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Datacenter Move: Day 4 Part 2

16 Sep

Ongoing update on our data-center relocation.

Today’s impact:

  • Expect very short service disruptions in some areas throughout the day. Each disruption should last less than a minute.
 
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175 responses to “Datacenter Move: Day 4 Part 2

  1. HayShi

    09/16/2013 at 8:56 pm

    Firefox 3.6.17 for Mac OS X.
    I only seem to have an issue with my pm messaging, and like others, the message content seems to go off past the border, leaving me to have to continuously scroll side to side in order to fully read the message. I also have to scroll to the far right just to send my response.

     
  2. Kelly

    09/16/2013 at 9:02 pm

    Can finally get into my account, but when i click on my publish link, and then choose a story, the stats are all messed up, being all the way to the right of the page.

     
  3. animeluverqueen

    09/16/2013 at 10:23 pm

    The DocX outbox is all out of proportion. The content boxes are running off of the page. Using Mozilla 23.0.1.

     
  4. Bubbly Girl

    09/16/2013 at 11:06 pm

    Windows 8, Internet Explorer
    I can’t favorite or follow anything. Just wondering if that will be working again soon. :) Thanks! :)

     
  5. 1eragon33

    09/16/2013 at 11:09 pm

    My PM replys are rethor broken as in there of the screen

     
  6. Maloran

    09/16/2013 at 11:33 pm

    My only problem is faving stories right now. Would have said something an hour ago, but didn’t think of coming here.

     
  7. bienfait

    09/17/2013 at 1:09 am

    PM and Legacy Stats pages appear to have been fixed :)

     
  8. Fauryn

    09/17/2013 at 1:30 am

    My problem also seems to be fixed :)

     
  9. Erica

    09/17/2013 at 2:03 am

    Yeah, things seem fixed on my end too. Thank you!

     
    • cmcwiki

      09/17/2013 at 2:11 am

      yeah thanks xing! you rock dude!

       
  10. Minoa

    09/17/2013 at 2:18 am

    why is nothing in control panel seem to be working?!! cant publish my story!!

     
    • bienfait

      09/17/2013 at 3:34 am

      @Minoa – there seem to be plenty of stories being published, so I guess your problem isn’t a general one.

      Your query is worded a little oddly. What do you mean by “control panel”? As far as I know, there’s no such area. To publish a new story, go to “Publish”, and select “New Story”. To update an existing one, go to “Manage Stories” and select the story you want to update.

       
    • fjaskdjflsjfasldf

      09/17/2013 at 6:49 pm

      Minoa, are you talking about the account settings page?

       
  11. Minoa

    09/17/2013 at 3:57 am

    sorry if i worded it wrong i used to do forums so i called those Publish, private messaging etc. control panel..but thats beside the point what im telling is nothing happened when i click those..

     
    • cmcwiki

      09/17/2013 at 3:59 am

      well xing said there’d be outages,, this is probably one of them. just leave your general location, operating system, and browser and try again in the morning.evening

       
    • bienfait

      09/17/2013 at 4:17 am

      OK I get you now :) Those areas are working perfectly for me in IE10 on Windows 7. I suggest you follow cmcwiki’s advice, and post what browser and OS you’re using so the techies can look into it.

      I hope they can get it sorted for you quickly.

       
    • fjaskdjflsjfasldf

      09/17/2013 at 7:10 pm

      Disregard my previous message. It looks like we have the same problem. My account is stuck on the account settings page. I click on the items on the left side of the screen and nothing happens. I can’t even log out of my account. I use Windows 7 with IE 10, by the way. I also use Chrome. My account works fine with Chrome, though. Do you have another browser? If so, try that.

       
  12. Mooch

    09/17/2013 at 7:28 am

    Using Windows 7, IE10, and I am unable to follow or favorite any stories. I keep getting a message that there is a network error.

     
  13. lundyred

    09/17/2013 at 7:33 am

    Using windows 7 will not let me leave reviews or favorite stories?

