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Oct/15th @1AM US PST (GMT -7:00) Scheduled Maintenance

14 Oct

On Oct/15th @1AM US PST (GMT -7:00) time we will have a short period of down-time for the login area lasting ~10 minutes for scheduled maintenance.

 
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299 responses to “Oct/15th @1AM US PST (GMT -7:00) Scheduled Maintenance

  1. fems

    10/14/2013 at 10:02 am

    “On Oct/13th @1AM US PST (GMT -7:00) time we will have a short period of down-time for the login area lasting ~10 minutes for scheduled maintenance.”

    Uh, October 13th was yesterday. Might want to double-check what you wrote prior to actually posting it.

     
    • Birdymain

      10/14/2013 at 1:20 pm

      Lol, can always expect nitpicking on a writing site. XD

       
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:39 pm

      You always have something up your ass? Or you put it there when you come here?

       
    • femina

      10/17/2013 at 1:31 pm

      hello im a huge fan of fan fic im just haveing issues with the highlighting of storys i listin to em while im at work sooooo ummmm im just wondering if someone could help me out here and soo on i had my computers and ipads checked so it aint them im just wondering plz plz plz help so i ko its quit with out them

       
  2. Lynn Hollander

    10/14/2013 at 10:11 am

    But the main title has the 15th. I knew what they meant, I think most people will.

     
    • fems

      10/14/2013 at 10:56 am

      Still looked stupid, though. At least it’s fixed now.

      I wonder if this means we can expect the nocopy disabled thingy and/or the next part of the pairing mode soon too, considering the last scheduled maintenance was followed by new updates relatively quick.

       
      • Lynn Hollander

        10/14/2013 at 11:44 am

        Even Jove nods.

         
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:56 pm

      Fems is not most people. Fems needs very detailed instructions, or they don’t understand anything.

       
  3. Trudes193

    10/14/2013 at 10:33 am

    Will this be sorting out the nocopy situation?

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/14/2013 at 1:18 pm

      I hope so.

       
  4. OkagetheShadowKing

    10/14/2013 at 11:55 am

    Picture avatars are now missing from stories.

     
  5. Birdymain

    10/14/2013 at 1:10 pm

    It’s like he’s adverse to striking up a conversation. It’s not like anyone here is going to flame him for talking it out.

    I do hope you are fixing the nocopy to turn it off by default.

     
    • konarciq

      10/14/2013 at 3:32 pm

      Yeah, it’d be nice if he gave us a little explanation of things, or said *something* in reaction to the storm of criticism on the latest updates…

       
      • cathy massey

        10/14/2013 at 4:31 pm

        Such as an explanation of why the story counts had to be replaced with rounded-off numbers, and how to best use this new improvement.

        And why the sort by ‘all’ alphabetically option on the main category pages had to first be shifted from default to option to deactivated altogether.

        (I swear my heart skipped a beat yesterday when even the single-letter sort feature quit for a while. There was a 50-or-so year old TV show I wanted to look for a few stories for, and I had no idea whatever if it was even represented here, much less how many stories it might have. When I next checked, a couple of hours later, it worked again.)

        And, of course, the big one for so many people – the “NOCOPY” thing.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 9:01 am

        It would be nice if we writers/readers could gather our thoughts on this matter collectively as well. I’m trying to get group going that will do just that, and the only way it will be effective is with participation…that’s were we come in…I can’t promise results, but I can hope that we as fans would want to give this a good, honest, try.

        http://www.fanfiction.net/forum/FanpollsData/142637/

        Our Mission:

        To gather together as a community, united by the hope to better the website we so love. With the goal of gathering concise data, in which to present to the admins of this site, we will strive to have our voices heard in a clear, and appropriate manner. This is a community founded by fans, for fans to speak freely of their concerns. As such, we will try to maintain as respectful of an environment possible, to ensure all of the topics brought up will be dealt with to the best of our abilities as fans.

        We’ve no doubts that this will not be an easy task, and we don’t declare to move mountains. Regardless, It would be nice, to have clear and concise emails sent with proper stats to back up the claims…I know it won’t speak for the entire site…but if the admins know that the users have a truly valid concern, backed up with evidence, then we may be more likely to see a positive outcome.

        So, while it’s true we may not make huge, or drastic changes, we have no idea what can be accomplished until we give it an honest try…

         
  6. fems

    10/14/2013 at 4:31 pm

    Holy crap! I don’t know why you felt the need to add a “like this” button for every comment, but it goes crazy when you try to open the blog! In this entry it was only 2 or 3 seconds of feeling like I was trying to read in a car that was driving over rough terrain, but the previous blog entries that have pages of comments are a nightmare! For a minute there I feared I was having a seizure of some kind! Please, fix it or remove the unnecessary button!

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/14/2013 at 5:13 pm

      Yes, instead of a like button for the blog, why don’t you handle issues like this:
      http://www.fanfiction.net/u/4348785/Perseus-Lord-Pegasus who has decided to rip off Rick Riordan by posting his entire new novel on the site.

       
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/14/2013 at 6:08 pm

        Thank you for removing the like button. Please remove the blatant copyright infringement – it’s on his profile twice.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/14/2013 at 7:17 pm

        Whoa, that’s a new one, planning to upload all the books. You’d think FANfiction would be self explanatory. I would hope the books get taken off and the account banned.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 4:18 am

        I think it’s weird that something that serious and reported is still up.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/15/2013 at 8:37 am

        You and I both. I’ve sent two e-mails on it (12 hours apart), reported it numerous times via report function, and posted it here.

        User took the time to post a note in his profile but did not remove the postings of copyrighted material. Contrition rings false when you leave the offending material; yet that is irrelevant in the face of administration leaving it up.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 1:49 pm

        I just got curious on the sites that mostly offline users to download fics for reading. Seems Flagfic is claiming that they are deliberately blocking the site from fetching stories, and ignoring emails for an explanation.

        Is this really your policy Xing? Ignore it all if it doesn’t fall into your little bubble? I know you can comment, there’s no need to hide behind the screen.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 1:59 pm

        O.o Well that’s certainly weird. I hit reply at the bottom.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 2:02 pm

        @Rogue Mudblood
        I sent a report and email. I don’t think they are looking at any of the reports.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/15/2013 at 2:45 pm

        @Birdymain – I’ve gotten that impression myself.

        Leaving Riordan’s entire novel on the site for free is just about as smart as repeatedly running into a closed door full tilt.

         
      • The Warty Hogg

        10/15/2013 at 3:14 pm

        I have been reporting it regularly myself. I am considering sending my resume to Xing and offering to work for free a few hours a day to respond to abuse reports. I can practically hear the lawyers salivating over a person posting a copyrighted novel with the express intention to deny income to an author he claims to ‘admire.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 4:22 pm

        Huh, think there’s a protest with the admin’s? It’s not a bad idea to have some of the users of FF.net join the admin’s even if it is just processing reports.

         
      • guest

        10/15/2013 at 5:41 pm

        house of hades has been deleted. have been reporting that since i saw your comment yesterday. one less issue we need to deal with.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/15/2013 at 6:43 pm

        guest – thank you! Yes, I’ve been going back through my lists, and they’ve processed a good number of them out now.

        Thank you, Xing and Zack! I apprecaite it very much when you process the reports.

         
      • Anna

        10/16/2013 at 2:47 pm

        It seems to me the only time they delete stories is when they introduce big new features that take up server space, so obviously deleting the stories frees that up. It’s laughably obvious They did it last year not long before and briefly during the introduction of Story Covers. Now they’re doing it with this pairing feature and the “no copy” nonsense.

        Only when it’s convenient for them. Why have rules the rest of the time when they only enforce them once in a while when it suits their whim of an agenda?

         
      • Birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 2:48 pm

        Not to burst a bubble. But wouldn’t’ the account be banned if they had deleted the story themselves?

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/16/2013 at 6:49 pm

        It can take time for the accounts to disappear. Sometimes they give second chances. The girl who spouted off the nonsense about how she had permission? It was actually her second strike.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/16/2013 at 7:43 pm

        Can point to at least 50 accounts recently that have not been removed for copyright infringement. Some of them have repeatedly stolen from published authors, after deletion of the infringing material, yet their accounts remain.

        Think they may not be deleting accounts in an effort to appear “benevolent” given the amount of this that exists on site.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/18/2013 at 1:21 am

        Not deleting the accounts only shows poor decision. When dealing with copyrighting they really should have a strict policy on it.

         
  7. Just Because

    10/14/2013 at 4:48 pm

    I’m having trouble deleting my story. Is it due to the maintenance? (and if no one is having this problem, then it’s probably -most likely- just me)

     
  8. konarciq

    10/14/2013 at 4:49 pm

    Xing, we really don’t need this like button. Can you please get on with the more important stuff, like removing the no-highlight/no-copy script?

    Or give us some explanation for the odd choices you’ve been making this week?

    Or in general: fix things that you’ve got nothing but complaints about?

    Or even more in general: finish a feature before implementing it?

    Sorry, but this is getting plain silly…

     
    • Jordan

      10/15/2013 at 1:43 pm

      I was just about to report that no-copy script, glad I checked here first. That is the single most annoying thing I’ve come across in ages. I regularly grab funny bits and pieces from stories I’m reading as a way to convince my friends to read them, and now I can’t do that. Not to mention when wanting to include a paragraph or something in a review. Really hope that gets removed soon.

       
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 2:05 pm

        It’s most likely not going to be removed, they think it stops plagiarism. >.< Hopefully they have it turned off by default so that those who want to remove the ability to highlight their stories can go turn it on.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 4:37 pm

        As if. Of course, if some people want the false sense of security let them go and turn it on. Don’t make it on by default. What’s going to happen though is the people who turn it off are going to find themselves to be major targets in some way or another because they’ll have made it clear that they have a particular phobia.

         
      • Jordan

        10/15/2013 at 4:52 pm

        I guess I’m going to reply to myself, since I can’t reply to 3rd-level replies (there’s no reply button…).

        @Birdymain: I wasn’t even aware that plagiarism was such a big problem on FF to begin with. And even so, it just doesn’t make much sense. This is probably rehashing the most common and sensible argument, but this isn’t going to stop the people who actually go through the effort of stealing someone else’s work. It’s like most DRM styles: almost completely useless against those who would break it anyway, and a pain in the ass to the regular user.

        I can’t even imagine how pissed off I’d have been if this happened a few years ago. I used to copy/paste chapters to a word doc so I could mess with the fonts/indenting and then print them out and read them while I traveled.

        I’m not going to rage and bash, that’s pointless and less than helpful (and they’ve been pretty good about responding to real issues in the past). I just don’t see how this could possibly be a good solution, especially to something that (unless I’m really missing something) hasn’t been a huge issue to begin with.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 5:00 pm

        I know, they’ve been responsive with problems before. But it’s been 5 blogs since they’ve put it up, with 939 comments made in all the blogs.

        They are ignoring us.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/15/2013 at 9:54 pm

        Jordan, I can confirm 74 account removals for plagiarism since the beginning of July 2013. That’s just what I can confirm myself, having verified that they were removed. That is an insane amount of theft. I assure you, there is a good deal more that has not yet been dealt with.

         
      • Jordan

        10/17/2013 at 1:44 pm

        @Rogue: That’s insane. What’s the point of it? They make no money, any reviews they get aren’t about their own work… I just don’t get it. And while I sympathize, I remain behind my assertion that the people who do that are most likely to go through the effort of getting past the no-copy script.

         
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:40 pm

      If you don’t like this website, leave. No one’s stopping you.

       
  9. Winterbornbree

    10/14/2013 at 6:35 pm

    Xing, can I ask something?
    Can you at least give us a reason for your (and the other admins!) less than logical decisions?

    First, wherever it is, please put the option for the copy/paste back on. It’s doing a lot more harm than good; it makes it harder to review if we want to quote and it makes it harder to do reports (not that you actually give it more than a glance).

    Second, can you start devoting a day in the week to do reports? Or hire more admins to do it? Or even better, making a more efficient version of the report system? There are so many authors getting away with breaking the rules and putting the site at risk of getting sued.

    Lastly, take off the rounded numbers in the fandom search. I can assume that it’s to make the site look neat, but it is supremely annoying and an inconvenience for some of us.

     
    • Sparrow9612

      10/15/2013 at 2:31 am

      To add my own two cents, I would also like the alphabetical order option to be restored as well. Some sections do not have it while some do.

       
      • cathy massey

        10/15/2013 at 7:33 pm

        Amen to that. I’ve been lobbying for that since this chain of site revisions started. I’ve finally given up on looking for new fandoms to test out.

         
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:41 pm

      Could you tell me why you haven’t created your own website to compete with this one?

      What’s wrong? Mom and dad don’t have enough money to pay for the servers?

       
      • Sparrow9612

        10/16/2013 at 5:19 am

        Nobody likes a jerkass, so if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

         
  10. Birdymain

    10/14/2013 at 7:14 pm

    Very nice, no more jumping words. So it’s obvious they’re reading the comments in the blog. Cat got the tongue? Or would fingers be more appropriate. . .

     
    • Winterbornbree

      10/14/2013 at 9:17 pm

      Wait, what?

       
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/14/2013 at 10:33 pm

        They had enabled a “like” button earlier today and it made the posts load slowly and the words appeared to “jump” as a result. Bit spastic, and should have come with a seizure warning.

         
  11. Trudes193

    10/15/2013 at 5:21 am

    Is nocopy ever going to be fixed, or are we all going to be punished for the morons that do plagiarize? I think this is more important than the couples feature, people use the hightlighting feature for more than plagiarizing, how long are we going to have to complain before this is actually fixed?

