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Periods and Emails

29 Sep

We have resolved a problem where some PMs and story summaries had period punctuation marks incorrectly stripped.

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430 responses to “Periods and Emails

  1. LC

    09/29/2013 at 10:44 am

    Thanks for all the hard work!

     
  2. anthony

    09/29/2013 at 10:45 am

    Some pm’s sent also have words missing has that been fixed?

     
    • marmota-b

      09/29/2013 at 6:34 pm

      I believe forums posts are affected, too.

       
  3. BDG420

    09/29/2013 at 10:46 am

    When are you getting to the more important stuff? While you do all this people are getting away with stealing fellow authors works and constantly breaking every rule on FF.

     
    • Quincy

      09/29/2013 at 12:03 pm

      Or preventing people from leaving insults and scathing remarks as reviews on stories with exclamations of telling you to kill yourself. I have several cowards who would do so and then block PMs or not have stories. Because are taking advantage of how things are to harass people.

      Not to mention all the real people fics, the rape fics, and other stuff I report and have been reporting for years without so much as a response.

       
      • The Warty Hogg

        09/29/2013 at 6:41 pm

        I have been called various colorful names referring to my gender and told to have forced intercourse and die because I reported a blatant case of copyright infringement. I have been reporting that regularly for three months. Nada. I’ll keep it up, though. I am SUCH an optimist.

         
      • Lillian

        09/30/2013 at 12:37 am

        I’ve gotten spammers that are to cowardly of me responding back, revenge flamers/reports, and the same regular threats and curse words thrown my way. No big deal, just children who can’t accept the truth.

        But I agree, the admins need to get up a new report system and soon. Too many copyright infringement, MAs, MSTs, interactive, real people, and etc.. running a muck on the site. It’s gotten so bad that many of us are going to the publishers. Give us a surprise purge once a week, or go with Rogue’s idea have two or more people monitor the new and everyone else handle the backlog (switching out when needed.).

        As for the forum idea. I agree with Yemi on it. It would just be another thing for the admins to monitor, and potentially bring more flamers to a reported story then needed.

         
    • Spyridon

      09/29/2013 at 6:16 pm

      You know, I’ve been thinking. Maybe the FFN site should have an official Forum on the site where you can post complaints and stuff so they can show the progress. I mean, it could be used as a deterrent to have a public location where people can post reports and such to show that FFN is active in banning people/stories. Of course, it could get a little messy with all the fandoms and types of abuse report.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/29/2013 at 9:22 pm

        From what I understand the site admins used to monitor both forums as well as stories closely, but then there weren’t anywhere near as many users as we have now. Having an official forum would mean something else for them to monitor plus you have people who revenge report. If the site admins aren’t quick there are some people who will assume that because a story is in any such thread that said story is indeed breaking the rules and it could lead to potential flames for said person. Mind you that I don’t bring this up because I hate your idea, I just don’t think its the best solution.

        In the long run the best solution is going to be another clean sweep with an announcement from the site admins saying such and such is not allowed.

         
      • BDG420

        09/30/2013 at 11:02 am

        Ever hear of a secret account, one that could be used just for reporting stories? I think The forum idea is a good one and like I said you could make a second account just for reporting while keeping your primary account just for uploading your stories.

         
  4. Fortune maiden

    09/29/2013 at 10:50 am

    Everything’s working now. Phew~

     
  5. bloodsong

    09/29/2013 at 12:08 pm

    Best FFNet FUBAR Ever!!!

    seriously, i’m enjoying the hilarity of having to end every sentence with a “!” or to write in telegram style STOP but do fix it STOP before the hilarity turns into anguish please STOP

    LOL!

     
  6. bloodsong

    09/29/2013 at 12:12 pm

    ah, it IS fixed in that i can now safely use periods in my sentences in a PM. however, the prior PMs that have had words excised have not been restored. are they forever fubar? my friend was really wondering what the dip i was talking about….

     
  7. holmes4ever

    09/29/2013 at 1:39 pm

    I didn’t notice that problem, but glad it’s fixed now. How about actually doing some work on removing stories that I reported years ago and banning those authors? And while you’re at it, ban the non English writers. I am sick and tired of wading through their untranslated garbage to read the stories that ARE in English.

     
    • KageNoNeko

      09/29/2013 at 1:49 pm

      Why don’t you use the filters to only show English instead of complaining?

       
    • Ruri

      09/29/2013 at 2:20 pm

      This site has been hosting non-English fiction for YEARS. If it bothers you so much you can use the filters or search for an English only archive.

       
    • konarciq

      09/29/2013 at 4:34 pm

      How do you know it’s garbage if you can’t even read it? There is a good chance there may be gems among them – as there are lots in non-English literature as well.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/29/2013 at 9:47 pm

        Bingo. I’ve actually read some of the stories written by foreign writers. Sometimes I miss something because I use translation programs as it is faster then translating it myself. In some cases its the only way that I can find certain stories of the same topic I’ve been writing for and I was surprised to find that I’d actually influenced some writers who choose to take the time to read my stuff despite English not being their first language.

         
    • Deity of Insanity

      09/29/2013 at 5:35 pm

      Don’t be an insensitive douche. FFn is for all people of all types, that includes languages. Just use the filtering system. That’s why it was made.

       
    • Simoneau

      09/29/2013 at 5:37 pm

      @holmes4ever – why should the admins ban writers in other languages? Don’t you know it’s a world-wide site? Why should the vast number of members whose first language is not English be sent packing, simply because you’re too lazy to apply one very simple filter?

      Your insularity and selfishness do you no credit.

       
    • Belen09

      09/29/2013 at 5:58 pm

      Dear holmes4ever;

      I’m going to be ‘kind’ and assume that you meant that in jest – it’s always better to be ‘inclusive’ rather than ‘exclusive’ – native speakers of any language always write better in the language that they are comfortable with. Don’t denigrate people for being themselves . . .

       
    • Spyridon

      09/29/2013 at 6:14 pm

      I’m guessing that’s why FFN has the language filter, you know, to actually pick stories that are in a specific language such as English. It’s been there for a while now. *cough* actually been there for a LONG while *cough* Might want to use it.

       
    • The Warty Hogg

      09/29/2013 at 6:44 pm

      How narrow-minded. Why not just filter out stories that are not in a language in which you are fluent rather than ban all other languages? Good grief. Maybe you should study a second language. It is a wonderful way both to improve your own skills in your own native language and expand your knowledge of the world in general. I recommend German and Spanish, because English draws so much from those language backgrounds.

       
    • yemi hikari

      09/29/2013 at 9:44 pm

      Wow. Not only are they not doing anything wrong, but having read some of the Indonesian fics in my fandom you’re also missing out on some good stories. Have to use a translation program mind you, but it doesn’t change the fact they’re good stories.

      This is very wishful thinking as I honestly know there is no way to feasibly pull this off, but I wish there was a way for there to be translated versions of stories that are either done by the writer or by someone really good at translating things. Problem is you a.) run into the same problem with fics that have co-writers in the fact arguments could break out and b.) some writers would go overboard and try translating things into every given language they can.

      As it is, people post their translated versions of other peoples fics as separate entries. I honestly don’t know if this breaks the “only one copy of a story rule” as it is a translation of the piece and not an actual copy. I haven’t had anyone ask if they can translate any of my stories, but if they did I would say no because I’ve seen others who report even translated versions of stories.

      Some people’s strengths honestly don’t lie in writing, but in translating stuff. I guess the site admins could have a translation section where a writer could give permission to other writers to translate their works as well as places people can upload their translated versions of the stories. However, this would also have to be limited somehow. To be able to translate maybe you would have to be on the site for a year or two, much longer then the Beta readers. You also have to have written so many stories in said language to be able to translate or have translated one of your own stories into said language. There could only be one story per language and the amount of languages it could be translated into. On top of this the choices for a writer could be limited via what kind of hits they get. If the story doesn’t get many hits from Hispanic countries then Spanish won’t be a given option.

      Again though… wishful thinking on my part here as I see so many, many ways it could be abused. So I never see it ever happening.

       
      • Erica

        09/29/2013 at 10:11 pm

        @ Yemi: I think a translating section would be a brilliant idea. There are some fics I’d like to read, but are in another language, so I use Google/Bing Translate or Altavista (which site/program do you use and how good is it?) to read them, but as you know it doesn’t always come out great.

        I’ve also had people ask me several times to translate some of my fics into different languages, and hadn’t thought that would be against the rules. I suppose if they ever came up with a translating section, it would be easier to bunch those fics together. Er, actually, I wouldn’t be able to even fathom how that would be organized. Still boggled about how the true-pairing thing will turn out.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/29/2013 at 10:22 pm

        It would be cool to have a translation section but you would need a way to mark the original piece so the credit is given to the proper author as well as coming up with a way to link all of the translations to the OP. Since they haven’t added a series linkage for regular series, I can’t see that happening. Plus you also have to make sure that the translator doesn’t tweak the original story either in the second language as the OA can’t know if it’s a true translation.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/29/2013 at 11:16 pm

        @ Erica – Well, if they had a translation section separate the translations could be attached right to the fic. Thus credit could be given and if someone happens into a story and would love to read the translated version instead they can read it.

        @ Spyridon – Unfortunately that’s another one of the problems. It’s one of the reasons why such a system could be a problem. While I don’t agree that regular fics should have any rating system translations should have a thumbs up or thumbs down as to whether it is a good translation or not. Since they would be linked to the original fic the reviews for the translation would actually go on the regular stories page rather then the translation, or the reviews would show up. If they made a section for works translated stats wouldn’t be included as it isn’t their work, but the thumbs up and thumbs down would. On top of this translations wouldn’t go under the regular story section but a special “translations” section. This way the reviewers know that it is a translation and not the original work they’re reading so they can formulate their questions to ask if it was really in the original version, or they can note they read the translation. Actually, reviews can be marked saying they read the translation as well, but they may or may not be able to review chapters again based on the translated version. I think not because it could be abused… only one review per chapter per signed account.

        That also said, credit would be like this. Author: [name] Translator: [name] Translator would only show up on the translated page.

        It would though in the long run be a lot of coding and it is apt to be abused. That’s one of the reasons why there should be major stipulations for being a translator one of which being on the site one to two years. The number of translations they can take on can be limited, which would be an incentive to stick to completed works as they can take on more projects as translations are completed.

         
      • Lillian

        09/30/2013 at 12:41 am

        There is another problem with translations. The rule against there being more than one of the same story on the site. If you are given a translation, good or not, it could still be reported because it is a violation of this rule. So unless they change that rule, or modify it for the sake of translation, you won’t be getting that feature.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/30/2013 at 3:49 am

        @ Lillian – The rule says … Multiple entries of the same material. There can only be one copy of any unique story on the entire site. No exceptions.

        There is actual debate about whether the rule includes translations or not. It says copy and not version. Translations aren’t considered to be copies of another persons work, but a translated version. Translations have double copyrights, the original copyright as well as the copy right protecting that particular persons work in translating the work. However, it also says unique story there as well, so translations may actually be covered.

        That said, if translations were to become a part of the entry instead of individual entries I don’t think the rule needs to be changed and it will also make it so a lot of the concerns dealing with translations would be settled including the issue of giving permission as you couldn’t write a translation unless you got permission for the writer. Unfortunately, this also means that older stories where the writer up and disappeared couldn’t get translations so the option could be that writers can turn off the translations as they are submitted or delete them.

        In the long run the whole thing has issues.

         
      • Erica

        09/30/2013 at 4:11 am

        Still a unique and interesting idea. Perhaps something to look into for the future.

         
      • konarciq

        09/30/2013 at 6:06 am

        I would *love* a translation section. But yes, it would need a clear set of rules and possibly complicated coding… Might a nice project for the long term!

         
      • Spyridon

        09/30/2013 at 6:18 am

        @Yemi: What about adding a language filter at the top of each story. If there are no translated versions of the story available, the box is grey-ed out and unclickable. If there are translated versions, the filter will do a drop down of the languages available to choose from when clicked on.

        The urls could work out as the following: ( note – equals / )
        – s – story ID – chapter # – story title – t – language

        where t equals the URL link for translation version and language obviously tells you what language you’re in.

        The original story will still appear as the story URL default:
        – s – story ID – chapter # – story title

        To add the translations, the original author could go to a special section that would be under PUBLISH -> Manage Stories -> Story -> Content/Chapters. Here, there would be a subsection to add a translation of each chapter. The only difference from adding a translated chapter would be the requirement to add an author ID (pen names can be changed, ID # can’t). They should also add restrictions where you can only add one addition to each language.

        So when someone chooses a different language, it will take you to the new story URL where the top story info box will have the link to the original author but also the translator profile. To help different stories that have translated works from those that don’t, FFN can add another small symbol that would be different from scroll with a small red C. Maybe a small symbol with two different colored scrolls with a T superimposed could work.

        This would basically create a ghost library of translated works. The only problem I see with requiring that only completed works be allowed for translation is that authors can artificially label them complete when they aren’t.

        What do you think? Would that cut down on the amount of coding needed to implement?

