lazybum89

        Many readers would appreciate the restoration of these stories.

        I am formally withdrawing all complaints, abuse reports, and negative reviews forthwith from all the above stories.

        Heart of Aiur///

        I can’t say the the emails posted on the profile can be completely verified, but it seems legit. However, again, maybe not enough for the rest of you (and certainly, who knows if he/she had specifically asked The Blair Partnership on that type of fic, which descriptions of it). On the parts of the desist against those kind of fics, I don’t think would be untrue due to the huge celebration news spread through fics and the forum. (To yemi: I said nothing about other fandoms and stayed to HP, PJO is another matter.)

         
      • A.J. Goode

        08/23/2013 at 6:51 am

        Erica, you did a lot of research here, and I’m sure we all appreciate your hard work in locating that profile. But it STILL boils down to one very simple fact: This site doesn’t allow it. Period. Full stop. “Not allowed” means “not allowed”. It doesn’t matter if JK Rowling and the Blair Partnership sign away all rights and gift-wrap the Harry Potter books for everyone to plagiarize to their hearts’ content — unless Rowling and Blair are the owners of FFNet, they have NO SAY in what takes place here.

        This reminds me of those people who want to quote legal precedents and Constitutional Amendments to back up their theories that they have the rights to write as they please. I’m sure that’s true, and I am all in favor of creative freedom. But the people at FFNet and FictionPress have never stifled anybody’s freedom by saying “Don’t write that!” Not at all. What they are saying is, “Don’t post it HERE.”

         
      • Erica

        08/23/2013 at 11:24 am

        To A.J. Goode: Then that is of course the case. However, I did point out that the mods seemingly stopped on the HP front, hence why so many of those fics and their authors have pointed that out.

        To Simoneau: ///However, again, maybe not enough for the rest of you (and certainly, who knows if he/she had specifically asked The Blair Partnership on that type of fic, which descriptions of it)/// I hadn’t argued against all of you, simply brought up what had been said on the other side. If you are all absolutely, completely correct, then wouldn’t it better to correct them (as they genuinely believe it’s alright, with all these seeming messages being passed around, TOS aside)?

        To Roge Mublood: Seeing as you have already sent those emails, then I will respectfully wait for your answers from them. That letter was been floating around, because it’s been asked to be re-posted by everyone to show that “It’s okay” for those fics to be posted. By your account, if that person is wrong, then they’re spreading misleading information and by large, a group of people have a misleading view. It should be corrected then.

        Again, why are you asking “me” what I’ve emailed them? I’ve already told you I’m not the one who emailed them or anyone. You all asked for my sources and I gave them. And again, I didn’t say I’d verify it, only I’d tell you all where I got my information, and I wanted to get back to AJ Goode quickly, so that he/she wouldn’t think I was just saying I would get back to he/she with those sources. If I were going to verify it, then I would have taken more time. As for Heart of Aiur, I do remember this person and their profile, which has changed. I kept remembering their name without the “i”, which is why when I searched for them, they didn’t come up (as well as they changed it, barring the forum post which is also from a long time ago, and wouldn’t update a single post to show this person and has changed their name and what their profile had).

        Since I put a self-imposed time restraint on myself to reply to AJ Goode, I didn’t verify. Yes, I agree I probably should have, but I did say I would only get my sources and not verification. On that point, on my first post about this topic, I probably jumped the gun and shouldn’t have sounded so assured and certain of what was said on JK’s and her publishers’ behalf, given there is no official and/or public reply about it, and so I apologize on that.

        Also, since links seemed to work here:

        http://readingthehpbooks.proboards.com/thread/16

        http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2887519/xxJLCSAADFRNCxx

         
      • Simoneau

        08/23/2013 at 7:16 am

        I have to express some doubt as to whether the material quoted by Erica is justification for the practice of having the characters read the book.

        The Blair Partnership email *doesn’t* give any form of permission for the writer to quote copious slabs of Rowling’s original material; it reads to me like permission to write one’s own original fiction inspired by Rowling’s work, which isn’t the same thing.

        The other stuff quoted frankly reads like it’s been made up by some fourteen-year-old who’s trying to convince her readers that she’s stood up to the critics and forced them to back down. I very much doubt the provenance.

        The question is moot anyway, because whether it’s permitted by the author or not, it’s still against the conditions of use. Anyone who agrees to comply with Xing’s terms when they have no intention of doing so, and who then throws a tantrum when called on it, deserves everything they get.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        08/23/2013 at 8:50 am

        Simoneau – *Exactly*. It says one may write fanfiction, not plagiarise JK Rowling. And that letter is an exact copy of another one that I’ve seen floating around on profiles on the site.

        And I agree – if you violate the terms you subjected yourself to in posting to begin with, and your account/sumission is deleted? Well, that was one of the terms you agreed to.

        So the question remains, and Erica, I direct this to you – what did you ask them **exactly**? If you weren’t precise in your wording and only asked, “Can I write Harry Potter fanfiction?” Well, yeah. Rowling likes her fan base and she’s been generous in allowing it.

        If you can’t verify it – if you haven’t verified it – you can’t trust it. Fanfiction is playing in someone else’s playground. While you’ve pulled up a few web pages, you haven’t contacted the original people quoted. Ask the Blair Partnership what they have to say about “Read-The-Book”.

        Further, if you’re going to ask a coppyright/license holder permission to post their copyrighted material to a website, before you can accept that they’re giving permission, you must point out the terms of service of the site to them. If it gives away their rights (and publishing on FFN gives away some rights – read the TOS), then any author publishing for profit is going to say “NO.”

        Additionally, there is a line at the bottom of all correspondence sent out by the Blair Partnership that anyone who has actually received an e-mail from them can tell you. The entire paragraph following the signature comes into play here, because anyone posting the content of an e-mail on their profile has violated that first paragraph. I’ll grant you it’s just legalese, but the fact remains it’s there.

        Ask your source where they got that e-mail. And if they claim that the Blair Partnership sent it, ask them what that first paragraph says – **specifically** the last line.

        The bottom line? Verifying your sources puts paid to blind acceptance of someone else’s research on any day. Example? http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2556423/Heart_of_Aiur – the profile page you linked – well, first, the s/n has changed. Secondly, **none** of that material you quoted even comes *close* to being what’s on that page. That page was last modified 2013-05-07. Again, who’s your source?

        Your first question, when someone makes a legal claim, should always be “Who is your source?” If it’s not, then you’re just going with the flow and when you get served a C&D or get sued by the license holder, you only have yourself to blame.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        08/23/2013 at 9:32 am

        @yemi hikari – I had to go back through my e-mail to be certain I wasn’t going to provide incorrect information. I have yet to receive a response from Nancy Gallt (Mr Riordan’s agent) in regards to this issue. It has been quite some time, so I am sending a follow-up missive. I also will be sending a missive to Writer’s House where Jodi Reamer (Ms Meyer’s agent) is employed to request their position.

        I will ask them for permission to publicly post their response (should there be one) up front. I neglected to do this with The Blair Partnership, so I am waiting on their answer to a third missive requesting permission to make publicly available the full text of their response.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        08/23/2013 at 11:45 am

        @ Erica – so I went and looked up the text of that profile blurb supposedly coming from Heart of Aiur, and found it posted only two other places – both on the same day: 2012-05-30.

        http://www.fanfiction.net/r/6818898/0/4/ – a review board where an anon reviewer claims that the material comes from them and

        http://readingthehpbooks.proboards.com/thread/16?page=1 – a site dedicated to stories which infringe on Ms. Rowling’s copyright.

        Do you have any additional links that will actually prove (a screenshot would be great) that this supposed message was actually typed by Heart of Aiur and posted to their profile?

        I’ve messaged FFN User 2556423 so that they will be aware of what is being said regarding their stance and will have the opportunity to defend themselves in regards to your claims.

        I recognize you say you specifically didn’t send an e-mail; I have told you that **I** did send one. I encourage you to send one as well. Send a copy of the letter, as well as a link to a copy of the story being posted that the correspondence which the poster claims came from the Blair Project is intended to defend. Ask them if the letter permits such content.

        I have received an answer from the Blair Project regarding publicly posting their answer to me as a general response and they have asked that I do not, because they wish to evaluate each case individually. I will respect that decision, and encourage you to research the matter on your own with them.

        Do not blindly accept what someone tells you to be fact – look into the matter. If they tell you they got their information from thus-n-so, *ask* the source if that’s what was meant. That’s what I did. Certainly feel free to ask them about anything I’ve told you here as well – but quote me exactly. Don’t edit or censor my statements. Link to this thread – let them see what’s being said. Let them determine for themselves, upon examining the evidence, what position they want to take. Don’t manipulate them into a statement by only giving them half of the facts.