     
  12. konarciq

    10/15/2013 at 7:06 am

    Thank you for removing the like button. Glad to see you *are* listening…

     
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:43 pm

      Yeah, that should stroke your poor little ego, right?

      It’s always easy to bitch about things, and not constructively propose alternatives.

       
  13. Isame Kuroda

    10/15/2013 at 9:03 am

    Now, please return the highlight/copy/paste feature to where it belong.

     
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:43 pm

      Why don’t you go code your own website?

      Oh, yeah. That takes knowledge and money. Things you lack.

       
      • hpstar202

        10/16/2013 at 1:31 am

        Are you just trying to be rude.

         
      • Winterbornbree

        10/16/2013 at 9:52 pm

        Ah, thread trolls, they are just so helpful and pleasant to be around…
        Jk. Seriously? Stay out of the blog if you don’t have anything constructive to say or feel like wasting time harassing others.

         
  14. Lynn Hollander

    10/15/2013 at 11:34 am

    There is one improvement you could consider: Paragraph indents. This is the norm in hardcopy publishing. I find the solid left margin very amateurish in appearance.
    Other sites with simple pasteable paragraph indents include Elfwood, Booksie, and SparkaTale. The text is written in Open Office or in Word and the results are pleasing. I have not viewed any kindle books, but in ‘writing for kindle’ there is a method for formatting paragraphs to include indent.
    For those authors who do not indent in the original text, the text would continue with straight left margins.
    Thank you for your time.

     
    • bienfait

      10/15/2013 at 2:52 pm

      As long as indenting was optional (I think onscreen it’s ugly, and wouldn’t use it – don’t care what hardcopy publishing does) I would be happy to support the option.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 4:35 pm

        That’s why the standard for the net is to use no indentation. Indentation loses its aesthetic charm that it has in hard printing once it goes online unless of course you’re talking hard copies of the older works in the Gutenberg archives.

         
    • yemi hikari

      10/15/2013 at 4:33 pm

      Sorry, but no. I’ve already told you that not indenting works that are published to the net is the proper publishing etiquette. Those three sites you point out that break the norm are actually site I would not recommend using either. I’m also going to point out that e-books does not equate publishing on the net either. The reason not indenting bothers you is because you’re used to old school publishing where there was the strict standard of ALWAYS publishing with an indent and it was drilled into our heads in school. This standard was set in place long before the net got going and now there is a lot more leeway.

       
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:46 pm

      You can achieve this with a little Stylish “coding” (actually CSS).

      p { margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; text-indent: 15px; }

       
      • Lynn Hollander

        10/15/2013 at 7:54 pm

        Have you tried this on FP?

         
  15. William Díaz

    10/15/2013 at 12:34 pm

    por favor que sea por el COPY

     
  16. Lillian

    10/15/2013 at 1:24 pm

    I don’t see why people are complaining about the ‘no copy’ stuff. I don’t mind it, and I hardly even noticed it. If people wanted to copy, they could do so without it needing to be enabled. Though I won’t deny, given the little bits of information on how to avoid it, that it is rather pointless to have.

    What we need now is a new report system. Come on admins, get on it!

     
    • Birdymain

      10/15/2013 at 1:33 pm

      saying nocopy is kind of misleading. It’s the highlighting function. It’s actually very important. People use it to run their reading programs, specifically the blind and dyslexic. More than a few use highlighting to keep their place. You have to copy text in order to report a story. People use it in reviews. There are those who don’t have internet all the time, so they copy the page down to read off oline and delete it afterwards.

      YOU many not notice the impact, but a good chunk of others do. Nocopy should be turned off by default so that those who want it on can turn it on.

       
      • Happy

        10/15/2013 at 1:50 pm

        There’s really no reason to use it in reviews. An author remembers what she wrote. This might actually help people improve their reviewing skills instead of regurgitating chunks of the text. People can look at professional book reviews for an example of how to give feedback without being redundant.

        I’ve reported stories without the copy & paste. All you need are the links. None of my reports were ever ignored, so I think the admins prefer that you keep it simple.

        People do use highlighting to keep their place, but that’s not really a catastrophe. You can easily find your place again by eyeballing it.

        Nocopy should be kept enabled.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 1:57 pm

        Aww, I see you skipped over one in trying to sound smart. :) Highlighting is used for reading programs for the blind and dyslexic. That should be the reason to have nocopy disabled by default, there is only a small number of you who actually care and mistakenly think that nocopy stops plagiarism. I found a couple ways around the new script already. Nocopy is going to spot noone.

        *And highlighting to keep your place. I’m glad you have a normal functioning brain that doesn’t jumble the words. Dyslexic’s who can read without a reading program us it so that the words don’t jumble. Single focus on a word or sentence.

        **This is all from the last several days of people pointing out the flaws and how it affects others.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/15/2013 at 2:43 pm

        @Happy, as yemi quoted before, so shall I now:

        If this story has violated any rules, please report it via the form below using english only. Include snippets of the story to support your case.

        That’s from the report form. That’s why we include it. Because they tell us to. If they didn’t want it, they would remove that from the report form, I should think.

        Nocopy is a useless and ineffective measure and, as Birdymain has pointed out, as numerous users who are disabled have pointed out, it prevents those who actually require the use of programs in order to read the stories on site from using the site.

        It is discrimination against a specific group of individuals – those being disabled persons – keeping this “feature” enabled.

         
      • fems

        10/15/2013 at 3:10 pm

        @ Happy

        As an author, I can tell you that I don’t always remember what I wrote. It’s hard to recall sometimes if you have 20-50 chapters of ~6K each, especially if the reviewer is vague in their reference, their English leaves something to be desired, they used slang or chat/text speak, and they submit it months or even years after the story was completed.

        In general, I tend to look up the story and will reread every chapter they reviewed if the review is content/plot-specific, but sometimes it helps if they actually quote what they’re referring to. This is even more important if they point out typos, spelling/grammar/punctuation mistakes or a sentence which is unclear/puzzling to them.

        All that and highlighting the text to keep your place aside, though, I’d say it’s pretty important for the visually impaired and dyslexic folks to be able to use their (often expensive) reading programs properly.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 4:19 pm

        @ happy – I personally struggle with grammar issues. I’ve had one person be very vague about what I was doing wrong grammar wise only to find out they were wrong. I’ve had people point out that I replaced “their” for “there” and thankfully this rarely occurs in my newer stuff because people pointed it out. The best grammar reviews are the ones though that quote the exact line because I can just do a find and replace in my word document to correct the mistake rather then having to dig through my own work.

        There are also times I’ve personally come across some really bad stories and I’ve had to copy the entire story into a word document to pull it apart piece by piece to make sure I got everything that I felt needed to be said and so that my review ended up being far better organized then their story.

        Last… the feature does not prevent plagiarism.

         
      • fems

        10/15/2013 at 5:34 pm

        @yemi

        Just an FYI: you’ve got your/you’re and then/than grammar issues too from what I’ve seen here on the blogs.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 6:01 pm

        Thanks. Those I’m still working on.

         
    • Lillian

      10/15/2013 at 3:48 pm

      No, no copy should be left up. As other people have pointed out, Yemi included, there are ways around the copy n paste problem. If highlighting is the real main issue with this new feature, then it is a simple matter of just enabling it, and only it (copy n paste can still stay off) back. Or they could come up with another font that would be easier for the blind and dyslexic.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 4:11 pm

        Yes. I and others have pointed out the fact that people can disable the nocopy and there are ways around it. However those who are using the site within fair use should not have to circumvent it. Not to mention the site admins have this posted in the TOS.

        E. You agree not to circumvent, disable or otherwise interfere with security-related features of the FanFiction.Net Website or features that prevent or restrict use or copying of any Content or enforce limitations on use of the FanFiction.Net Website or the Content therein.

        On top of this Lillian… the fact you suggest that another font would solve the problem for the blind and the dyslexic shows how much you don’t know. Changing the font will not help someone with dyslexia when they need to highlight parts of the text.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 4:12 pm

        Lol, you’re not understanding. The nocopy script is suppose to be disabled and enabled by authors for their stories.

        The minority want’s the nocopy. It should be turned off by default.

        I’m going to take a guess and point out it’s not going to be taken off. That’s why the argument is having it turned off instead of on by default. Allowing most of the stories on FF.net to be highlighted.

         
      • Lillian

        10/15/2013 at 4:36 pm

        And as I pointed out, Yemi, the admins can just as easily turn on the highlighting without enabling copying n pasting. It is a simple matter of CSS. As for your under-toned insult, I don’t really care if a person is dyslexic or not, that does not give them an excuse to be treated differently than other people. Yes, it has now become harder for them to read, but they should see this as a advantage on upgrading their reading levels, not to whine and complain like seven year olds. Bella Thorn, a dyslexic, managed to over come her disability to read at a higher level then those in her grade class.

        Not only that, but it seems you wish to be a little ignorant in thinking. A new font where one can place there mouse over a word, or sentence, that instantly highlights it can be very useful. They already applied this in the new Language feature on the site, so it shouldn’t be too much of a problem for them to do so in a font that one can choose.

        As for the blind, I wouldn’t know how a blind person can read a computer screen without feeling for the dots. So highlighting for them isn’t really a problem, especially since someone can just read for them. Maybe creating an audio feature for them might work better, but there are too many people who would abuse that. So I vote against that idea.

        Really, Yemi, just because not everyone is worried about this doesn’t mean you should try to under-tone insult them.

         
      • Trudes193

        10/15/2013 at 4:46 pm

        I kind of disagree, since the programs like me for instance has a dictionary, and other kinds of programs that help people understand. It’s not just a case of reading with dyslexia, there are other problems too, like for me understanding a sentence properly because it doesn’t make sense in my own head when I read it, there are people that see words backwards, or the words are blurred together. Changing the font won’t help, though that was kind of a good suggestion. But it is better if people can just highlight the text, and let the program do it’s work, that doesn’t make them lazy either, I read along with the words as it helps me pronounce words I cannot say.

        I hope this doesn’t sound rude, but I just wanted to explain a few things.

         
      • Trudes193

        10/15/2013 at 4:54 pm

        I’ve also been using the program to help compose these message, does that mean they should stop highlighting on here too?

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 4:39 pm

        *facepalm*

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 4:55 pm

        @Lillian

        Wait. “especially since someone can just read for them”
        D=
        I’m not going for a “under-toned insult” so. Are you stupid? You point out dyslexic people can be independent and then insult blind people by saying they can’t be.

        You should look up your facts or actually read what people post before commenting with idiocy. BLIND people use a voice recognition program in order to navigate the computer, that includes have the computer read it for them. Which means they need to be able to highlight text.

        I really can’t get over that. >.< You should take a look at the last few days of blogs, you'll find about 5 or 6 people who actually agree with the nocopy and a huge number who have legitimate problems with it.

        The report systems REQUIRES you to copy and paste text.

         
      • Lillian

        10/15/2013 at 5:03 pm

        Trudes, I just said they should be able to enable highlighting without enabling the copying n paste. I also pointed out that the new font should be able to highlight the sentence your mouse is placed on, like it does with the new Language feature (of course they could add method of explaining the sentence just as they show the original text in a box when you do highlight).

        Birdy Main, I didn’t forget you, but really you should learn to PAY ATTENTION to what the admins tell you. In the Pairing Feature post, under the first bit announcing the new feature, they tell you that the ability to disable and enable will be added in due time. You know you are going to get it, so whining about it isn’t working when they already said they will get to it.

        Right now, what they really should be working on is a new report system, since that is where the major issue should lie.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 5:08 pm

        @Lillian

        Read it yourself.

        “Basic copy protection of story content within modern browsers. Currently it is enabled for all but authors will be able to disable/enable this feature in a coming update.”

        Which means they are going to leave it on and make authors disable it. It’s not whining when we’ve been asking for some explanation and offering suggestions to fix it for the last FOUR blogs, that’s 609 comments from now. Not all the comments are about the nocopy issue but the majority is.

         
      • Lillian

        10/15/2013 at 5:11 pm

        I didn’t see the under post, but I must return that insult since you really can’t seem to PAY ATTENTION. I said, ” I don’t know how blind people can read a computer screen without feeling the for the dots”. I never, once, insulted them, unlike what you are doing (treating them like a baby, how shameful). Maybe you should learn to read peoples post thoroughly before spouting out such nonsense like the moron you proved yourself to be.

        As for copying and pasting. I don’t require it. I can just as easily write the snippets in Wordpad, copy it from there, and post it in the report box. And, I remind you again my little simpleton, that there are other ways around the nocopy feature.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/15/2013 at 5:11 pm

        As for the blind, I wouldn’t know how a blind person can read a computer screen without feeling for the dots.

        Please Google “reader software for the blind” and read up on the things that come up. Additionally, Xing himself has suggested one program that he feels should work with the nocopy enabled.

        Here’s a basic rundown on what they are: http://www.afb.org/ProdBrowseCatResults.asp?CatID=49

        Now, if you paid $250 (or as much as $1500) for a program, and the site you were using it on said “We’re not going to let you use it anymore” wouldn’t you feel that they were discriminating against you?

        You really assume that dyslexic people are lazy? That’s the kind of ignorance that allowed the condition to be undiagnosed for so long and people who have the issues to be told that they really will “never be better than” a trashman/food service clerk/other low-paying job. Let us not forget that this condition was only recognized in 1881. I recommend you read up on dyslexia, all of the different types, as well as the fact that not until the late 20th century was this condition even treated on a wide scale.

        No, I’m not saying coddle them, but I am saying that the assistive technology was developed in order to make it so that they can utilize sites such as this one. Further, when you have people on this site writing with very poor grammar, it doesn’t help them to be able to try to read when they’re already having difficulty.