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/30/2013 at 7:58 am

        Pretty much that, but it would stay as you go from chapter to chapter unless of course later chapters aren’t translated and then it would switch to the original fic. Stories would still be listed via the language it would be written in, but there would also be a separate section for those looking specifically for fics translated into their language which would then pop them into the settings where said language is already picked.

         
      • tiquatue

        09/30/2013 at 2:53 pm

        As long as the translators have permission from the original author, I’m for it. However, those who translate without permission should be treated the same as plagiarists because they are copying someone else’s work–just into a different language.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/30/2013 at 5:08 pm

        Bingo. Which is why I said that there would have to be some way for the writer to actually give permission to a translator.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/30/2013 at 5:35 pm

        @yemi hikari: Whew, I thought my idea wouldn’t come cleanly across. Yeah, once you choose a translated version, it would stay like that until either you come across an untranslated chapter or you manually put it back.

        @tiquatue: Under the system I described in my previous post, the translator would have to have the help from the original author as it will be posted from their profile. If it’s posted as a separate story under the proposed idea, it would most likely prove that the translator is doing so without the knowledge of the OA.

        Thinking about it now, I wonder if they might tweak the system used for beta readers and change it so it can apply to a relationship between OA and translator. That way, there’s a secure system to send the translated work from translator to OA and where the OA can automatically post it as a translated chapters under PUBLISH.

        The only problem is those stories where the authors have left the site and can no longer be contacted.

         
      • Erica

        10/01/2013 at 12:17 am

        @ Spyridon: Loved your suggestion. It actually made me able to picture how such a section could exist easily. I hope the admins actually take a look at your idea.

        @ Yemi: As for permission, those who asked me if they could translate my stories generally PM me if they could first. I’m not sure of any other way permission could be asked for.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/01/2013 at 2:29 am

        I was actually thinking that there could be a translators section. Peoples request can be approved or disproved and once they’re approved said person will have a “translated” section open up for said story on their account that both the writer and translator can see that limits them to the number of chapters already there but no more.

         
      • seila

        10/01/2013 at 12:31 pm

        This translation section is a fabulous idea.

        My aesthetic sense would prefer translations to be marked with the little country flags instead, but a drop down is more logical.

         
      • Spyridon

        10/01/2013 at 6:13 pm

        @Erica: Thanks. It just suddenly popped in there and I had to get it down before I forgot it completely.

        @yemi: I can see a version of that happening Most likely, it could be the same way with beta readers in having a code being swapped to confirm the translation request.

        @seila: I was thinking about marking it with flags but that could get messy, considering how many languages there are. There would be only a symbol with two small, differently colored scroll superimposed with a green T to signal there are translation available for that particular story. You would have to click on the story itself to see what languages are available as listing them all in the summary box would add more space to the search pages.

        As for translators, they could carry the country flags on their profile section. :D

         
  8. C.M.

    09/29/2013 at 7:58 pm

    Thank you for fixing this. I also see the fictionsratings page used to explain the various ratings is back up.

     
  9. Heilian

    09/29/2013 at 7:58 pm

    I have difficulties in accessing Fanfiction.net using Opera Mini. The page and images didn’t load properly, mobile version and regular site both.

    Opera Mini version: 7.5.33361
    Operating system: Android 4.2.2
    Device: Samsung Galaxy Mega GT-I9152
    Country: Indonesia
    Carrier: Telkomsel

     
  10. Quincy

    09/30/2013 at 1:11 am

    How are the admins who are supposed to monitor this stuff chosen?

     
  11. Lynn Hollander

    09/30/2013 at 2:27 am

    >Xing: The numerical search functions — by number of reviews, of followers and of cites as ‘favorite’ — enable the most irrational criteria possible for story selection by new readers. I have never used any of these search functions and I cannot imagine ever using them. I would like to suggest an option for those writers who wish to avoid the whole numerical classification scheme: allow members to elect that all their various numbers, except for Word Count, be privately held. Some numerical data is private already: our beloved bar charts are accessible only to the member, and no one questions that. The publication of some facts, like country of residence, is optional. Naturally the stories of anyone electing complete numerical privacy, except for Word Count, could never be factored into any search by review or by followers or by favorites.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/30/2013 at 4:21 am

      The reason you want it disabled is because you know its one of the arguments we’ve used against you replying to almost every review. Emphasis here that your replies aren’t few and rare. There are people who unlike you do use these features. While I rarely sort by reviews, follows and favorites but I do look at favorites and follows when I read the stories.

      I don’t see these things as something that should be private, particularly since we can publicly see reviews as well as see favorites on people’s pages. Maybe we don’t see follows publicly, but they help complete the picture. There is a lot you can figure out about a story from the numbers and if you see that a story has a ton of favorites or even follows, but very, very few reviews it can actually be an incentive for some people to review because they will fill like they’re review will actually matter.

      Hits aren’t shown because they’re the easiest thing to manipulate otherwise they would be shown and sorted by and country of origin is optional because that is actually considered to be private information.

       
      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/20/2013 at 1:42 am

        I agree with Yemi. I have no issue with number of reviews/favs/follows being shown. I never did, even when there was some complaining about it when the stats first went public. I never use the filters to sort by those criteria and never would because that’s no indication of story quality. This is why I’m not too bothered about the numbers. People who like my work or are interested enough to give it a try would probably be more interested in reviews. I don’t believe every reader is stupid enough to think favorites and review counts say anything about their own preferences. Story summary and reader comments are how I judge potential reads. I admit that the number of favs/follows does influence my expectation about a particular fic, but just because the number is high doesn’t mean I’m going to share the opinion. If anything, I have the opposite reaction. It’s like, “Eh, that fic is already popular enough. Probably means I won’t like it.” I think I latch on to obscure ideas and unpopular ships, so what the majority follow/favorite is an indication that the fic probably won’t be in line with my very strong opinions.

         
    • Spyridon

      09/30/2013 at 6:02 am

      @Lynn: I have never used any of these search functions and I cannot imagine ever using them.

      Just because you do not use them does not mean that others do. Considering there was a significant increase of reviews/follows/favorites following the new filters, especially by reviews, it’s quite obvious that there are quite a few people who actually do use it. The debate whether such filters actually correlate to the quality of the stories written is another matter entirely. The fact is that quite a few people requested/use it, I doubt FFN will get rid of it now.

      Personally, just like Yemi, while I go through the pages, I usually give a quick glance to the favs/alerts and compare it to the usual average for a specific fandom. For me, I don’t bother with stories that have like 10 chapters out (10k words roughly) but only one or two favs/alerts. Usually, it means poor quality in my experience so I skip it and move on to the next story.

      @Yemi: I don’t want to be too cynical of Lynn’s suggestions but those are points I definitely can’t ignore now after reading it again. It makes her suggestions a little more clearer now instead of reading them by itself.

       
      • seila

        09/30/2013 at 8:53 pm

        For me, I don’t bother with stories that have like 10 chapters out (10k words roughly) but only one or two favs/alerts. Usually, it means poor quality in my experience so I skip it and move on to the next story.

        This. . . concerns me, actually. Partially because I’m guilty of this as well. Nonetheless, there are very nice stories out there that simply don’t get many favorites or follows because the idea just isn’t the popular trend. And really old stories won’t even have follows. Even the best of us get dragged into this popularity contest, because these numbers do and are influencing our opinions.

        Granted, I’ve seen plenty of stories with terrible construction and little to no follows and favs too, and that isn’t unusual. But the ten seconds it takes to click on it and see the first paragraph for myself is a more honest judge. If the quality is genuinely that bad, it’s immediately apparent.

        I don’t think Lynn’s idea is the solution though; not seeing the stats on some stories when others have clearly visible stats might make it worse. I respect the sentiment though.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/30/2013 at 10:40 pm

        @seila: It’s just one of those things that you see and you get an immediate feeling associated with it. I want to bang my head after I skipped an HP story that actually turned out to be good despite the summary. It was completed like 2-3 weeks later after ignoring it for months. Doesn’t it always turn out that way. :D

        Plus as it states on the list of Conclusions in Fanfiction, there are exceptions to every single one.

        That’s why I said such states can’t be put down as law for quality but there are some people who use it. I miss my teenage years when I could read for hours but sometimes, i can’t even spend 10 seconds on a few stories.

        @Lynn: I don’t know about your exact feelings but I am grateful that someone would actually leave a reply on my stories, even if it is in IM speak (there are times where I do hate modern technology). They are giving those seconds to actually click on buttons and write something for me to read. I actually know of an author that said to her readers that if they aren’t willing to leave an analytical review, then don’t even bother reviewing. Let’s just say, her call out back-fired on her.

        As for your suggestion, is it really necessary to provide such a feature, especially considering that a few filters are dependent on the numbers you want to keep private? Plus, it could have negative consequences for you in that your stories will no longer appear in those searches. Of course, one could code where the numbers remain hidden but are still included in the searched but that would make the privacy thing a moot point as one could estimate the numbers based on the stories around it.

        I personally think it would only clutter up the account area needlessly.

         
      • Erica

        10/01/2013 at 12:22 am

        @seila and Spyridon: Yeah, I’m in the minority who tend to write unpopular/strange things/pairings (and sometimes get very surprised when it becomes popular). Because no one else does and and everyone else tends to do the same stuff…so I have an odd obsession on writing strange pairs and trying to do out of the box ideas.

        Yeah, I know. Weird girl with weird habits/taste XD

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/01/2013 at 2:37 am

        @ seila – It helps to factor in other things. One example is any theoretical work will naturally get low favorites and follows for a fandom as they aren’t as popular. It has come in handy when writers have asked me why the stories aren’t very popular because I can also pinpoint whether it is them or whether or not they’re just writing for an unpopular trend.

        @ spyridon – I’ve called reviewers out for bad critique, but the only time I’ve ever lectured a reviewer about the way they reviewed was for one reviewer I caught writing copypasta reviews on my stories as well as other writers that included telling the writer that their stories were all ten out of ten.

         
      • seila

        10/02/2013 at 12:47 pm

        Spyridon – So very true.

        Erica – The world would be boring without a couple weird people to balance things out :P

        yemi – That’s true as well. While I’m partial to theoretical concepts, I’ve noticed the average reader won’t so much as take a peek.

        Lynn – I don’t see any real benefit. The numbers games carry on whether you play it or not, unfortunately. Actually, half the point of this conversation is that we end up getting dragged into the number games even when we think we’re staying out of it.

        Although, along that line of thought, it might be nice to have an option not to see certain stats as a reader. Then it wouldn’t be certain authors/stories vetoed out, but a member logged in, browsing, and not seeing all of a certain stat.

         
      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/20/2013 at 1:54 am

        @Spyridon: I prefer fewer, quality reviews to a lot of “Great work” or “I love it!” Short reviews really aren’t that fulfilling. I mean, yes, I’m always happy to hear someone enjoyed my work, but I kind of want to know why, and then I’m left grasping at empty air. Meanwhile, I have read and re-read reviews I have found particularly satisfying because of sheer substance and glowing praise. The reviews do not have to be lengthy; specific and efficient is ideal. I tend to dislike reviews that quote back my writing. They should paraphrase or reference snippets instead of large blocks of text. I can easily review my own work and need no reminder if the reference is paraphrased well.

         
    • Lynn Hollander

      09/30/2013 at 9:11 pm

      >seila: Keeping numerical privacy would be an option. The author could elect NOT to be part of the numbers game, or do nothing, which would continue the default system. I would opt out as soon as it became possible.

      The review system, where a review like this one, in its entirety — buxom –which was left on one of my stories– and atrocities like — luv ur chapter, which I have read — rank the same as 5 K+ characters’ worth of analysis and comment, has been flawed from the beginning. –Not that the number fanatics actually read any of the reviews, they just count them.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/01/2013 at 2:48 am

        Not that the number fanatics actually read any of the reviews, they just count them.

        Yeah… because all number fanatics are number fanatics because they’re trying to play a numbers game. In reality a true number fanatic is actually going to read the reviews because its not just the number of reviews that matter but also the proportion of reviews that only gush praise compared to the analytical ones. They also factor in content of the reviews. Even those who don’t play the number games can use numbers to determine things about a story as well as a writer just by examining the numbers because the trends are so repetitive in their minds they’re able to recognize them without being a true number fanatic. So please… stop grouping everyone who cares about the numbers being there into one group. Author’s should not be allowed to elect out of what amounts to statistical data that the site admins have decided already isn’t private.

         
      • Lynn Hollander

        10/03/2013 at 10:24 pm

        Seila: “The numbers games carry on whether you play it or not, unfortunately.” –I don’t play it now; I’d just like everyone else to accept that I don’t and to allow other like-minded authors to opt out.

         
  12. Brian Runyon

    09/30/2013 at 9:46 am

    Good to know you fixed that problem. NOw if you don’t ind, please fix the adblocker and the cancelapply in the filters so I can access all the ratings and all the English stories in sections I want? You haven’t done a thing about those at all which bugs me.

