Stats Update

21 Dec

Historical stats for stories and misc have now caught up and the previous issue of delayed stats have been resolved.

We put in some overtime to make sure it was fixed asap so members can celebrate the holidays together with their beloved bar charts.


Posted by on 12/21/2012 in Uncategorized


201 responses to “Stats Update

  1. Eevy Shepard (@cmdr_eevy)

    12/21/2012 at 11:30 am

    I do love my bar charts.

  2. Nayrael

    12/21/2012 at 2:21 pm

    Good…for a moment I thought Mayans were talking about the disappearance of our beloved bar charts… phew.

  3. cmcwiki

    12/21/2012 at 4:02 pm

    Something new you guys can add.
    Because plagiarism is such a big thing, we need a way to prove that it has occurred and who was plagiarized. My idea is to list the chapter upload dates for each chapter of each story. That way people will be tell who was copied so that the victim won’t be the one who is punished

    • Shawnesty

      12/21/2012 at 5:54 pm

      I agree with that. Publish dates on individual chapters is a great way to prove whose story came first. Would also be nice if something was actually done when a case of plagiarism is reported. I had a fairly large section of one of my stories lifted word for word by another “writer” and even though my friends and I kept reporting the theft to the site, nothing was done about it. The site also did nothing when the “writer’s” fans (sock accounts) began attacking me because I called the “author” out on their theft, even though we reported those, too. The “writer” finally left the site, but since the administrators did nothing to them and they weren’t blocked from ever posting on here again, they’ve returned to the site under a new name and different fandom, and dollars to donuts it’s only a matter of time before they begin plagiarising in that fandom.

    • veni0vidi0vici

      12/21/2012 at 8:30 pm

      I have a feeling that FFN staff keeps track of what the date and time of chapter upload. After all, FFN gives their users access to their stats and lots of beloved bar graphs. It would only make sense that a site like this would keep track of something like that in order to prevent plagiarism problems.
      For a site dedicated to prose, FFN rather loves the numbers.
      If you’re having problems other site users, it’s probably just to report the plagiarism, don’t be provoked by the one who plagiarized, and wait for administration to take care of it. 🙂

    • Lurker

      12/21/2012 at 9:46 pm

      I voted for this as well. Beside from the plagiarism (cmcwiki and Shawnesty said it well so there is no need for me to add in my two cents), it’d also be a good guilt tripper/motivation for those who don’t really update all of that much! *guiltily raise a hand here*

      So here’s my tally for the chapter date!

    • yemi hikari

      12/23/2012 at 10:08 pm

      While I like the idea, I actually do see a problem. After a chapter has been published a person can replace it with an updated chapter. On one side, a plagiarist could simply go in and replace an older story with another persons story using this method. On the other side, if there was a stamp date whenever the chapter was edited, writers who are trying to edit their stories run a higher risk of being plagiarized. While it isn’t recommended that people edit their stories, sometimes it is needed.

    • Lord Kelvin

      12/24/2012 at 10:12 am

      FFN gives every story an ID number. Likewise, every chapter has a text ID. A plagiarised story would have a higher ID number, making the copy obvious.

      In short, if you file a plagiarism claim, the admins will have the dates. No need for a vote.

      • Phalanx

        12/24/2012 at 1:32 pm

        Not very full-proof though. There’s nothing stopping someone from taking an old story with an older ID than the original story, and replacing the text of the old story with the ‘plagiarised’ content, then claim that they created that work first and the original was the plagiarist.

    • Lynn Hollanfer.

      12/28/2012 at 12:40 pm

      Is plagiarism really so frequent?

      • Shawnesty

        12/28/2012 at 3:44 pm

        You bet it is! In less than a year’s time, I’ve had three of my stories plagiarised, including one word-for-word theft of an entire passage. I’ve also seen it happen in several other realms. So it’s definitely a problem that isn’t going to go away until the site starts cracking down on plagiarists.

  4. Snow

    12/21/2012 at 6:51 pm

    How about adding more limit to the docs?
    Instead of 50 maybe you can change it to allow at least 100?

    • Xing

      12/21/2012 at 10:07 pm

      The limit is there so people don’t use it as a backup tool when it is not.