        Honestly, you’ve made some very inflammatory remarks, so I’m surprised that yemi’s calm response disturbed you the way it did.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 5:15 pm

        @Lillian
        I honestly don’t think there’s any changing in your way of thinking. Congrats on being a minority that can’t be improved.

         
      • Simoneau

        10/15/2013 at 5:24 pm

        @ Lillian – “Feeling for the dots” – I almost believed you were for real, till you threw that little gem in.

        Now I have to assume you’re just a troll, because nobody in the world could possibly be as completely ignorant as all that.

         
      • Lillian

        10/15/2013 at 5:29 pm

        Finally, someone I can talk to.

        See, Rogue, your post is helpful due to the fact that you are trying to explain it without trying to sound bias or insulting. And I can actually understand a bit of the problem better. I am partially blind, but not once have I ever needed something to hold my hand when I read. Maybe, once or twice, I had to read a Harry Potter book out loud in my room, only because it helped me remember the moments better. However, I really hate when people try to coddle me for my seeing problem, I much rather be insulted seeing as it makes me feel normal. So I guess I’m holding other blinds, and dyslexic, in a higher regard then I should. But that doesn’t mean they should try to take advantage of this situation. Hard or not, it may just surprise you how much you improve from a situation like this.

        It didn’t disturb me. Oh no. Trust me, I have come encountered worse comments and poorly done research on fics that have disturbed me, but her response is nothing more then a long finger nail poking you in the arm, lightly. However, that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t point it out. She may not have been trying to insult me, just as I did not try to make my post seem inflammatory.. But the internet, we have to remember, has a way of making things sound worse then they are.

        However, Birdy Main deserved to be insulted since he casted first stone.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 6:01 pm

        it is a bit more complicated than what some people would like to believe, I’m afraid… I saw your posts below… so I understand that you’re starting to see where this could be an issue for some people…I’d just thought I’d share a bit of my personal difficulty with you.

        Some people have more issues with DCD’s, (Developmental coordination disorders, such as Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, Dyscalculia, Dysgraphia, and many, many others) than simply having issues reading it… I myself am one of those people…

        I would suggest looking here http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/symptoms/adult-symptoms/ for a different take on things….1 in every 10 people can have it… and not everyone has the same symptoms… in fact, a long time ago they called it “Clumsy child syndrome” and other oddities because the symptoms are so vast, it’s sometimes hard to tell if a person has it…or they can be so severe, they’re misdiagnosed.

        Being able to track my reading helps me, and I have programs that allow me to better understand, and interpret what I read, a necessity for truly enjoying fan works…and even talking on here. It doesn’t make me lazy, as much as it gives me the opportunity to fully enjoy what I would not be able to otherwise…so, I would like to utilize my programs…of which, I use quite a few.

         
      • Lillian

        10/15/2013 at 6:32 pm

        Knotothedrk, as I told Rogue, post like yours (and Rogues) help me understand situations better, not something that feels biased and that makes me believe my intelligence is being insulted. Not only that, but I can relate to you on a level.

        When I cover my left eye, all the whole page becomes a blurred up mess, except a few large images. If I were to only use my right eye, I’d have to re-size the screen, and dim the light so that I can read it. Put my left eye into play, and I can read just fine, with some eye strain if I stare at a bright (white) screen for too long. Contacts, like the reading soft-ware or the highlight feature, helps me see better.. But since they are so expensive, I can’t really use them. Glasses have the same effect, but I feel like I’m so out of sorts when I have them on, so I try not to use them, at all. (That and they make me feel like I need some ones hand.)

        So yes, I guess I can see the problems, and relate to them.

        You know what I do when I want to mark my place though, I take a bookmark, an actual bookmark, and hold it to the screen or sentence I am reading. I also use my finger as a replacement when I lose my bookmark. Lol.. I love using bookmarks, so handy.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 6:56 pm

        …I envy you…I wish I could use a bookmark…sadly, it just does nothing for me…

        The letters on a screen not only blur…sometimes they do this weird…. hmm…if I had to describe it, it’s as if they get bigger, and then smaller again. Almost like the size is changing, even when I know it isn’t…a depth perception issue, is the best way to explain it.

        Another issue is, I can see better when my background is properly colorized, and Xing doesn’t provide the colors needed. A blue background with yellow words, or a red background with black words, while sometimes painful for most people can actually allow my eyes to focus…making my depth perception issue to stop acting up…and actually allow me to keep my place somewhat easily.

        My program can actually change the backgrounds to bricks for the text so each paragraph looks different… it would be something like:

        Blue background/yellow words.
        Red background/Black words.
        Blue background/Yellow words.

        Sadly I need to be able to go through and click everything individually, because if I select all, I can only then utilize one background…and that doesn’t exactly help the focus issue at that point. That’s the example of one program I use…some days, my ability to focus is worse than others, so at that point, I need to use a text to speech program…. then there’s the actual writing of fan fiction, something that copy paste is useful for, because sadly, the FFN editor doesn’t allow a font big enough for my eyes to see easily, so I actually post my chapters, and then edit them by using the block text situation I described above…

         
      • Lillian

        10/15/2013 at 7:07 pm

        I know what you mean. Something looks one way than it does the other, but when you look at it another way you figure it out. I also have this weird problem where it looks like spots dancing on the screen.

        I love using purple font with a black background, much easier on the eyes, so I know what you mean. I wish Xing would develop a feature that would allow us to change font colors. (I didn’t know there as a program for that though..)

        FFN’s document editor needs to be updated. (Sorry have to get off soon, so I am kind of rushing.)

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 7:11 pm

        …That’s a thought too, I wonder if Xing would perhaps allow the change of font colors and backgrounds to what we can read easily…let the readers customize it themselves…instead of just textures…. it would make it easier for some to read that way…. it might not be an answer for everyone, but it is something to consider none the less…

        That’s one of many methods we should look into, to help aide in this situation, especially if he does insist to keep the no copy as a function that’s defaulted as “on”…if he’s going to do that, he needs to at least offer support to those who truly needs it, otherwise, it’ll hurt him more than help him to do this… though, imo, he should just disable the feature entirely…

         
      • hpstar202

        10/16/2013 at 1:47 am

        You clearly do not know a lot about the problem. For Dyslexics highlighting is used to focus on word. change font does not really help. If you make is bigger it helps some but for many the font its self makes no difference they need to have a way focus on the word or sentence. For the blind their blind. That means they can’t see and need a reading program to read to them. Many of the good ones use highlighting only the cheap ones don’t as most dyslexics like the highlighting and its made for both blind and dyslexic.

         
      • hpstar202

        10/16/2013 at 3:23 am

        I am dyslexic and you have just in salted me in more ways than you can ever know. I could not read until I was in 5 grade and not from a lack of trying. With a lot of work I learned and got graduated from high school with honors and am in college for engineering. I still have problems reading and use read software every day. Very expensive read software for both classes and fun. Does that make me lazy. According to you apparently it does. The expensive software I use can not work with this nocopy and just enabling highlighting might not help I don’t know how it is coded. When I don’t use the software to read I highlight a sentence or part of one in order not mix up words. Saying that I should look at it as a way to improve my reading is discrimination. I lesson to stories to relax after class not get frustrated about my reading. I don’t think that makes me lazy. You clearly have never talked to or leasoned to a person with severe dyslexia. What your saying about over coming you can but only so much. I am dyslexic fact. I have problems reading fact. Just because you’re ignorant does not change the need to be able use the software I pay a lot of money for.

         
      • Lillian

        10/16/2013 at 12:17 pm

        Knotothedrk, I couldn’t agree more. It’d be more of a help then the features he’s chosen to add, lately (rounding off numbers, taking the alphabetical order off, etc). However, this situation does show users that Copying some ones work is not tolerated. Now if the stubborn ones whom do copy would just listen.

        hp202: Seems you are more ignorant then I. Go read the comments between Rogue, Khonothedrk, and I before you continue to spout such nonsense. (Actually, I didn’t even bother to read your entire comment, seeing as you only read the above, and are whining like a child.)

         
      • hpstar202

        10/16/2013 at 2:50 pm

        No I did not read all of your comments before I replied. I was too insulted. The background and color future will help some people and I think it is a good idea. But changing the color will not help or font does not really help me. I use zoom and make the pages bigger which helps but I still need to highlight to keep my place. Yes I could use a bookmark like you but highlighting makes it easier to read that just a bookmark. Having the word or words I am reading be a different color that the rest of the page helps me. That being said reading is still hard and I don’t want to use it as a way to improve my reading. I read fanfction for fun not for a challenge. If I want a challenge I pull out my engineering homework. I use a reading program most of the time because it is easier when all I want to do is relaxes after class. It is not really taking advantage of the system if a person needs to use a reading program or prefers to like I do nor is it cuddling them. Highlighting without copy and paste is only half the answer. I am able to read by myself then but the program I have would still not work. I do think being about to change color and background if it would really help people should be a new future. I still want and need to be about to be able to copy and paste. That is why I think copy and paste enable should be default. If people do not want people to be able to copy and paste their work that fine I probably will not read their stories.

         
      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/19/2013 at 6:26 am

        First, to Knotothedrk, thank you for the clear explanation of your disability. I did not know what dyspraxia was and the info page you linked to was interesting reading. Because of your polite description of your own needs, I understand better why the inability to select text is such an issue. I’d have enabled the copy protection for my own work, but after reading your comments, I am seriously rethinking things.

        To Lillian, I can tell you it was a struggle to get through the entire thread after the comments about the blind feeling a screen and your opinion on audio alternatives. Someone can easily make MP3s of text to speech reading fics, and I don’t see that it’s any different from printing them for portability, now that I think about it. Content is still the same.

        I have to say, I was pretty insulted by those comments. For one, monitors never have dots you can feel. If you are meaning Braille displays, which is the closest thing to a monitor for the blind, they are insanely expensive and if you have one, I envy you. As for having someone read to us, it is thankfully no longer a necessity. With OCR software and screen readers, many things can be read independently. No, it does not substitute for true, natural sight, but the cases where living eyes are needed are happily much more restricted to checking for LED lights or helping us to navigate open spaces. And with technology improving all the time, maybe even those needs will be reduced in the future.

        As for my stance on independence, it’s all well and good if you don’t mind taking the extra time or working out how to do something in a different way, but honestly, if a sighted person can do something in double or triple the time I can, I’m happy to let them help me if they are willing. It’s not about doing everything myself; it’s being willing or able to do it if need be.

        Rogue, thanks for the clarification on screen readers. You brought some clear-headed logic back to the thread.

         
    • KageNoNeko

      10/15/2013 at 9:34 pm

      Using my browser (firefox), I can with a few mouse clicks and a couple of key strokes disable the nocopy CSS for me be able to do what I need to do.

      Really, I don’t think a person should be using browser-specific CSS.

       
  17. Birdymain

    10/15/2013 at 2:00 pm

    I just got curious on the sites that mostly offline users to download fics for reading. Seems Flagfic is claiming that they are deliberately blocking the site from fetching stories, and ignoring emails for an explanation.

    Is this really your policy Xing? Ignore it all if it doesn’t fall into your little bubble? I know you can comment, there’s no need to hide behind the screen.

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/15/2013 at 3:10 pm

      I agree it would be nice to hear the reasoning from him…and that goes for a lot of things….there’s plenty I would like Xing’s official stance on…. The no copy stance is only one…though atm it’s my major one…and it’s the most pressing, because I can not read, at all, remotely from FFN as it stands right now…

      http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/symptoms/adult-symptoms/ <— Xing, see the part about eyesight???

      Put the copy paste back up, if you would please….that thing about "poor visual perception" is NOT an understatement…..please for the love of all that is fandom….stop making it hard to enjoy it…

       
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/15/2013 at 3:32 pm

      Out of curiosity, Xing, is this your means of defining item 5.D of the Terms of Service?

      D. You agree to not engage in the use, copying, or distribution of any of the Content other than expressly permitted herein, including any use, copying, or distribution of User Submissions of third parties obtained through the Website for any commercial purposes.

      Are you intending to say that reader programs which require the highlight function and the use thereof by disabled persons is a violation of the terms?

      And you’re saying that their disabling of the CSS in their browsers is a violation of 5.E

      E. You agree not to circumvent, disable or otherwise interfere with security-related features of the FanFiction.Net Website or features that prevent or restrict use or copying of any Content or enforce limitations on use of the FanFiction.Net Website or the Content therein.

      (emphasis added)

      So then, being able to use the site itself, because they are disabled and need to use programs that require them to disable the CSS in order to use their reading programs, is verboten to them? Anyone who is blind is not welcome on FFN? Anyone who is dyslexic? Anyone who can’t speak/read English well and requires a translator?

      Is your site only intended to be used with those who speak/read English fluently and have no handicap that could require the use of any external program? Are you actually saying that you are in favor of discriminating against the disabled because they are disabled? Or against those who don’t read English fluently because they were born in a country other than the USA?

       
      • Trudes193

        10/15/2013 at 3:46 pm

        Thank you for pointing that out, it is completely unfair. And who exactly is he trying to protect?

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 4:06 pm

        Did they just add that to the terms of service? It can’t have always been there because there was no feature for preventing or restricting use or copying of content.

        I wish to remind the site admins of something called fair use and the fact they are preventing people from using the content of their site under fair use. The following fall under fair use.

        – criticism and commentary
        – news reporting
        – research and scholarship
        – nonprofit educational uses
        – parody

        By disallowing copy and paste you are preventing the first four items that constitute fair use. And yes… they do occur in the fanfiction community. Fanfiction doesn’t count as unpublished materials either as by posting to the net it is published. Not to mention the fact many of us have clearly stated this doesn’t PREVENT plagiarism.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 4:22 pm

        If that were to turn out to be the case, I would be highly offended since it seems to me, the FFN wouldn’t want to be discriminatory, and, I don’t think they could get away with that for very long without losing a lot of supporters…

        If we can’t read at FFN, we’ve no choice but to either look else where for a new fandom home….it’s sad…but for some of us, it’ll come down to it if we can’t use the programs we need.