     
  14. Kevin

    09/17/2013 at 11:26 am

    I have been having the same issue as Mooch. I have been unable to follow or favorite any stories since yesterday afternoon. I keep receiving a message stating that there is a network error and to try again later. I hope this is cleared up soon.

     
  15. fyd818

    09/17/2013 at 12:12 pm

    Legacy Stats page is back to normal. Thank you so much!! :)

     
  16. Ruri

    09/17/2013 at 2:20 pm

    Everything seem to be working perfectly for me now.

    Thank you for fixing it so fast!

     
  17. PK-chan12

    09/17/2013 at 3:38 pm

    Yesterday and again today, I have tried uploading a new chapter to my only story. Once the upload started on doc manager, the page would refresh and show me the message:
    This webpage is not available (and below it would list probable causes:)
    The connection to http://www.fanfiction.net was interrupted.
    Reload this webpage.
    Press the reload button to resubmit the data needed to load the page.
    Check your Internet connection.
    Check any cables and reboot any routers, modems, or other network devices you may be using.
    Allow Chrome to access the network in your firewall or antivirus settings.
    If it is already listed as a program allowed to access the network, try removing it from the list and adding it again.
    If you use a proxy server…
    Check your proxy settings or contact your network administrator to make sure the proxy server is working. If you don’t believe you should be using a proxy server: Go to the Chrome menu > Settings > Show advanced settings… > Change proxy settings… > LAN Settings and deselect “Use a proxy server for your LAN”.
    Error code: ERR_CONNECTION_RESET

    (I am using Google Chrome – Thank you for your help and advice!)

     
  18. Roxanne

    09/17/2013 at 3:50 pm

    Unable to follow or favorite any story since yesterday…keep getting network error. Windows 7 Google Crome

     
  19. Lynn Hollander

    09/17/2013 at 6:35 pm

    Inbox/reply form: Back to normal. Not too wide or shifted.

     
  20. Felipe Santanna

    09/17/2013 at 6:48 pm

    Can’t add stories to alert/favourites list. Didn’t notice any other problems.

     
  21. Catkyn

    09/17/2013 at 6:54 pm

    The only problem I’ve noticed, so far, is a complete inability to Follow or Favorite stories. I get a message saying “We are unable to process your request due to a network error. Please try again later.” I’ve been getting this message since yesterday, and I’m hoping it’ll get fixed relatively soon.

    Using Firefox, on a XPsp3 computer.

     
  22. Carol Lott Waller

    09/17/2013 at 8:18 pm

    Am I the only one who has noticed that stories can no longer be followed or favorited? Is this part of the upgrade?

     
  23. Robert

    09/17/2013 at 8:45 pm

    This is unrelated to the issues at hand but I find it laughable that Fanfiction.Net tells us to “Unleash Your Imagination” yet sees fit to remove “Reading the Books” stories. It certainly requires imagination in having characters from Harry Potter or Percy Jackson read and react to their stories. There should not be any controversy so long as disclaimers are put up and no money is made off of them. In fact, I have it on good authority that the Blair Partnership (the company J.K. Rowling works for) is fine with those stories so long as those two conditions are met. Don’t believe me? Ask them yourself (especially if you’re member of Critics United).

    I look forward to the day when Fanfiction.Net amends it’s copyright policy to allow stories where characters from any book series can read their own books like it used to.

    I would also like to report a loser who goes by Warty Hogg. He has been hassling another user who goes by OneOfTheGuys411102. The latter wrote a story called Andrea Jackson and the Lightening Thief. It’s not a Reading the Books fic, the author simply to a girl (Andrea) and added her own twists. Hogg has claimed the story has been reported for “copyright” and said hurtful comments. Hogg also doesn’t have any stories, just a profie saying he’s an editor (is a profile with no stories even allowed?).

     
    • Robert

      09/17/2013 at 8:49 pm

      Sorry, meant to say that Percy was changed to Andrea. My computer been acting weird.