  5. veni0vidi0vici

    12/21/2012 at 8:12 pm

    Beloved bar charts. Oh that made my day. I shall go look at said beloved bar charts just because they’re no longer delayed.
    Personally, I had no idea that they were delayed. But it was awesome of you guys to work on this before some users even took notice! 🙂

    • Guest

      12/21/2012 at 11:03 pm

      I got a hearty laugh at the beloved bar charts, too. In all honesty, they are more pleasant to spend the holidays with that most of my nutty relatives. 🙂

      • Guest

        12/21/2012 at 11:05 pm

        *than* not that — my fingers are getting coal in their stocking this year, lol.

  6. lerukia

    12/22/2012 at 12:32 am

    Thank you for all your hard work… happy Holidays

  7. eniichiruki

    12/22/2012 at 2:12 am

    how to submit a story to
    fanfiction. I need help

    • ShikiKira

      12/28/2012 at 3:43 am

      Go to your account. This is all under the Publish tab. Select guidelines, agree to said guidelines after reading them. Then go to Doc Manager. Upload the file for your story. Now go to New Story, and select story category, characters, genre, file, and write out your summary.
      Simple and easy.

  8. While

    12/22/2012 at 5:50 am

    Okay, you seriously need to get off your lazy butts and take this down. Maybe it’s time you started looking over the fandoms to make sure that there aren’t more ‘stories’ like this.

    • MMC

      12/22/2012 at 3:06 pm

      As annoying as that is, you’re always going to get a troll making stories like that in any fandom to annoy the actual writers. Just keep on reporting and be patient. As others have stated from time to time, the site admins get many abuse reports. I don’t know how they look them over, but they do get to them.

    • yemi hikari

      12/23/2012 at 10:10 pm

      What the person above me said. This is minor compared to some of the other stories that have been reported to the site admins. Like all of the 1D stories out there.

    • Lynn Hollanfer.

      12/28/2012 at 12:43 pm

      I think more to the point is DON’T REVIEW. It’s not often we see such an obvious Attention Getting Mechanism.

      • Lynn Hollander.

        12/29/2012 at 12:54 am

        wrong name.

  9. Donny Sterbinszky

    12/22/2012 at 5:57 am

    Can we also have a better tablet support? Sometimes i need to edit a longer text and the following happens:
    Selecting text behaves weird on fanfiction. On any other site it works fine… but only here when i hold my finger on a word, it selects it fine, but when i want to drag the selection by the blue arrows, it spazzes out, and moves to the top of the edit window… and wont move from there. From there on,no matter which arrow i want to drag, they vanish for a second, only to appear back at the top of the edit window.
    I am on android browser. And have no custom applications installed.

  10. metsfan101

    12/22/2012 at 2:18 pm

    Happy Holidays and thank you for this amazing website

  11. Monica Rae Jennings

    12/23/2012 at 9:43 pm

    I would really appreciate it if the mobile version of had a section where we can post and upload chapters/stories so we can edit any time. Same goes with the profile. Whenever we would have a problem with our computers. We can just update from our phone/iPod.

    • ShikiKira

      12/28/2012 at 3:36 am

      You can do that by switching to the desktop version of the site on your phone. That’s how I work around it.

  12. Phalanx

    12/24/2012 at 1:33 pm

    Out of curiosity, did the downtime have anything to do with the sudden influx of spammers we’ve been getting on the site? The forums seem to be overrun with them, they’re mostly done by new FFN accounts.

    Is there some way to flag those spamming accounts?

  13. koiinune

    12/25/2012 at 2:07 am

    Not sure where to post this but, in the Rules and Guidelines section there is this: 1. Spell check all story and poetry. There is no excuse for not performing this duty. If you do not have a word processor that has the spell checking feature, use a search engine such as to find one.

    I’m sure someone besides me can see the irony in this rule right?

    • Phil

      12/27/2012 at 2:07 pm

      I’m not seeing any irony. Is it because so many people don’t follow this rule?

    • KageNoNeko

      12/27/2012 at 7:55 pm

      Shouldn’t there be a plural in there? That’s not the first time I’ve seen a grammar error on this website.

      • Lynn Hollander.

        12/29/2012 at 3:01 pm

        I just checked –in my access, it is plural.

    • Lynn Hollanfer.

      12/28/2012 at 1:08 pm

      Well, all the words are spelled correctly. I’ve assumed that English may not be the writer’s first language.