        Xing, that can only hinder you, if that’s the case…not help you…

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 4:24 pm

        …wait a sec…. how in the world can we report infringements without adding a part of the story (since that’s what they want) unless we break the TOS then???

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 4:26 pm

        Lol. Imagine that. Report a story and get in trouble ourselves.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/15/2013 at 5:15 pm

        other than expressly permitted herein

        That part is what allows you to copy it for reporting purposes. They did include a clause to allow for that. ;)

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 5:16 pm

        Lol. Don’t ruin it. Still sounds funny. XD

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 6:05 pm

        Except it is still funny despite the fact they included that because guess what… the rule breakers are going to turn on nocopy to deter people from reporting them. Only those wanting to take the extra effort will do so.

         
  18. Trudes193

    10/15/2013 at 3:03 pm

    The is ridiculous now, this definitely falls under the title of discrimination on those like me who have disabilities, while it also feels like you are punishing everybody else else that uses the highlighting without plagiarizing. As Birdymain has said above, please comment on why you implemented this function, and stop ignoring us, we deserve the right to know why.

    As I have already stated on another blog, I feel like you are bringing out all these new features to distract us from the nocopy issue hoping we will just go away, but all this has just caused more problems for you, and the best way to deal with this is to fix the problems that there first, before you start on something else.

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/15/2013 at 3:56 pm

      I agree. Fix the problems then work on the special features.

       
  19. knotothedrk

    10/15/2013 at 4:31 pm

    @Birdymain lol….well, I’m starting to lose faith in Xing’s logic if we get into trouble by trying to help them…

    Xing!!!! LOGIC! use some please….you don’t want those trying to help you do so by breaking the TOS…that makes us just as bad, by that logic…. please….make a statement on these ussues posted above… please…

     
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:51 pm

      Why don’t you build your own website??? And go there. Stay there. Stay away from FFN. You obviously can’t handle it.

       
      • cathrl

        10/16/2013 at 3:38 am

        Sweetie, I’ve built multiple websites – my day job is as a web developer.

        Sites can usefully have concrit just like stories can. You’re the equivalent of those writers who thinks having a typo pointed out is a deadly insult and a sign that the reviewer is “just jellus” and couldn’t possibly write a story of their own. Saying something could be improved isn’t a sign that someone “can’t handle it.”

         
  20. Trudes193

    10/15/2013 at 4:35 pm

    Is he going to make this into a membership site? So people who pay get the privilege to copy and paste to an extent, while the people using the site for free don’t get any.

    This is probably a very stupid assumption, but it just came into my head, sorry if this sounds really stupid.

     
    • Birdymain

      10/15/2013 at 4:37 pm

      Unless all the money went to supporting the site’s servers. Legally it can’t be a paid site. Fictionpress can be but not fanfiction.

       
    • knotothedrk

      10/15/2013 at 5:17 pm

      it’s not a stupid assumption….. though it is one that if he actually tries will get him into trouble….with all of the copyright issues, that trouble is ten fold…

       
    • anonlulz

      10/15/2013 at 6:50 pm

      It must hurt to be so stupid.

       
  21. anonlulz

    10/15/2013 at 6:54 pm

    I’d love to see any of you try to build a fanfiction archive from scratch, run it, and keep it up for years.

    Ignorant idiots. Keep posting here, I’m laughing my ass off at your stupidity!

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/15/2013 at 6:59 pm

      ….hello troll, nice to see you too…

      This is actually a problematic issue we’re discussing…and sadly enough, it could prove to become a problem for Xing too, if he doesn’t realize that he’s preventing his users from utilizing the site.

       
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 7:19 pm

        Lol. Some of those comments are kind of funny. But feeding the troll will get you no where but a headache. Ignore it.

         
      • Mindee

        10/16/2013 at 12:15 am

        You don’t seem to understand. No matter what you threaten to do, ffnet is NOT losing users. Therefore, these updates are not hurting the site. They will continue on.

        If you are unhappy, then leave. Prove to everyone that they will lose traffic. But I seriously doubt that anyone here is going anywhere. We see the same names popping up on this blog. We see the same people threatening to leave but they never do.

         
  22. knotothedrk

    10/15/2013 at 7:27 pm

    Aw, but birdy, I wanna feed the troll! take the fun outta my day..

    In anycase, this brings up a point…is there any way we fan fiction writers can start up a task force or something to send to Xing about what kind of users he’s dealing with or something? I mean, I’m sure it would be helpful to him to know just what kid of problems he’s dealing with as far as how many here are impaired, and how severe it is…It would probably help him make more informed choices in the future..

    I would like to think he had good intentions when he did this…and I would also like to think, that if we could provide him with proper support, that he might be able to see in what direction he could take the site.

    This could also include extra features and things perhaps… luxuries that have been properly discussed among users before tossed in his face as we currently do here on the forum….I think it may help…I can’t say for sure…but does anyone else think it might be helpful?

     
    • Birdymain

      10/15/2013 at 7:35 pm

      Might be helpful to post all the problems and the fixes we’ve come up for them. I really haven’t noticed much of a difference in solutions.

      Doing a statistic is a bit harder. The best and easiest way to do that would be setting up a webpage with a voting and options for other. It would be ideal to post that on the front page of FF.net. Perhaps have an announcement at the top of the entire site so everyone reads it, and more people vote about it. Then you’d have to count how many users didn’t vote and make a deduction from your data on what they would vote on.

      Honestly it sounds like a good idea, I’m just not sure it’ll get through.

       
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 7:43 pm

        Setting up another account just for that wouldn’t be a bad idea either. With the poll function.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 7:46 pm

        See, yeah, that’s a good starting point too…I’m not very good at planning and facilitating these sorts of things, but, perhaps if we got a small group of interested parties together, we could have a proper way to plan all of this out…

         
    • Trudes193

      10/15/2013 at 7:37 pm

      That actually sounds like a great idea, he would be able to make the site better for all users, I just hope Xing listens to it though.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 7:41 pm

        well…see, that’s the issue, is he would need to want the feedback, and I’m unsure of if we could get him to make a site…but even just making a forum amongst ourselves, and using word of mouth is a staring point…from there, we can expand out, get the word out..and, maybe, just maybe…we can prove that we can be helpful to him enough that he’ll actually want the polls and other types of data that could be provided.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 7:43 pm

        Lol. These reply buttons are a little confusing.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 7:47 pm

        …how does one start up a forum on the FFN? we might want to take this discussion to a new place, to keep this clean, and free from blabber..

         
      • Trudes193

        10/15/2013 at 7:56 pm

        I apologise if this doesn’t make much sense, I’m not very good at explaining things, so it might be a little confusing.

        In your account page there should be a tab called Forums, when that menu drops down there is a tab called My Forums, click on that and you can start a forum. There is also a guidelines tab above with help too.

        I hope this helps you, and again I hope this wasn’t too confusing for you.

         
  23. birdymain

    10/15/2013 at 7:59 pm

    Well then, who wants to set it up?

     
    • Lillian

      10/16/2013 at 12:25 pm

      Though your idea is not bad. But, I can see where some users can abuse it against groups like CU, LU, and Eliminator. They will want to have them removed from the site, they always have, and possibly get the MA rating enabled. You should consider your rules for that forum carefully. It would do no one any good if they have a personal vendetta against a group, user, etc.

      Also, do you think Xing would listen? Considering how many petitions have been made. If you look at your group in a certain way, it can be viewed more as an active petition against the site, something that can be ignored. So your stance should be another thing to think carefully of.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 1:46 pm

        Well, see the goal isn’t to change the site’s stance on MA content, or things of that nature…but for example, this “No Copy” debacle…things that seem to cause wide spread problems…as we’re seeing now…It would be best, instead of all of us chanting at him to fix it, to really reach out, and see what kind of visibilities we’re dealing with…or what kinds of thing the highlight function is used for, if it’s used at all…

        This wouldn’t be for begging about implementing new features…rather we would focus on sending in proper feedback, in an organized manner, about the things he puts into place, or perhaps bringing up known issues that have yet to be addressed…

        Also the CU, LU, and Eliminator are not our worry, they do not cause widespread difficulties with the site function itself… if people have problems or abuse, they need to take that to the website admins…we aren’t going to be getting into any turf wars with other forums…

        Our goal would be to help Xing decide if particular functions are serving their intended purposes, since as we all know, the poor admins are bogged down with so much, it would be easier if they had some data from us, to help decide things, without them having to search though every post here…

        I’m not saying it’s a perfect plan…I’m just trying to make a start someplace…

         
      • Lillian

        10/16/2013 at 2:14 pm

        And it is a good start point. However, a large majority of the site may not even respond to the difficulties they are facing with the new features. So this may become a problem. If this is to be a date feedback for the admins, every user would have to get involved, not just a few, and I don’t see that happening.

        I remember that the admins use to have beta testers for their features. I wonder what happened to that system.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 2:36 pm

        Beta testers, huh?….no idea what happened to it…but that’s a good point…where id that go, and would he willingly allow people to become his beta testers again? If so, I’m sure it would help him with all of these changes…

         
  24. knotothedrk

    10/15/2013 at 8:04 pm

    Alright, I’m making an account/ and forum for this idea… I’ll let you know when it’s ready…

     
    • birdymain

      10/15/2013 at 8:06 pm

      Need any help my user is Birdy Main

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 8:27 pm

        http://www.fanfiction.net/myforums/Fanpolls/5238588/

        We have an account and forum…. now all we need to do, is gather interested parties willing to be active and sit down to discuss how we want to go about things…

         
      • Trudes193

        10/15/2013 at 8:45 pm

        I’ve subscribed, but I may need to think a little before I can come up with a mission statement. I hope that is okay with you?

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 9:07 pm

        start posting to the forum… in the stuff, and we can discuss it there..

         
      • HeroR

        10/15/2013 at 9:38 pm

        The problem with these kind of polls and discussions is that it only represents a small poll of the people who used this site. I doubt even 1% of the members on this site post or even know about this blog. If they have a complaint, they are most likely to do it though the privacy of email instead of making it a issue on a forum or blog. So, polling is very limited since the site owners will only be hearing from a vocal minority which may not represent the will of the majority.

        If the owners get a lot of complaints, not just here, but by people emailing them, they will most likely to change. I doubt raising a fuss on a forum will do anything since people have been trying to get this site to do certain things for years like delete sign reviews, bring back the block guest function, bring back the MA section, hiring members to oversee the site, have the favorites and follower hidden again, ect.

        I am not saying your idea will not work, but I think you should keep your expectations realistic and understand that your idea is not reflective of everyone on the site since only so many people use this blog compare to the million of writers and readers on this site.

         
      • birdymain

        10/15/2013 at 9:45 pm

        Of course not, but starting out small is a start.

         
    • cathy massey

      10/16/2013 at 12:35 am

      How does one find any specific forum other than the ones for individual fandoms?

      Is there a directory for the 30K+ forums under ‘general?’

      I looked at the ones for my fandoms years ago, found that they were most of them were either depressingly uninteresting or dormant, and pretty much forgot they were there. I have no idea how to begin navigating this monolith.

       
      • Birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 2:46 pm

        No idea either. They don’t seem to be in order of popularity or activity.

         
  25. knotothedrk

    10/15/2013 at 10:07 pm

    Oh, I’ve no doubts that this will not be an easy task…and I don’t declare to move mountains…but, it would be nice, to have clear and concise emails sent, with proper stats to back it up…I know it won’t speak for the entire site…but even if he knows rough a number of his users would like to see something…or have a truly valid concern, backed up with evidence to support the claim, then we may be more likely to see a positive outcome.

    Clearly, this requires active voices, and the majority of users will be silent so that will be hard…but for example…this no copy debacle…if Xing knew what he was dealing with, and the proper numbers that we could get… i understand it wouldn’t be the entire website, but if we had at least something…I think it would be a start…

    Also, there are other communities who work to better the site…and these communities strive to prevent plagiarism, or even just friendly review boards among the users… these communities are good examples of actives voices…and ones that have proven that the squeaky wheel can be heard…

    So, while it’s true we may not make huge, drastic changes, we have no idea what can be accomplished until we give it an honest try…

     
    • birdymain

      10/15/2013 at 10:10 pm

      Lol part of that wouldn’t make a bad mission statement

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/15/2013 at 10:14 pm

        What part would you like me to add, and it shall be done :)

         
      • cathy massey

        10/16/2013 at 1:20 am

        Been thinking over the past several weeks since I started reading these posts that what this site needed was a good mission statement.

        Even more, I’d say it needs a good, solid Bill of Rights for authors, and another one for readers.

         
      • HeroR

        10/16/2013 at 2:26 am

        Oh, I understand where you are coming from. I just saying be aware of the vocal minority. I do believe that the copy/paste issue is the one I feel would effect the most people make the site change their stance, even if it is make the copy/past disable off by default and I do believe that the true pairing system needs more twitches given that a lot of shippers will not be happy if all old stories are classified as romance.

        A lot of the other stuff I have seen raise on this forum, however, is more personally preference than something I see the majority of people wanting.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 8:36 am

        See, and that’s another topic that could be brought up in the forum…

        http://www.fanfiction.net/myforums/Fanpolls/5238588/

         
      • cathy massey

        10/16/2013 at 11:21 pm

        I starting thinking about the Bill of rights thing a few weeks ago while reading one of these columns.

        It really wasn’t the admins and their attitude that I was reacting to, (though they may seem arrogant and elitist to many people), but the way several authors posting in that day’s conversation were talking about readers, and the way several readers earlier had been talking about authors.