     
    • cmcwiki

      09/30/2013 at 4:20 pm

      FFNET has discontinued their use of adblocker for whatever reason. If you have Firefox or Chrome, you can download the FREE Adblock Plus Extension. It eliminates ads in all sites. Don’t know about your problem with the filters.
      Please give the following info and i am sure it will be fixed soon.
      A) Link are you trying to access which received an error/connection problem.
      B) Country
      C) Internet Connection Type: Dial-Up, 3G, 2G, 4G, Satellite, Cable, Fiber.
      D) Device and device model if known.
      E) Browser and browser version if known.

       
  13. cmcwiki

    09/30/2013 at 4:16 pm

    I think I just had a good day. I noticed a violation in her story a week ago and alerted her to it. Very polite.

    “I think that your story goes against the content guidelines:
    Entries not allowed:
    Non-stories: lists, bloopers, polls, previews, challenges, author notes, and etc.
    One or two liners.
    MST: comments inserted in between the flow of a copied story.
    Stories with non-historical and non-fictional characters: actors, musicians, and etc.
    Any form of interactive entry: choose your adventure, second person/you based, Q&As, and etc.
    ++++++ +Chat/script format and keyboard dialogue based entries. ++++++++++++++++++

    I just wanted to give you a headsup before someone reported you.
    I like your work and just didn’t want anything unfair to happen to you.
    have a nice day
    9/22″

    “Hm, I didn’t even notice that. Thank you so much for bringing it to my attention! I might just slip in the Makeout Tactics scenes in as Omakes or something in The King.”

     
    • Spyridon

      09/30/2013 at 5:18 pm

      You know I’ve always had a question about that section of the Content Guidelines. Exactly what are MSTs?

       
      • The Warty Hogg

        09/30/2013 at 7:21 pm

        It stand for “Mystery Science Theater,” a very silly television show where characters watched bad scifi movies and commented on them. It was HILARIOUS. It went off the air because the owners of the bad movies started wanting more money to show them. In other words, copyright came into play.

        A “MST” takes the text copied directly from the book and comments on it. They are really more ‘character reading the book’ in print that an MST, which included visual jokes.

        The point it, MST had to PAY for the rights to comment on something. If a poster on FFN copies copyright protected material, they had better either pay for it or be ready to get sued.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/30/2013 at 10:24 pm

        Oh, I never saw Mystery Science Theater so thanks for the breakdown. :D

         
      • Erica

        10/01/2013 at 12:10 am

        MST fics also was focused on the characters reading other people’s fics, mainly bad!fics, rather than taking anything from books, which is what makes it separate from ‘Characters Readings Books’ fics. It still has copied work in it not belonging to the MST author, but that’s the difference for your information.

        Personally, I found MST fics hilarious and a Harry Potter one was what got me into fanfiction in the first place (and how I found out about fanfiction). It’s too bad they’re not allowed, but it is what it is. But I was here when that rule wasn’t in place, so it shows how long I’ve been on this site XD

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/01/2013 at 2:54 am

        I think the first character reads the books story I ever found actually fell into the line of actually being humerus as the person writing the MST actually managed to poke fun of the original series. That’s not what most of these writers are doing. Most of the people who do humorous commentary on badfic via MST on books actually take a different route when it actually comes to published material under copyright. They also now choose works that are bad like Twilight over stuff like Harry Potter.

         
  14. Spyridon

    09/30/2013 at 5:43 pm

    I’ve been thinking about this a while too. Maybe FFN should have a purge every 3rd month? They could focus on a quarter of the site every time to help cycle through the entire on a good schedule.

    1) January, April, July, and October
    2) February, May, August, and November
    3) March, June, September, and December

    Though I think it would suck for stories to disappear in December and June/July. I think I would like Option 2 more but there should be regular site purges. Heck, I’d go for a major purge at least once a year.

     
    • The Warty Hogg

      09/30/2013 at 7:24 pm

      I have a theory that the only admin who has the authority to delete posters who violate the guidelines lives in a cabin in the woods, way off the grid, and has to pedal a bicycle in order to generate electricity. He has a problem with the bike chain. Most of them time, it is broken, but every now and then, he gets it up to speed and deals with a few complaints.
      I have noticed a couple of copyright violators have been dealt with today. He must have gotten his bike fixed and is pedaling furiously away.

       
      • LC

        09/30/2013 at 7:48 pm

        I’m too tired to read things like these…
        Me laughing right now doesn’t sound too good…
        Nice one.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/30/2013 at 9:30 pm

        Yes, thank you for taking care of numberonehpfan after eight years of their defrauding JK Rowling by posting her work on your site for free.

        Mind working on the rest of the 140 I sent you yesterday? Or should I do as I suggested in my (still yet unapproved) post above and list all 700+ copyright violations I have found in the last three months here?

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/01/2013 at 6:01 am

        I googled them. I love the fact the link to their profile now says… “FFNID 920661 – numberonehpfan – Harry Potter – Inactive, Copyright Infringement” Never have seen that before.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/01/2013 at 9:36 am

        LMAO! – that’s the TAPIR thread.
        Profile – http://www.fanfiction.net/u/920661/numberonehpfan – is gone. :)

         
      • Lillian

        10/01/2013 at 12:38 pm

        Lol. Nice one. Though I am wondering that too.

        Hah, one down several thousand to go. Also, anyone else noticed that jmill9 is back writing Characters Read the Books. S/he was once warned about this by the admins before, now she is back to writing them. Come on admins, do some purging and get us a new system of reporting abuse!

        (Still reporting several other copyright violators, and MA content. (XTheSonofHadesX just updated.)

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/01/2013 at 3:06 pm

        Admin – why you need to get on this issue:

        http://www.fanfiction.net/r/5700607/0/2/

        CollinMorganTheNewGothDoctor 12/23/11 . chapter 10
        read the Reading The Books story by jmill9(?) it is very good and if you take away the extra writing youy have the story without buying it!

        and another on SID 6755585 –

        101EmilyRox 2/20/11 . chapter 2
        You must keep going on this. I really want to read this next filler chapter.

        Instead of typing up the book copy and paste it from jmill9 story but change the comments, it’ll save time and get more chapters up ;)

        Keep it up,

        Emily

        People are aware that this is defrauding the original authors, and they do not care. When the site gets sued for abetting this, you cant say you’ve not been given every opportunity to remove the infringing works.

        The one that Lillian is referring to is UID 1847346
        SIDs 9422322, 8945985, 8949855

        Your users think that you allow this copyright infringement – and by not responding to the numerous complaints you are receiving about it, you are proving them correct.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/01/2013 at 3:21 pm

        Ahh… it was late at night.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/01/2013 at 5:40 pm

        Five e-mails on five separate users intending to defraud Mr. Riordan by posting his copyrighted material on your site and allowing users to read it at no charge, thus robbing him of his profits and income, have just been sent to you, copying his agent Nancy Gallt.

        I request once again that you process this infringement and blatant theft with celerity.

         
      • Lillian

        10/02/2013 at 3:36 pm

        I’m composing a list of rule breakers with copied text of Rick’s books to send to Nancy Gallt. Any tips of how I should address this issue Rogue?

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 3:43 pm

        @Lillian, are you nuts? I thought we established that we DON’T want FFNET to be sued.

         
      • Lillian

        10/02/2013 at 4:11 pm

        Slightly, cmcwiki. We may not want FFN to be sued, but some action has to be taken against these copyright offenders, and get FFN’s admins off butts and do some much needed cleansing of the site. If that means having to risk a lawsuit, so be it. I rather FF face another lawsuit then watch an innocent author lose profit and income because of ignorant users who don’t know the meaning of “it’s not allowed.”.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/02/2013 at 6:38 pm

        @Lillian – what I did when I sent the list of 140 to the admins and to the Blair Partnership (and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, really, because it didn’t even cover all seven books) was to start with the book title, and then the stories which infringed the copyright, then the next title, and so on.

        You can list the percentage of material directly lifted, should you choose. I will tell you that I have discovered that my word processor’s word count and FFN’s word count function do not come up with the same numbers.

        @cmcwiki – If you were plagiarised, just on your fanfiction, you would want to know. And if I found it, you would get a PM from me. If I was told about it, you would get a PM from me. And I would tell you the same thing I’ve told every other author who’s been plagiarised on site – file a DMCA takedown notice. It took them two days, but they did process mine (with an apology for it taking so long, even!). It took them a week on another individual of whose complaint I’m aware.

        If I would give you that courtesy for a fan work how much more do you think the original work’s author deserves to be aware? Do you not think that they deserve to know? If the site refuses to remove copyrighted material reported by its members, then I will take the necessary steps to get the information to the person that can file the complaint that will get it removed.

        JKR does us the courtesy of allowing us to play in her world. Riordan is not nearly as comfortable with it. I don’t know Meyer’s position on it. James, honestly, shouldn’t be able to complain given that hers started as a fan work of Meyer’s. People denigrate Clare’s efforts, but she has hers copyrighted as well, and deserves to know. The list goes on.

        My point here is that they deserve to be made aware since the admins refuse to police this or remove the material when reported. They don’t deserve to have their income (I don’t care how much JKR’s worth now, she was a struggling author before) stolen from them by people posting up their copyrighted material for free on the internet.

        This behavior is what SOPA was about. Piracy – which is what this is – is so offensive that several nations have passed bans on sites that allow it. Do I want to see FFN on that list? NO. That is another reason that I’m willing to take the time to make the original authors aware. Get the material down, and then the site can’t be reported to ISPs in Europe for being a pirate site. Because right now? It can. And they can point to the same material I can point to in order to prove it.

         
  15. cathy massey

    09/30/2013 at 9:24 pm

    Not the first time that this, or a very similar bug, has occurred.

    Some fics I’ve read have lost all quote marks, with the author saying she was unable to get it restored. Superb author, the fics were posted in ’03, but I don’t know if the damage happened as they were posted or later.

     
  16. Miss Kisharoo

    09/30/2013 at 10:18 pm

    Hmm. Thanks for all the hard work lately. Please keep it up this time. ;)

     
  17. Book 'em Again

    09/30/2013 at 10:41 pm

    I am having a technical problem with the forums. I write my posts in Word and then copy/paste them into the post box. However, when I post the response your site takes out the spaces after all punctuation making it hard to read. I can’t fix this before I hit post and trust me I have tried. Once posted, I can then edit my post and manually add spaces after each sentence but it is getting rather annoying.

    I have this problem in three seperate forums: two in TV and one in general. So I think it may be site-wide.

    Any help you can offer is appreciated.

     
  18. knotothedrk

    10/01/2013 at 2:21 am

    /sigh….am I the only one who thinks that we might as well just give into the fact that people just like their MA smutt… believe this or not, I received an anon complaint recently because I lacked said smut in my M rated fiction…. it was from a guest…so I have no way of knowing who it was from, but this is the copy paste:

    A new review has been posted to your story.

    Story: Ambiguity: Waiting
    Chapter: 1. Chapter 1

    From: Guest
    ——————-

    :just seeing your name here is enough to
    make me feel upset. 3/4 of your m rated stories are full of pretenses
    specially the love scene or romance part, there’s something always missing.

    ————-

    You know, it’s things like this that actually make me want an MA section… not that I would toss smutt everywhere, but so that I would stop getting harassed because I don’t actually write it…the MA lovers can have their MA, and leave us M writers who don’t write smutt alone…(I use M as the ideal that things are meant to be read on a level of intelligence, or failing that, adult things a 13 year old can not grasp yet…I don’t think of M as sex every third paragraph)

    What I don’t understand, is if you have to use Smutt, why not use the AO3 like everyone else? They allows it…./sigh…

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/01/2013 at 3:01 am

      Problem is MA wasn’t just banned because the site admins were worried about kids finding it. It was banned because most MA content isn’t good stuff quality wise. Mind you, there are things that are good quality.

       
    • cathy massey

      10/02/2013 at 9:35 pm

      I haven’t gone to it, nor do I intend to, but don’t I recall seeing an occasional search engine hit for ‘adultfanfiction. net’? I assumed that it was there to sequester the stronger stuff, but functioned as a site similar to this one, perhaps even owned by this site’s owners.

       
      • Cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 9:43 pm

        Nope totally unrelated

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/02/2013 at 10:23 pm

        I assure you that AFF has nothing to do with FFN. At all.

        And Xing has nothing to do with AFF.

         
  19. knotothedrk

    10/01/2013 at 3:40 am

    I could argue many things about quality, smutt not the only thorn in my side…but it seems more and more, people assume M means sexual natures and things that just…well, let me put it this way, there are some fandoms I dare never peep into anymore…it’s like readying a playboy channel with all of my beloved characters… It makes me quite sad to see, actually.

    I’ve always had an issue with how loose the term for M rating is, considering that what one person might consider graphic another would consider fairly mild…(I’m actually a prude in many respects in what I consider MA, though I’m not one to wig out about it if I do come across it, considering I know I’m a prude…I’ve been told as much by many different people, friends and family alike.) In any case, we don’t get a defined line really, and that doesn’t help much with the content that runs rampant…though, truth be told, I’m in smaller fandoms most, things with 4-10k fan fiction at best, normally.