         
      • heartofaiur

        08/23/2013 at 1:30 pm

        To: Erica
        Subject: Many laughs were had

        I’m sorry, but the only reason the campaign “ended” was to desist the sheer number of hate mail PM I received. I’m rather amused at how much you twisted the exact wording of my statement to fit how you wanted it to be seen. I apologized to the “writers” yes, but I quoted the EXACT point of the TOS their so-called “fan fiction” was breaking.
        You’d be surprised how many people thought that the “rules and TOS are open to any interpretation required to facilitate freedom of press”…I believe that was the exact wording of one such message.

        RogueMudblood’s comment on asking for permission on exactly what you plan to do is the absolute gist of why I’m skeptical of anyone saying they got “permission” from JKR or anyone to write a “Reads the books” story. For fun, just today I found a story that was “Read the Books”, copied the chapter into Word and got a word count. I then removed every single quoted piece of text from the chapter (it wasn’t hard, they were all in bold) and ended up with a new word count. Running them through the calculator showed that the person had a chapter – ONE chapter – where 87.328% of the “fan fiction” didn’t belong to them in a sense of intellectual property. The next chapter was even worse, with 92.87% NOT belonging to the author. I’m pretty sure that qualifies as both MST, and copyright infringement.

        But my favorite hate-PM I got was someone whining about how I got their favorite story deleted – because that’s how they READ THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS. They couldn’t afford the books, they couldn’t be half-bothered to go to their local library and RENT the books, they couldn’t BORROW the books from a friend, no. They had to go online and essentially steal the books off the internet.

        But, even if you’ve gotten a legitimate go-ahead to plagiarize the books, you still can’t on ff.net. The TOS don’t allow it. Remember those Terms? The ones you agreed to in order to create your account? The ones you repeatedly affirm that you understand and intend to abide by every week or so if you publish stuff?

        Yeah those.
        They don’t allow “Read the Books” fan fiction.

         
      • Erica

        08/23/2013 at 2:21 pm

        I didn’t twist anything. I found what post said you said and posted here (it had one side of the issue, and now you’ve come with your’s -therefore both sides have now been represented). Why are you twisting MY words? I don’t agree with you being attacked, and I agree with the TOS being violated with those types of fics (especially given the actual comments inserted are not as large as the copied text, so there’s extremely less original thought), but I started with this on saying that the HP fandom had permission and should be excluded (and reevaluating given Rogue Mudblood’s statements and that the “letter” can’t be currently verified and/or be official). Those people sound young and immature. Why are you taking them seriously? If you’re that aggravated, talk smack back to them or ignore them. Idiots will be idiots. Your attack on my self seems senseless.

        To Rogue Mudblood: I don’t have additional links; actually I don’t feel inclined to look for any. Going down this road any further would seem like I’m aiming to attack heartofaiur, which I don’t want to. Avoiding him/her, of this topic then, I would agree to also sending an email to The Blair Publishing, as to further clear up this matter. I did also recognize you sent emails, and I also then said that (to clear up you previous message to me) that if you were suggesting I send an email, then okay. I don’t usually accept things as blind fact, but I also stated that I was putting a time restraint on myself to answer to AJ Goode, so I didn’t verify. And I also stated that I probably jumped the gun on asserting the claims of JK et al’s “official” sanctioning. I would also never presume to edit or censor your statements.

         
      • HorusTheAvenger (The Plagiarism Report)

        08/23/2013 at 2:14 pm

        @Erica

        1. First off, should mention that yours truly just happens to be one of the moderators for stop_plagiarism.
        2. To avoid any inadvertent spread of misinformation, please take note that stop_plagiarism is a group based on LJ for the censure of plagiarists and manned by volunteers. They are not affiliated with the FFN administration or JK Rowling.
        3. Even if someone did receive a genuine message (currently not verified due to lack of identifying information) from one of the moderators that says “it’s ok as long as you credit”, stop_plagiarism staff have no authority over the admins of another site. If the site rules say “no copyrighted information”, the site rules have precedence.
        4. The Plagiarism Report has previously received an email from the FFN site admins that clearly states, and we quote:
        “To be safe, we do not allow any inclusion of copyrighted passages within fanfictions. Please help us spread the word.”
        (Full email text and headers here: http://www.fanfiction.net/topic/124913/78263205/1/#93903929)
        5. From there it should be very clear that including copyrighted passages from the original books as is done in more RtB fanfics is not allowed on FFN, regardless of what permissions other letters from whatever other parties might have granted.

        -H.A.
        The Plagiarism Report
        stop_plagiarism

         
      • Erica

        08/23/2013 at 2:24 pm

        Then thank for taking the time to chime in. (No, I’m not being sarcastic.)

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 3:03 pm

        Sorry Erica but that writer isn’t credible at all. That’s actually the writer I mentioned in my earlier post that I was trying to avoid naming them and as I thought she’s the likely source of this bad rumor. I recognize her because of the particular title of this series.

        When I originally talked to her, her source wasn’t the Blaire Project but a tour guide from that popular Harry Potter tour. At the bottom of their website it clearly stated it wasn’t affiliated with the copyright holders. Note how she doesn’t quote the question she actually asked either? For all we know she just asked about fanfiction or if it was all right for the characters to read the books.

        Also, she’s taking stop plagiarisms “give credit” as an indicator that her story isn’t breaking the site rules, when it is not. Stop plagiarism deals specifically with plagiarism issues. If credit is given to any writer the case is out of their hands. This is for fanfiction though.

        I’m also going to note that the site admins not cracking down on the Harry Potter ones is no indicator that they’re not an issue. Why? Because as other people have noted they’ve been slow all around on the issue. However, the fact that she’s spreading these kinds of rumors and people are believing them is a high indicator that the site admins need to do another purge, even if it is just of all the Reading the Book stories. That… are give their stance on them.

        @ HorusTheAvenger ~ I’m actually the one who sent in the case to you guys. The response back I got from you guys was actually a rejection. Whoever moderated the case let this one slide despite the fact it does contain copious amounts of copyrighted passages with minor substitutions. I don’t know if it was before or after you guys got the e-mail though or if it was a bad moderation case. In other words the writer really was told that just giving credit is all right. Her Twilight crossover at the time also copied from the Twilight series as well and that was also in the report. To note, it was back in November of last year.

         
      • Erica

        08/23/2013 at 3:17 pm

        And hence why I was glad to have brought it up here, and in the process learned something of her from you. Things like this don’t circulate around the actual site, besides the support for messages. I told Rogue Mudblood this several posts back: “By your account, if that person is wrong, then they’re spreading misleading information and by large, a group of people have a misleading view. It should be corrected then.” There is misleading information and people actually believe it, especially in this “spread and repost” manner that is usually use.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 3:28 pm

        You are so right about how the spread of misinformation works. It comes down to the fact people think they can trust someone’s word. However, this case is just like the twitter post… I think it was twitter… where someone claimed they were told by the site admins that it was all right to write in second person narrative, but the wording of the actual letter reply if you tore it apart made the reply very questionable.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 3:36 pm

        P.S. I’m going to add here something that I explained to that particular writer. It is very hard to believe that Rowling would approve of people lifting lines of her text in copious amounts like this.

        This is a writer who takes her rights very seriously and at one point even forbade fanfiction because she felt it indeed did infringe on her rights. When someone explained to her the fans were just borrowing the characters and places and not making money off of it she then allowed fanfiction.

        This is a writer whose not only faced many lawsuits falsely accusing her of plagiarism, but who also took the time to block the publication of the Lexicon that was supposed to be published by someone else that used too much of her own information and not enough of their own.

        Also… one of the reasons she loves fanfiction is because she wants to foster positive writing habits among her fans. Copying large chunks of writing isn’t positive writing habits at all.

        And… she also believes that not standing up for her rights with as popular as she has become will only serve to make it harder for other writers to stand up for their rights when they need to.

        So no. There are other reasons not to believe the rumor as well.

         
      • Erica

        08/23/2013 at 3:53 pm

        In exactly. I did, unfortunately and mistakenly, believe that person’s word. As have many others. I’m also highly irritated and upset to know that they are basically a liar (but I was stupid enough not to follow up on it, and actually go straight to the publishers myself). Although, my negative feelings may also be exacerbated by the fact I stumbled on an old blog post by a Lee Goldberg…

        I also extremely agree with JK’s view on fanfiction, and love how it not only fostered my own writing but in helping others too. She definitely should stand up for her rights, which also makes what this person did in spreading lies even more upsetting to me.