    • yemi hikari

      12/28/2012 at 3:49 pm

      I think you’re referring to “story” and how it should be plural? I thought that you weren’t supposed to pluralize story when it is with poetry.

  14. leneodocteur

    12/25/2012 at 4:08 am

    Has the reviews stopped working or something?

  15. Samantha Miskimon

    12/25/2012 at 6:54 pm

    Well, I agree with the plagerism problems. But, I share my account with my two sisters. And one of my sisters read a story. Then I started a story that I thought was quite orignal. I had no idea the story my sister favorited on the account actually was almost exactly like the one I started. Then, the writer of the story my sister read, started attacking me, and accusing me. Then, spread the bad word about my writing. I kept telling her, ‘I didn’t know.’ and ‘I’m sorry.’ I even told her about the way my account is shared, and she kept calling my a quote, ‘F***king plagerising liar.’ I even promised to change the whole direction my story was going -which I did- because I didn’t want her to think I plagerized and that i didn’t mean too. But, she didn’t belive me. I felt really bad, but she kept attacking me. I agree that the problem needs to be fixed, but I don’t know hoe to fix problems like that . . . . .

    • Andie

      12/27/2012 at 6:07 pm

      Well, probably the best thing you could’ve done was just taken your story down from the site if there was any kind of issue with possible plagiarism surrounding it. Most folks I know will not go after another writer and accuse them of plagiarism unless they have pretty solid proof that their work has definitely been stolen. Even if accidental plagiarism happens, which it sounds like that may be your case here, the best thing the accused author can do is apologize to the victim and take their story down. Because if you leave the story up and you get reported either to the site administrators here or to the Live Journal Stop Plagiarism site and those people find that you have committed plagiarism, you will have all of your work deleted from this site and you will have a permanent ban put against your account, plus you will go on a blacklist over on the LJ forum. Don’t even try to change the story or anything, just apologize and take it down from the site, that’s the only suggestion I have for you. I suspect that the reason the other writer kept attacking you was because you likely left the story up with the promise that you would change it, which wasn’t fair to her because if you’d gotten reviews to the story, you were basically taking credit for her work, even if you allegedly imitated it by accident and not on purpose. And writers are a very protective breed, they don’t like to have any of their hard work stolen from them. So the best way to fix your issue it to take the story in question down and not repost it, even with changes made to it, plus I’d advise setting up separate accounts for you and your sisters so that you’re not all on the same account.

      • Andie

        12/27/2012 at 6:14 pm

        Apologies in advance if the above message double-posts, my computer hung up and didn’t seem to send the message, so I retyped and resent it. Sorry for any problems.

      • Lynn Hollanfer.

        12/28/2012 at 1:03 pm

        It is far too easy to accuse an author of plagiarism, and sometimes hard to remember that an accusation is not proof. Frankly, Samantha’s attacker’s reactions seem overly hostile. I cannot agree that Samantha’s inspiration and the other author’s inspiration are connected just because the other author says so. In the universe of works available to writers in English, from Beowulf to Fifty Shades of Gray, there are very few original plots.
        I think the authors should leave their stories up, and let readers view both. I also think Samantha’s attacker should read more widely.

    • Lynn Hollanfer.

      12/28/2012 at 12:50 pm

      This is an example of parallel inspiration. Your attacker must not be very widely read, or he/she would probably have come across similar plots, characters, or even dialogue.
      Coincidences happen, that’s why we have a word for them.

      • Shawnesty

        12/28/2012 at 4:06 pm

        Lynn, I find your rather dismissive attitude towards plagiarism concerning. Perhaps you are not a writer so you don’t know what it’s like to have something you have spent time and energy, not to mention a lot of blood, sweat and tears into producing, get stolen from you by someone who can’t be bothered to try to come up with their own ideas. I’m guessing by the tone of your reply that you are acquainted with Samantha, otherwise how do you know what her attacker’s reactions have been. However, I can tell you that no one I know, myself included, is going to make an accusation of plagiarism against someone without solid proof. I do disagree with Andie, neither the original writer or the one that has been accused of plagiarism should remove their work from the site, the publish dates and story text are very important proof in any investigation into the matter. And I do get the whole “coincidental” plagiarism notion, it does happen in both literature and fanfic, particularly in large realms with a big number of writers populating it, but there is one thing that sticks out as a red flag to me in Samantha’s case that makes me question the veracity of her claim. She admits that a sister that shares her account read and favorited into that account the original author’s story. Theoretically, that indicates that she, as the account holder, had pre-existing knowledge of this story. Since no links to the works in question were provided, I cannot definitively say that she’s innocent or guilty of plagiarism, but surely you can understand how bad it looks if the original author’s story is in Samantha’s favorites and she suddenly is inspired without allegedly reading said story to write a very similar one.