    I can’t imagine what it would be like in the Harry Potter fandom, though I assume most of the larger ones are suffering in mass numbers. (I love the book series, but I fear the fandom after a few things I’ve heard about the kinds of things one might find…it’s disturbing!)

    In anycase…as it stands now, the poor quality, absolutely dirty things, are mixing in with our genuinely romantic, steamy but not graphic works and it’s turning into a kerfuffle…especially since admins at FFN don’t say clearly what they will and will not ban directly…

    For all I know, my being a prude, may not be prudish enough for someone and next thing I know, I may be reported for lord only knows what… /sigh…

    I’d really like to know how well, and carefully these reports are handled. Is it case by case? Purely by someone who’s offended? What drives them to bad a story when they do?

     
    • Belen09

      10/01/2013 at 8:36 am

      Personally on another site I have posted stories that touch on some LBGT issues, but I would be very hesitant other than in the most mild way to post them here – It’s just me I guess, though I have read other people who are more daring . . . Some humor can be ‘rough and ready’ and really ‘a kick’ but it isn’t mainstream, since this site is sort of a ‘catchall’ for everything ‘fan fiction’ . . . I mean really ‘What is ‘k’?’ Life isn’t k by any means . . . but this is a multicultural site, and some kind of standards have to come into play. (Some people always want to ‘mess things up’ – Plagurism is just wrong – if a person doesn’t have enough wit to write their own material, they need to be called to account for their actions.) Just some thoughts . . . thank you.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/01/2013 at 3:25 pm

        I’m honestly confused as to your point here.

         
  20. knotothedrk

    10/01/2013 at 9:22 am

    Plagurism is a complete horrible way to….well…. let’s not get into my thoughts on that, we’ll be here all day if I rant on that…..yeah, it’s wrong, stupid, and I hate it…

    Song Fiction, I don’t mind…in fact, there are some stories that it can enhance, and it’s a great thing…the lyrics are posted everywhere else in the world, shared on facebook, and other places….so really, no one is going to crazy if it is in a song fic, provided that given credit is due, when it is due….the anime world is dripping with musical creativity from AMV’s to MEP’s, parodies and covers (vocaloid singers) and even…yes, song fiction from us fiction writers…that’s not a big deal.

    MA works, well…that’s a thorny situation….are we talking an espenoage type thing, like could be found in Metal Gear Solid….or Horror found in Resident Evil? Then yes…bring on the MA rating, that can only help us….Are we talking about two consenting adults showing their love, and agreeing to the sexual act in question? Okay…that could go either way…that depends on personal morality, and can’t be measure…Or two under age teens playing hide the apple, rape regardless of age or gender, or something else equally bothersome? if we’re talking about that….then I have a problem with it…

    I agree about the GLBTQ issues… I am one of the daring ones…. I do dare to post it, Inky Black Redemption challanges Creed, romantic relationships among same sexed couples, and many other things….and it’s loved, so far…. but all it would take is one person going “You’re blaspheming religion!” and it would be all over….

    Let’s face it…before we start pushing on the ban hammers and report system that will no doubt be abused just as much as it will be loved, let’s ask for a very clearly drawn out user agreement that isn’t from 2008!

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/01/2013 at 9:55 am

      I find it ironic that you don’t have a problem with people lifting song lyrics and not paying for them, but you say plagiarism is wrong and horrible. You can’t have it both ways, really.

      Now, if they write their own lyrics, that’s fine. But when 95% of your story consists of someone else’s words, that’s still theft. And it’s worse when it’s copyrighted, because that’s something that can get the site sued.

      As to it “being everywhere else” – 1) I can’t help what other sites (like Facebook) allow. 2) That’s the exact same excuse I hear from thieves every day. “Everyone else does it!” “There are so many more authors doing the same thing that I am!” “Why can’t I do it, when it’s all over the site?”

      In reference to M – people misinterpret it to mean MA. MA doesn’t belong here. MA is too graphic for 13 year olds – that’s why it’s MA,. But people on this site still want to post porn for free, so they’ll continue to abuse the system as long as the admins continue to allow it.

      I don’t see why everyone says this isn’t clear.

      M: Fiction M can contain adult language, themes and suggestions. Detailed descriptions of physical interaction of sexual or violent nature is considered Fiction MA.

      MA: Content is only suitable for mature adults. May contain explicit language and adult themes.

      From right here: http://www.fanfiction.net/guidelines/

      That’s pretty clear. A “suggestion” is in no way the same thing as what you’re describing finding, and what I’ve seen recently. What “The Best Lemon Writer in Training” was recently deleted for was MA (and posting hentai on their profile and story images).

      As to what “drives” a report – well, I’ll admit that getting the graphically violent rape off the site takes priority over two characters engaging in romantic relations. At least as far as things that I would report. Not saying the other doesn’t warrant a report, because it’s still against TOS and Guidelines. Which each and every user is required to agree that they’ve read before they can post a chapter. But they don’t. They just click the box. Then complain when their stuff gets deleted. That’s part of what’s in that agreement – your account and all content are subject to deletion by the admins if they deem it violates the terms of service.

      As for K – think of it like cartoons. If you’ve watched any recently. Think of K as the Y rating. K+ as Y7. (though the ratings page says 9) Just because you don’t write material that would fit in that rating doesn’t mean the rating can’t be used by others.

      I want the report system to be upgraded – but more than that, I want them to get the personnel to handle the complaints and reports they receive. Until they do that, they won’t be able to actually process things, so it won’t matter what they do to the current system to “fix” things.

      As for “just liking their smut” – there are other sites for that. I have found ten year olds on this site. Ten!! And the admin still haven’t removed them, despite the proof that they are here in violation of COPPA. Would you want your ten year old reading Fifty Shades? Because let’s not forget that was originally posted on FFN as well – as a Twilight fanfiction.

       
    • yemi hikari

      10/01/2013 at 5:49 pm

      It is true that there are a few good songfics out there. The fact they’re good does not justify though taking the lyrics someone else wrote. In most cases that the story is actually good it can survive without the song and most of the stories that the lyrics actually truly add something it is because the writers are using it as a crutch to bolster their poor writing in the first place. Ironically a good deal of songfics don’t just involve the writer lifting the lines but their OC stealing the songs as their own as well, or the canon character they’ve self inserted themselves into. If you really want to be creative why not *gasp* use songs that have fallen out of copyright? But no, people have to use works that are under copyright still.

      As for MA content… it honestly doesn’t matter whether the two adults are consenting or not, or if the story is about rape or under aged kids having sex. It is possible to write all of these stories and still fall under the M rating. It’s about how descriptive a person gets with their writing and a person can honestly make a choice to be minimal in the description.

      And what does LBTQ issues have to do with this? I think it is paranoid to think that the site admins would suddenly go and ban slash fic because of religious radicals when they know their cases wouldn’t stand up in court. On the flip side they know if they were to ban slash fic they could be taken to court by the LBTQ people as they are showing a bias towards a particular demographic.

      Also, just because the rules haven’t been updated since 2008 doesn’t mean that said rules are no good because they’re over five years old. Mind you, some of the rules could be clarified because there is some terminology that some of the younger ones who don’t know stuff, but to be honest the rules are very clear cut about what is or isn’t allowed.

       
      • cathy massey

        10/04/2013 at 12:18 am

        As I did a some days ago, I’m going to un-lurk for a moment. This time, I’ll ask for some definitions about songfics.

        Is there a threshold for a story which is inspired by a song and quotes it and one that crosses the line?

        I’ve seen several fics that perhaps gave a stanza of a song to set the scene and introduce the mood, or that led each chapter with a couple of lines, or that included a note at the end attributing inspiration for the story to a particular song, reprinting the lyrics, and crediting the owners of the rights, so far as they could be traced. Probably 90% to 95% of those stories were the author’s own work, with the song lyrics interspersed.

        I think what I’m trying to ask is, where is the threshold between a legitimately used, and properly attributed quotation, and a songfic?

        What about Filksongs? I’ve wondered about them and copyright laws for a while. I spotted one or two here the other day, in a small fandom that is new to me. I looked up the lyrics to the songs the author based them on, and I don’t think there’s enough similarity to claim plagiarism, and they’re not recorded to music here so I suppose the tune copyright is probably not an issue on this site.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/05/2013 at 4:21 pm

        Fair use is supposed to allow one or two lines quoted from songs the exception being if that one or two lines is what makes said song what it is. Problem is the music industry has a habit of suing over one line and published author’s are so leery of using actual lines in their story that they’ll go ahead and pay the licensing fee or not use it at all even if said use were to fall under fair use. From what I understand ffnet sides with caution on this and says no lines from works under copyright. You’ve got to use works from 1922 or prior if you want to write a song fic.

        True filksongs on the other hand fall under parody no matter how much you use. By true filksongs I don’t mean replacing [he] for [she] or other character replacement. I mean like…

        Jingle bells
        Jingle bells
        Jingle all the way

        Compared too…

        Jingle bells
        Batman smells
        Robin layed an egg

         
  21. knotothedrk

    10/01/2013 at 10:16 am

    Now…here’s where we get complicated…

    M: Fiction M can contain adult language, themes and suggestions. Detailed descriptions of physical interaction of sexual or violent nature is considered Fiction MA.

    MA: Content is only suitable for mature adults. May contain explicit language and adult themes.

    What IS the cut off point? can we say nipple and not tit….do we have to stick with the word breast? Some characters just have very crass language or reactions…that’s normal…? or…well…I Ishouldn’t have to get colorful with the line of questioning to make the point that even round about making live…is still round about making love… /sigh… is that MA?

    What IS graphic according to the admins…because I assure you, we all don’t view that the same.

    Again, it’s in the eye of the beholder, and that’s where we tend to find our issue with people posting…well…what they post…

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/01/2013 at 11:09 am

      1980s R versus NC-17. That’s the best guideline I can give you. Because I don’t see it as unclear in any way, but then, I’m certain of what MA is and isn’t. If it would be in a porno, it’s MA. And I say 80s R because that has gotten slack in more recent years as well. I absolutely don’t see a story getting deleted over the word nipple (unless that’s all you post like a certain troll with a fascination for some racist terms), especially when that word can be used as the nipple of a baby bottle.

      If it’s something Harlequin would publish, it’s MA.

      I honestly think that you’re trying too hard to pick it apart. It’s simple. It shouldn’t have to be delineated with every single word that could possibly be used in an MA story in order to describe the difference.

       
    • seila

      10/02/2013 at 2:31 am

      The word “graphic” explains itself. It’s about how vivid the picture is. There are plenty of ways to make it very obvious that people had sex without describing the act.

      “Jill got pregnant that night.”
      “They went to bed together.”

      Neither of those examples toe any lines at all because there’s absolutely nothing graphic about them. No picture was painted.

       
      • Mr G

        10/02/2013 at 8:01 pm

        Yeah, but you just gave the K rated explanation. That’s why it doesn’t toe any lines. The confusion here is between M and MA ratings. At what point does it stop being M and becomes MA?

         
  22. knotothedrk

    10/01/2013 at 11:36 am

    Well, I hate to say this…and I do agree with you….but my point is this…there are fandoms on the FFN, that are inherently MA….by nature, they are MA… in fact, there are some Hentai anime on the FFN…that’s most assuredly MA..

    But, not even taking Hentai, let’s look at some of the fandoms they have in anime alone…

    Black lagoon: the anime has references to (child) snuff films, rape, Nazi’s, drugs, Revy says the F word in the anime well over 200 times in 25 episodes…need I continue, no? good…

    RIN – Daughters of Mnemosyne: Oh, where do I begin with this fandom? there’s a scene in episode 1, where a character is sexually tortured…I’m talking horrific piercings all over her body…and it goes down hill from there…

    NANA: Much more mild than the other two…but, you still have all of the loveliness that comes with stardom… sex, violence, drug use, pregnancy and how to deal with it…major character deaths, a whole slew of things, really.

    Gunslinger Girl: This series is just…it’s dark…it’s little girls carrying guns and killing people..and being okay doing it because their minds are warped enough due to forced conditioning that makes them listed to their handler, which more times than not, is an adult male…

    And those are just some of the anime I’ve seen that get… well, they just do…they already teeter on the MA borderline, if not cross it entirely.,not to mention all of the MA games that have fandoms. movies, books, the amount of already invited MA content goes without saying, it’s here, on the site, for the fans…they put fandoms there probably without knowing the content, yes… but sometimes, the content of the fandom itself, is just MA for it to begin with…

    My stance on that is why I feel like there needs to be clear and concise lines to follow…if we can’t have an MA (18 or 21+) section that requires a logged in account to use, the M section (16+) needs to be considered very carefully..

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/01/2013 at 12:16 pm

      Having an account doesn’t stop people from lying about their age. It never did. They used to have it where you clicked that you were 18 – they got rid of that. They’d have to have someone verifying ages. They won’t delete COPPA violations, so I highly doubt that this is a priority for them.