         
      • Cmcwiki

        08/23/2013 at 4:39 pm

        I’m wondering if it is possible to write a Hp reads the books without using the books.

        What I mean is that instead of reading the books, they find a filing cabinet full of articles from the wiki site?

         
      • Erica

        08/23/2013 at 4:44 pm

        I was also wondering that. I thought that maybe instead of full out taking passages from the book, they would summarized what happened. Not paraphrase -as in same story, switching words,etc.etc. -but a summary of what happened in that passage or line so that the reactions the characters have to it won’t be confusing (like “what exactly are they reacting to?”).

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 5:28 pm

        Yes. It is possible to write a Reading the Books series without quoting the source material. I have however never come across a RtB that doesn’t and I don’t have time to write one either. One of the reasons for this is because the writers of RtB use the lines in the book to formulate what they themselves write rather then thinking outside of the box.

        For example… if I were to write a story about Lily reading the books I would have her find out that Harry was abused by her Aunt and then have her go ballistic on Petunia. I would focus on those small things rather then having a bunch of characters comment. Particularly since doing it the way people have them do it has the characters say things they wouldn’t normally say whether it be out of character or just something someone wouldn’t logically say in real life, but because what the writer is doing is MSTing they find themselves commenting every single line practically even when there is no need.

        This goes for all RtB mind you, not just HP. Also… the above is what makes the complaints about getting their RtB deleted even more irritating. It is possible to write one without breaking the site rules.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/28/2013 at 1:15 pm

        P.S. I just remembered something else. I see a lot of people suggesting people just move to another site with the RtB stuff, however… the majority of archives actually don’t allow the RtB that ffnet doesn’t allow. The only site I haven’t seen this issue on is A03, but that site actually allows works from writers who have requested no fanfiction be written for their stories. They still may actually have rules against copying large amounts like most RtB writers do. It’s a site though that tries to argue that fanfiction is in a legal white area despite the fact there have been no court cases on the matter.

         
    • Axel'sQueenofFire

      08/23/2013 at 10:51 pm

      I second that, it’s like when I do these things on deviantART, I choose to disable share links so only my friends there can see it.

       
  4. fdarcy

    08/22/2013 at 12:40 pm

    Thank you for listening to us, I will look forward to the improvement.

     
  5. Nippy

    08/22/2013 at 12:55 pm

    This is really exciting update, I was just about to comment on how the four character system right now is kind of annoying to find stories. Thats why I hated other fanfiction sites. Lots of stories have four characters listed now and even though we can filter two characters, other characters that weren’t filtered show because people apparently like adding four characters even though most of the time they never utilize all four characters. Its like advertising their story to have four characters as if that would attract more more readers :\

    Its a minor annoyance because their are still some god authors out their who put up the characters their actually gonna write about but this might clear up a lot of the clutter. I cant wait :)

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/22/2013 at 1:27 pm

      I was a bit confused as to how this would be helpful in this regard, but then When you search for characters, you are looking for stories with characters you are interested in. does imply that the four character slots aren’t supposed to be used for non-important characters. Since the admins clearly have stated it if we get complaints from someone who says otherwise we can say the admins have stated it.

      That said, if you do leave a review or write a PM write it as if you don’t think the characters play an important role. Sometimes they do play an important role later on… though a writer shouldn’t mark said characters until they’ve actually posted the chapters the character starts playing a major role in. If a character does play an important role they should be able to tell who where roughly the character comes in, not “they will be important later, I’ve not written it”. This way you can say… umm… no… they’re still a side character.

       
      • Turpin

        08/22/2013 at 2:06 pm

        If this so called minimal character becomes a focal point later on then the author absolutely should list that character. They shouldn’t wait. That’s ridiculous. I’m not going to read any ol’ story and just hope & pray that my favorite character is suddenly added. Readers should know from the beginning who the major characters are going to be and the best way to do that is to fill in the character slots correctly. Who cares if they don’t show up till chapter 3? They play a major role consistently after that. With comments like that, writers are then going to want the option to list each character for every chapter. Sheesh.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:12 pm

        I should have clarified the fact I was referring to characters that don’t become main characters until the second half of the story which can be ten or more chapters in depending on the stories.

         
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 4:28 pm

        To yemi hikari: A clarification is definitely needed to be put up somewhere, so that everyone knows how to use the filters correctly. As you said in another post, most people on the site don’t actually go to the blogs to read what’s new. I was certainly a little unsure of how they wanted us to really use the four character features.

        This defined description of it certainly helped and would probably really help a lot of others.

        (Although I will say that if a character is important in the story and plays a big part, they should be listed from the beginning, because it would be correct in filling in the slots and informing the readers of what they are in for, rather than a blindside or misinformation.)

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:37 pm

        By listing the particular type of main character I’m talking about before you get to the part where they become a main character you only end up getting certain readers hopes up or really irritated. I say this having come across many incomplete stories on accounts abandoned by writers that the character may have been intended to be a main character but never shows up because the writer never gets to the point.

         
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 4:48 pm

        But then it would be the author’s fault for not finishing, rather than that the character of interest in subject, wouldn’t it? The readers take the risk of finding and reading a story that might not be finished all the time, as there’s no guarantee an author will finish the story.

         
      • fems

        08/22/2013 at 6:23 pm

        I have to agree with the others who are saying that any main characters (or whatever you want to call them, you know what I mean) should be listed from the start. It’s exactly the same as a title or summary and you’re not going to change that halfway through the story either, are you? Well, unless you’re one of those people who feel it necessary to include a “chapter [no] now up!] or a quote/line from the latest chapter, but that’s not really what summaries are for.

        Heck, if we’re talking about clarifying any rules in blog posts or elsewhere (personally I think the proper area would be the account area, with specific explanations regarding characters and such at the character area) a few comments above here, we might as well start giving everyone a crash course in writing in general and how to formulate a summary.

        Personally, I think it’s ridiculous: people should just read the rules and use a bit of common sense. It’s really not that hard to figure out that when you have two character slots you add the two most important characters, so when there’s four slots you only use them to include the four most important characters unless they’re minor characters because then you would have to choose between which minor characters you should list. Honestly, if people can’t figure out for themselves how to use the four character slots when uploading a story they probably shouldn’t be writing anything (or at least sharing it worldwide) in the first place.

        One thing about the rules, though, is that it wouldn’t kill you guys to update them once in a while and if that includes clarifications for the thickheaded folks, then so be it. Frankly, I think the issue isn’t not understanding the rules but simply not bothering to read them. I know I don’t read them every time I upload a new story (only did so for my first story) because they haven’t been updated since 11-20-2008, a few years before I even joined. These days there are a lot more things that could be included, or at least more up-to-date terminology like using the term “real people fic” (RPF) instead of/in addition to “Stories with non-historical and non-fictional characters: actors, musicians, and etc.” (also there shouldn’t be an ‘and’ before etc) because obviously there are plenty of tweens who are too dim to understand a full sentence like that and only respond to RPF if certain fandoms and attitudes over there are any indication…

         
  6. Sonicfanx1

    08/22/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Speaking of the new filter tweak… I seem to be having problems with the mobile version. Every time I change the ratings to “all” I get kicked into this…page. Sorry, forgot how to describe it but it’s an annoying bug.

     
    • Xing

      08/22/2013 at 1:33 pm

      Can’t reproduce your problem. Specific url would be great.

       
      • emilirving

        08/22/2013 at 7:57 pm

        http://m.fanfiction.net/Halo_and_Highschool-of-the-Dead_Crossovers/1342/3187/?p=1&pt=0&srt=1&t=0&g1=0&g2=0&r=4&lan=0&len=0&s=0&c1=0&c2=0&c3=0&c4=0&_g1=0&_c1=0&_c2=0

        Not sure about the other guy but I get this type of error he/she said whenever I change anything within the filter in the crossover section. Be it characters, rating, even using the filter at its default did that error show up. Using the filter in a series by itself, the mobile site works fine.

         
      • Xing

        08/23/2013 at 10:51 am

        Fixed. Try it now.

         
      • AnonymousUserTheOnly

        08/22/2013 at 10:58 pm

        i have the same problem. i go to change the rating to all and it goes thru………,to an error page. currently using Wii internet channel for browsing ffn. wishing there would be beta testing of new features on all possible systems before implementing. cheers and gl, AnonymousUserTheOnly.

         
  7. Ann

    08/22/2013 at 1:12 pm

    Thank you for the pairing news. The true-pairing system sounds interesting, and it will probably really help out when it comes to finding stories.