         
  26. xraiderv1

    10/16/2013 at 3:03 am

    dirty pool adding that new condition to the TOS..it was NOT there yesterday,

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/16/2013 at 8:38 am

      What condition changed in the TOS that you’re unhappy about?

      Unfortunately, the admins reserve the right to change whatever they would like, without our notification, however, I would still like to know what part bothered you so much.

       
    • Lynn Hollander

      10/16/2013 at 1:31 pm

      TOS is listed as being modified 5 March 2009. That’s not yesterday. What condition do you mean?

       
  27. Jordan

    10/16/2013 at 1:24 pm

    I think this feature would have more sense if applied to fictionpress, because it stores original works. I’m starting to think that fanfiction.net has become a bit narcissistic and it’s starting to forget what really is: a site that hosts apocryphal stories, and only the 0.01% of those stories can hope to do justice to the original canon they are inspired by. And I’m being generous. So, while I can understand the desire to protect the authors work, this kind of decision sucks away all the enjoyment from the readers and it’s as exaggerated as trying to kill a fly with a gun. I haven’t any particular qualms about this, the fact I can’t save fanfics doesn’t change my life because i can read them online, but users with disability have several problems, as other users pointed out better than I could do. I think that would be in the site interest to fix this feature.

     
    • guest

      10/16/2013 at 1:32 pm

      If your talking about the no copy you hit it dead on.

       
      • Jordan

        10/16/2013 at 2:51 pm

        Yes, that’s what I was referring to. My apologies if it wasn’t clear.

         
  28. Birdymain

    10/16/2013 at 3:04 pm

    Now I’m curious. I just stumbled on an user that actually goes around fanfictions flaming and harassing authors just for the fun of it. It’s actually really disturbing. Because this is bullying now.

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/16/2013 at 3:14 pm

      there are a few users who do that…it’s not uncommon…a sad thing really…but bullies are everywhere…though recently, that has gotten a little worse as well…

       
    • Belen09

      10/16/2013 at 3:14 pm

      Well, some people (I guess) get their ‘jollies’ in the most idiotic ways – makes me think of junior high school when the bullies who were actually ‘afraid of their own shortcomings’ would gang up on someone – ‘What goes around, comes around’ eventually . . . I figure . . . I see fanfiction as an opportunity to get one’s unique viewpoint out . . .

       
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 3:28 pm

        Ah moderation approval because I posted links. These are from one story. I’m just not comprehending how this author still has their account.

        The Fox Familiar 10/15/13 . chapter 3
        So you ask people to read and review and turn around and say “don’t like don’t read.” Yeah, don’t say shit like that unless you’re willing to let people actually read your shit.

        Luna acts like a PMSing bitch, again, and does absolutely fuck all. I have no idea who she is, or what her purpose is, but she irritates the fuck out of me. She’s brash, stupid, and generally, acts like an emotional woman that cares only about her precious feelings.

        Yet another reason why women were not allowed in the Order. Either she’s a really shitty Assassin, or she blew some serious cocks to get in, but in reality, she wouldn’t even be allowed to loiter, let alone wield a sword.

        Yes, your writing sucks. So does your character. Better luck next time.

        The Fox Familiar 10/15/13 . chapter 2
        Stop fucking changing the POVs, you idiot!

        Pick one and stick to it, for fuck’s sake! Christ, this Luna chick is a dumbass. Oh, no, her poor little feelings are hurt!

        And that, my friend, is why women were not allowed in the order.

        The Fox Familiar 10/15/13 . chapter 1
        First of all, since you posted this story for everyone to read, if someone doesn’t like it, they should be allowed to voice their dissent. If YOU don’t like it, you can go back to your little special snowflake corner and learn to take a little heat.

        So we have yet another Sue centered fic with some stupid whore or something, where she goes through ASSASSIN TRAINING, FUCK YEAH and the POVs change so much it happens more than her period. First chapter in and your OC is PMSing over a man that she doesn’t know. I don’t care what happens to this OC, or whatever, because the plot and the story are so awful it makes me wonder if you didn’t look through the archives and conclude this idea was done to death.

        Imbecile

         
    • knotothedrk

      10/16/2013 at 3:40 pm

      …yeah, those reviews are a bit much…I’ll agree to that… /sigh. well, I will say this…at least the person has the gull to do that without just doing it as a “guest” because i get a lot of guest reviews that cause me to shake my head and sigh….only to promptly ignore them due to not wanting to read a review filled with ranting that isn’t constructive.

       
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 3:41 pm

        Lol. Ya, was surprised on that one too.

         
      • Mindee

        10/16/2013 at 4:06 pm

        Give authors the ability to delete signed reviews. Problem solved. I know a lot of you are worried that your own reviews will get deleted too, but an author shouldn’t have to put up with the death threats and harassment just so a reader can have a false sense of security. There are even communities dedicated to promoting this hate. All this could be solved if ffnet followed AO3’s procedures.

        Oh, yeah, the guest reviews are harsh, too. You’re right about that. It was a lot nicer when we could disable them. It makes it too tempting to flame a story! People who never been flamed don’t understand this situation. It has gotten worse.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/16/2013 at 6:44 pm

        Then there is their profile where they spout off the fact they think those who are unable to contribute to society should do the world a favor and die. And this is me not going into a rant about the other things I found on said profile.

         
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 6:58 pm

        There’s a lot of hate in this kid.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 7:08 pm

        yeah…I agree…

        That kind of anger and hostility doesn’t sit well with me…

         
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 7:17 pm

        The internet makes people brave, thinking they can get away with stuff try can’t in the real world.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 7:24 pm

        WEll, being harsh, and edgy is one thing….not supporting gay rights is perfectly fine too…I’m part of the GLBTQ community, but I can accept if a person doesn’t agree with my way of life..I even applaud the idea of tossing political correctness out the window to a particular degree…

        However, that profile crosses a few lines, in ways that both alarm and sicken me…it feels dangerous, in more ways than one, that’s the vibe I get…

        I don’t mind if a person has a strong opinion about something, and lord knows we can’t hold everyone’s hand all the time…but that kind of profile only exudes anger, and it’s the kind that tells me, this person is malicious by nature…

        I am thoroughly disturbed, if I’m being honest about this…in real life, a person who acted like that in school or work, would be sent to an institution or worse, in this day and age…

        A danger to themselves and others, is what the people would say about that…

         
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 7:42 pm

        Well, I still have a post pending review on her. Hopefully they take a look before dismissing it. I’m going to report them, I’m just a little afraid of their profile. DX And the fact the account has been here since 2010 and still there.

         
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 7:52 pm

        Hm. I wonder just how many of those authors would like to report this user too.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 8:23 pm

        I don’t know, but I’ve also sent in a report, due to my concern about what’s on her profile…that alone bothered me enough to ask that they please investigate the situation.

        2010 is a long time to be that vocal…though, here’s my other concern…even if they ban the account, would they ban the IP too (not that people can’t get around that anyway) However, I fear that this person would become a guest reviewer…and would target the people that they assumed would be responsible.

        Either way, this person is abusive, and should be dealt with in a firm, direct manner from the admins…because the above is strictly abuse.

         
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 9:06 pm

        That maybe, but leaving something like this shows acceptable behavior, and can’t guest reviews be deleted?

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 9:38 pm

        …well if this is considered acceptable, what in the world counts as abuse…that’s what I’d love to know…

        and yes, they can be…I know you can moderate guest reviews and deny them before they show up. I know I do that every so often for a day or so if I’m encountering a guest problem…they normally give up after a day or so…unless they’re persistent…though persistence is rare when it does occur…and when it does, it’s normally completely nonsensical and cap locked, swearing…I’ve deleted a few of that nature…

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 4:26 pm

        I’ve dealt with only dealt with one person who was persistent in harassing me via anonymous reviewers. Same person I’ve been saying tried telling me that foster siblings aren’t siblings, posted a spoiler to a light novel once they created a signed account and didn’t get the fact the reason I didn’t agree with their argument that I was writing a certain character OoC as well as character bashing her was because a.) I’ve had logical conversations with others about how most writers actually are in denial about her true personality and b.) I actually like her character and have a habit of whumping my favorite characters with mental and emotional torture.

         
  29. kamentantei

    10/16/2013 at 5:10 pm

    I can’t stand the guest reviews who criticize and flame my stories. It becomes even more irritating when I can’t respond to them. I wish there was a way to delete signed-in reviews, too-the flaming ones are really irritating and I’d like to get rid of them. So that was why I couldn’t copy and paste my fanfiction to work on it and fix it up! Thanks a lot, fanfiction. How am I supposed to copy and paste my work now and proofread it?

    The pairing thing isn’t too bad, but the whole copy/paste thing is ridiculous.

     
    • HeroR

      10/16/2013 at 5:20 pm

      You can still copy and paste if you use the live preview function in your Account options.

       
    • bienfait

      10/16/2013 at 6:13 pm

      @kamenatantei – if you have genuinely abusive reviews, they can be reported to the admins for removal. But strongly worded adverse criticism, even if it stings, is not “flaming”, but part of the whole experience of putting your story out for reader response.

      The subject of allowing writers to remove signed-in feedback at will has been discussed at length many times on this blog. The problem is that there are some writers who *only* want positive feedback, and who given the chance will actively remove any honest criticism which isn’t praise. (If you’ve ever given an honest review to one of these little flowers, and received a blast of pure rage in response, you’ll understand how hostile to constructive criticism they can be.)

      Reviews don’t only belong to the writer who receives them. They also belong to other readers who may use them as a guide for choosing stories to read. No writer has the right to censor others’ opinions of their work.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 6:19 pm

        true…but there also shouldn’t be any cussing involved in said review the the stuff above, such as what Birdy mentioned… that’s not at all constructive, and more than just a little hostile….and those types can prove to be more than just a little problematic.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/16/2013 at 6:38 pm

        I think they know the difference between a critique and flame as they specifically said they wanted to delete the signed flames, not the critique. When it comes to anonymous though they want to delete both because it frustrates them not being able to respond to them. I’ve gotten a few critiques on grammar issues from anonymous reviewers recently but I can’t personally thank them.

        But yeah… reviews don’t belong to just the writer despite the fact some people think otherwise.

         
      • fems

        10/17/2013 at 3:31 am

        @knotothedrk

        I thought enabling the profanity filter was to censor against cussing? I don’t mind the language as I have a few reviewers who get really worked up and involved with the fic/characters/plot twists and sometimes that results in bad language but it’s usually accompanied with a compliment about my ability to get them drawn into the story.

        @yemi
        You’d be surprised how many sensitive souls see actual concrit as flames. Some of the more hardened/cynical writers don’t even bat an eye when they get comments like the examples posted in this blog entry before, which included some personal insults. If I were to receive something like that it would just make me go “oooookaaay” and I’d either ignore them or reply if possible and ask for an explanation.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 4:13 pm

        I actually critique when I write my reviews so I know full well how many of these kids don’t know what critique is.

         
    • yemi hikari

      10/16/2013 at 6:18 pm

      The reason why they don’t allow people to delete signed reviews has been discussed before. Unfortunately there are certain sensitive wallflowers (not you of course… you only want to delete the flames) who would delete any negative review because they got their feelings hurt by things as simple as critique on their grammar or formatting.

      That also said you’re not the only one who would like to respond to the anonymous reviews. While I would like a way to publicly reply to them I will also be miffed at the site admins if they don’t fix the copy paste. I was rereading one of my older stories on the site because it was easier to read that way and wanted to do some minor editing because a few chapters drove me nuts grammar wise but I had to log into the site to get to the stuff.

      And yes… I know that the site admins want the draft posted to be the final draft however the issue is this. While my grammar is not hot-off-the-press it can be odd at times and I know if I have problems with something I wrote ever so long ago my readers will too.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/16/2013 at 6:23 pm

        Not only that, but a lot of fan fiction is WIP, and so it doesn’t help if say, in chapter 3 something doesn’t work with say, chapter 50, and you want to fix part of chapter three…well, now it’s that much more a pain in the rear…

        Not to mention, again, in the preview, it’s just hard to read things in general…fixing copy paste would help a lot…honestly, it would.

         
      • birdymain

        10/16/2013 at 6:49 pm

        It’s actually nice having those reviews signed. I’m shocked at how long this author has been allowed to conduct their hate on the site. Makes it really easy to find the reviews for reporting. I don’t think I’ve seen a good review yet.

         
      • Fluffly

        10/16/2013 at 7:14 pm

        But you let the author know of their mistake. You corrected their grammar and typos (yippy!). The author saw it and read it. Message received! Mission accomplished! Who cares if it’s deleted afterwards? As a reader, you already had your say. Are you so self-involved that every word you say must be kept and cherished forever?! If anything, you are the delicate little wallflower (and I really wish you’d learn a new term by now. You must copy and paste this response every time someone brings up reviews. A wallflower is a shy person who keeps to themselves btw).

        A lot of authors get flamed. It’s not about everyone being too sensitive, but you always dismiss it as so. If you don’t want to delete your own reviews, fine, Perfect. But you don’t have to make others suffer.

         
      • fems

        10/17/2013 at 3:23 am

        In general, I don’t mind anonymous guest reviews except when they ask (non-rhetorical) questions and seem to expect an answer! However, if they are merely clarifications or something that makes me go ‘hey, that’s a good point I should address it’, then I’ll just work it into the next chapter (into the story, not as an author’s note). The more senseless questions/remarks I ignore since there’s no way for me to reply aside from doing it in an author’s note which looks awful in my opinion (especially if there’s more than one guest), but sometimes other reviewers take the problem out of my hands and simply address the guest in their own review (apparently they read them prior to submitting their own) to give them the answer they needed.