      The fandoms that are MA by nature? Shouldn’t be on FFN. That’s my opinion, and obviously admin Zack and owner Xing don’t agree with me. If it’s inherently MA, it shouldn’t even have a place to post stories on the site, but then writers would put it in “Misc”. This goes back, again, to them needing more personnel in order to police the site.

      Until they have the people in place to deal with infringement on policies, then they wouldn’t be able to eliminate fandoms that are MA only.

      I don’t think the admin should be asked to break down the basics. You’re aware that those fandoms are MA – so are the people who write in them. They were aware that the fandom violated the site’s terms when they requested the category. The admin might not have been aware when they created it what it was precisely, but they certainly should be by now.

      I think people are using the “it’s not defined” as an excuse to post things that they know don’t belong on site. It is defined, and I don’t think without creating a specified list, that it could be any clearer. And if they do that, then this is what they’ll get: “Well, it wasn’t on the list for MA. It contains vore, (if you don’t know what that is, I’m not telling you – use Google if you really want to know), and that’s not on your list.” They wouldn’t have necessarily wanted to include that particular fetish because it should be understood that it’s MA but since it’s not delineated, then people would post it.

      “You only listed rape, you didn’t list ‘rape of a two year old’.”

      If you think I’m kidding, go back to blog posts anywhere on any fandom on the net from June 2012, and you will find people complaining that MA stories were delete en masse. Go back to October 2002 and you’ll find even more complaints. People will nitpick it to death because they want to be right, even when they know they’re wrong.

       
      • Lillian

        10/01/2013 at 1:03 pm

        Actually, Resident Evil is rated M for mature. It is no way, in shape or form, MA content. Reason why it was accepted. If people push the boundary on that, that’s their fault. But I find it hilarious that someone would think RE is MA, if anything it is more like playing a T game. As for movie wise, it’s R (M for fanfiction) rated, no where near the M section.

        Gunslinger Girls.. Seriously, you believe that show/manga is MA.. LOL!!! I’ve read the dang thing and it may be dark, but it is nothing more that M at best. So yes, it falls in site rules.

        Black Lagoon T to borderline M. I’ve seen Black Lagoon enough to know it borders on the M rating. It’s action packed with some shady business, but rape?? It’s hinted at rape, but that does not make it MA.

        RIN.. Yay, you got one right, finally. Yes, this one is MA from the information I gathered for it.

        NANA: From what I’ve heard form others, this sounds more like K+ to T. I don’t know why you would believe this to be M, but okay…

        Now, if you are done whining about why your porn isn’t allowed (thank you Rogue for explaining it to this stubborn kid) go check out AdultFanfiction. When the MA ban came, it was clearly stated that if users wanted to post their porn to go there.. (it’s another sister site to Fanfiction.net)

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/01/2013 at 2:46 pm

        One thing, Lillian – AFF is no way shape or form related to or affiliated with FFN.

         
    • yemi hikari

      10/01/2013 at 6:01 pm

      Certain fandoms being R+ is a bad argument for allowing MA content as it is possible to write a K rated story for almost all of these fandoms and T rated for all of them. It’s also though a bad argument for banning them as well as you can write stuff that isn’t MA rated for them. Then there is the reason Rouge Mudblood pointed out about how everyone would post it to the misc. section as well as the fact there is too much MA content stuff out there to just outright ban all MA content.

       
  23. knotothedrk

    10/01/2013 at 12:38 pm

    …..well, that’s completely asinine on the part of the poster if they get that over the top..but then again, when I feel the urge to post what I deem could possibly be MA content, I do so on the AO3…so I’m not burning the eyes of those around me… unless they get snippy because they don’t like that I have to cut out particular things for the stories here, that don’t get cut over there… /sigh….

    THat that I write anything over the top…but as a rule, when in doubt, SNIP!

     
  24. The Warty Hogg

    10/01/2013 at 1:39 pm

    I am quite sure the people writing porn know they are writing porn and know it is against the rules but no one enforces the rules so. . .
    There are tons of sites designed specifically for porn. I can’t see why anyone would post porn here when they would probably get plenty of readers on a porn site. Maybe they just a get a cheap thrill knowing they are breaking the rules.
    I have nothing against porn and I know anyone reasonably intelligent eight-year-old can find all they want on-line these days but I just get annoyed by places where rules are made and never enforced. Just one of my little quirks.

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/01/2013 at 6:06 pm

      They do. I think one of the reasons they don’t post on sites that allow said content is because they know they have to verify their age to even get an account. For example, AFF… if they find out you’re under aged… boy… goodbye account.

       
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 2:40 pm

        Theres that, I also think that they know that people are more likely to read it on FFNET than if they posted it anywhere else. Its about recognition. We have a sophisticated sorting and filtering system making it easy for people to find these stories if they want to along with a guaranteed target audience. On these other adult sites (excluding AFFNET) their story traffic is extremely limited due to the thousands of other stories like it. On FFNET they draw interest, otherwise they are just another face in the crowd.

         
  25. knotothedrk

    10/01/2013 at 2:03 pm

    @ Lillin: …..ummm…I don’t post porn on the FFN….I was just stating a couple things is all…and again, I’m a prude…I’ve said that above…so I do consider those things MA content…hence why I say, clearly defined lines.

    @ The Warty Hogg: I agree…why have the rule if they won’t actually keep it clean…

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/01/2013 at 6:04 pm

      Because it takes time to weed out rule breakers. This is where a new and improved report system would come in handy as it would allow all reports sent in for one story to be grouped together as well as allow the site admins to easily sort through for specific types. Thus it would cut down on the work they had to do having to weed through reports that have already been sent in.

       
  26. The Warty Hogg

    10/01/2013 at 6:48 pm

    The admins would have to actually care about enforcing rules no matter system they use and as long as they don’t, people will keep breaking the rules and even the law until a rich lawyer gets involved.

     
    • Lillian

      10/02/2013 at 12:59 pm

      Which may be soon since we are now sending our reports to the publishers.

       
      • guest

        10/02/2013 at 3:03 pm

        nice going you just killed the site thanks alot idiot! now some greedy lawyer is gonna sue the site and have it shut down!

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 3:09 pm

        @guest. I think you are misunderstanding something here, the original author or their publishing company needs to hire the lawyer first. as long as no one gives them incentive its fine. Now if we want to keep this site open, everyone just needs to play ball.

         
  27. Shycadet

    10/01/2013 at 11:07 pm

    Thanks for the hard work. We seriously demand alot from you guys. All I know, as far as I’m concerned, I appreciate it all.

     
  28. guest

    10/02/2013 at 12:41 am

    Everything has been working great for me here the last week no problems at all. Thanks for all the hard work you guys put into fixing our problems and listening to a lot of us gripe about it. Keep up the hard work guys but also feel free to take a day off you have more than earned it.

     
  29. ManyNamed

    10/02/2013 at 2:28 am

    Not sure if this really belongs here but the categories were stripped from the ‘ all crossover’ section… again. This is a big pain for readers as it’s not possible to tell which universes are crossing. Please return the categories listing!

     
    • cmcwiki

      10/02/2013 at 2:00 pm

      which one? cause i’m lookin at the naruto xover all x and it looks just fine

       
  30. The Warty Hogg

    10/02/2013 at 1:28 pm

    What also annoys me in the admins ignoring their own abuse reports is we are doing this partly for them. They are the ones who will be sued. I know they are depending on some legal tricks and servers being off-shore and all that to save their bacon but if they are sued, I suspect those legal tricks might not work. There goes a nice income stream, when the owner of this site has to pay off all those authors.
    It is easier to ignore the looming legal issue than deal with it but as someone who is much older than most people on this site, I know that, sooner or later, the crows come home to roost. Sooner or later, some hotshot lawyer will make her name taking down FFN and make a big pile of money.

     
    • Lillian

      10/02/2013 at 3:22 pm

      Indeed. And it won’t stop with FFN. Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, DeviantArt and many other sites that have users flocking to them with their illegal content can be sued and taken down due to their stubborn behaviors. YourFanfiction and those ReadtheBook proboards thought they could get away with it, that is until the crows came.

      Guest: It is not our fault if the site gets shut down because the admins are too slow at getting to the reports. It is the fault of the users who believe they can post the illegal content, even though they were told they weren’t allowed, without consequence. If anyone is to blame it is the users who did not bother to listen and respect the rules, and the users who encourage those rule breakers such as yourself.

       
      • guest

        10/02/2013 at 4:08 pm

        while something does need to be done about the plagiarists please DO NOT CONTACT PUBLISHERS OR LAWYERS OR WE CAN KISS FFN GOOD BYE THEN IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT THE SITE GETS SHUT DOWN! fanfiction is a grey area and is pretty much ignored by the authors and publisher but if you drag lawyers into this there is a good chance fanfiction IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM WILL BE MADE ILLEGAL!! is that what you want for fanfiction to disappear forever? because that what will happen if you drag legal teams like Nancy Gallt in to this.

         
      • guest

        10/02/2013 at 4:23 pm

        “I rather FF face another lawsuit” if FFN gets another lawsuit their will not BE an FFN anymore. don”t underestimate how greedy and corrupt lawyers can be they will bleed this site DRY.

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 4:39 pm

        I have to agree with Guest here, There’s no need to hasten an apocalypse of FFNET because you are concerned about Original Author’s rights. Lets try to see how xing handles it before we summon the loss of our beloved site. these stories ARE getting removed so there is already action being taken. Lets not poke the sleeping dragons just yet (publishing companies/authors)

         
  31. guest

    10/02/2013 at 4:13 pm

    oh and xing? stop being so laid back on these reading the books plageriasts or someone is gonna screw us all over.@Lillian Is already being dumb enough to try and set the site up to be sued by thinking about bringing legal teams into this so HURRY UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!

     
    • Lillian

      10/02/2013 at 4:20 pm

      LOL! I’m not the only one bringing publishers into this. Rogue has already brought J.K’s into this, and has also contacted Nancy about Mr. Riordan’s. I’ve also seen users on the website tell users such as april-babe16 that they were contacting the publishers against them. So I am not the only one doing this. Stop whining.

      Also, I’m writing a letter to Mr. Riordan himself just in case.

       
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 6:48 pm

      Guest, I’ve been copying the site on every report I’ve sent to Blair. This is not being done behind their back. They’re being given every opportunity to resolve this. You need to stop flagrantly disregarding reality and understand that the original authors who let us play in their worlds could issue a C&D if they so choose, completely eliminating your rant altogether. Check the guidelines page on site – there are already several authors who have issued C&Ds.

      I will never condone the theft of another person’s work or property. The personnel for the site is obviously overwrought, thus why I keep saying Sing needs to hire more people.

      And I find it interesting you’re picking on Lillian. I’ve been publicly posting that I’ve been contacting Blair for months. And they know me quite well, now, thanks. Lovely bunch, truly. :)

       
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/02/2013 at 6:49 pm

        Xing* needs to hire. *blushes at typo*

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 6:53 pm

        I agree with you, I’m just fearful for the website losing a HUUUUUUGE chunk of their users if HP got removed.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/02/2013 at 7:00 pm

        And that’s exactly my point. It’s in Xing’s best interests to remove the copyright infringement, because if he loses that many users due to a C&D, he loses that much ad revenue.

        Same with the other large fandoms.

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 7:17 pm

        We NEED a way to get rid of these plagiarized stories faster. and a standardized message for those who don’t understand why their story was removed too.

        “Hi this is Xing, your story was removed because copying and pasting a published work, (aka Plagiarism) is illegal and I kinda like being able to let people get to post for this fandom. I’m sorry I had to remove your story, but I’d be even sorrier if I had to remove the entire fandom due to a lawsuit. Please understand and have a nice day.”

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 7:27 pm

        addendum
        “Please read through the site guidelines carefully before posting in the future (http://www.fanfiction.net/guidelines/)

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/02/2013 at 7:29 pm

        To which they would respond: “It’s not plagiarism because I said I didn’t own Harry Potter!”

        Seriously, that’s one of the arguments that’s been given. mx-alyce gave that argument when she took enormous sections of Harry Potter, changed Harry to Heather (missed a few, actually) and added some segments of her own. She said it wasn’t plagiarism because she noted that “some of this chapter was copied directly.” That’s not going to stop her from getting sued, or any other “author” who engages in such activity.

        (see stop-plagiarism here: http://stop-plagiarism.livejournal.com/177048.html)

        That theft is still up on her LJ account.

        The only way to get rid of the stolen stories faster is for Xing to check his resources and re-appropriate as needed, and hire as needed. Until he does, the problem will persist, and the liability will increase.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/02/2013 at 9:30 pm

        Honestly it is better that the site gets a C&D for the individual material infringing on copyright rather then a C&D for any given fandom. If they’re going to issue a C&D for the fandom it’s not just going to be ffnet that gets the issue either but every other single fanfic site out there that allows works for that archive to be posted. Even worse would be lawsuit. What action they take can actually be effected positively by the fact that a fan is approaching them about this.