     
  8. animefreak03

    08/22/2013 at 1:20 pm

    I would love to see the option of “Set Language” that is allowing us to set our preferred reading language for good so that we don’t have to continue to go through the filters.

    Liking the new changes and finally looking forward to the “Pairing” filter…whoo hoo

     
  9. yemi hikari

    08/22/2013 at 1:30 pm

    I’m wondering what the site admins mean by a “true-pairing” system. If they mean listing actual pairings with character a and character b… I’m leery to see how that will turn out in the Harry Potter and Bleach fandoms, both of which have over a hundred characters. Harry Potter in particular is known for its crack pairings. Perhaps it’s going to be separate from the filter system and would allow people to look for stories in both non-crossovers and crossovers. That would honestly be nice. Still… The HP list would be long, particularly since there are people who would be tempted to write a story for every pairing imaginable.

    Or do they mean a simple pairing filter?

     
    • Erica

      08/22/2013 at 4:43 pm

      I think it would be nice if they used the old filter as a base for this “true-pairing” system, as it seems like an easy way to get the pairings with so many characters involved in certain fandoms. Honestly, listing every pairing possible sounds like a nightmare, and just putting in certain pairings in a list wouldn’t be fair to the pairings that are the crack pairings and of the like.

       
      • StoryMaker the Echidna

        08/22/2013 at 8:10 pm

        I see no reason why they won’t just have an option to “Select character 1 of pairing” and “Select character 2 of pairing”.

         
      • Hotaru Muraki

        08/25/2013 at 12:26 pm

        I second the idea/suggestion of >StoryMaker the Echidna<. (Quote: […] an option to “Select character 1 of pairing” and “Select character 2 of pairing”.)
        It's as simple as it is ingenious! …and isn't that the way the search-funktion on FFNet works, BTW?

         
  10. Baroness Emma

    08/22/2013 at 1:45 pm

    True, having only two character tags did not imply a “pairing”, but that’s how practically everyone USED the character tags.

    True, now that we have four character tags does not mean that pairings were intended as part of the user interface. . .

    But considering that the four tags are pretty much being used right now JUST to show the two main pairings in a given story, I think adding a paring filter/tag is an awesome idea.

    Take your time, do it right, and don’t let your mutants OD on caffeine – it makes them testy. ;)

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/22/2013 at 4:15 pm

      While that was how people used the character tags until recently there was a time when a lot more people used the tags in the manner they were originally intended.

       
    • cathy massey

      08/22/2013 at 11:57 pm

      Beyond the ratings, I never use the filters, so I really don’t have a dog in this fight.

      I’m a non-negotiable no-slash reader, so when the 4 character change was mentioned, it really didn’t matter to me. I’d like to see one of the choices be “entire cast” or “full team”, as I’d really rather read those stories than the ones that only include 1 – 6 characters, but really, it’s not a big deal to me.

      I’m much more interested in finding out what the site’s admin’s were trying to accomplish with the story count changes.

       
  11. A.J. Goode

    08/22/2013 at 1:57 pm

    Thank you so much for all of your hard work, and for paying attention to the comments people have been making.

    Since you’ve addressed the “pairing” issue, I hope that means you’ll be addressing some of the other issues brought up here: RPF stories, “Reading the book” stories, original fiction on FFNet, and the confusion over song lyrics. And it would be great if we could start getting some responses to our abuse reports on BOTH sites.

    I hate to say it, but another “Purge” would be fabulous.

     
    • Turpin

      08/22/2013 at 2:23 pm

      Do you actually search out these stories? You need a hobby! I can understand randomly coming across one and deciding to report it, but there is something wrong with the people who harass others in their free time. Since you are a wannabe writer, you might want to pay close attention to the way you represent yourself online. You want to appear open and approachable to persuade people to buy your future novel. I don’t think you’re one of the abuse reviewers on ffnet, but your comment doesn’t make you seem nice either.

      There are some communities and forums on ffnet that encourage bullying and I think those need to be disbanded.

       
      • tiquatue

        08/22/2013 at 3:08 pm

        In the case of “Read the Story”, it’s a matter of copyright infringement, which can cause the site no end of legal headaches. Just imagine: the admins do nothing about such stories, and those based on a famous series owned by a big media corporation are on the site. The media corporation (let’s use Warner Brothers) sends a cease and desist letter to ff.net. This has the potential to remove ALL Warner Brothers properties from the site. This includes all TV shows, movies, books, and comics (imagine ff.net without Batman!). Add Disney to the list–because the cartoon x-over section is rife with so-called parodies which copy a script pretty much verbatim and just add different character names. Should they file a C&D, all Disney properties–from the Mouse to the Princesses to Star Wars to The Avengers to all of Pixar and Studio Ghibli–might have to be removed. That is a LOT of material.

        People who search out these things and report them are doing the site a huge favor. Also, if someone STOLE my work and posted it as theirs on ff.net, I’d be sending out a DMCA take-down faster than you can say boo. I don’t mess around with thieves.

         
      • A.J. Goode

        08/22/2013 at 3:38 pm

        What makes you think I “search out” these stories or “harass” others? Was there anything, anything at all, in my comment that suggests I do either?

        I replied to a post here in a polite and professional manner, attempting to engage in intelligent conversation and exchange some opinions. You, my little friend, are the one acting in an aggressive manner by telling me I need a hobby and implying that I harass others. You tell me that I don’t seem “nice” and you call me a “wannabe writer” and then use your nasty comment to me as a platform for your protest against the people you don’t like on FFNet.

        Tell me, Turpin, which one of us made this personal? Who turned a calm and rational discussion into an opportunity to insult and criticize another person?

        In the process of dishing out your helpful advice to make me more “open and approachable”, you might want to take a moment to climb down off your soapbox and reassess your way of speaking to others. If you are under the impression that your comment to me was anything other that argumentative and accusatory, you have a problem with communication.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:22 pm

        @ tiguatue ~ Oh boy… I forgot that Disney now owns the rights to Stars Wars as well as forgetting that they own the copyright for Studio Ghibli over here. And those are fandoms that don’t have this problem to the great extent that the main Disney material has.

        That said… unless Warner Brother’s owns DC they won’t be able to issue a cease and desist for Batman as they would otherwise only own the rights to make the cartoons as well as live action material.

         
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 4:32 pm

        To yemi hikari: Actually, to my knowledge, Marvel owned DC, and Disney now owns Marvel (and this was before the Star Wars ownership). Basically, Disney is starting to own everything these days XD

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:40 pm

        (…)

        Sorry for taking acute amusement at your statement, but…

        Marvel and DC have always been two very separate comic book companies that have always competed with each other in the market place. Respectively it does seem that Disney and WB have both attached themselves each to one of the major companies.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:45 pm

        P.S. This just clarifies the fact that the whole issue is a big deal. The last thing you want to do is piss off two companies that own some pretty major stuff.

         
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 7:13 pm

        To yemi: Oops, I was writing about a fact I remembered incorrectly (“As of 2008, Marvel and its major, longtime competitor DC Comics shared over 80% of the American comic-book market.”)

        But I still insist that Disney is attempting to take over the world :)

         
      • tiquatue

        08/23/2013 at 8:00 pm

        Yemi hikari, I just checked Wikipedia and DC Comics is indeed owned by Warner Bros. Both are owned by Time Warner, which holds a dizzying array of properties–all of which could be threatened by a C&D order. (That includes Supernatural and anything produced under the WB/CW network.)

         
  12. gategirl7

    08/22/2013 at 2:17 pm

    The ‘true-pairing’ filter sounds interesting and I hope it finally satisfies those people who continue to leave negative, offensive comments on the blog. I personally have no problem with the new filter system and am actually in love with the ‘without’ option.

    On an unrelated note: we never got the ‘jump to page’ option when you changed the way page numbers loaded years ago. Did that fall by the wayside? It’s a feature that would be very helpful in large fandoms.

    Thanks for all the updates.

     
  13. Lithia Sunset

    08/22/2013 at 2:29 pm

    Actually, dear heart, follow these instructions:

    1.) check page is actually on regular view
    2.) hit mobile
    3.) hit back button immediately after, while loading or when reaches mobile main page
    4.) reload original page

    this should bring up the view of your page in mobile if it is what you so desire. I know it works on IOS devices.

     
  14. Lithia Sunset

    08/22/2013 at 2:37 pm

    Also, some bi and tri langual people switch between languages, so it’s a pointless pursuit, that of a “set language” option, because it would be irksome and if you’re not lazy, you shouldn’t mind choosing. And may I ask what sort of purge? If you don’t like it, don’t look at it, duh. If you mean for M rated material, don’t read it. Some people enjoy it, and it’s for them the same way that femslash, poetry and romance are for others. I personally love fluff. Are you suggesting that if you don’t like it, you have the right to singularly request a purge of it? Please, that’s why this is America.