       
    • Simoneau

      09/17/2013 at 10:24 pm

      “Reading the Books” type stories breach the copyright of the original authors, and could get ffnet sued. Besides, it’s bad writing, and lazy as well; the only good component of most such stories is the part which has been stolen from the original author.

      As for “having it on good authority” that the Blair Partnership is fine with it – this fallacy was comprehensively debunked on an earlier discussion thread. Like many others who “want” to believe, you’ve been suckered. (I bet you believe in the Mexican Pet, too.)

      Even if it was true, however, that “permission” does not extend to the works of other authors.

      And finally, even if you don’t agree with the rules, you still agree to abide by them before posting. If an author then deliberately breaks them, what kind of dishonourable liar does that make them? And why complain when another member, quite politely, brings the rule-breaker’s attention to the fact that their transgression has been noted?

      You want to make your own rules? Start your own website. How hard can it be?

       
      • Robert

        09/17/2013 at 11:17 pm

        “Reading the Books” series have been around for years (long before they started to be removed approximately two years ago). In all those years, FF.NET wasn’t sued. If that was a real danger then it would have happened years ago.

         
      • Robert

        09/17/2013 at 11:21 pm

        I forgot to tell you that I have no idea what the Mexican Pet is supposed to be. If the Blair Partnership is NOT fine with these stories then by all means show your proof (I already contacted the person who said it was and has a copy of the letter from the Blair Partnership to prove it. I asked her to send it to you).

         
      • Simoneau

        09/17/2013 at 11:54 pm

        “I asked her to send it to you”

        Without telling her my address or email (neither of which you have)?

        I can’t wait to see how it gets delivered.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/18/2013 at 12:53 am

        @ Robert – I’ve had previous contact with said person and they originally said was that they got permission via a tour guide from an unofficial tour not related to Rowling or the Blaire Project. Said person’s word is not to be trusted.

         
    • bienfait

      09/17/2013 at 10:53 pm

      Since when did “Unleash Your Imagination” mean “Copy the work of another writer and add a few lines of your own”?

      For pity’s sake, Robert, unleash your *own* imagination, not those of J K Rowling and Rick Riordan.

       
      • Robert

        09/17/2013 at 11:15 pm

        It’s not copying if disclaimers are put up giving J.K. Rowling, Rick Riordan, or the author of whatever series you’re writing about proper credit! It is unleashing your own imagination if you’re imagining how the Harry Potter or Percy Jackson characters would react if they could read about their adventures.

         
      • bienfait

        09/17/2013 at 11:34 pm

        Yes, Robert, it *is* copying. If you take a large portion of text from an existing work and reproduce it word for word, you have copied it. You may add other bits to it, which are original and not copied; but that portion which you have quoted verbatim from another source, is copied.

        Or as some people would call it, plagiarised.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/18/2013 at 12:56 am

        Not only does disclaiming it not change the fact you’re copying another persons work a disclaimer doesn’t stop something from being plagiarism if you use large portions of the other persons work and/or it makes up a good portion of your own work.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/18/2013 at 1:56 am

      Yeah… guess what. I just went on Amazon and compared Sea of Lightning to Adrea Jackson and the Sea Monsters. Funny how said story is almost word for word from the original writer. The site admins are never going to amend its copyright policy to allow the members of this site violate the rights of other writers. Watch… I just need to post a link to each of her stories

      http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9032381/1/Andrea-Jackson-and-the-Lightning-Thief

      and…

      http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9396145/1/Andrea-Jackson-and-the-Sea-of-Monsters

      and if the site admins remove them we will all know that they are against site rules.

      P.S. The creator of Percy Jackson is fine with fanfiction, but is adamant that taking another words either word for word or making a few changes is not writing.