         
      • tiquatue

        10/03/2013 at 12:02 pm

        @Yemi. The problem is: it may not be “just” J. K. Rowling’s agents. It may be Scholastic, which would take out all properties owned by them. Here’s another example: the crappy cartoon x-over “parodies”, where they plagiarize scripts from Disney or Warner Bros. and put other cartoon characters in for the leads. Consider what would happen if Disney filed a C&D. No more Pixar movies. No more ABC shows. No more Marvel. No more Star Wars and, of course, no more Disney in all its permutations. If Warner Bros. did the same? No more DC Comics. No more CW shows. No more Warner Bros. OR Hanna-Barbera cartoons (WB bought out Turner, which had bought Hanna-Barbera). And probably no more Harry Potter because Warner Bros. has the movie rights.

        With the way corporations are bought and sold, one C&D from a conglomerate will have a domino affect on all of its properties and will seriously cripple ff.net. Smaller, less-frequented archives might be able to deal with such a C&D; usually, they’re not making a profit off advertising but trying to recoup hosting and bandwidth costs–if they have advertising at all. FF.net, on the other hand, has to be making a profit above and beyond the essentials of operational costs.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 12:43 pm

        Titaku – I will say that Scholastic and Bloomsbury (UK publisher) have both directed me to Blair, so all communication since then has been handled through Blair directly.

         
  32. The Warty Hogg

    10/02/2013 at 4:52 pm

    The solution is simple. Enforce the rules. While no one has ever actually taken transformative fan fiction to court, copyright infringement has definitely gone there and won.

     
    • guest

      10/02/2013 at 4:56 pm

      then it looks like FFN is done for….

       
      • Lillian

        10/02/2013 at 5:09 pm

        Lol. My, Warty, it seems our Guest has a sense of “doom”. As Warty just said, the solution is simple, the admins need to start enforcing their rules. If they had done so in the first place, we wouldn’t have need to inform the publishers of the copyright violators. But as it is….

        Also, this is not FFN’s first time facing a lawsuit. If I recall correctly, the reason why they added those rules was due to their first. If anything, the admins will find a way to adapt to the situation as they have done before. Meaning they either will become stricter, add more rules, or put the fandoms with the most problems on ice (Do Not Post List).

         
    • cmcwiki

      10/02/2013 at 5:07 pm

      To do that, we need to have teams to handle abuse reports and act on them. FFNET needs to show that they enforce their rules and to do that we need to empty that cache of abuse reports.

      that and a more sophisticated system, multiple abuse reports towards the same user or story are put into a folder. If one of the reports for that folder reads as true, that story/user is removed and all reports regarding what was removed go poof.

       
      • guest

        10/02/2013 at 5:10 pm

        forget it the sites as good as dead now thanks to @Lillian and her friends. all we can do now is watch as the lawyers bleed this site until nithing is left…

         
      • Lillian

        10/02/2013 at 5:14 pm

        Lol.. Yes, my friends and I are so evil that we care enough about the site to actually tell on the users who are the real villains in order to help it.

        Seriously kid, stop being so over dramatic. This isn’t FF’s first show down.

         
  33. BethanForever

    10/02/2013 at 6:26 pm

    PLEASE Don’t have them take down this site and I believe it would be your fault for not letting FanFiction handle it they’re in the middle of things so thank you so very much!

     
    • Lillian

      10/02/2013 at 6:40 pm

      I am not the one who decides what the admins do or don’t do, nor am I the one who decides how the publishers will handle it. Some publishers will probably just send a warning to the admins about the said stories for their removal, or they might seek legal action. The point is, nobody really can decided what they will do. If Rick does read the letter and speaks against it, without legal action sought but hinted at if it continues, that would be great to show that these types of stories are not allowed.

      And again, it won’t be entirely our fault if legal action is sought. We may have had a small role in helping it along, but really, ultimately, it is the users who violate the site rules without regard that will be the sites actual downfall. If they were to follow the rules that they, and everyone, agreed to upon joining and, again, before posting, it wouldn’t be a problem. If the admins enforced their rules as they were suppose to, it would be a problem. But as it is, they don’t and this is the end result.

      If we hadn’t informed the publishers, or authors, about these cases the problem could become way worse to the point where the site is taken down and Xing possibly arrested (let’s not forget what happened to the dude who ran MegaUploads), or more aggressive users could still inform the publishers but in a way much more threatening to the site than we are doing.

      Really though, it is not our fault we choose to inform the outside parties about the obvious copyright violations. It is our choice to do so due to our care for the site and it’s rule following users. However, I won’t deny that if the site is faced with a law suit, that it is a slight fault on ours, but more of a fault on those who knew they violated the rules and the admins who didn’t bother to enforce their rules.

       
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 6:55 pm

      I disagree on one point with Lillian – it is not my fault if the site gets sued, nor is it hers.

      The users who choose to publicly defraud the authors of whom they claim to be fans are the ones at fault here – and the users who encourage them to do so. However, as I pointed out above, Xing and his team are being given every opportunity to resolve this because I am copying them on every e-mail I send to a publisher. I’m not hiding this. I’ve never hidden it.

      And this has been ongoing for months.

      The material has been allowed to be on site for years! Why, suddenly, are you so upset that someone wants it removed?

      As I said to cmcwiki (scroll up a bit), if you were plagiarised, I’d give you the exact same courtesy. You have rights, they have rights. Why should anyone be allowed to infringe on theirs? Why is it not okay by most users to copy a fanfiction story verbatim, but some users think it’s hunky-dory to copy/paste the entire text of Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone? Or Twilight? or Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief? Or Fifty Shades of Grey? And the list goes on.

      Explain to me why you think one is okay and one is not, please.

       
  34. BethanForever

    10/02/2013 at 6:52 pm

    But you did chose to bring other people into this maybe the admins are trying to deal with the users that have broken the rules and are just trying to do it slowly making sure and I don’t think the Percy Jackson Author and JK wouldn’t get mad because they’re fans that just don’t understand anything that is against the law…

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 7:34 pm

      THEY BROKE THE LAW. That does not make me at fault for anything.

       
    • yemi hikari

      10/02/2013 at 9:15 pm

      Why do they need to make sure that RTB’s breaking the rules when the lines are so obviously lifted from the books? If they’re taking it slowly it’s likely because they’re planning on mass purging a huge amount at once to have a stronger effect.

       
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 9:16 pm

        WOOOT! GO MASS PURGING!

         
  35. knotothedrk

    10/02/2013 at 7:19 pm

    ….well this escalated quickly…not that I support either side of this argument… both sides have valid points…but here’s what I think.

    I doubt the site is going to die a horrific doom…if it does, it does… and sadly it would be horrible, but there are other homes to go too…there will always be a home someplace…

    Realistically though, changes will likely be made…stricter things will likely fall into place…but I highly down Fan Fiction as a whole will be outlawed…it just isn’t going to be possible to prevent it since the USA makes quite a bit of money from anime cons, and at those cons fans sell their own works…drawings, plushies, quilts, hand made doujinshi, ect, ect…in the end people visit them so that they can spend time with others and spend cash..

    … those cons generate revenue and publicity to major cities…The same can be said for film festivals, fan reenactment plays, gaming conventions, and the list goes on…

    There is too much generated over all profit to outlaw fan fiction…because if they do that, they would have to outlaw the things that make a profit as well such as fan made knickknacks that draw people to those conventions and workshops in the first place……and they know better than to try that here in the USA on such a grand scale…

    Besides they have bigger fish to fry than an occasional fan fiction writer….this is just another pain in the rear brought on by negligence on several sides of the coin…that’s all this is…

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 7:32 pm

      “they have bigger fish to fry than an occasional fan fiction writer”

      …To which I respond: “Anne Rice.” (And if you know anyone who’s written fanwork based on her stuff, you’ll know what I mean. She will hunt you down.)

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/02/2013 at 7:36 pm

        I have no idea who the woman is…but I will say this… I meant fans who are keeping to themselves and being good little fans… no one is going to chase after a fan just for being a fan, unless it’s provoked…that’s what I meant…

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 7:38 pm

        She was the OTHER “Vampire booklady” Queen of the damned, interview with a vampire etc

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/02/2013 at 9:11 pm

        She’s on the banned works list that everyone would be aware of if they actually read the site guidelines they’re supposed to read before posting, the banned works list being writers who have requested ffnet not to host their work.

         
  36. BethanForever

    10/02/2013 at 7:29 pm

    Here’s a point why put Harry Potter and Percy Jackson FanFiction on here if people are going to be just yelling at each other about it and copying it that’s just stupid. I think Xing is trying to do something about all of this and we’re just not giving it enough time please just freaking wait.

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 7:31 pm

      It’s been YEARS! How long do you expect us to wait? How long would you be patient if it were your work? Would you wait two years? Three? Five? You’re being unreasonable.

       
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 7:36 pm

        Yeah this isn’t something that popped up a month ago. Xing had been away from the site for far too long and in doing so shot himself in the foot by not being here to enforce his rules. Now its a struggle to get this site back to where it needs to be (i.e where it would be if he’d never left and we had some rule enforcers here)

         
    • knotothedrk

      10/02/2013 at 7:33 pm

      …I don’t read those fandoms, I steer clear…so i haven’t reported any stories since, I haven’t read any from there……so I have no idea what’s really going on…I would hope we could all just breath easy and not worry overtly… just keep calm…

      This will likely blow over…

       
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/02/2013 at 7:35 pm

        Since you admit you don’t have any knowledge of the debate, you really don’t have an argument to make.

        BethanForever is arguing that plagiarism shouldn’t be reported. I believe it should.

         
  37. BethanForever

    10/02/2013 at 7:33 pm

    Also! If it’s not really copying if they throw in their own characters and story lines about the characters or twist the characters around and add more characters. But I agree if they’re just copying it word for word they should be reported.

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/02/2013 at 7:34 pm

      from what I understand… it is word for word… it has been happening in several fandoms, not just HP…

       
      • BethanForever

        10/02/2013 at 7:35 pm

        Like Twilight and Percy Jackson right?

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/02/2013 at 7:41 pm

        That makes them less worthy of being notified? For your edification, it’s also being done in every Disney fandom, all Dream Works fandoms, Inuyasha, Garfield…. again, the list goes on.

         
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 7:35 pm

      Oh, it’s word for word alright. Scroll up. See mx.alyce. I’ve got more than 700 examples just like that.

       
    • yemi hikari

      10/02/2013 at 9:05 pm

      Most are word for word copying. Even if it wasn’t copying the text and making a few minor changes is still copying. That’s what I told xxJLCSAADFRNCxx months before she lost her account and she didn’t listen to me.

       
  38. knotothedrk

    10/02/2013 at 7:41 pm

    …in any case… HP and several other fandoms are much too large to just keel over on themselves…it isn’t logical to be out for blood against the innocent fans… may the others be held at their mercy… but innocent fans have nothing to fear….

    They will always have a home someplace…

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 7:42 pm

      It’s called a CEASE & DESIST for a reason. If it’s issued, then it’s gone. Yes, they would need to issue to each site, but they can certainly do that. They’re within their rights to do so.

       
      • cmcwiki

        10/02/2013 at 7:53 pm

        Too bad there’s not a Search and Destroy protocol.

        Xing could type in the first chapter of every Harry Potter/Percy Jackson book and it could remove every story that matches it regardless of breaks in the flow of the chapter.

         
      • Lillian

        10/02/2013 at 7:58 pm

        It is. Wattpad and Archive of Our Own, and DeviantArt, can easily receive the Cease & Desist order once they have been pointed out for having copyright violations on their site. And those real people fanfictions are just as much in violation as the copyright infringement works.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/02/2013 at 7:59 pm

        I’m not saying they can’t I’m saying they would have to be provoked beyond the point to do it…I have no idea how nuts the fan base is in HP (I know the Inuyasha and Sailor Moon fan base gets over the top though)

        It’s true they can order it…but if they order it for every site…then that tells you how disrespectful people have been to their works…a sad thing really..and at that point I wouldn’t blame them… even so, I’d still try to form small writing groups in the area, even if I couldn’t post them on a website… maybe a forum or something….among close friends…

         
      • Lillian

        10/02/2013 at 8:05 pm

        Even then the temptation to post the illegal works can happen, and you’d still receive the order to cease & desist the action. The readingthebooks proboards started out that way, and they had to remove every single work posted there once the reaper came in. You’d have to be very strict to make sure nobody gets the temptation to post the RPFs and the CRBs, and any other violation.

         
  39. knotothedrk

    10/02/2013 at 7:56 pm

    @ cmcwiki now there’s an idea…. how effective is that? Is it easy to do?

     
  40. Carrie

    10/02/2013 at 8:20 pm

    I’ve been having a Problem with staying logged in Mobile Fanfiction. It seems that it logs me out every few hours or so. Can you try to fix this please?

     
  41. Ruri

    10/02/2013 at 9:23 pm

    So many comments about the plagiarism/copyright infringement issue!

    I get why this is an serius issue, but is spamming here and calling out the plagiarist really the solution?