     
    • fems

      08/22/2013 at 3:04 pm

      This is why several people, including myself, have requested an option to choose a standard language and rating in our account area, to prevent us from constantly having to adjust only those two in the filter.

      It’s simply annoying that the filters are blank when you open a fandom/crossover area and there are stories in languages that don’t interest you and/or not *all* of the available fanfics because the M-rated ones (regardless of which mature topics are discussed in them) aren’t visible.

      And while I do speak several languages, I still prefer to read fanfiction in English as all of the preferred fandoms I visit are American, Canadian, Australian and/or British shows and thus I want the characters to actually speak English, too. Everything else would sound out of character for me as I’m used to subtitles rather than dubbing in my country.

      People who want to switch between languages/ratings can still do so via the filter and/or not select a standard language/rating under their account via the suggested feature.

       
      • cmcwiki

        08/22/2013 at 3:46 pm

        you know you can set bookmarks instead of constantly changing filters right? even if you are using a mobile browser, you can add that page as a bookmark.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:24 pm

        What would be really nice is if they made a special tag for when one is signed into their account that set all languages a person lists as standard, their being a limit of course. This way the multi people can read exactly what they want too.

         
    • bienfait

      08/22/2013 at 5:19 pm

      @Lithia Sunset – I think when they talk about a “purge”, they’re referring to material that is in breach of the site’s rules – eg real person, non-stories, interactive entries, plagiarism, MA and so forth,

      As long as the stories you enjoy don’t violate the terms of use, there’s no reason they should be affected.

      And just as a personal response – “that’s why this is America” – not from where I’m standing, it isn’t. The site is US based, but the population is international.

       
    • A.J. Goode

      08/22/2013 at 5:32 pm

      @Lithia Sunset: You ask “what kind of a purge?” I was referring to the big sweep that took place on FFNet in 2012, when site admins went through and removed several stories that were in violation of site rules. It had nothing to do with anyone’s personal likes or dislikes.

      What does being American have to do with it?

       
      • Simoneau

        08/22/2013 at 6:18 pm

        “What does being American have to do with it?”

        I think Lithia Sunset is trying to make a point about freedom of speech – which, as anyone who’s been following the international news knows, is kind of ironic.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 10:15 pm

        Yes… well… freedom of speech doesn’t mean free to do what ever you want. I’ve said this in an earlier blog. Publishing companies have guidelines to what they will or will not allow to be published for heir companies. I’ve not once seen a writer scream “freedom of speech” over this kind of thing. Instead… they take their work elsewhere. Actually, quite a few writers happen to use more then one publishing company depending on what they’re publishing.

         
  15. fems

    08/22/2013 at 2:57 pm

    While I’m very pleased to learn there’s going to be a pairing feature after the introduction of the new filters and the four character slots, I am somewhat wary of what is meant by “true-pairing system”. Hopefully this is just your way of calling a regular pairing feature which indicates a romantic relationship between two characters but it might not be interpreted as such by some folks due to the name you have given it, as there are some really strange people who read/write fanfiction and they’re rabid about their “one true pairing” and whatnot.

    So, if this name is going to stick I would like to ask you to clarify the function of this feature in the account area. Oh and it would probably be helpful if you did the same for the four character slots, instead of just mentioning it here at the blog as there are undoubtedly numerous authors who don’t read this stuff but do misuse/abuse the feature when uploading their stories.

    Also, if it is a romantic relationship indicator then shouldn’t one be able to apply it to three or four characters now, too? In that case “pairing” is, obviously, not the right definition as that suggests two people.

     
  16. Jennifer White

    08/22/2013 at 3:28 pm

    I have a problem, I made a forum and dragged the link into a reply box for a sonic forum and yet it leads people to a digimon forum, the link is dodgy

     
  17. MegaTJ

    08/22/2013 at 3:29 pm

    This would definitely help the filtering, especially considering I’m a romantic reader and author. My only hope is that soon an OC character filter will be available for more categories like that which is present in the Harry Potter character filter.

    I personally see no problem with the decision and will be waiting patiently for the release.

     
  18. The Imaginatrix

    08/22/2013 at 3:30 pm

    I’m curious as to how this “True Pairing” system will be implemented adequately, as many of the writers on the site are now inactive. Will the admins be going through every inactive account on the site to mark the relevant stories? That sounds like a lot of work.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/22/2013 at 4:28 pm

      There are older stories in some fandoms that don’t have character or world tags because the writer wrote it before said tags were added to the fandom. It’s not really anything new.

       
  19. phoenix7394

    08/22/2013 at 3:33 pm

    Will this pairing system include harem stories? maybe an option to search one character x harem stories. if so will it single out stories with one specific character in a story.
    Also could you make Yaoi its own genre to be either searched or EXCLUDED

     
  20. Asia

    08/22/2013 at 3:38 pm

    What I want to now is what happened to ad blocker and if it is coming back.

     
  21. cmcwiki

    08/22/2013 at 3:55 pm

    To everyone still having problems with the 4 character filters (those who are actively seeking pairings) i have some helpful info for you,

    Put your preferred pairing into the A and B slot, then repeat with C and D. put the unwanted characters in the without filter and it should help narrow your results

    Ex: Character A Naruto Uzumaki, Character B Hinata Hyuuga, Character C: Naruto Uzumaki, Character D Naruto uzumaki. Without A: Sasuke Uchiha Without B Sakura Haruno

    Now i don’t really use “Pairing Filters” or character filters anymore but i thought it might be useful for you

     
    • Erica

      08/22/2013 at 4:21 pm

      That’s actually bloody brilliant. I hadn’t thought of that, but it would work just as well as the ‘None’ option that was suggested as well, considering one is only suggesting two characters but filling in all the slots to still narrow the search to what they want.

       
    • yemi hikari

      08/22/2013 at 4:33 pm

      You get the same results whether you put the pairing in once or you put the pairing in twice. The filter system only recognizes each unique filter once. Which is why using the OC tag twice in the Harry Potter fandom never gave you stories with two OCs.

       
      • Erica

        08/22/2013 at 4:40 pm

        Oh well, darn. It would have been nice if it had worked.

        (Although, now that I think of it, I remember trying to put Harry P. in twice to see if I could only get stories of him, but it hadn’t worked. That was a long time ago though…)

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/22/2013 at 4:42 pm

        I tried the OC/OC thing a long time ago because I saw people tagging their stories that way and wondered if I could find these stories. I’m not even sure if the tag shows up twice anymore.

         
  22. ReaderofBooks

    08/22/2013 at 4:39 pm

    I do like the idea of pairing selections specific to SLASH, and NON-SLASH. There’s nothing worse than reading a story and getting an unpleasant surprise no matter which side you are on.

     
  23. Higuchimon

    08/22/2013 at 5:17 pm

    I look forward to seeing how this “true pairing” system works. I looked at Mediaminer.org the other day and I like how they’ve got their “type” thing set up which specifies …well, types: Alternate universes, continuations, self-insert, shounen-ai, shoujo-ai, yaoi, yuri, and many others, and options to sort without those as well. I’m sure whatever you come up with will be different, but since I saw that, i’ve hoped that FFnet would have something like it one day.

     
  24. seila

    08/22/2013 at 5:30 pm

    Dr. Noahsleep? Heh.

     
  25. Garideth

    08/22/2013 at 5:35 pm

    Okay, so, I am SUPER psyched about this “true pairing” thing. I get annoyed very easily when I search for couples who aren’t canonically together and just get friendship stories instead of fluffy romance stories, so I really can’t wait for this.

    This has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever, but my friend and I were talking about how annoying it is when you’re looking for a certain story from a certain season or book or whatever and you get spoilers for later seasons/books on accident. (Example: When I was watching Buffy over the summer, I searched for Buffy/Angel fics after finishing the third season and ended up accidentally reading one that happened AFTER the entire show had ended. Um, SPOILERS.) I have no idea if it would even be possible to add a feature that would let you narrow down your search by season/sequel, but I just thought it would be a pretty cool idea, and it wouldn’t cause as many accidental spoilers for people who are still in the process of watching/reading something.

    Still, I am SO ready for the “true pairing” feature. Bring it on!

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/23/2013 at 2:23 pm

      This has nothing to do with this topic whatsoever, but my friend and I were talking about how annoying it is when you’re looking for a certain story from a certain season or book or whatever and you get spoilers for later seasons/books on accident.