      • Lynn Hollanfer.

        12/29/2012 at 12:48 am

        Shawnesty: I have never met or, as far as I know, read anything by Samantha except her comments above, which is how I know what she has reported about the Allegedly Plagiarized Author(henceforth: APA)’s reactions. If Samantha’s reports are at all accurate, APA comes across as not only rude, but hostile. I have no idea what coincidences in the two stories upset APA, but similar plots and even names are less important than themes, dialogue, actions, and, of course, the writing: as always, the genius is in the details. Frankly, Shawnesty, there is no ‘solid proof’ here. One sister reading a story does not really imply that another sister has gained knowledge of it, and I am not ready to assume Samantha is a liar about that or about the alleged plagiarism. I find it much more probable that APA is overreacting.

        I am a writer, but to the best of my knowledge, I have never been copied by anyone here.

      • Shawnesty

        12/29/2012 at 1:55 am

        Lynn: No offense, but you’re assuming that it’s the author who got plagiarised who is in the wrong here. You seem very intent on disregarding their rights as a writer, claiming that Samantha’s accuser is not widely read and needs to read more, that their work is probably a coincidence in that fandom, effectively dismissing their potential case without even seeing any of the evidence. I agree that the accuser comes off as hostile, but without knowing the circumstances between the two writers or even allegedly not KNOWING the two writers, how can you form an opinion that the accuser is the one that is wrong instead of Samantha? How can you even assume that Samantha is telling the truth in her statement, maybe she was the one who was initially rude to the other writer when the other writer contacted her about the potential plagiarism? There is no “solid proof” of ANYTHING in Samantha’s comments, so without that evidence, why not withhold judgement and stop condemning the other writer as “hostile” and seemingly a liar because you don’t KNOW the other side of the story, all you know is what Samantha has said. Even I am not saying Samantha is guilty or innocent, I’m just pointing out that if she admits she had the story on her favorites list, even if she was not the one who put it there, you can see how suspicious that would look when Samantha comes up with a story very similar to the other writer’s work. It’d be interesting to know if you’d be this cavalier if your own work was plagiarised or if you’d be outraged that someone ripped off your hard work.

      • Cyndie

        12/29/2012 at 2:59 am

        @Lynn: I’ve got to agree with Shawnesty on this one, unless you have access to both stories in question, you can’t claim that it’s coincidence or parallel inspiration, nor can you say that the other author is not widely read/does not read widely across the fandoms, and that they seem hostile to Samantha. We don’t have access to the communication between the author and Samantha, so you’re just blindly taking her word that the other person was hostile and said all those things to her. She just as easily could be making that information up, claiming that the other person called her a “f*cking plagiarising liar” when in reality, maybe all they did was nicely ask that she take her story down. Seems to me you’re awfully defensive of Samantha without knowing the facts of the case, plus as Shawnesty said, you’re certainly trying to dismiss and downplay the other author’s rights to protect their work. I’d say it looks strongly suspicious that Samantha has the very story she is accused of plagiarising in her favorites, and surely the two of you are intelligent enough to grasp how bad that looks for Samantha, right? Remember, it’s also far too easy to plagiarise and then try to make weak excuses and shift blame when one gets caught red-handed, too. So until you know the exact facts of the case, don’t condemn or make excuses for anyone on here, okay?

      • Lynn Hollander.

        12/29/2012 at 6:09 am

        Occam’s Razor. I tend to believe Samantha because 1) she has no reason to bring the initial matter up at all, but did; 2) she has no reason to mention that the story was in her list of favorites, but did; (I think this is called ‘utterance against interest’ or something like that in lawyer speak.) and 3) the initial action itself, the parallel works, is reasonable.