       
      • Erica

        09/19/2013 at 4:05 pm

        I was just curious where you heard Rick Riordan was okay with fanfiction, because last I heard he disliked it and wouldn’t read it or something. Just curious and if you have the source or anything, I’d like to read it.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/19/2013 at 6:36 pm

        You can dislike fanfiction and not want to read it and still be “fine” with it. Tolerant may though be the better word. Any writer can contact the site admins and request that no fanfiction be written for their fandom and I’m quite sure that he’s well aware of the fact he can have himself added to the list if he wanted to be added.

        RTB is a great way for a writer to say enough is enough and may be the only justification a writer needs to say “no more fanfiction people”. It’s the one argument I can see a writer making about why they don’t allow fanfiction… “that too many people copied and msted my work”… that I don’t see the fans loosing respect of the writer. Why? Because in the long run copying large chunks like that is wrong and its a case of the many get punished for the acts of the few. I’ll try to find what I found on RTB though, not sure if I can find it again. I found it on pure fluke the last time when I was trying to find anything on writers speaking their mind about RTB.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/19/2013 at 6:43 pm

        Yeah… apparently I was really lucky to find that and find myself hitting myself over the head as its another thing I don’t remember the exact key words I used.

        That said, if he’s tolerate of fanfiction but doesn’t like it the RTB writes are as I said just giving him a reason not to be fine with it anymore.

         
      • Erica

        09/19/2013 at 7:54 pm

        Er, I never said anything about RTB? I was just asking if there was an article or something. I only know of his dislike from the PJO wikia and you’ve been saying you have it on “good authority” (this was on another post of yours) that he was fine with fanfiction, but put his foot down on taking “someone else’s words and using as their own” and that “it wasn’t real ‘writing.'” I just thought it would an interesting good read (I like articles, especially about my favorite authors).

        That said, if you ever remember, it would great if you sent it my way. Thanks.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/19/2013 at 8:21 pm

        I didn’t mean for it to sound like I had it on good authority. PJ’s actually not my fandom. I found it back when I first dealt with the writer who claims that she had permission from Rowling and I was looking for anything where a writer talked about RTB. As I said, it was a fluke I even found it in the first place as it was a rather obscure search in the first place. It was the only thing I found about a writer discussing said topic, which in itself surprised me because I expected to find zilch.

        But yeah, if I do find it again I will try to remember to send it your way.

         
      • Erica

        09/19/2013 at 10:24 pm

        Ah, I see. Well, that is rather interesting find anyway, and maybe I’ll take a crack at it and see if it’ll pop up. If you’d like, I’ll link it for you if I do find it? Though if you do manage to remember first, I would appreciate the link :)

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/20/2013 at 11:58 am

        Yup!

         
      • Spyridon

        09/20/2013 at 6:40 pm

        @Yemi: Was this the place?

        Rick Riordan’s Site

        You have to scroll down to the second to last question.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/21/2013 at 1:36 am

        That’s actually not what I remember finding in relation to the RTB, but I have come across that quote before.

         
      • seila

        09/23/2013 at 9:01 pm

        Huh… Even if it’s not exactly what you were looking for, that’s still an interesting find about a writer’s opinion towards fanfic. It sounds like Riordan just barely tolerates fanfiction from that description. With that in mind, I’d consider it a strange stroke of luck he didn’t say no to all fanfic after finding out about RTBs.

         
      • Erica

        09/24/2013 at 12:50 am

        Actually, it doesn’t exactly sound like he barely tolerates fanfic, but that he finds it extremely weird -as in uncomfortable. Like the clothes/closet comparison he used. Anyone would feel odd seeing someone else in their clothes ala seeing someone else writing your characters. And he avoids it to not get accused of someone saying their fanfic idea was taken and used in his books, and to not get his ideal of his characters in his head shaken up (hence why he can’t hear the audio versions of his books, and doesn’t watch the movies). It’s very logical and understandable, especially as a professional writer’s point of view of his work.