    It’ll be better to:
    -Use the report button, since it’s there for a reason. Spamming FF mail accounts and the comments here don’t really help.
    -When reporting, include a way for the admins to check easily if it’s really a plagiarism.
    If it’s the copy of a book or another copyrighted property, include a legal way to prove it. Hint: many official sites/sell sites include sample pages of the books they sell.
    If it’s the copy of a fic, include the link the the original fic.
    -Calm down. Some people are so invested in this, despite not being the victims, that it’s almost as if they had a personal vendetta against some users, instead of just being concerned users who don’t want to see illegal content. That impression doesn’t help, either.

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/02/2013 at 9:37 pm

      I honestly don’t think it helps having people come in and support those doing the plagiarism/copyright infringement. It stems from a few entries ago where a supporter came in and started arguing with people. Plagiarism is that sensitive of an issue. Even if you haven’t had something stolen from you if you are a real writer/artist you find issue with the stealing because they put little to no work into it and when you point it out they whine about how much work they put in when you yourself know what real work goes into actually writing something.

       
      • Ruri

        10/04/2013 at 9:41 pm

        Reading comprehension, Yemi, reading comprehension.

        I’m NOT defending plagiarist or saying that isn’t an issue, but spamming constantly about this doesn’t help. This blog is not a “report section” of a forum or anything like that.

        Spamming here makes harder for Xing to find comments relevant about the updates and, worse an all, makes the work behind the scenes harder (and I’m pretty sure anyone who has administrated or moderated a site knows what I mean).

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/05/2013 at 4:35 pm

        I need to work on my reading comprehension? Ruri… please reread what I wrote. I did not accuse you of defending or supporting a plagiarist. I simply pointed out the fact we have had people come onto the blog defending these people. One of them said something along the lines of, “well, Rowling gave us permission… this person I’m defending has proof in a letter”. Plagiarism when it comes up is a hot topic without these people coming in.

         
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/02/2013 at 10:15 pm

      Ruri-

      1) I was a victim. I have every right to be upset about plagiarism.
      2) I do use the report function. I do send e-mails. They don’t process reports, and e-mail response is slow. Posting it in the blog gets a response.
      3) I do send them proof. It’s part of the requirement of reporting, if you read that when you click it.
      4) Publicly noting a plagiarist has often been the only thing that has gotten something taken down.
      5) I am very upset about illegal works being on the site (in case that hasn’t been clear). I’ permitted to have an emotional response to an emotional issue because I’m an emotional being and not a computer.

      Please don’t make assumptions as to what was or wasn’t included in a report and was or wasn’t tried. Unless you go back and read all the blog posts for the last couple of months, you’re not going to see that this has been an ongoing discussion and that everything has been tried before this.

      Additionally, yemi is quite correct – having people come in here and defend plagiarism only serves to exacerbate the negative sentiment. And my question of why illegal copyright infringement should be allowed and plagiarism of fanfiction should not has been ignored by the defender, you’ll note.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/02/2013 at 10:29 pm

        that’s because the defender knows both are wrong regardless….but on a positive note does anyone know any deals about what a Search and Destroy protocol actually does and how easy it is to use…if the admins at FFN could use one… I think that would solve a lot of problems…but I’m not that knowledgeable about code…

        Is that a solution that could actually benefit the site and take some of the heavy foot work out their end of things, or at least prevent more posts as were discussed from occurring in the first place? I’ve no idea what kind of limitations that type of thing would have…but would it be a possible avenue?

         
      • BethanForever

        10/03/2013 at 12:01 am

        I wasn’t really saying that I’m all for getting rid of the stories that are being coped word for word sorry if it sounded like I was saying something very differently. As I am told if it’s not being copy word for word there’s nothing wrong I was going to ask you how I can keep a look out for copying stories and taken stories but if I kind of upset you I’m sorry.

         
      • Ruri

        10/04/2013 at 9:37 pm

        1) I have been plagiarized too and you know what?
        Reporting what happened, without making a big fuss, always was enough to get the plagiarist deleted.

        But the issue here is that you aren’t trying to do something against someone who stole your stories, instead you’re starting a witch hunt and keep spaming here because someone else was. Which brings me to the next point…

        2) DON’T SEND E-MAILS. They describe what they use their e-mails for and when you write them about something unrelated you’re making harder for everyone behind this site to do their job. And then you wonder why they take so long to do anything…

        3) A link with the prof it’s better than copy-pasted quotes, just so you know. And I’m not making assumptions about YOU I’m speaking generally, because many people don’t know how to make a report.

        4) Actually, doing that brings troll that would love to plagiarize the people complaining just for fun. I have seen that happen more than once.

        5) Take a breath and go out. Really, this isn’t your site, you aren’t going to get sued and as far as illegal stuff goes, people copying books here is one of the mildest things.

        I’m not saying you have to stop disliking and reporting plagiarist (I report plagiarist every time I catch one) but precisely because you and some other people keep bringing the topic and sometimes spamm repeating the same thing is that it’s starting to became an issue.

        6) I’ not defending plagiarists, but thanks for insinuating that just because I don’t agree with your spamming methods.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/04/2013 at 10:43 pm

        Ruri, I wasn’t talking about you on the defense of plagiarists. If you had read the posts you were complaining about, you would know that I was talking about BethanForever.

        And you know what? I think I’ll go with what works. The blog reports get the stories deleted, the e-mails get the stories deleted. The report function does not.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/04/2013 at 10:47 pm

        And how does sending an abuse report, using the e-mail they provided to send an abuse report to, following their guidelines for sending an abuse report, slow anything down? Your argument makes no sense.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/05/2013 at 4:44 pm

        Last time I checked the best way to deal with a plagiarist is to make things as public as possible. There is one writer I know who is a repeat offender when it comes to plagiarizing things. I should have made the whole thing a lot more public then I did because she obviously didn’t learn her lesson. And no, I’m not talking about the writer who claimed Rowling gave her permission either. E-mail hasn’t been working.

         
  42. yemi hikari

    10/03/2013 at 12:14 am

    Here is a link for you since you think that there is nothing wrong with it as long as it isn’t word for word.

    http://www.plagiarism.org/plagiarism-101/what-is-plagiarism/

    To quote what they say… “changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit” as well as “copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on “fair use” rules)”. That its only wrong if it’s “word for word” is a misconception.

     
  43. BethanForever

    10/03/2013 at 12:21 am

    Oh… So I see I know it’s wrong now… But is it really copying if you use your own ideas and change it up like the story line and etc.

     
    • cmcwiki

      10/03/2013 at 12:51 am

      Yes, yes it is. It doesn’t matter if “after reading the books the characters are better prepared and ready to change the future” or something like that. These guys are STEALING the books from the authors.
      You don’t understand. Take out the commentary, and you have the book for FREE online. that is money the author and publishing company is losing. Things that typically piss off authors and publishing companies.

      Kind of a big deal.

       
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/03/2013 at 1:23 am

      Let’s say you write a story.

      And in your story, a guy named George goes to China to save a horse. On the way there, we find out that George is one of the last descendants of the Ming dynasty, that he has to find a magical saddle in order to be able to ride the horse once he’s found it, and that George’s girlfriend is really his sister.

      Now, let’s say someone reads your story about George and they really like it. And they decide that they want to write a story that’s similar to it.

      Scenario A: They change George to Evelyn, China to the Dominican Republic, and a horse to a special butterfly. (Don’t ask me how you get a saddle on a butterfly. That’s for the thief to figure out.)

      Scenario B: They keep your character’s name and destination details, but have George discover his sister’s identity before he finds out about the saddle, and the saddle reveals his lineage.

      This is not fanfiction. This is theft. One is a copy/paste, the other is cobblefic (so named because it is cobbled together pieces of a story/stories).

      It’s the same thing when you have Lilo say Mulan’s lines, or have Hermione as the champion and use the text directly from Rowling’s book, just changing out Hermione’s and Harry’s names.

      It’s the same thing when Luigi is suddenly named the Kung Fu Master and demonstrates his ineptitude and Disney’s Hercules’ lines come out of Beetle Bailey’s mouth.

      It’s the same thing when you reorder sections of the Marauder portions of the Harry Potter books, or “add” a character into Percy Jackson but keep all the original text, or change Aang to Ariel and instead of developing a relationship with Katara, the avatar develops a relationship with Zuko.

      When YuGiOh reads Harry Potter, that’s intent to defraud JK Rowling, because there is no way that you can claim that’s fanfiction – all you’re doing is posting him reading the book. RTB is one of the most malicious forms of plagiarism because those posting it are actually robbing the original authors – of whom they claim to be fans – of their profits.

      I can use a lot of ‘loaded’ words to explain my point further, but hopefully this has clarified it for you. Copyright infringement is illegal. And, in case you think that I’m off my nutter about the European ISPs – https://www.facebook.com/virginmedia/posts/676098249070203 – for about a day earlier this year, FFN was blocked as a pirate site.

       
      • BethanForever

        10/03/2013 at 1:33 am

        So far my fandom’s fans are pretty good to each other from what I have seen no one has coped off each other nor me and if it happened to me I would want them to take it down before they got themselves into trouble for doing so. If they don’t that’s their problem when they get reported also if I wanted to join the form group that you have joined how do I join? I really want to help out.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 1:46 am

        TAPIR – on FFN, can be found here: http://www.fanfiction.net/forum/The-Plagiarism-Report/124913/

        stop-plagiarism is a livejournal community that works with removing plagiarism from numerous sites, so if you find a work that’s on FFN having been posted by someone not the author on deviantART, they would be the ones to contact if the offender refuses to take it down. They also work with other media – not just fiction, but art and video.

        My first step when I find plagiarism of a fandom author’s work is to notify the OA (original author) and make them aware of the issue and that they can file a DMCA takedown notice. I tried being patient and nice with people who were plagiarising copyrighted works, and the response I received was to be threatened and harassed. So I no longer warn or contact on those. I just report them.

        I will, of course, address erroneous statements made, such as “JKR sanctioned this” and “TAPIR and stop-plagiarism are the same group” – both of these are blatant lies. Otherwise, I don’t contact the thieves. Being threatened was the end of demonstrable diplomacy. There are others who handle that task, when they are so inclined.

         
      • BethanForever

        10/03/2013 at 1:53 am

        Okay good. First thing I’m going to start with is this girl called ZoeyGoesMeow I think that’s her name she bullied one of the author’s making her cry sadly her account was never taken down just only her stories which she hasn’t written how do you report an author that hasn’t written any stories is what I am asking you. I’ll probably go after a few 1D writers as well. Since it’s against the site.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 2:00 am

        TAPIR handles plagiarism. That’s all that TAPIR is set up for, is why it’s called “The Plagiarism Report.” What you would be looking for would be more under Critics United, with which I have no affiliation.

        I do not know their full regulations on reporting, but their forum is here: http://www.fanfiction.net/forum/Critics-United/78623/

         
      • BethanForever

        10/03/2013 at 2:05 am

        Alright. Thank you for all of your help and if I get any stories that are against the site I’ll post it on the form. Thanks for you help. :)

         
      • BethanForever

        10/03/2013 at 2:05 am

        Shoot I meant “For all of your help.”

         
      • tiquatue

        10/03/2013 at 12:18 pm

        @Bethan Just because you haven’t seen them personally doesn’t mean they aren’t there. The folks at TAPIR are still reporting a plagiarist who took stories from a person’s private site and posted them on ff.net without permission. Problem? The stories are written in Bahasa, which is spoken in Indonesia. All reports to Xing and co. have to be in English, which puts these authors at a severed disadvantage. There are stories from fictionpress that are plagiarized and the names changed to fit a fandom. People with accounts on livejournal or other journaling sites have been plagiarized (and vice versa)

         
    • yemi hikari

      10/03/2013 at 1:58 pm

      To put it briefly, the original plot line someone else came up with is their idea. Making minor changes (which is what most people’s ideas are) doesn’t make it a new idea. You have to make drastic changes and yet not have it so that it is no longer identifiable as the fandom. It’s why writing an AU is harder then writing a non-AU.

       
  44. BethanForever

    10/03/2013 at 12:58 am

    And that’s why I don’t write stories from book series. That’s why I stick to TV shows. You can get in a lot of trouble just for writing stories about the books like Harry being a girl or Percy being a girl it’s still copying.

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/03/2013 at 1:23 am

      See above. It’s not restricted to books. Copyright infringement, as I said to you earlier, spans many, many, many fandoms.

       
      • BethanForever

        10/03/2013 at 1:43 am

        Yes I know. I never really remembered seeing any copyright stories on my fandom. That’s I only stay on one fandom.

         
      • Lillian

        10/03/2013 at 12:01 pm

        If I recall correctly there is this series of fics called Characters Watch a Movie.

        Plagiarism is not the only problem FF has. You also have the MA troops, and the Second Person stories, the other MST stories (the ones where characters read another persons fanfiction.).. etc. The list goes on and on and on.. That’s why groups such as CU, LU, and Eliminator exist.