      Such a feature would require the writers to keep up with their tags. Some stories would need to be adjusted as the writer is current with the material and adds little tid bits in. The easiest way to avoid spoilers is to check the dates for the season you’re current with and go back that far into the archive.

      That also said, is it right to tell the writers who are current with the material that they have to cater to the needs of the readers who are not current? It’s no their fault you’re not current. In the same token a writer whose writing in a fandom they aren’t current in and doesn’t bother to note where they are shouldn’t gripe about getting spoilers in reviews. Even if they do note where they are there are still things that they can be called out on, like things people were able to theorize before it became canon. That means there is some context there.

       
  26. ShotaroxPhillip

    08/22/2013 at 7:36 pm

    I am annoyed of a few things on fanfiction that I never bother to mention because I know it would do no good to complain since I basically stop writing because of this purge that had happened 2yrs ago…

    now though….

    points that I am annoyed with:

    1) the search engine :
    a)I am especially annoyed with because I now have to click on the actual search button once I have put in my search keywords in…

    I liked the way the search button responded before it got a major update when I all I had to was hit the enter button after I put in the keywords.

    b) I am annoyed with the language button in the search engine because every time I click the English button and then when I go and type in a different keyword I have to go and click the English button so it will go back to English.

    for the language button in the search engine it should be like that for any of the languages in that section, not just for English… it would save a bit of time and annoyance.

    2) the new way the # of stories is listed: i.e. 12.4k ….. I liked the way it was listed before.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/23/2013 at 2:16 pm

      I’ve actually noticed these as well for the search engine and they are rather annoying. A lot of people aren’t happy with the change in the numbers either.

       
  27. nonnie

    08/22/2013 at 7:51 pm

    You’re doing such a good job with your site that every time I think “oh now it can’t get any better” you prove me wrong.

    Makes me feel like a kid stepping for the first time in his bedroom after getting new furniture. Like, the bedroom was fine and felt like home before, but there’s a new bed and it looks super comfy.

    I love this site and all your new updates. Don’t even care about the minor inconveniences. It’s gotten to the point where if you’re going to stop support for older mobile browsers and my cellphone encounters problems loading the site, I’ll gladly go for a newer phone because ffnet has more importance. You admins rock.

     
  28. StoryMaker the Echidna

    08/22/2013 at 8:18 pm

    I’m very happy about the fact that you can now allow us to select 4 characters for the very reason that many people hated it. I don’t want to write romance, so I don’t want to imply that the characters that I list as important are a pairing. And now that you’re adding a REAL pairing feature – everyone’s happy! …Well, at least I hope so xD

     
  29. Lynn Hollander

    08/22/2013 at 8:19 pm

    A rating of T – M, for readers who enjoy both, but find ‘K – K+’ not to their liking would be appreciated.
    I’m still looking for ‘set and forget’ filters: selections that would remain in force from one logged-in visit to another logged-in visit and between categories, from Fantasy to Mystery, for example.

     
    • Danae

      08/22/2013 at 10:06 pm

      I’m absolutely all for ‘set and forget’ filters, especially rating and language. It would be great to be able to choose a default setting for them in our account settings, if that isn’t too difficult to do. It wouldn’t stop anyone from changing them with filters, but people could have their defaults.

      The pairing filter sounds good in theory, we’ll just have to see the implementation. It will solve part of the problem at any rate.

       
    • cmcwiki

      08/22/2013 at 11:25 pm

      you know, there is this thing called a bookmark and a bookmark toolbar, just set your filters and add them to the bookmark toolbar like i do

       
      • fems

        08/23/2013 at 4:24 am

        Most of us who have requested default settings in the account area are well aware of the fact that you can make bookmarks of the filters (see previous blog entries). However, I for one don’t feel like creating tons of bookmarks just for every FFnet fandom/preferences I have on top of the tons of bookmarks I already have in general.

        Besides, I also like to check in on other fandoms once a week/month depending on my mood and free time but I don’t read there often. However, I would still appreciate it if my general settings would be the same for whichever fandom I visit. It would be even better if it carried over on crossovers as well, because there aren’t many crossovers I like (the concept of merging two shows has to make sense to me and too many people fail at that) and then whenever I see the number of fics for a certain crossover go up I’m pleased to check it out… only to see it’s in French or whatever. Not that I can’t read French, I just don’t want to because the show is in English and thus the characters should speak English to me, for me (not to mention things like addressing characters often changes and in some shows/episodes they even change the meaning of what characters say when dubbing). Or I have to change the filter to all ratings again because the new one(s) is/are M-rated and they don’t show up…

         
      • cmcwiki

        08/23/2013 at 4:33 am

        Yeah? So do I, I just abbreviate the title and it barely takes up that much room, Naruto becomes N, Bleach becomes B, Rosario+vampire becomes R+V, Dragonball Z is DBZ, Power Rangers is PR, My Little Pony, MLP, Justice League, JL, i simply add a X at the end to denote the xover archive (all xovers not just one or two fandoms)

         
      • fems

        08/23/2013 at 2:06 pm

        Just because you do it doesn’t mean everyone should do it as well. I already have 20 bookmarks on my bookmark toolbar (two of which are for FFnet), another 15 that can’t be displayed and another ten folders which contain organized (sub)folders and more bookmarks. So, really, I don’t see the need to clutter my bookmarks further by adding more FFnet bookmarks for different settings when it is much easier for FFnet to create an option for default settings for language and rating for everyone’s account. Furthermore, such a feature would probably entice more readers to actually sign up and create their own account which could lead to more signed (vs anonymous) reviews.

         
  30. ATSJ

    08/22/2013 at 8:38 pm

    I appreciate all the hard work you guys have done and I’m satisfied with the character system so far.vHowever, there are a couple of little things that have been bugging me and I’m hoping you guys can fix them.

    When you’re browsing through the story archives, all four characters are listed and they’re separated by a little dot symbol.
    But when you’re looking at the stories on an author’s profile, only two characters are listed and they’re presented like this: Character A & Character B.

    And THEN when you look at the stories on your list of favorites, there are once again only two characters and they’re presented like this: Character A/Character B.

    This is wildly inconsistent and since I’m a huge fan of consistency, I would love to see everything look the same across the whole site. It would be great If all four characters were listed everywhere, separated from each other in the same exact way. Personally I’m fond of the little dot symbol, so it would be nice to see the & symbol and / symbol replaced with the dot.

    Another little thing that bugs me is that sometimes (not every time, but sometimes) my listed characters are randomly reordered alphabetically. For example, I created a story with characters A, B, and C. A few days ago I noticed that C is now listed first, so that it’s C, A, B. I’ve tried changing it back to the original order, but it won’t let me.

    This bothers me because you can only see two characters on my profile and on the story itself, so it looks like the story is mainly about C and A. This is misleading because B is actually one of the main characters in the story and C has a fairly small role.

    Is anyone else bothered by all these things or am I just incredibly OCD?

     
    • Xing

      08/23/2013 at 10:37 am

      You are not OCTD. You are absolutely right. It will be synced/fixed.

       
  31. mikkianne

    08/22/2013 at 9:44 pm

    Can you please fix the filter? Every time I change a filter and press apply changes, it doesn’t go back to up to the top.

     
    • mikkianne

      08/22/2013 at 9:45 pm

      It’s on my iPhone, by the way.

       
  32. cathy massey

    08/22/2013 at 11:39 pm

    The option to sort fics by fandom on an author’s bio page is one I’ve wished for many times.

    There are many authors with 50 – 220+ stories overall who wrote a few in some of my fandoms years age. Trying, in a limited time, to read down their page and spot the fandoms in each summary is tricky and hard on my eyes.

    If a very productive author has 10 or 12 stories scattered among their earliest 50, I’ll have a very hard time spotting them.

    Having them listed in chronological order, as they are now, is great for most purposes, but being able to break them down at the click of a button would save a lot of frustration. Something like switching the category listing from popularity to alpha with 1 click is what I’m getting at.

    After all, the foundational stories for an AU or beginning of a series would come lower in the list, and it’s certainly desirable to read those.

     
    • bienfait

      08/22/2013 at 11:55 pm

      @cathy massey – while your idea sounds like a good one, in the meantime why not just use your browser’s “find on this page” function? That’s what I do on other users’ favorites list, and it works just fine.

       
    • buttonbutt

      08/23/2013 at 12:13 am

      You can only do this in moble for some reason.