        Also, an earlier question in the FAQ is similar (phrased differently) where he’s asked “I love the series so much I’d like to continue writing the books myself. Can I have permission to use your characters and ideas?” Here, he says he’s honored, but his publisher would get upset if he gave permission since all his works are copyrighted. He also goes on to say that if someone was writing for their own amusement and (won’t publish it or anything), it’s no big deal. But if you hope to publish something, it’s best to come up with your story, characters, etc. In either answers for the separate questions, he does obviously mention legality, which we as fanfic writers should be very aware of, and is what he seems very worried about the most.

        @Yemi: Nope, still have not found it. Still looking though.

         
  24. Robert

    09/17/2013 at 9:16 pm

    I also feel inclined to ask DarkSiren49 to stop. He or she has gotten quite annoying with postings that Reading the Books fics are somehow against the rules despite the fact that no money is made off of them and proper credit (via disclaimers) are given to Rowling, Riordan, and other writers for their work. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP! Reading the Books stories started to get taken down only as of around two years ago yet they were allowed for years. Why the sudden change? I ask DarkSiren49 to contact the Blair Foundation regarding Harry Potter Characters Reading the Books stories.

    Why should profiles that ONLY exist to report other stories even be allowed? Shouldn’t they have to write their own stories?

     
    • A.J. Goode

      09/17/2013 at 10:34 pm

      Robert, this is not the appropriate pace to air your grievances against fellow site members. If you are having a problem, I suggest reporting them through the standard channels instead of attempting to publicly shame them here.

      The site does not allow MST/Commentary-style stories, or stories that contain previously published material. “Reading the Book” stories break both rules. Period.

      Talking about copyright and fictional letters from Rowling’s agent is just muddying the waters. Every writer who joins this site is asked to agree to a very simple set of rules before posting anything. If you break those rules, YOU are in the wrong, not the person reporting you. If you read the rules and don’t want to follow them, DON’T agree to do so. Publish elsewhere. Pretty simple.

      The only thing that HAS GOT TO STOP, Robert, is the constant whining and complaining by people who think “unleash your imagination” means “we have no idea why we established rules and asked you to follow them! Do whatever you want!”

       
      • Robert

        09/17/2013 at 11:12 pm

        Fictional letters? Have you even asked the Blair Partnership for their opinion like I requested?

         
      • A.J. Goode

        09/17/2013 at 11:20 pm

        Honey, have YOU? Or are you just believing in those silly copy & paste letters in which Ms Rowling’s agent gets her first name wrong?

        If you have the actual letter, I’d love to see a screenshot. I’ll even feature it right here, on my WordPress blog.

        Keep in mind, that letter would have to say something along the lines of “JK Rowling grants permission to reproduce large portions of her work as part of your own, in which her work comprises a larger portion of the story than your own work.”. Oh, and it should probably add a line or two to the effect of “Ms. Rowling also wants you to know that her permission matters more than FFNet’s own site rules, so please disregard those rules as much as you like, all on JK Rowling’s say-so.”

        Can’t wait to see it.

         
    • Robert

      09/17/2013 at 11:55 pm

      I repeat, not if the author of whatever series you’re writing about is GIVEN PROPER CREDIT! This is like being accussed of plagiarism on a report even though you cited where you got the source from!

       
      • bienfait

        09/17/2013 at 11:59 pm

        “I repeat, not if the author of whatever series you’re writing about is GIVEN PROPER CREDIT!”

        Yes, dear. It’s still copying.

        Quoting is copying. Citing is copying. They’re not necessarily bad things. But they are reproducing identical wordings, therefore yes, they are copying.

        I don’t understand why that particular word is giving you such conniptions.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/20/2013 at 7:16 pm

        Robert, I think the majority of the people on this blog are in agreement that the author is infringing upon the copyright of the author. Fanfiction is not covered under here according to the US Copyright laws. At present, the authors usually look the other way as long as we as a group don’t go over the line. Copying large amounts of texts with definite proof is putting this site at risk. Considering she’s (or he) the one caught in the wrong, they must be the ones to provide the evidence of their claims that they were given permission.