        One thing that might be useful would be a comment on the site along the lines of “You are reviewing as a guest, which means the author is unable to reply” or “Without logging into your account and enabling PMs, the author is unable to reply to your review”.

        You could just use the export function to get the chapter back into your doc manager and then fix the issues, save it and replace the chapter. No copy/paste needed in that case, although I would recommend also making the changes to the chapter’s document and your master document for future use (if you ever decide to edit the whole story again and reupload them with the “old” mistakes still present) or if you want to upload it to other archives.

         
  30. Lynn Hollander

    10/16/2013 at 5:40 pm

    The FictionPress review window seems larger. Has anyone else noticed this?

     
    • yemi hikari

      10/16/2013 at 6:12 pm

      Yes. The screen is larger, but not on the fanfiction site.

       
  31. Trudes193

    10/16/2013 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t know if this will help, but I found a few things on the web about disabled people being able to access the web. As I said before I don’t know if this will help with the current situation, and I aam sorry if this is really out of place here, and I am sorry if this sounds stupid.

    http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines

    http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/

    http://webguide.gov.au/accessibility-usability/accessibility/

    http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=23601

    Again I don’t know if this will help, and I’m sorry if this post sounds stupid.

     
  32. Sara

    10/16/2013 at 10:14 pm

    I am having a problem with the site freezing up… anyone else having the same problem using Firefox browser?

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/16/2013 at 10:22 pm

      I wouldn’t say freezing per say…but it seems to be acting a bit slower than usual.

       
  33. Ark

    10/16/2013 at 10:20 pm

    What dunce actually thought preventing all readers from highlighting text is gonna stop whatever population of plagiarizers are out there? It’s only hindering the readers.

     
  34. Astoria25

    10/16/2013 at 10:49 pm

    I have been made aware of a bug, Sysadmins.

    It hasn’t affected me (yet), but then again, I haven’t uploaded anything lately.

    Apparently, when you upload a document and there are italic bits interspersed in normal text, the italic bits loose their spaces separating them fro the normal text.

    Like so:

    «I have a [italics; big problem] here, let me work on it!»

    «I have a[italics: big problem]here, let me work on it!»

    Hope that gets fixed soon.

    (By the way, Xing, I agree with the others: the pairings feature should be an opt-in. And perhaps you should hold a quorum or something, because, while all good ideas, too much complexity is bad for new users. We don’t want FFNet to die out!).

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/17/2013 at 12:23 am

      Ut oh…I haven’t noticed that just yet I uploaded a chapter just this afternoon without that issue…but that sounds not so fun to deal with…how bad is it… like all over the place, or just one or two sprinkled in at inopportune times?

       
    • seila

      10/17/2013 at 1:37 am

      I’ve seen that particular italics issue pop up in hundreds of stories. It’s very unattractive, but still readable. Unfortunately, I cannot say whether it’s been fixed recently since I have never used italics in my final copies.

       
  35. Quincy

    10/17/2013 at 1:01 am

    I’m sorry but the argument people use against keeping signed reviews undeletable is flaw. If these sensitive little wallflowers are you people say would so easily get butthurt or critiques, forcing the reviews to stay aren’t going to force them to change or follow advice. It only helps people who can make fake signed accounts and use it troll or flame. You can’t force people to follow critiques, but you can limit certain practices that people abuse because its online.

     
    • Birdymain

      10/17/2013 at 1:17 am

      O.o We’re arguing about keeping signed reviews undeletable??? Are we? D: I thought we were having a conversation about a cyberbully on FF.net.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/17/2013 at 9:41 am

        I’m concerned about bullying… not about reviews…

        I see both sides of the argument…both sides have valid points, and good reasons…still, I think the author should be able to delete a singed review if the admins won’t properly take care of abuse reports…. if they will, then it’s fine not to be able to personally delete them…

        However, if abuse reports aren’t being handled effectively, we as writers, should be able to define what is and is not abuse in our eyes, and delete accordingly…

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 3:44 pm

        However, if abuse reports aren’t being handled effectively, we as writers, should be able to define what is and is not abuse in our eyes, and delete accordingly…

        Absolutely not. I’ve had people throw a gasket and call my review abusive when I told the writer that they had a lovely story but their grammar and formatting problems honestly took away from the enjoyment. Not only do I see writers deleting this I know that certain rabid fans will also want it deleted.

         
    • Simoneau

      10/17/2013 at 1:43 am

      @Quincy – the reviews still need to stay, so that readers who consult them – there are many – will find honest critique, not just praise from other little flowers who are hoping to receive the same in return.

      If the reviews are not a fair and honest reflection of the entire range of reader reaction – positive, negative or constructive – then what’s the point of having a review system at all?

       
    • yemi hikari

      10/17/2013 at 3:46 pm

      As someone else has pointed out the reviews are not just for the writers. Many readers use reviews to figure out what they’re saying. Readers can also learn from the reviews left on other peoples stories for when they write their own.

       
  36. Quincy

    10/17/2013 at 2:23 am

    I’m just saying, the people who will actually respond to the critique and would use them will actually read and keep the reviews. If they have no interest in anything that isn’t praise, it doesn’t matter if you the reviews stay or not.

     
    • bienfait

      10/17/2013 at 2:36 am

      It matters to other readers. When I’m in doubt about reading a story, I will go to the reviews and see what other readers, many of whom I know share my taste, have said about it. If they say it’s OOC or too far from canon or implausible, I may decide not to waste my time on something I know I won’t enjoy.

      Those are exactly the kind of reviews some writers will delete if they get the chance.

      Why should a writer be allowed to censor public opinion of their story, just to paint it in a better light? I have to go along with Simoneau on this – if the review system is manipulated by the writer, then it becomes worthless.

      Reviews aren’t only there for the writer. They’re for everyone to read and digest.

       
      • HeroR

        10/17/2013 at 5:20 am

        I feel this argument comes up so much because writers forget that this site is not just for them. It is also for readers. Reviews is not just there to give writers feedback if their story is good, what works, and what needs to be improved. The reviews are also there for readers when deciding that a story is worth their time to read. I some times read review if a interesting reading a epically long story and I want to make sure that I am not wasting my time since my free time is more limited these days.

        Getting flamed sucked, but writers should not be in charge on what stays on their review list. Also, there is a chance that years from now when a precious snowflake grows up and realizes that their story is not the best thing since Lord of the Rings that they may look back to those critical reviews and take them to heart and used that information improve their future work. It has happened, hence the trope Old Shame.

        On the guest reviewers, I personally love them and I treat them like I do my sign-in reviewers. To me, rather you have an account or not, if you take the time to review my story, you have my thanks. I also answer questions from my guests and even got some of them to make an account just show they could PM me and have a back and forward. I do this through author notes which can get long. But what I do is put my stories on AO3 when it is completed and take the notes out so people can read and download the pure story.

        But, to each their own.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 2:38 pm

        I feel this argument comes up so much because writers forget that this site is not just for them.

        Bingo. I’ve seen some people spout off that a writer should have complete control over the review section of their story because it belongs to them as it is their story. To me though that is like arguing that the reviews on Amazon belong to them as well. They don’t.

        I am very careful about letting through what I know is moronic critique because in the same regard it isn’t fair to make the readers listen to some of the drivel these people post. The best way to put it is there are two characters in canon that think of each other as siblings and even grew up but many of the people who ship them like to ignore all canon that indicates they are like siblings and like telling others that the pairing is canon or even semi-canon.

         
      • hpstar202

        10/18/2013 at 12:07 am

        I read the reviews a lot too when I am looking at stories. I agree that writers should not just delete something because the don’t like it. That said bulling can get bad. I have read stories were reviews can get very insulting. There was one stories where the author said that English was not her first language and that she want help improving her writing. There were some guest review where people where insulting the writer’s intelligence and were rude. The story’s grammar need work. I notice some problems and I am really bad at grammar. that said the plot was good that author ended up deleting it. which was a shame as with some work it could be good. I know people think that some people are just to sensitive and maybe they are but there is a time when bulling does get out of hand. That said I agree with you about not letting the author have complete control over reviews. I just think that cursing someone out is not need nor helpful and I think the admins should take bulling completes more seriously. I do not write stories, I just read but I have had to deal with a lot of bulling for my reading and writing problems.

         
    • Lynn Hollander

      10/17/2013 at 9:46 am

      Praise or flame, not all reviews are valid, signed or not. It depends on the reviewer. I’ve received some reviews that clearly show the reader wasn’t paying attention; some other reviews are completely off-topic. I don’t pay attention to them or rewrite, signed or unsigned.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 2:25 pm

        According to you the reviews calling you out for posting chapters as individual stories is invalid because these stories you clearly label are story arcs. You then proceeded to accuse the people calling you out of not knowing what a story arc is. The words “story arc” and “chapters are not synonyms for each other.

        Mind you… there is no problem with calling someone out, but there is also a point where you go overboard with it.

         
      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/19/2013 at 7:22 am

        Thank you. You said it better than I could. There are some negative reviews I’d like to delete because they are not really reflective of the fic. Like, the reviewer clearly hadn’t read the entire thing or posted another review to revise his/her opinion after finishing the story. I did respond to those reviews, but didn’t get replies back.

        I think reviews do belong to authors. We should have the right to delete if we wish. Even if our work is derivative, readers are commenting on our ideas and style. I do understand about using reviews to gauge the overall quality of a fic, but that’s not always going to reflect what one personally thinks. I have used reviews to see if I’d like a fic, but then started reading it only to find I didn’t really agree with an author’s viewpoint on characterization or plausibility. Readers do not need other readers to tell them what they will or will not like. Reviews are gifts to an author; as such, the author should be able to do with them as they see fit.

         
      • seila

        10/21/2013 at 1:54 am

        I’ve revised my opinion about stories and said as much in my reviews more than once. I would be extremely insulted if someone decided to delete my previous opinion. I can only see authors shooting themselves in the foot if given this power.

         
  37. LC

    10/17/2013 at 9:34 am

    The reviews should not be easily manipulated by the writers. I am one, writer that is. And although there are those people out there who simply like being morons for the sake of being morons, most of the times they only make a fool out of themselves. I even have kept so far all the guest reviews (even the less nice ones and it even have made few readers talk against those reviewers. either in their review or pm) and give my replies(polite) through the author comments. However… it would be nice if with the report system or whatever, we could however get rid of the worse kind of reviews (spam, full of nasty stuff not fit for younger people’s eyes and ears and so on… so far I haven’t had any of those, but others have…)

     
    • Lynn Hollander

      10/17/2013 at 9:49 am

      I’ve kept all reviews, except one: years ago someone left a rebuttal to a review of mine. That was too off-topic. I do feel that all reviews and other comments, good or bad, about a story should be public.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 2:16 pm

        This comes across as highly hypocritical as your constantly leaving public rebuttals on the reviews left on your own stories and have basically turned your review section into a forum of sorts, not to mention the fact I’ve seen you publicly humiliate people by leaving reviews on their stories that are also off topic.

         
    • knotothedrk

      10/17/2013 at 9:50 am

      Yeah…see, that’s the only issue i have with the abuse report system as far as reviews go…if they won’t take care of them properly, then it should fall on the writer to determine what is and is not abuse…only because someone has to do it, and if the admins won’t, the writer should have that right.

      Now if the abuse reports are properly seen to, and the completely asinine review/flames/bullies are taken care of…then I don’t mind keeping reviews as they are…

      But really, as much as the site is for readers and writers…the readers have to agree, that without the writers, they’d have nothing to read…so while some writers are rotten daises, not all of them are…just like not all reviews are critically reviewing in bad taste…some of them honestly want to help, and just lack tact in how to properly say something…

      Regardless, this is a double edged sword…and there is no “right” or “wrong” solution to that.

       
      • Jordanna

        10/18/2013 at 12:34 am

        I have to agree with this. I’ve had a signed review or two that I wanted removed because it dropped profane language, or it was “please come read MY fic!” spam–but there was never the slightest response to my complaints to the site. If no one else is going to attend to reviews that are legitimately inappropriate or offensive, then please give me the power to deal with it myself.

        As for reviews helping readers decide what to read: the big problem I’ve run into with this is people mentioning major spoilers in their reviews. This actually taught me *not* to read reviews before the story. An extreme example (unfortunately on one of my own stories) is what I presume was just a none-too-bright young reader, whose one-line reaction to every chapter was roughly, “Oh, wow, [spoiler] happened!”–which could just ruin it for those who look at reviews first. Honestly, I think this points out that there can be issues with reviews that require familiarity with the story itself to understand, making site admins/overseers less than helpful in those cases.

        Meanwhile, this whole topic remains a million miles from the current pressing issues of copy-paste and the flawed “pairing mode” scheme. If these problems aren’t fixed, and/or bad ideas keep being implemented, FFN might end up with a user exodus–resulting in a lot less reviews to argue about the removal of.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/18/2013 at 10:17 am

        Yes, this is a thorny situation, isn’t it?

        /sigh…this goes back to not enough man power for FFN…and trying to appeal to far more people than they can handle at once….their site may be able to hold all of the stories/users with no problem… but likely, they’re swimming in reports and with all of these new features they’re trying to put into place to make us happy, they can’t see they’re actually making matters worse….not to mention more complicated for themselves and others.

        Some bells and whistles are nice, but only if they take the time to implement them properly…and if people can’t utilize them, due to no copy/highlight being unusable, then I fear for the website.

         
    • BBK

      10/17/2013 at 1:16 pm

      Reviews shouldn’t be manipulated by the readers either. For years, this is how it’s been. It’s by time writers received at least a degree of control. Their stories are the reason people come here.