       
    • seila

      08/23/2013 at 12:40 am

      …What? Resorting fics in an author’s profile has been in place for years. I use it all the time. It’s right there, the first line below the “my stories” and favorites tabs:

      “Sort: Category . Published . Updated . Title . Words . Chapters . Reviews . Status . “

       
      • bienfait

        08/23/2013 at 12:57 am

        By golly, Seila’s right – the “Category” option sorts all the stories alphabetically by fandom.

        Never noticed that before. Thanks :D

         
      • seila

        08/23/2013 at 1:38 am

        No problem. :)

         
      • cathy

        08/23/2013 at 12:19 pm

        I’ll be darned…

        I’s so unobtrusive, I’d never noticed that before.

        MANY THANKS!!!

        I’ve found no orientation or instruction to this site, and the layout is so clean and intuitive that when a person of my meager skills comes here and finds some results, it’s easy to assume that’s everything.

        I tried it on a much-admired writer who has 155 stories in 16 fandoms, and it worked just fine.

        Have to watch one thing, though. Crossovers do not double list – they only list in the first fandom mentioned. Therefore crossover A + N will list at the bottom of stories in fandom A, but not again down the page under stories for fanfom N .

        Still, I’m satisfied.

        Again, Thank you, Seila!

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 2:12 pm

        Yeah… that’s one of the things that bothered me. If you know when the fandom you’re looking for was added compared to the other fandoms you’ll know whether to take a quick glance through other fandoms as the site lists the first fandom that was added to the site last time I checked.

         
    • Erica

      08/23/2013 at 3:15 am

      This please. I like how on the mobile site on my phone, there’s actually a filter on the author’s page and you find the fandom they’ve written for that you’d like to read, over the others one isn’t interested in. That was a great feature from you guys on the part of the mobile site.

       
    • fems

      08/23/2013 at 4:26 am

      I agree, this would be extremely helpful. It’s one of the things I appreciate on AO3: I can just click on one of the fandoms the author has written for and only see those, not all the other fandoms.

       
    • Danae

      08/23/2013 at 5:24 am

      As @seila mentioned, sorting by category does sort the fics by fandom. Perhaps ask to change the word ‘category’ to ‘fandom’ as it is a bit misleading. Although there might be a very good reason for that word…..

      Or do you mean that if you pick a fandom (such as Glee) no stories from other fandoms will show up?

       
    • prefer not to say

      09/08/2013 at 6:32 am

      One way to do that already on the site is to click the Sort: “category” option under the “My stories” tab on their profile. This option has been available at least since 2011. That gives you access to the alphanumerical list of fandoms that the stories are about (for example, NCIS would be under N around the center of the list, even if the story were written in 2008). Then, quick-scroll to that part of their list using whatever method(s) of doing so are possible/preferable to you with the hardware you use(mouse wheel, arrow key or click the scroll down “tab” to the side of the list).

       
  33. buttonbutt

    08/22/2013 at 11:44 pm

    This actually sounds like a wonderful idea. Wouldn’t hurt to add OC as a character for every fandom. It will make filtering OCx stories much easier or just romance in general since some authors will label their fanfics with 2 genres and wont mention romance until you’re 3 chapters in.

     
    • Jordanna

      08/23/2013 at 12:04 am

      Actually, including “Original Character” among the choices one could filter *out* would be one of the best things FFN could do. Second only to filtering by gen/romance type.

       
    • Hawki

      08/23/2013 at 12:55 am

      Could be a nice idea in principle, but I’m wary of it in some cases. Take games categories for example, where OCs have been represented in some form already, representing player characters. Not strictly OCs, not strictly full canon characters either. Adding an “OC” category in such cases would just lead to overlap IMO.

      BTW, while I’m here, does the site have an answer as to why raw numbers for fic categories have been replaced by the K format? If it helps the site in some form I’ll accept it, but it certainly isn’t helping readers.

       
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 3:27 am

        You mean like Pokemon where you play the character better known as “Red”? Those don’t count. I know you “play” the character in these games, but each one has their distinct personality. They’re not blank slates. Or are you referring to the games where the character is a blank slate and you pick the race type and such? I know of some, but not that many compared to the other type I mentioned.

         
    • seila

      08/23/2013 at 1:37 am

      I would love, love, love an OC character tag just about everywhere.

      Hawki. . . Well, you’re right. An OC character no place in Ragnarok Online, since all of the characters are players and OCs. That’s the only one I can think of at the moment though; the other games that might have similar situations don’t have character lists at all. It would be good to collect a list of exceptions.

      There’s no trouble with the tag simply being called OC in the vast majority of categories though. I would hope that readers and writers in the game sections can figure out that players technically fall under the same category. And I’ve never even seen a player tag in any fandom before, so. . . I think the overlap wouldn’t be a problem.

       
      • Hawki

        08/23/2013 at 2:24 am

        Majority, yes. There’s also no point in having an OC tag in ‘Minecraft’ for instance. But I’m left to think about, say, ‘Warcraft’, where the approach has been to list canon characters and race-based entries (human, orc, etc.) to represent playable races (and non-playable as well), in which case, an OC tag is unneeded. Or in ‘Warhammer’, where character entries are in the plural (Space Marines, High Elves, etc.), to represent armies/races in the same manner you might use an OC tag. It’s in these kinds of cases that I’d be wary of having an OC tag because of potential overlap with something the category is already doing.

        Playing the cynic, I’m also left to wonder who would search for an OC category in the first place. If anything, I’d only see an OC tag putting off people in a story summary. But meh, no biggie.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 3:30 am

        For the cases where there are no “characters” filters the site admins would not be adding a tag. However, if a fandom ever gets character tags it would be an automatic addition in most cases.

         
  34. De Entertainer

    08/22/2013 at 11:59 pm

    Thank you. This is all very helpful! But why does the ‘post review’ button not work on FFN Mobile? Nor does the ‘more’ Nitton at the top-right? Everything else works except for these two buttons.

     
    • De Entertainer

      08/23/2013 at 12:00 am

      Button, not Nitton. I am sorry. I am using my phone at the moment.

       
  35. Jordanna

    08/23/2013 at 12:00 am

    I’m really delighted to hear that a pairing filter is being worked on. I hope it will work out wonderfully, and put an end to all the complaining.

    May I still say that, like others, I hope very, *very* much for a general option that would let me filter stories by gen/het/slash/(whatever). I would be *so* much less reluctant to browse the categories for some of my favorite series if I could opt to search for only gen fic.

    Also, I like the suggestion some people have made about putting language and rating selectors (the former at the very least) in the account preferences section. One’s choices on these subjects are more likely to be constant across all fandoms, unlike the category-specific filter options such as character/world/etc., so it seems to me that it *would* be better to put them with a user’s general preferences.

     
  36. RenCy*-*

    08/23/2013 at 12:55 am

    I Like This

     
  37. Enras

    08/23/2013 at 1:54 am

    can we also get a filter for the yaoi ect ect. that way the people that want nothing to do with that stuff can have better help in avoiding it all together

     
    • Ghost

      08/23/2013 at 1:38 pm

      I hope they will add that filter I see slash in almost every summery i look at these days

       
      • Cmcwiki

        08/23/2013 at 1:52 pm

        Yeah, I’m hoping that its also a without filter too,
        With or without:
        Slash
        Femslash
        Straight
        No pairings
        Slash harem
        Femslash harem
        Straight harem

        This will allow for even more summary room since they won’t have to use story tags for pairings and such

        @xing could you make high school fics a genre? The fandoms I follow are chock full of them and I don’t care for them and would like to filter them out.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 2:09 pm

        You forgot bisexual.

         
      • Cmcwiki

        08/23/2013 at 2:15 pm

        Also bisexual and bisexual harem

         
      • Ghost

        08/23/2013 at 2:46 pm

        Overall this would be the most useful filter because THIS ENTIRE SUMMER IVE SEEN llNOTHING BUT SLASH IN ALMOST EVERY SECTION OF FANON. Sorry about that just needed to rage anyway this will probably be the most useful to me

         
  38. Sidney

    08/23/2013 at 5:53 am

    I’m glad that there will be a pairing feature soon. However, would it be possible to add “Alternate Universe” to the World category? It would be nice. That way, we readers can classify if we want to read book/movie verse or a completely out of that world story.

    Oh yeah, the previous suggestions about gen/slash/het/etc. is great.