         
  45. Nessa

    10/03/2013 at 1:31 am

    I hope you don’t mind me asking, but is the hybrid filter system coming along? I haven’t seen an update for it, although you have been busy so that’s understandable. I was hoping to see an update for it. :)

     
    • Lillian

      10/03/2013 at 11:58 am

      I think it is best if they put the hybrid filter aside until they resolve their report system issue first. We really need that new report system.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/03/2013 at 1:51 pm

        Agreed. It’s pretty bad when people come here trying to defend rule breakers.

         
      • Guest

        10/03/2013 at 1:56 pm

        I think there’s an easier answer than creating a new report system. For one week or two allow no new submissions to the site and have all staff go through all the old reports. Also block all new reports during this time. I suspect the problem is volume and the fact that the mods got backed up while the focus was on upgrading the site combined with groups organizing to make hundreds of reports a day. So put a halt to everything to so the problem doesn’t keep getting bigger while they deal with what is already on site.

        Sure people would be furious, sure some would leave but it would mostly be the people causing the problems in the first place. Legitimate authors would be willing to write for a couple weeks without posting if it meant the archives were cleaned out.

        Please, XIng, we want this abuse situation to be addressed so if you make some comment on the issue it would be appreciated.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 2:09 pm

        Upgrade does not account for an entire year of no response to reports.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/03/2013 at 9:41 pm

        @ Guest – Your solution includes blocking new reports until they get finished with the old ones? Yeah… I honestly don’t see that as being helpful.

        What too is the point of disallowing people to update their stories or review? You say a lot of people would be furious and that a lot of people would leave and that mostly it would be the people causing the problems in the first place but in reality it would also include a lot of people who aren’t causing problems. What you’re suggesting is bad business all around not to mention you don’t understand how much the site is used, nor how much ad revenue said site would lose.

        I think the problem is in the report system itself and I’m quite sure that there is no way for the site admins to sort through reports with the current system. If they can organize reports via type as well as… well, other things… then it would be easier all around. That’s actually one of the updates I was expecting.

         
      • Nessa

        10/05/2013 at 1:07 am

        I’m sorry. I was just wanting to know if there were any updates on the hybrid system. I’m really looking forward to seeing it become active. I’m sorry. :(

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/05/2013 at 1:25 am

        Nessa – you are well within rights to ask about something that they did tell you they would be working on. Lillian was only trying to point out that they might be focusing on something else at the moment.

        We do need something in place to increase efficacy, and I do have to agree that the issues being reported (and now being resolved) would be something I would personally focus on more than the filters.

        Having said that, however, I can certainly understand that you would want to know about a feature that they told you a few months back that they were working on implementing. Perhaps on their next update they can address both items.

         
  46. Ally

    10/03/2013 at 3:55 am

    Dear fanfiction admins, please please pretty please add kamisama no inai nichiyoubi to the list of fanfiction categories.

    Thank you! :)

     
  47. The Warty Hogg

    10/03/2013 at 2:09 pm

    I am happy to report that some of the copyright infringement cases are gone! Whether the admins got them or the author’s finally grasped that what they were doing really was against the posting guidelines and international law or what but yay!
    If you copy it, you are transcribing, not writing. And if you are not writing, you are probably breaking the law.
    It’s really, really easy and simple. YOUR ORIGINAL WORDS can be used. SOMEBODY ELSE’S WORDS cannot be used.
    I have no idea why people find that so difficult to grasp.

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/03/2013 at 2:10 pm

      Yes, THANK YOU for removing several of the copyright infringing stories!

       
      • Lillian

        10/03/2013 at 4:14 pm

        Good job admins, now get to the other several thousand cases, and to the other reports on the other site rules that haven been broken (XTheSonofHadesX just updated, still with smut in their fics, and they plan on posting more.).

        Also, anyone else noticed that these Characters Reading Fanfiction is rising.. More MST.. great.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 4:36 pm

        Yes, I have. In fact, the post is still “awaiting moderation” but there were two more uploaded into HP just today. Already e-mailed and reported as well on those. One of them didn’t even bother with a disclaimer.

         
      • tiquatue

        10/03/2013 at 7:17 pm

        I don’t know if they got a legal notice from an author’s representative or have been basically shamed into doing it, but I’m glad they are. Now, they need to keep that up.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 8:34 pm

        Another brand new one that is infringing on Fox’s rights by using the script of Anastasia verbatim:

        http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9735410/1/Anastasia-Harry-Potter-version

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 8:39 pm

         
      • Sparrow9612

        10/03/2013 at 9:26 pm

        The title of that fanfic also comes from something copyrighted: Paradise by the Dashboard Light is a song by Meat Loaf. I’m no expert on the law, so i don’t know if any are being broken there.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/03/2013 at 9:28 pm

        I’ve actually noticed over the last couple of days that the C2s for RTB have been emptying ever so slowly.

         
      • Spyridon

        10/03/2013 at 10:22 pm

        You know, I can’t believe some actually made a community about it. Isn’t that just making it easier for the admins to go through the pages and remove the ones breaking the copyright?

        RTB Community

        That’s probably one out of many. Do you think they are doing a silent purge of the site?

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/03/2013 at 10:46 pm

        Spyridon, I’m not complaining! If it makes their job easier in deleting stories that infringe on copyright, great!

         
      • Spyridon

        10/04/2013 at 1:38 am

        @Rogue: there are approximately 300 communities that be centered around Read the Book genres in various fandoms. I think that would be a good place to start if you want to get rid of a good chunk of those violations.

        I’ve been wondering; when they delete a profile due to some violation, they should put like a warning to all violators. Such as, this author was banned to copyright infringement/plagiarism/etc. It could just to show that despite what violators think, FFN will ban you.

        When they eventually get to it.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/04/2013 at 11:22 am

        Spyridon, I understand what you’re saying, but the likelihood that someone who is intending to post material infringing on someone’s copyright would see the profile and take note is slim unless the site were to include a permanent fixture on the front page that linked to a list of users whose accounts had been deleted for such theft.

        Of course, as we all know, these thieves don’t read what the site posts in front of them to begin with, because nary a one has read the TOS or the Guidelines. Or if they have, they simply don’t care.

        Hopefully, with the removal of the material, and as long as monitoring for new uploads is maintained, the message will be made clear without having to ban. The problem is removing it – there’s such a massive amount, and it’s spread across so many fandoms… but they have to start somewhere, and RTBs are an excellent place, IMO. I’m very glad that they are taking action on this.

         
      • Spyridon

        10/04/2013 at 3:50 pm

        @Rogue: You mean like a update status on admins removing violators on the homepage? That would be cool. Something like violators removed in the past 24 hours: story id: 123456 for copyright infringement, user id: 12345678 for plagiarism, etc.

        It could at least help against those that claim that FFN does nothing to remove stories that break TOS. I know of one person who said he’ll never post anything on FFN since they don’t do anything about plagiarizers and he doesn’t want to get his story plagiarized. Of course, I don’t want to point out that his story on that site can still get plagiarized . . .

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/04/2013 at 5:32 pm

        Yeah, that would not be something that I would want to point out since he’s apparently oblivious. ;)

        If you want to point out to him someone who grabbed stuff from all over the web and posted it on FFN, though, there’s an excellent example in my profile – Broken Promises 22. She gets to stay there, too. She has numerous entries on my LJ where I catalogued all the information for the reports on her. Contacted over 100 authors whose works she stole.

        I do think that if they posted an update of that kind that would be wonderful, but I still don’t think that those intending to engage in theft would read it, unfortunately.

        It took us around 60 days about two years ago to get a blatant MA plagiarised story down. The author never posted it on FFN because of the fact that the MA material is prohibited. But one of the readers said, and I quote, “If you won’t post it on the largest fanfiction site in the world, then I will post it for you.”

        Ever wanted someone to walk away from fanfiction cold, that’s a good way to drive an author out of it.

        You are right though – even if the rule breakers didn’t read it, it would certainly go a long way towards letting users not intent on breaking the rules (and law) who don’t come to the blog see that there is action being taken, and what it’s being taken against.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/04/2013 at 6:29 pm

        The author never posted it on FFN because of the fact that the MA material is prohibited. But one of the readers said, and I quote, “If you won’t post it on the largest fanfiction site in the world, then I will post it for you.”

        I’ve heard about that occuring.

         
  48. knotothedrk

    10/03/2013 at 4:37 pm

    If I may… while smut isn’t exactly a good thing, how about we worry about one issue at a time…copyrights should come first… then the CRB’s and MST’s….then after that, we can worry about the smut… unless the smut in question is completely and utterly unethical… i think that’s the least of our worries…

     
    • cmcwiki

      10/03/2013 at 4:43 pm

      Yeah, anything that isn’t graphic rape of an infant can wait. If its just a lemon fic/ lemon oneshot between teens or above, take note of it for later, Lets take care of these copyright stories first (though knot, CRB MST and copyrights are the same thing)

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/03/2013 at 4:52 pm

        I’m aware… but there are more blatant infringements and since I don’t see any CRB’s or MST’s in the fandoms I read, I was labeling them separate considering that i consider them separate things… I do realize it’s the same thing…

         
      • Lillian

        10/03/2013 at 5:36 pm

        MST is the same everywhere. It can be another person fanfiction or a copyrighted work, both are not allowed. Basically, if you see anyone in your fandom with a work titled “The characters read fanfics” it is no doubt MST.

        However, copyright infringement isn’t the only thing that can get the site shut down. The MA stuff (yes, the porn can be something that gets the site shut down) and you also have users using real people in their works, which is another lawsuit waiting to happen.

        So those three rules should be the top targets, since they have the immediate threat to the site, then the chat/script and interactive stuff, and etc.

         
      • cmcwiki

        10/03/2013 at 5:44 pm

        While the porn is forbidden regardless. I don’t think anyone would be sued for that stuff in the anime/manga sections. H-Doujinishi and all that are published,

         
      • Lillian

        10/03/2013 at 6:38 pm

        Lol, you don’t believe someone can be sued for porn? Let’s take a look at basic lemons of fanfics that have the second person narrative in it. If a child were to read that, and a parent caught that child doing so, it could then become a problem for the site admins because then there would be a lawsuit.

        Most states have laws that prohibit the distribution of sexually-explicit
        material to underage people. In California, for instance, it is a crime to
        distribute material “to a minor with the intent of arousing, appealing to, or
        gratifying the lust or passions or sexual desires of that person or of a
        minor…”

        So yes, someone could get into some major trouble for the MA stuff here.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/03/2013 at 9:25 pm

        @ Lillian – I think they’re thinking along the lines that the publishers of Anime and Manga have no problem with hentai Doujinshi so they figure they won’t sue people when it comes to them writing fanfic containing porn. Which isn’t an incorrect assumption. Thing is they forget is that’s not the only people who would sue over MA content or could.

         
    • Lillian

      10/03/2013 at 10:06 pm

      True they do seem to forget that not every mangaka is as comfortable with it as they so believe.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/03/2013 at 10:48 pm

        That, and parents who are fine with their kids reading M rated material only to find MA stuffed in.

         
  49. Lynn Hollander

    10/03/2013 at 6:29 pm

    My Beta profile link sometimes appears on my bio page and sometimes does not. Changes in beta profile and beta preferences, however thoroughly saved, sometimes fail to engage.

     
    • Lynn Hollander

      10/04/2013 at 11:36 am

      The link has been up for about ten hours now. I’ll assume it’s fixed.

       
  50. knotothedrk

    10/03/2013 at 11:21 pm

    Well… not that I won’t say that kids can be devious and cause all sorts of trouble… but that really is the parent’s job,…not ours… it’s not ours to baby sit what their kids read, or do not read… at 14 I was reading all sort of adult books, mostly Stephen King and Dean Koontz…with the occasional S.D Perry novel tossed in…but only after my parents deemed it alright for me to do so…

    I’ve always believed it’s a parent’s job to parent their child… and a 16 year old is young and impressionable…at that age where they want to look at that kind a thing… it’s a parent job to be sure that the “impressions” are positive ones in their teen’s life, not negative…and that means stopping their child from making poor choices..

    M rated works are sadly idealistic at best… it is a fluid thing, even if people say it’s straight forward, it isn’t because each family will deem different things appropriate…and I’m not just talking about sex… I’m talking religious subject matter either… .for example I once had an angry parent rage at me purely because I was gay, and apparently I turned their child gay by posting fiction about women who love each other…

    Funny thing about that… the anime I’d posted under was a Yuri one…so yeah, surely it will be about two women… /sigh…

    In any case that’s why I always say…M rating…well, any rating really… is a fluid thing…some families and ideals are stricter than others… truly that’s a risk people run with posting fiction, M rated or not…

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/03/2013 at 11:56 pm

      Sorry, but no. This is not about kids being devious or parents not doing their job. The M rating is for sixteen and up which means that kids who are sixteen and seventeen are allowed to read it. Some parents let their fourteen to fifteen year old kids read M rated material. It’s not the parents or the kids fault that someone is shoving MA material into the M category.

      Mind you, I’m sorry you had a parent get upset with you like that but we’re talking two very separate issues here. The parent in your scenario wouldn’t be able to even get her case into court for hearing as no lawyer would take it up. When it comes to the MA material a lawyer is likely to take it up because there are laws involved.

       

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