      This is a fanfiction site. Too many people think it’s a brainstorming website. Most people are here to share their interest in a show, not to have people tear apart their work. I know there are a lot of wannabe editors on here, but that’s not what a review is for. That’s what an editor for. This is not an editing service website. This is a fanficiton website. A review should provide feedback about the story, not a school teacher shaming his students. Reviews often times turn into a pairing war. For some reason, people like to abuse reviews, but we can end that easily by letting writers delete those flames. It sucks for some readers, but that’s the consequence you’re going to have to face if the majority of the readers are abusive.

      Ultimately, fanficiton is supposed to be fun. Instead, it’s turned into a hateful conduit and people like you are encouraging this behavior.

       
    • yemi hikari

      10/17/2013 at 2:21 pm

      As I writer I’ve had to make the choice that the morons shall limit themselves to signed accounts as I’ve had anonymous reviewers try and spam my stories and I don’t feel that is fare to the readers. That or the review is sexually explicit content that younger readers should not see.

       
    • bienfait

      10/17/2013 at 2:52 pm

      The only review I have ever removed was an unsigned four-word insult directed at another reviewer, which had absolutely nothing to do with the story.

       
  38. Quincy

    10/17/2013 at 10:49 am

    Knot hits it on the head. Your arguments for abuse reports aren’t valid when the admins of the site aren’t doing their job. I highly doubt every single admin for the site is a busy developer. And prior to all these updates the past years, they have no excuse the prior two years when I was sending in reports and nothing was happening .

     
    • Birdymain

      10/17/2013 at 11:16 am

      I would gladly process abuse reports just to have them processed. Lol, t’s a little scary thinking just how many there are backed up.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/17/2013 at 11:29 am

        I think a lot of users would help if needed….and, their intentions might be in the right place…but, if users were to start dealing with those things themselves, I would fear about the person’s ability to remain impartial….we all have friends on this site, and I would fear particular advantages might be given here or there…and that wouldn’t be very helpful.

        if we ever need to think about resorting to that on a deep level…we might as well let everyone moderate their own reviews entirely….unfortunately…as it stands, FFN simply needs more man power, the site is simply too big.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/17/2013 at 2:44 pm

        I think it would be better if it was a set users who randomly got a set of abuse reports to deal with them without bias getting in the way.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 4:18 pm

        The big question here is how would the site admins decide which members of the site would be allowed to go through abuse reports? For example, give someone like Flame Rising the power to delete reviews as reports came in and they would never get deleted. On the other side you have people who would delete reviews that didn’t constitute flames as they personally believe that reviews should always, always point out something nice (which you can’t always do) of that you should point out no more then three things, or that the term Mary Sue is obsolete or even those who subscribe to the theory that there is no such thing as a wrong way to do something so anything beyond grammar would be deleted.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/17/2013 at 4:58 pm

        You make good points, but it’s either there are no admins processing reports or they are so few that they look after other things as well. Just how many reports are piling up? I know I sent a couple reports in for MA content that still have not been dealt with. Why not allow a few users who frequent FF.net process the reports.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/17/2013 at 4:58 pm

        ** I know I sent a couple reports in last month

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/17/2013 at 7:30 pm

        Hoping this rubbish of a reply button works…. *growls incoherently at the button in question.*

        I personally don’t think and writer, or reviewer on the site should be granted access to reports. Random or not, it’s simply bad taste on the site’s behalf, because at that point, there’s an unknown factor of how a person will respond to the reports…power generally goes to people’s heads…not everyone…but enough people, that I can’t say I would proclaim to put any faith into the community as an entirety, if reports were at our discretion at all.

        The thing about letting an author do it, is that they normally hurt themselves if they delete reviews. People notice, and if that weren’t enough, the fact remains that every writer has a sort of style about them…and if that style is to your liking, you’ll follow them…and if it’s not you’ll avoid them.

        I’m not saying that reviews can’t be insightful…or that PM’s can’t be filled with friendly banter back and forth…because majority of the people I run into are civil, logical beings…even so though, give the majority any sort of power, and I’d fear for the site…

        “Just cause” is a powerful thing, and a very fine line…as individual writers, it’s one thing to deal with their own reviews…but, when it comes to the all encompassing reports, that shouldn’t be touched by the users…there’s too much ego involved.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 9:41 pm

        I don’t think either option is a good option in the long run.

         
    • seila

      10/17/2013 at 7:55 pm

      I hardly think leaving the review section at the mercy of a writer is a good solution. What’s the point of leaving a review if some whimsy author will just delete it? I do not review often, but whenever I do, I take a great deal of effort to be as constructive and meticulous as possible. And I love seeing other reviewers do the same. I adore the review sections almost as much as stories. Seeing what other people think of writing like this is pure gold to a learning writer, and I don’t want that taken away.

      The review section is the second best thing about this website.

      And yes, there are abusive cases, but should the entire sanctity of the review section suffer for the wrongs of very, very small minority? Really. The majority of the ff net’s community seems exceedingly well behaved. I’ve seen nasty, cutting shams of reviews before, but they’re few and far between. Less than one in a hundred.

      And I’ve seen authors gracefully accept critique and hand it out in exchange, then blow up and throw a tantrum because someone dared to insinuate that her OC was a Mary Sue. The way she put it, you’d have thought it was a terrible flame, but I’d gotten a peek at the review before she took it down, and it had even complimented her OC’s personality! Then he went on and gave her several tactful suggestions on how to remedy the character’s most Sue-like traits.

      This tantrum came from someone who knew how to critique.

      I would never, ever trust writers to manage their own review sections.

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/17/2013 at 8:19 pm

        I’d rather it be the writer than some random site member though…if we’re choosing between one of two evils…

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 9:39 pm

        I’ve seen similar anonymous reviews in the past that the writer tried painting as something else. What will happen if the writer themselves can delete said reviews is not only will they delete said reviews but it will also be easier to outright spread lies about the reviewer.

        I’ve already had someone come onto this blog and personally accuse me of attacking stories that have less reviews then mine and yet I know that a good deal of the stories review wise can’t match what I have review wise. They should have known this statement wasn’t true when they tried to get people hear riled up against me and yet they still tried lying.

        So to me neither is a good option.

         
      • seila

        10/18/2013 at 12:57 am

        Yes, random members with that kind of power would be a very scary thing.

        Although all this mention about the community helping with abuse reports reminds me of a popular online game, infamous for having one of the worst communities in gaming history. One of the systems the admins there created to help deal with all the reports was a judgment hall. Established members could become part of a jury. (I should mention that you really did need to be well established. It took about two hundred matches on your account to even have the privilege to look at this thing.)

        In this jury, members look at cases, see the full chat history, scoreboard, item picks, and the filed complaints of the every player who had reported this person. All of this was done under complete anonymity, and you never received a case in which you were personally involved. The vote itself was quite simple: should this player be punished? Yes or no.

        If enough people voted yes, the case was forwarded to the admins.

        Admittedly, this is a slight tangent. However, for sake of ideas, I thought it fitting to give an example of what other administrations with way to much of their plate are doing.

         
      • seila

        10/18/2013 at 1:16 am

        yemi – That’s a much more unfortunate case. You’ve certainly seen much more of this site’s dark side than most people. Deletion like that is rather reminiscent of skilled forum trolls, actually. For most of the stories you tell, I can only shake my head.

        The case I brought up with the touchy author and her memorable Sue. . . Well, her plan to portray the anon reviewer as a villainous fiend actually backfired. She made a fuss about the review before taking it down so her entire following saw it. Her little drama estranged her readers instead. It was a fitting fate. It’d be nice if all these other cases were so easily resolved.

        P.S. Then means when. Than is for comparison.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/18/2013 at 1:17 am

        Well, thoroughly destroying my idea. XD Lol. Regardless, I do wonder how many actual admins does FF.net actually have?

         
  39. bloodsong

    10/17/2013 at 10:58 am

    when i want to reply to an anonymous review, i just write a review on my own chapter. i have a couple of signed (but without accounts) guest reviewers that have been following a story, and we have good back and forth.

    it makes the reviews kinda like a forum, and it’s probably against some TOS somewhere to use the reviews in this way. ::sigh:: but it works for me, and doesn’t clutter up author notes by singling out specific people (which i don’t like to read in author notes).

     
    • Lynn Hollander

      10/17/2013 at 11:07 am

      ‘Review’ is used twice in TOS, each time in reference to TOS, not stories.
      I agree that the place for a response to a review is with the review.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 2:14 pm

        As we’ve already told you. It is still bad etiquette even if there is no rule against it as that a review system is for leaving reviews, not replies to reviews.

         
  40. Trudes193

    10/17/2013 at 11:45 am

    I don’t know if this is on topic, but if someone was using your name to publically humiliate you, would that count as abuse?

    I have received a few bad reviews from people, people telling me my story is crap and so on. But I don’t think we should be able to choose what we keep, I have a friend who reviewed a story and was quite blunt with the author on how to improve their story, only to get personal messages from said author and all her happy little sheep.

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/17/2013 at 11:51 am

      …yes I would say, public humiliation is abuse…because that’s not pointing out a flaw to the writer…that’s saying “Hey everyone come look at this!” It’s like pointing to a little kid who wet their pants… people shouldn’t be laughing at them for it…

      see, that’s the problem as well..writers can also be abusive…it’s not just the reviewers…but that’s why I firmly believe it’s a two way street, and if abuse can’t be handled among the admins…the writers should have some say…

      and, unfortunately…a reviewer has to do so with a grain of salt… if they reply bluntly…or rudely…they might get a reply in kind…and people all read differently…what some consider harsh, others find mild…what some find to be flaming, others simply think is a harsh review…

      These are all factors that contribute to the problem at hand.

       
    • Birdymain

      10/17/2013 at 1:09 pm

      I got an author who tried to do that to me. It is abuse because if people actually believes it my own credibility goes down. Then again it does go the other way too.. They start making themselves look like idiots by doing it too.

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 2:01 pm

        I’ve had people go so far as to create sock puppet accounts. Both were stubborn and wanted to believe that they were right about things. I had my brother look at the PMs and reviews for one of them to confirm if the person was contradicting themselves and he confirmed they didn’t know what they were talking about. Another… well, they tried critiquing me from their main account and when I tried countering their logic twice I found that the person either had poor logic skills or they were so stuck on the idea of them being right. Considering the fact they thought my deleting of the anonymous reviews was me hacking them…

         
      • Birdymain

        10/17/2013 at 2:29 pm

        Lol. That’s funny.

        All I did was point out demanding reviews for a porn scene is wrong and will get their story reported. Which a day later it was deleted.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/17/2013 at 2:40 pm

        I applaud bluntness, provided that the bluntness in question is at least logical…

        I’m sure all seen at least one review that was both blunt, and ignorant…and those are usually comical more than anything…I could see an author wanting to delete a review that made absolutely no sense to a story what-so ever.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 4:06 pm

        I’ve had to deal with blunt and ignorant reviews a lot mostly because the writer of said review was critiqued by me before and they wanted to try and prove I couldn’t take critique like I dish it out. Unfortunately these people also don’t want to believe that they’re wrong and will keep making the argument that they’re not the one who is wrong and in denial of being wrong but you are.

        The second person I mentioned? Well, they finally decided to create a sock puppet account and quoted someones summary for a particular light novel for canon to prove their point. Instead I told them…

        a.) posting spoilers for what constitutes unreleased material for English is rude (and if it had been an anonymous review I would have deleted it so my readers couldn’t see it)
        b.) the light novels for Manga are not canon and are known to at times contradict canon
        c.) what they posted didn’t prove their point but mine… and this was part of a summary someone else wrote

        The response they gave me back was that while they were sorry that they spoiled it for my reviewers they were not sorry that they spoiled it for me and that they were laughing at me getting angry because they were right and I was wrong. This was after I countered their points mind you and what I was mad at was the posting of spoilers in the reviews like they did.

         
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/17/2013 at 1:13 pm

      @Trudes193: Hence my very liberal use of the block button. I pointed out to someone that their story was copyright infringement, and then their little buddy flamed me in PMs. Yes, that can be reported as well.

      @knotothedrk: Being blunt does not equal being rude. There is a world of difference, and unfortunately, most people do not comprehend it. If you’ve ever seen the show, think Bones in the first two seasons. She was blunt as a spoon, but she was never rude.

       
      • BBK

        10/17/2013 at 1:21 pm

        The problem is, we only get one side of the story and people never want to make themselves look bad. When someone claims they were being blunt, they were mostly likely being downright rude.

        Of course, “I hate this” is blunt. People might consider that rude also because it’s not constructive criticism. It’s a blunt statement intended to ruin someone’s day.

         
      • Trudes193

        10/18/2013 at 9:18 am

        That’s true, and I understand where you are coming from, but when I say blunt I don’t mean the person said that ‘I hate this?’ They said that they needed to show more pov’s, because there is too much angst. I don’t know if that seems rude, I’ve had and seen much worse than that. And the person they were reviewing is not a very nice person if you don’t agree that their story is brilliant. I know you are getting one side, and I am sorry if this is coming across as rude replying to you.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

        I’ve had to explain to people that being blunt is a sign that a person is being rude to you but instead it is the exact opposite. Then again I’ve also had to explain to me pulling apart their work is not the same as me picking on them.

         
      • knotothedrk

        10/17/2013 at 1:40 pm

        …my point is, it all comes down to interpretation of what blunt and what rude is..

        to give an example, I can literally call my good buddy a dingbat to get his attention (you need to, trust me, he’s the kind of guy that doesn’t listen to his name when you address him the first three times)…and he just considers that blunt…but some people might find that offensive….granted, I would never call someone that over the FFN, but you get the idea…..so using that example, someone might say:

        “Hey dingbat, fix your grammar!”

        I would consider the above rude to people who don’t know me, my friends, and our sense of humor…and I wouldn’t put that into a review of someone who doesn’t know me for that reason, because it could be seen as abusive…and taken out of context.