     
  39. Teri

    08/23/2013 at 10:44 am

    I have one issue with the new character list option. You state that the order doesn’t matter, but it does matter since only two characters will appear in the story summary even if you can choose four, and apparently, there is something going on, at least in the NCIS characters. I write stories that are not featuring the most popular characters (Gibbs and Tony) but they are often main characters behind Tim McGee. On my most recent story, I put them all on as main characters, but Gibbs and Tony keep coming up first, meaning that they are the characters which will be seen when the story appears on the site…which is misleading to people who want Gibbs and Tony stories AND those who want Tim-centered stories (which this is). I thought it might be an alphabetical thing, but Tim M. should show up before Tony D. …unless it’s by last name, but that doesn’t make sense either because then, Tony D. should be before Leroy Jethro Gibbs. So if someone just looks at the characters, they’d come to an incorrect conclusion. In order to be accurate about who the focus of the story is, I had to drop two main characters from my list which defeats the purpose of having four options rather than two.

     
    • Ghost

      08/23/2013 at 1:37 pm

      So over all the Two character format would be better for pairings

       
  40. Silver

    08/23/2013 at 12:15 pm

    Extremely helpful post. Happy that FF.net is paying attention to what people ask for. No further comments… right now ;)

     
  41. Ghost

    08/23/2013 at 1:34 pm

    Well this is good but ff.net should add a MA filter sorry but the amount of extremely mature fics I find on accident is ridiculous and if ff.net is honesty doing pretty much nothing sooner or later another god forsaken “Purge” will happen and few graphic ones i find are actually good I would hate to have such good work deleted again

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/23/2013 at 2:08 pm

      I don’t pity writers who lose their work after knowingly posting stuff they know doesn’t belong on the site content wise. Particularly since they’re exposing people under eighteen to works that are supposed to be eighteen and up. While I do pity the writers whose work is borderline I’ve also heard when it comes to the borderline stuff the site admins have taken the time to explain what needs to be changed in the past.

       
      • Ghost

        08/23/2013 at 2:40 pm

        Have you ever read any of Kenchi618 work its really good and borderline try reading one sometime

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 3:44 pm

        A piece of advice. Even if the writer’s stuff was strictly M or borderline and not MA, don’t post their stories or their names here. It can bring unwanted attention that some writers do not want.

         
      • Ghost

        08/23/2013 at 4:37 pm

        He already once was sent a email saying to edit some parts of his stories so he already has unwanted attention

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 5:34 pm

        Proves though that the site admins are willing to work with those who are actually borderline though like I said. I don’t read any of the fandoms that person writes for. Well… there is one I read, but it’s crossed over with another fandom.

         
      • cmcwiki

        08/23/2013 at 5:38 pm

        Which one? Pokemon, Kenichi, Street Fighter, Bleach, metal gear, or One Piece? Cause i’ve read his stuff and he’s awesome

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/23/2013 at 6:01 pm

        I actually not only read for the Bleach and Pokemon fandoms I also write for them. However… both are also crossed over with Naruto a series that I’ve struggled to get past a certain point due to a certain issue with the work that doesn’t involve characters or plot but the fact early on in the series there tended to be a lot of recapping done each chapter and each episode that drove me up the wall.

         
      • Ghost

        08/23/2013 at 6:38 pm

        Agreed cmcwiki

         
  42. Daydreamishly

    08/23/2013 at 10:26 pm

    The mods on this site are getting progressively sassier with the years.

    Why even waste your time on this functionality when is there still no feature that launches a tomato at capslock reviewers through their monitors?

     
  43. Lagomorph

    08/23/2013 at 11:01 pm

    Can we switch back to actual numbers instead of the abbreviated version for fics in a series? The abbreviation works on mobile versions – I don’t see the point for the web version.

     
  44. Jordanna

    08/24/2013 at 12:14 am

    It would probably be more official/helpful to bring this up in an email to FFN, but just to see how it appeals to other users… I’d like to say this. A feature I could *really* use is the ability to reorganize chapters within a story.

    See, I’m writing (off and on) a series of character-backstory one-shots that are somewhat interconnected, and do belong in a certain sequence–but they also stand very well on their own. The thing is, I… haven’t exactly been writing them in sequential order. And I don’t want to post them as individual fics. I really wish I could post them within a chaptered story as I complete them, with the ability to place later-written ones ahead of earlier-written ones in the chapter ordering. As it is, I can’t post a completed one because it belongs in the middle of the set, and I haven’t yet written the ones that take place before it.

    (This brings up the one feature AO3 has that I actually like: the ability to organize stories in series. Anything that would allow users to group separate-but-connected stories on FFN would, I’m sure, be extremely welcome to a lot of people.)

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/24/2013 at 1:01 am

      You can already do that. Change the order that chapters are in I mean.

       
      • Jordanna

        08/25/2013 at 12:34 am

        Really? *scampers to story management and looks* Awesomeness! …Even if I have no idea when they snuck this feature in, because I honestly don’t remember seeing the little “move to” drop-down boxes before.

        Now I may be able to consider posting those character-backstory fics as I write them. Huzzah.

         
      • yemi hikari

        08/28/2013 at 1:17 pm

        Lol…

        The feature has been around since I’ve been on the site which has been a long time.

         
      • Erica

        08/28/2013 at 2:09 pm

        I just noticed the chapter export stuff, where you can export published chapters to the doc manager. Makes things a lot easier than re-uploading a chapter.

         
  45. Dan Trigona

    08/24/2013 at 3:46 am

    Please add (in pairings): Original Character and character being shipped. Maybe allow folks to type in their OC name?? Thanks!

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/24/2013 at 1:10 pm

      Original Character tag, yes.

      The exact character being shipped… depends on how they do it. For example, if it is a list by individual pairings then it would be problematic as Harry Potter has over six-hundred characters and a ton of pairings. So adding a filter by individual pairings would be problematic. There are other options though.

      As for typing in ones OC name… no. The writer is typically the only one using said OC in the first place.

       
  46. Shauna

    08/24/2013 at 6:59 am

    I agree with this. If there’s an OC in the story, it’d be nice to add that as an option in both the character (and soon-to-be pairing) filters. And perhaps also in the leaves-out filters for those who are NOT fans of OCs.

     
  47. Person

    08/24/2013 at 4:51 pm

    I think there should be a separate filter for high school stories. In one fandom I see 1 au or story where the characters are normal and 50 that are them in High school. It got so annoying that I dropped the fandom completely. Some were good but at least fandoms like Percy Jackson have the characters with their powers most the time. Even though there are some high school ones.

     
    • yemi hikari

      08/24/2013 at 9:40 pm

      The Educational genre would serve the purpose as it would cover uni stories as well as the younger levels.

       
      • Cmcwiki

        08/24/2013 at 10:45 pm

        I disagree. Educational would imply a learning experience not the educational system

         
      • Person

        08/25/2013 at 12:28 pm

        I am talking about a split in fanfiction one filter for characters who are like they are in the book and another for more fun ones like the daily life of Harry potter or something. The current filter separates genre’s but a dark story could have the characters without anything too.

         
  48. ReaderReader

    08/24/2013 at 8:15 pm

    I don’t see why people were complaining about it. If you want to find a pairing, just put in two character’s names instead of four and put the genre “romance” and you’ll more than likely find at least one. But I suppose this feature will be useful for the people who specifically are on this site for pairings…

     
  49. Lady Hiroko

    08/25/2013 at 2:15 am

    I think the pairing system would be nice. I always assumed the old 2 character input were pairings. Mostly because 99.9% of them were depending on fandom. Plus when I read a particular fandom, I already have a pairing in mind that I search for. I’d like the MA rating to be placed back because your sister site adultfanficton.net doesn’t do snot in terms “protection” from minors. My real intials for the “signature” is HMC but I can use and 3 combination of letters or even a single letter to “verify” that I’m over 18. I know because I done it when I was 16. Bring it back but make a rule or something stating to be tasteful and/or meaningful to the plot (meaning now PWPs). Because some fandoms have high sexual content in the actual source (such as the anime Samurai Girls.). I’m just tired and annoyed that parents whine about their kids reading the stuff and blame the site instead of actually parenting. Just saying and before anybody feels the need to lecture me, I know it ain’t going to happen nor am I asking for it. I’m just putting it out there as my opinion. And to be honest, I find those to be more interesting aside from writers “fantasies” that should remain in their heads and pants. Though it does seem we need to educate people on how to write. Seriously some of the stuff I came across is eye gouging in poor grammar, spelling, plot and character development and I’m not talking about those who are writing in a new language.

     
    • Lady Hiroko

      08/25/2013 at 2:20 am

      Whoa! Sorry for the lengthly paragraph and a few mis-word-usage. I’m typing via cell and my auto “correct” is stupid. Extremely sensitive keys don’t help either.

       
  50. DZ

    08/25/2013 at 9:01 am

    I’m having mobile issues. It says my server isn’t allowed. Why? I always go on ff.net on my iPhone.

     

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