        What so hard about providing a screen shot if it’s an email or a photo is it’s a letter on a site like photobucket? Heck, they could even forward the email to the person accusing them. I for one, would have saved the email as proof considering how much a grey area RTB genre is compared to the rest of the fanfiction world.

        § 107 . Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use40

        Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—

        (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

        (2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

        (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

        (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

        The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

        Link to US Copyright

        And I agree that the site’s motto of ‘Unleash Your Imagination’ is not an excuse. In high school, you’re taught that if you want to use a large amount of text in your work, instead of copying word for word, they could just open the book and work on summarizing the large text. Writing it in their words would remove the claim that they copyrighted the text straight out.

        One of my stories for the Harry Potter fandom featured Snape’s memory from Book 5. Instead of pulling what they did, I wrote each paragraph in my words, even going as far as googling to see what other synonyms I can use.

        You keep saying that as long as the author gives proper credit, it’s fine. Just giving credit doesn’t excuse you just like having a criminal saying sorry doesn’t cover their crime. It’s still against the laws of the US and most importantly, against the rules of the site which you agreed to use under their purview.

        Personally, during the chat with the AO3 team, I asked them about song fics which FFN doesn’t allow. They told me using one or two stanzas for a 5k one-shot is fine. Using the full lyrics would be against their policy as you’re basically reproducing the whole work. They suggested editing out most of the stanzas to make sure there wasn’t any legal issues. That suggestion became a little greyer when I asked the same question if the work was about 60k words at minimum. They said they still didn’t want to run the risk of being sued for copyright.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/18/2013 at 1:01 am

      Even if Rowling did give permission the site rules still clearly state that it is against the site rules as they clearly state no copying from work not in the public domain. I know for a fact the writer for Percy Jackson has put his foot down that he doesn’t want any RTB as it is not writing.

       
      • Spyridon

        09/22/2013 at 10:48 pm

        I just find it amusing that Robert is calling Simoneau an annoying, pompous person and AJ a CU trolls. Ah well. We’ll see it how it goes on that front.

         
  25. Permelia Snodgrass

    09/17/2013 at 9:55 pm

    Is it possible to sort beta readers by how active they are on the site? I’m looking through the list, and a good 90% haven’t updated their stories or profile in years.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/20/2013 at 12:03 pm

      Actually, it’s already sorted that way. You have to go to the end of the list though to find them. While this may be a bit irritating that you have to go to the end of the list, keep in mind that if it weren’t this way those who constantly updated would be swamped with beta requests as well.

       
      • Permelia Snodgrass

        09/20/2013 at 7:36 pm

        From what I understand is it’s sorted by join date. There are authors who have updated more recently but are on the first page….

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/21/2013 at 1:24 am

        If that were true then someone who joined in 2001 would not be featured before someone who joined in 2000. Your best bet is still to go to the last page.

         
  26. Des

    09/17/2013 at 10:18 pm

    I don’t know if this goes here, and I don’t know if I’m the only one but I’ve been having problems with story follow selections. It says that it cant do it right now try later and it’s been like that all today and half of yesterday

     
  27. Bubbly Girl

    09/17/2013 at 11:07 pm

    I don’t want to whine or anything but the favorite/follow option has been gone for over a day and I was just wondering if there is anyway to fix that. :) Thanks! :)

     
  28. Robert

    09/17/2013 at 11:34 pm

    Dear Amy,

    Many thanks for getting in touch with us again.

    Whilst it is fine for you to write a Harry Potter inspired story or fan fiction for your own personal enjoyment, as J.K. Rowling’s agents we are obliged to remind you would not be allowed to publish this commercially (this means selling it for money!)