        Then you have people who say “Fix your grammar…it sucks.” yet, these people may not give examples…or they continue just troll around, complaining…I wouldn’t say that’s abusive per say…but, I doubt it would be well received…I don’t pay a lick of attention to complaining without reasoning or examples… mainly because I have no idea at that point, I have no idea what they’re complaining about directly.

        Alternatively you might say something like “If I may offer a few suggestions, you could improve your grammar by:” and then listing examples of how to fix a few things.

        as you can see, there’s varying degrees of appropriateness, yet all say the same thing…the grammar needs work. That’s what I mean though… it’s all subject to interpretation, and we all have different levels of it.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 2:04 pm

        I have a few people who I know well either because I know them offline or I’ve gotten to know well through fanfiction. One of their comments to me was construed as rude because people didn’t know that I knew this person as well as their odd sense of humor. Same goes with Bones really, some people to this day are a bit taken aback by some of her logic and it can be construed as rude when it really isn’t.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/17/2013 at 2:32 pm

        Biting your lip has been a thing in society for a while. Anytime I’m blunt I’m having people tell me I’m wrong to be so blunt. I think speak your mind or not at all. Tiptoeing around the issue will get no where.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 3:50 pm

        Not only do I agree with you I’ve found people more receptive to criticism when people are blunt with them because sugar coating reviews can actually make them think you’re trying to talk down to them while being blunt and maybe explaining depending on what you’re critiquing and how much depth you can go into it means you’re just being straight forward and honest.

         
      • HeroR

        10/17/2013 at 6:55 pm

        I leave what I consider blunt but fair reviews. I do not sugarcoat when I see something wrong and I will challenged the author on how they decide to do the plot if I think it makes no sense or goes against the nature of the character. Thankfully, I have never been flame. Most take my advise seriously or at least give a reason why they did certain things.

        I can take as well as I get. I only erase one flame review and it was because the guest reviewer said that I was not a true fan.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/17/2013 at 9:30 pm

        I do not sugarcoat when I see something wrong and I will challenged the author on how they decide to do the plot if I think it makes no sense or goes against the nature of the character.

        *rolls eyes*

        I’m reminded that I’ve had writers tell me I’m not allowed to say if there is a plot issue, particularly if they’ve gotten only one chapter in. These are writers who’ve not done much writing and think its impossible to predict where a person is going with their work. Had one recently who doesn’t want to believe that their so called situational AU fanfic is not fanfiction but original fiction. Characters OoC and it has nothing to do with the fandom except for names and looks of characters.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/18/2013 at 1:03 am

        Haha, that reminds me of one Harry Potter fic I saw once. XD

        They changed Harry into a girl, erased their memory, had them raised with different people, in a completely different situation. Didn’t read it but I had to review that that was a big no. I understand creative license but that was going beyond the planet.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/18/2013 at 2:32 pm

        Of course, “I hate this” is blunt. People might consider that rude also because it’s not constructive criticism. It’s a blunt statement intended to ruin someone’s day.

        Yes and no. This honestly depends on the situation. There is a difference between a reviewer who randomly comes in and says they “I hate the story” or “I hate this pairing” and a reviewer whose been reading the story and suddenly says “I hate this turn of event you made”. There is also a difference between a random reader comes in and says “I hate the story” and a random reader who honestly says, “I don’t like this story because it isn’t well written”, or “I don’t like this story because it wasn’t what I was expecting when I clicked to read it.”

        A reader should be able to come out and say they don’t like the sudden change a writer has taken and yet many readers are actually afraid to call writers out because they’re afraid of hurting a persons feelings or being told “don’t like, don’t read” even though they’ve been an avid reader of the writer for a long time.

         
      • seila

        10/18/2013 at 6:40 pm

        My pet peeve actually is “don’t like, don’t read.” It’s so freaking flippant! *scowl*

         
      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/19/2013 at 8:05 am

        @Seila: But it’s true. If one doesn’t enjoy the fic, they should not read it. It is what I do. There are many other choices. I mean, no one should be forced to eat something they don’t like. Reading is the same way. Still, I have never used that retort in a reply or a story summary.

        Speaking of summaries, my pet peeve is, “I suck at summaries.” I *hate* that! Authors should just describe what’s in the proverbial box, with warnings for mature or sensitive content. People will find their way to the fic and read it. If authors say they can’t describe their own work, I assume they are unqualified and won’t read their fic, versus an honest description that at least makes them look skilled and credible.

         
    • yemi hikari

      10/17/2013 at 2:08 pm

      It depends. In your friends case it is abuse. However, for flamers like Flame Rising and The Flaming Fox calling them out publicly is not abuse. Had to tell a lot of people to ignore Flame Rising when they were rampaging about.The story featuring Flame Rising being killed though did constitute abuse.

       
  41. knotothedrk

    10/17/2013 at 2:41 pm

    …I am starting to hate these reply buttons…

     
    • Birdymain

      10/17/2013 at 2:49 pm

      Only starting?

       
      • knotothedrk

        10/17/2013 at 3:08 pm

        …okay, REALLY wanting to hate them…

         
      • seila

        10/18/2013 at 12:39 am

        It certainly doesn’t help that some of these conversations branch off into these multifaceted monstrosities either. Not exactly the best learning ground. You’ll get it eventually :)

        Just remember, always go up, check the margin (it’d be nice if the nesting was a bit more obvious), and disregard where the reply box opens because it lies like scorned bacon.

         
  42. silverlions

    10/17/2013 at 3:17 pm

    i cant access my account on my iphone using safari? why is that.i was able to do so a couple days ago

     
  43. Trudes193

    10/17/2013 at 5:49 pm

    I’ve managed to block the author, and the people PMing me though I’m sure they are mostly dummy accounts. However my friend confronted the author about the chapter with the humiliating, and asked the author to change the name, only to get a PM back stating how the PM was hostile, rude, and threatening, and how they think it is me being their personal delusional little stalker.

    Is this normal? And does asking for a name to be change, sound like threatening?

     
    • Trudes193

      10/17/2013 at 6:27 pm

      I’m sorry if I have been sounding like a whiny so and so, and I’m also sorry if I am talking complete nonsense and stupidity.

       
      • Birdymain

        10/18/2013 at 1:01 am

        Never feel stupid for a bully.

         
      • Trudes193

        10/18/2013 at 7:50 am

        I’ve reported them, I’m just hoping admin read my emails and do something.

         
    • Birdymain

      10/17/2013 at 6:35 pm

      Ignore the author. Doing that is the only way to make them go away. Lol, reply back I’m blocking you first. :)

      Never heard the name change thing, we all have personal number, changing name means nothing.

      You can also report them too.

       
    • yemi hikari

      10/17/2013 at 9:25 pm

      It’s normal. The best thing is to ultimately give them the cold shoulder and see if they go away first. Also since you believe that they are using sock puppets send a report into the site admins with your suspicions asking them to look into the matter.

      Ignoring a bully though isn’t always the best option and sometimes its good to also publicly call them out. Wording is important though as is going back to ignoring said bully and not having your readers go and attack them.

       
  44. Quincy

    10/17/2013 at 9:22 pm

    Kind of really wish they fixed these wonky time stamps. XD.

     
  45. Emily

    10/17/2013 at 10:44 pm

    can we at least get the copy and paste back its been way too long of a wait for a decision.

     
  46. Kinola

    10/17/2013 at 11:30 pm

    I can’t seem to highlight the text in stories from my Mac computer now…could someone please see something about this?

     
    • Jordanna

      10/18/2013 at 12:46 am

      FFN has deliberately disabled copy/paste, in the hugely mistaken idea that it will help prevent plagiarism. This in spite of massive user protest, which you can see in the replies to the last couple of update blog posts. (Various workarounds are discussed in those posts as well.)

       
      • Birdymain

        10/18/2013 at 12:55 am

        Only a couple work now. Specifically the disable all CCS styles one. I’ve worked a different way around because they changed the script that disables highlighting. You can still find it through searching for copy though.

         
      • yemi hikari

        10/18/2013 at 2:24 pm

        It still doesn’t prevent plagiarism. Even if every work around method so people can copy is taken away there is still the oldest trick in the book, transcribing by hand.

         
    • Birdymain

      10/18/2013 at 12:59 am

      Only a couple work now. Specifically the disable all CCS styles one. I’ve worked a different way around because they changed the script that disables highlighting. You can still find it through searching for copy though.

       
      • Trudes193

        10/18/2013 at 7:38 am

        I’m kinda scared of messing with things in case they shut down my account.

         
      • Birdymain

        10/18/2013 at 12:54 pm

        Never said I did it for my writing. And they wouldn’t know if it was disabled. Lol.

         
      • seila

        10/18/2013 at 6:43 pm

        Really? I think you just told them, Birdy. :P

         
  47. BBK

    10/18/2013 at 3:28 am

    I have a lot of valid points to make. I think it’s unfair that my comments are “moderated” and never posted. How will we get an unbiased opinion when you only get one point of view posted? I’ve made comments about no copy and reviews and other updates, but the only comments that are permitted on this blog are from the same 5 people. I wonder how many other comments are just “deleted.”

    This is unfair. I don’t want a dialogue between the same 5 people. It’s predictable. Everyone wants to be heard. We need to hear the voices of all the users. At least ten of my comments were never posted. Everything I ever written was reasonable, yet people with hateful insults were allowed to bumble through.

    Now the same people think their opinions are the majority, but that’s just not true. There are so much we want to discuss, but we can’t say it because it’s deleted. I’m an active voice at ffnet, but you would never know it because I’m censored. I don’t even know why I’m censored!

    So, if I’m being ignored, how many others are ignored as well??? There are hundred of thousands of people using ffnet, but I’m supposed to believe that only 5 of them post on the blog?! Am I seriously expected to believe that? I hope other people realize something fishy is going on. We have a discussion about this on Livejournal. I don’t know why, but our comments don’t make it on this blog. And it’s A LOT of comments!

    I know yemi, Birdymain, fems, mudblood, etc, I’m sure you’re all great people, but it’s frustrating that us “little folk” can’t say a dang thing here. You are all having a conversation amongst yourselves and we are not allowed in. So many comments are never posted.

     
    • knotothedrk

      10/18/2013 at 9:58 am

      I’ve thought this too, so I agree with you…it sits at the back of my mind sometimes.

       
    • Lynn Hollander

      10/18/2013 at 10:24 am

      So how did this get here?
      When I was correcting my name, my comments were moderated. They eventually were posted, but it did take time. Your comment was posted; check the time stamp if you remember when you wrote it for the time gap.

       
    • fems

      10/18/2013 at 10:52 am

      That’s odd. Perhaps it’s something you’re doing differently from us, considering I haven’t done anything special and as far as I’m aware none of my comments have ever been moderated and are visible right after posting.

      I’m not logged into any of the accounts and am simply posting this under my (typed) name, so perhaps that makes a difference?

       
    • Birdymain

      10/18/2013 at 12:59 pm

      O.o That is extremely weird. I remember a lot more people at the start of this. . . I was wondering why we weren’t getting more people.

       
    • seila

      10/18/2013 at 2:20 pm

      You’re in now.

      I remember my first week or so of posting was entirely moderated as well, but really, your comments weren’t deleted. They just arrived extremely late. Earlier in this blog’s life, you’d see several topics that would literally double in post counts after Xing got around to moderating, and all the time stamps were old.

      It’s annoying, but at least we don’t get commercial bots in here ’cause of it.

       
    • yemi hikari

      10/18/2013 at 2:22 pm

      When did you start posting comments? This is an honest question because if you started posting between the times that the site admins do updates to the blog and you aren’t yet recognized then your comments will not show up until the site admins have a chance to confirm that you’re not some bot.

      When I first started posting to the blog every single one of my comments was monitored as well. That’s also why there is a sudden major increase in the number of comments on some of the blogs after the admins update. I’m also going to add that having your comments monitored is not an act of censorship but the actual deletion of said comments is. Were comments actually deleted?

       
      • yemi hikari

        10/18/2013 at 2:43 pm

        P.S. Only finding one comment other then this one from you so it is quite possible. No clue why the comments were deleted or if they’re still being monitored.

         
  48. MonstarzGirl

    10/18/2013 at 6:09 am

    It’s getting annoying about the no copy/paste/highlighting feature being gone. I use the highlighting feature to help see if I made grammatical/spelling errors on a story I wrote, then go back to fixed it. I also use it for reading fat paragraphs people write in blobs without any spacing.

    A lot of users are offended about this. Even people with eyesight problems like dyslexia are miffed about this, too.

     
  49. C. P-Rochford

    10/20/2013 at 11:57 pm

    I can’t believe what I have read from the comments. “create a font to help blind and dyslexic read”. I am one of many people who use a “reading” program when I want to enjoying a fanfic. Which means I need to copy and paste the story into the program. Something which currently I cannot do unless I use some features that thankfully come with fire fox.

    Let me pose this question; If you don’t use a ramp, does it mean we take it away? Of course not. Many people used ramps even you when you are tired. The same goes for copy and pasting. A lot of people use that feature and what bugs me the most is that the admins aren’t even admitting that is it gone (this should be stated clearly on the site, not in a blog entry) also explanations should be given for the change.

     
  50. Rose

    10/23/2013 at 12:38 am

    Wow, the other readers/writers are super friendly here. It’s a real wonder why not everyone makes it through a whole blog and all the comments to get all the info. The insults just aren’t worth it. I haven’t found a good fix for it where I can still use the chapter button as well. I hope it’s a bug because if not you can still copy and paste the whole document and paste it on a Word doc and then copy what you want. Plagiarism still wins and the readers lose. I like to highlight the occasional world and right click on it to google it. Sometimes I want the definition or more info on it.

     

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