      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        12/30/2012 at 9:48 pm

        Agreed. I don’t think I’ve been plagiarized on FF.Net, and if I were, I would be furious. But simply coming up with a plot because of inspiration from another story or even the canon/fanon itself is inevitable and probably flattering. I’ve been inspired by fics I especially liked. All you have to do is give credit in an authorial note if you are taking elements and get the author’s permission. But then, I suppose if someone did that, they would not be plagiarizing.

        The details really are what set stories apart. People have lived too long on this earth and of course, no ideas are original now. Usually, it’s characterization and execution that make a story in a genre stand out. I have seen fics that look very similar to mine that were written after mine were posted. But chances are, if one person has an idea, someone else had the same one, and the writing styles and situations were different enough that I could not really claim they were copying me.

        People are inspired by other people’s work. That is a beautiful and amazing phenomenon and should be encouraged and not punished by baseless accusations of plagiarism. It is sad to hear people have taken down their work and left the site because of unwarranted harassment. I agree that legitimate work should not be taken down, no matter how similar the overarching plot is. The stories themselves might be very different takes on the same thing and it would deprive readers of different flavors of a genre.

      • RWFF

        12/30/2012 at 10:52 pm

        If there are three people using the same account how is the other person supposed to know that in Samantha’s case? I’m taking a wild guess that most of us don’t allow others to use our account and why can’t the two sisters create their own accounts? My sister reads stuff on ffnet but she doesn’t know my password to my account or vice versa.

        I can see why the person would be miffed with Samantha seeing her posting a similar story to theirs and also finding their story in her favorites. I can also understand the person not believing her either. Put yourself in the other person’s shoes; saying it was your sister put the story in your favorites is almost like telling the teacher the dog at your homework.

        You can’t proclaim innocence or guilt without comparing the two stories in question. Also bear in mind the ‘writers’ out there doing the stealing rely on the ones who blindly believe their lame excuses for the similarities and other theft. Sure there are coincidences, but when you have a writer that lifts and steals from others in their realm how many passes on ‘coincidences’ do you give them? We had that issue in our realm where the same writer was accused of taking things from other people’s stories and claimed she never read any of the other stories on the site. This went on for almost half a year. It wasn’t a few coincidences, it was a lot of ‘coincidences.’

      • Lynn Hollander

        02/06/2013 at 6:57 pm

        So over in a different site, someone was posting Twilight, and as far as I can remember –not one of my favorite works, in fact, I never finished the first chapter– but as far as I can remember it seemed to be word for word. So, I attempted to contact S. Meyer or Brown, Little, &Co, and couldn’t do it. Meyer does not take messages from readers, and BLCo, while it has a Facebook page, apparently does not bother reading it. Eventually, I tracked down M’s agent and left a message with her. Perseverance furthers, but it was a tedious afternoon.
        Any writer concerned with plagiarism should make it easier for readers/the public to tell her what’s going on.

    • yemi hikari

      12/28/2012 at 4:34 pm

      I actually disagree with Andie here, but instead agree with Lynn. I think you should have actually gone to Live Journal Stop Plagiarism and asked for them to clear your name. To quote them, “Shared theme(s) between two pieces is NOT plagiarism. Even if there are a handful of common phrases (particularly those that are natural to the fandom). Even if you consider it to be a completely original plot concept. While it can be discouraging to realize someone had a similar insight, in fandom hivemind is to be expected.”

      I say this because I know of a writer who was in a similar situation as you. She was accused of plagiarizing a story based on themes that were shared in a lot of stories through many fandoms other then just the one they were writing for, so the person accusing her of plagiarism wasn’t unique either. I went and looked at both stories and there was no word, for word and not even a rearranging of the words within the story. She sicked some of her fans onto the other persons story, but do you know whose story got deleted first? The writer who made the accusation. The bullying that occurred though was enough for this one writer to remove all of her stories, despite the fact I kept sending her PMs trying to enforce the fact she hadn’t plagiarized and even left a review trying to get her to come back.