    Best wishes,

    The Blair Partnership

    The Blair Partnership

    This is a reply my friend Amy got from the Blair Partnership. A reviewer signed on as a “Guest” and asked her if she told the Blair Partnership she was copying the text from the books. She said yes and made it clear to them that she was asking if Reading the Books stories were fine. Their reply is above. I understand if you think this may be fake which is why I urge you to contact the Blair Partnership and check for yourself. Ask them if copying from the text from the book is alright so long as no money is made and disclaimers are put up giving Rowling credit for her work. I hope their reply puts to rest any fears of FF.Net being sued by them for “copyright”.

     
    • bienfait

      09/17/2013 at 11:45 pm

      Hmm…reading the faqs on the Blair Partnership’s website, I’m getting a whole different idea of what they do and don’t allow…

       
      • Robert

        09/18/2013 at 12:25 am

        Be sure to ask them if it’s genuine if you have any doubts.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/18/2013 at 1:30 am

        Here a quote from their site… “…this means protecting an author’s rights to make sure that they and their work aren’t exploited…“. Last time I checked posting the writers work online for others for free, or a copy with changes is an exploitation of their work.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/18/2013 at 1:02 am

      Said letter talks about fanfiction and not selling it commercially but makes no mention of copying large amounts of text from the original writer and providing the books for free online.

       
  29. Robert

    09/17/2013 at 11:42 pm

    I am a moderator at the community Stop Plagiarism and a report has come in regarding your stories. I wanted to let you know of the report.

    I can see the style in which they are written, where you have direct lines from the original stories being ‘read out’ by other people.

    I would advise that the best idea is to state credit to the original author very clearly (i.e J K Rowling), maybe in an Author’s note. The style of your stories is a common trend but it is very important to state the credit where it is due.

    This is another report my friend Amy received. She already gave credit to Rowling even before this message.

     
    • Simoneau

      09/17/2013 at 11:49 pm

      Oh, yes, the “Stop Plagiarism” story – that was investigated to its source in the older thread, too. Before you start trying it on, you really ought to read the rest of the blog. You just lost all credibility.

       
      • Robert

        09/17/2013 at 11:58 pm

        I was under the impression that you and your associates didn’t believe I had any credibility to begin with to be honest.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/18/2013 at 1:07 am

      Yes. Your friend was contacted by Stop Plagiarism and given that very message. Stop Plagiarism happens to work on a “give credit where credit is due” rule of thumb. That went apparently for copyrighted works as well, but they have since been told by the site admins of this site that giving credit isn’t enough when it comes to copyrighted work, particularly when the book is *gasp* being provided for free for people so they don’t have to buy it from the writer. I don’t know if the report went in before or after they got this message or if they had a bad mod look over the whole thing. So that note from them? It means nothing.

       
  30. Robert

    09/17/2013 at 11:46 pm

    A.J. Goode, your sarcasm seems to miss the point. J.K. Rowling gave permission to write a story where her characters read about their adventures and to write what you think their reactions would be. I was under the impression that FF.NET had those rules against copying to avoid being sued, but her response should make it clear she won’t sue so long as no money is made off of them.

     
    • Simoneau

      09/17/2013 at 11:50 pm

      Like I said before, Bobby – don’t like the rules, start your own site.

       
      • Robert

        09/18/2013 at 12:02 am

        There already are a few sites I’m sure that are more tolerant about these books (FYI, FF.NET has yet to be sued despite their still being Reading the Books stories on them so I think that proves the fear of it has no basis). If FF.NET doesn’t accept these stories then they may get a huge drop in popularity and usage in a few short years.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/18/2013 at 1:09 am

        @ Robert – Believe it or not most other sites have rules against RTB. Why? Because this level of copying does not respect the original writers rights, does not fall under fair use under that amount of copying and is not creative no matter how much the RTB writers otherwise claim.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/18/2013 at 1:10 am

      No, Rowling did not. The letter clearly states she is fine with fanfiction not copying her book word for word, or copying it and making small changes.

       
    • A.J. Goode

      09/18/2013 at 11:54 am

      No, Robert, you continue to miss the point. Several points, actually.