      • Shawnesty

        12/28/2012 at 5:45 pm

        Totally get your point, Yemi, and I understand the “hive mentality” that can be common in the writing world. However, you have to admit that Samantha’s case is at least circumspect, considering that she admits the original author’s story was put into her favorites list on her account by a sister, then she suddenly is inspired to write a very similar story, claiming that even though the original story is in her favorites list on her account, she has never read it. So you can see why it would look highly suspicious, right? But I do agree with you that the best thing to do is to turn the whole issue over to the site administrators and to the Stop Plagiarism group on LJ and let them handle it. I also definitely think it’s wrong to harass or attack anyone, be it the original author or the possible plagiarist. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. When I stood up and fought back against two of the writers that had stolen my stories (both cases involved word for word copying of very unique passages/sentences), it was THEIR fans that got the nastiest, not any of my friends or fans, we stayed above the fray and refused to be baited. I was absolutely crucified in their review sections and had a lot of derogatory insinuations, threats, and rude insults lobbed at me, and while I’m an adult and capable of handling issues like that, it was definitely irritating to see their fans trying to ruin my good name and reputation in the fandom, just because their writer pals couldn’t keep their sticky little fingers off of other people’s work.

      • yemi hikari

        12/29/2012 at 5:58 pm

        “So you can see why it would look highly suspicious, right?”

        Nope. The person I found who was in a similar situation as Samantha also had the writer’s story under their favorites. The only thing that was similar about their stories though, was that both stories had a new girl coming to the school. Each character was different and the plots ran differently. Even if the first writer was in fact inspired to write a story with similar themes, that doesn’t mean they are plagiarizing. I’ve looked at people’s favorite lists and I’ve seen a lot of people who like writing for certain themes who will also favorite other writers stories.

        Lol, or in one case I found a writer whose entire writing consisted of pairing her self-insert with her favorite guy characters and all her favorites were slash because she didn’t want to read any het that the girl her favorite guys were paired with wasn’t here.

      • Shawnesty

        12/29/2012 at 10:00 pm

        Yemi, that’s great that you found another author that had faced the same issue Samantha has, it does prove that such problems are possible on the site. And maybe you guys are all willing to gloss over the issue in defense of Samantha, which is totally your right. I’m just saying that before you herald her as the embattled heroine of the tale who has been so cruelly and unjustly accused of plagiarism, you MIGHT want to get the other writer’s side, it may be very different than what Samantha is telling us on the blog. After all, aren’t there always two sides to every story? And put yourself in the other writer’s shoes for a moment and ask yourselves how you’d feel if someone wrote a story that was extremely similar to yours and huh, come to find out, your story is in that person’s favorites? Would you be able to keep an open mind and laugh it off as coincidence? Since Samantha did not include links to the two stories in order to support her claim, we cannot run a comparison on the two pieces, therefore we have no idea what elements the other author thought she had stolen from her, right? Right! And without that kind of evidence, no one can chalk it up as “coincidence” because we don’t HAVE the two stories to COMPARE, right? RIGHT!

        And GEE WHIZ, isn’t it strange that for all her protestations of innocence and complaints that the other writer was so rude to her, Samantha has not returned to this blog to see the outcome of her statement, despite the fact that there are two people on here who are desperately trying to prove that she is indeed the victim? Yemi and Lynn, I think before you go ahead and render a verdict of not guilty in her case, maybe it would be wise to do a little bit of independent research into the matter and try to track down the two stories in question, just so that you make sure you are fairly rendering that not guilty verdict without causing grevious damage to the other writer, who may actually be the innocent and victimized party here. Don’t be so quick to proclaim Samantha is innocent, for it is an utter fool that quickly accepts such pleas at face value and accepts it as the truth without doing any kind of investigation at all…and it may be that fool that will be wearing egg on their own face in the end. 😉

      • yemi hikari

        12/31/2012 at 6:50 pm

        A person is innocent until they are actually proven guilty. I’m going to say that this doesn’t just include Samantha, but the accuser as well here. While I am choosing to be impartial as to who actually is guilty, in this case one is guilty while the other is not. So when I choose to defend Samantha from the accusations that she must definitely be guilty because someone accused her of something, I have to bring up the fact that the writer may have falsely accused her. You yourself are guilty of making assumptions that she must be guilty.

        You said that her having a story on her favorite list without remembering that she read it was an admittance of guilt, when it is not. Those who plagiarize will in fact lie about having read it, but those who have not actually plagiarized will in fact tell the truth. Now your making the assumption that Samantha isn’t returning because she is guilty, when she could very well not be returning because the first person to respond to her post assumed she was guilty because someone accused her. If she is a young writer who doesn’t understand what plagiarism is, she may have taken that persons comment as confirmation that she is guilty when she may not be. Or she may also be ashamed of being falsely accused of plagiarism. As I told you, the person I found cleaned out all their stories because of one false accusation because one writer decided to accuse her and sick her friends on her. Being falsely accused of something can be a major blow to ones ego.