      1. What BP does or does not allow has NOTHING to do with what FFNet does or does not allow. Two separate organizations. Two different businesses. What is so hard about that to grasp?

      2. You have still not shown the letter itself. Just a COPY that you typed in (or c&p). I could just as easily type in a letter from George Lucas granting me full ownership of Star Wars, but that wouldn’t make it authentic. Only a fool would simply take this type of “proof” as Gospel truth.

      3. Even if, by some tiny and remote possibility, your letter proves to be the real deal, the fact remains that it gives permission to write fanfic about the characters. Nowhere does it give permission to reproduce massive chunks of the original books. Nowhere.

       
  31. Simoneau

    09/18/2013 at 12:13 am

    You say that like it’s a bad thing…

     
    • cmcwiki

      09/18/2013 at 12:14 am

      how do you hit like on this thing? *THUMBS UP*

       
    • Robert

      09/18/2013 at 12:17 am

      Well, it would be for FF.Net. Reading the Books stories on the other hand…

       
      • Simoneau

        09/18/2013 at 12:21 am

        Nah, it’d be a bonus for ffnet – the overall quality of original material on the site would go up by heaps…

         
    • Robert

      09/18/2013 at 12:22 am

      The reply from the Blair Partnership was posted on this page (at 11:34 PM). No one is stopping you from asking BP yourself to see if it’s genuine.

       
  32. PK-chan12

    09/18/2013 at 12:21 am

    Problem solved! I was just able to upload and submit a new chapter without a hitch :)

     
  33. yemi hikari

    09/18/2013 at 2:01 am

    I think its time the site admins clarify that works that copy from works not under copyright whether it be word for word or minor changes isn’t allowed, as well as do a clean sweep of said works and let them know that these works do not respect the original writers, not to mention infringes on said writers rights. It would be very much appreciated.

     
  34. Bubbly Girl

    09/18/2013 at 2:12 am

    I would really appreciate if people would stop using this comment area as a way to complain or debate over the rules. I have a genuine problem with not being able to favorite or follow any story and if you people really feel this strongly about the issue then you should email them directly and not involve every other person who is just trying to fix their problem with the site and move on. Thank you! :)

     
    • cmcwiki

      09/18/2013 at 2:17 am

      Robert started it.

       
    • yemi hikari

      09/18/2013 at 2:35 am

      Don’t worry. The site admins do contrary to what some people say read the comments on the blog and work on fixing problems that people post asking to be fixed. This person hasn’t bothered to post their e-mail or their account name, so we can only reply to them here. Even if we did have e-mail or account names the conversation is now a public one.

       
    • Erica

      09/18/2013 at 11:27 am

      Actually, I really agree with this. I’ve been mostly skimming these comments, because they have absolutely nothing to do with the thread, and I mostly like coming here to see what the problems are with the site to keep up to date with what’s wrong. Though I do get that the other person has no other contact, so this is the only way to reply -it’s just gone on long enough, I think. There’s no need to repeatedly reply to the other, if it doesn’t sound like they’re listening or willing to listen.

      As to any problems, I’ve so far had no issues with the site now. Someone mentioned something about having problems publishing, not so for me as I did yesterday (new chapter and new story). Neither about the favoriting or following. That’s been fine for me also. It might just be some people, but I will keep an eye to see if anything irregular pops up just in case.

      I do want to know about the status of either/both of the hybrid system the admins promised, and the “true pairing” system (really curious how that will turn out). Of any promised updates to the site, those two are the ones I think are really important, or at least what I’m really looking forward to. It would be nice to hear how it’s going :D

       
  35. Bubbly Girl

    09/18/2013 at 2:15 am

    Yay!! It is fixed! Thank you! :)

     
  36. Hont91

    09/18/2013 at 8:28 am

    just for the record, I am still not able to follow or favorite any stories(my tabs are getting bigger and bigger by keeping all these stories open o.o)
    I’m using firefox.

     

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