        I’ll repeat… I’m not saying Samantha isn’t guilty. But without seeing either stories it isn’t fair to assume she is in fact guilty. Not to mention the fact Andie shouldn’t have told her that she’d done the right thing when if Samantha is indeed not guilty, what she did was the worst thing she could have done.

      • Silverr

        12/31/2012 at 7:16 pm

        And appearances can be deceiving – what looks like guilt isn’t always guilt.

        Last year I had a reviewer note that one of my multichapter fanfictions had been plagarized into French. As my French is very rusty, I used on-line translator to check out the claim – and discovered that the plot (though not the dialog) matched mine in literally dozens of ways.

        My story had originally gone up during 2004-2005, but was taken down in 2006 and reposted in 2010. (I did, however, have PDFs of all the reviews for the initial posting.) ~ The French version began appearing in 2008, but wasn’t finished until 2011.

        When I contacted the author (through the wonders of internet translation) we finally sorted out what had happened. A friend of the author who had read my story when it was initially posted presented it as a “plot bunny” of her own creation. The innocent author, liking the idea, had written it up ( creating all new dialogue for my plot) and been lauded (and the friend must have figure it was okay, since I’d disappeared from FFn.).

        Once we sorted this out the French author (who had confronted her friend about the matter) was horrified and apologetic. I told her I’d be thrilled if she simply presented her story as a translation or remix of mine, but she was too upset over the whole thing and simply deleted it.

        Had we gone by current publication dates alone, I would appear to have plagarized the French. Had we gone by content alone, the French author looked guilty. As it turned out, the friend was the troublemaker, but they probably felt justified since my stories had disappeared.~ Ultimately, since no one’s making money from fanfiction, I don’t let it bother me too much.

      • Shawnesty

        12/31/2012 at 10:05 pm

        Yemi, did you not understand that that is exactly what I said? Samantha’s guilt or innocence CANNOT be proven because WE DON’T HAVE THE STORIES TO DO A COMPARISON. I’m not saying she’s guilty, I’m not saying she’s innocent, I merely said that it looked bad on her end that the alleged plagiarised story was in her favorites, no matter how it got there. I repeat, I did not say that made her GUILTY, I said it LOOKED BAD for her, there’s a BIG difference there. I write cop stories and the fact that the story was in her favorites is what we call “evidence”, and it is that evidence that would partly be used to determine her guilt or innocence. Just saying that it looked bad for her to have the story was not in any way saying she was guilty of anything and Yemi, kindly do NOT assume anything about my motives or opinions, you know what they say when you “assume” things, right?

        Does it not strike anyone as odd that all of you are so heatedly defending this person without having a single fact at your disposal, you’re just going on what Samantha said in her comments and “assuming” that what she has said is the honest truth because oh, I don’t know, she just “seems” innocent sounding? Maybe the color and pattern of her icon makes her look innocent? So maybe you’ve known a person in the past that had the same kind of incident happen, so you automatically presume that anyone that is allegedly accused of plagiarism and swears they didn’t do it, they’ve been wrongly accused? Hey, for all you know, she ripped that story off word for word and is now trying to get justification for her actions and you people are just playing right into it! Maybe she’s the one that called the other writer all sorts of unkind names and harassed her because she told her she couldn’t steal her story! I’m a cynic, I don’t believe a danged word people tell me until I have absolute proof that they are telling me the truth. And I don’t take someone’s rather vague statement as the truth, particularly since they couldn’t be bothered to provide any supporting evidence like the stories in question to back their complaint up.

        Furthermore, I’d love to point out that plagiarists would absolutely ADORE all of you folks that are trying so hard to defend this chick and downplay the other author’s rights. Plagiarists just thrive and count on people like you kind folks to provide blanket acceptance of their actions by turning your heads and making excuses and believing all the lovely little lies they spin to cover their butts. And trust me, I’ve seen plenty of pretty little lies spouted from the mouths of plagiarists, they can weave all sorts of fanciful tales in order to escape punishment and convince people they’re telling the truth. They love having people blindly defending them and claiming their thefts are mere coincidence in a fandom because that gives them the justification they seek in order to keep plagiarising. I wonder if you people were in the plagiarised author’s position where someone had purposely ripped off all of your hard work, if you would be so dismissive and accepting and say hey, it’s just coincidence, they really didn’t steal from me, even if they’ve copied word for word from you. How’s that old saying by Edmund Burke go…all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing? Seems to me that applies here, doesn’t it?

      • Sasha

        01/01/2013 at 12:20 am

        I’m with Shawnesty and RWFF on this one. You guys are all so quick to defend this girl and proclaim that she’s innocent based solely on her comments and how do you know that what she’s saying is the truth? Without any kind of proof, you don’t. She didn’t offer up the stories for any kind of comparison and even though you guys are trying to say you’re not declaring her innocent, is sure as heck sounds like you really are. Just because you have known one or two people who have “accidentally” either gotten plagiarised or been wrongfully accused of doing it doesn’t mean that ALL people accused of plagiarism are just as innocent…it’s been my experience that if they’ve been accused of doing it, chances are they really HAVE done it and are scrambling to think up a plausible story to cover their acts. And turning a blind eye to plagiarism and accepting it by making excuses for those who commit such an act, well, what are you people going to do when someone rips you off and then tries to tell you it’s just coincidence that their story resembles yours and they’ve never read your work? Are you going to be just as accepting and allow them to get away with it or are you going to stand up and fight back? Instead of putting yourselves in “poor Samantha’s” shoes and patting her on the back, “Oh you poor dear, you got wrongly accused of plagiarism!”, why not track down the other writer and get their side of the story? Might be a VERY different tale that what Samantha is telling, ya think?

      • yemi hikari

        01/02/2013 at 5:41 am

        *sigh* I’m not saying she is innocent. You keep accusing me of defending her from the accusation of plagiarism and yet I’ve simply been defending her against the accusations that she must be guilty because she’s been accused of plagiarism. There is a difference between the two. That, and giving her advice of what she should have done if she had been innocent was the other thing I did.

        I don’t also see how admitting to having the other writers story or her not showing up again makes her look bad when there are plenty of other writers who have similar stories in their favorites as well and I can’t blame her for not returning after the first comment condemned her as being guilty. You guys are making the assumption it makes her look bad only because she shares two typical symptoms one finds with plagiarists, neither of which is indicative of actual guilt.

        This honestly to me makes no sense at all. It is the actual evidence that makes the person look bad, not the actual symptoms. I’m not sure how to put it in a better manner other then saying the symptoms make the person look bad is the same as saying they are probably guilty. I guess it comes from the fact it seems to make the accusation that the person is lying without having any proof that they are in fact lying.

  16. Button

    12/26/2012 at 1:16 am

    Gonna keep suggesting this until forever so I’ll make it quick. Filter. Out. Option. Please. If I don’t want to view romance, then I should be able to select out that genre and hope the author didn’t intentionally leave our a pairing warning

    • Phil

      12/27/2012 at 2:05 pm

      THANK YOU!

      Don’t worry, I’ve been posting this on almost every thread here possible. I want to see this option too! Just attempt it, or at the very least tell is if this idea has a hope of becoming reality.

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  19. While

    12/28/2012 at 7:33 am

    Hey FF admins, I’m posting a link to the spammer on the Warriors fandom, because this is ridiculous and against the rules. Take this crap down now before we all spazz out.

    • yemi hikari

      12/28/2012 at 4:35 pm

      Actually, the writer should be removed as everything is spam, spam spam from what I can see.

    • crimzonchyld

      05/27/2013 at 6:42 am

      Although this was last year, I just wanted to say it wasn’t just Warriors Fandom, it was all fandoms, that idiot was posting the same thing twenty times in every fandom, I complained to FF about it too, they finally got rid of who ever it was, all the fics and the profile are both gone. I don’t even understand wtf that person was trying to do.

  20. brendan2k5

    12/28/2012 at 12:30 pm

    Given AO3 and TWCS can no longer be ignored due to their rising popularity and the reason they were created, I think FFn/FP needs to make a few concessions/changes if they want to compete with the competition they created. Like it or not folks are leaving FFn/FP for other sites or social media because they’re not getting the suppport they feel they’re entitled to. I’ve seen these concerns raised since this blog opened and they’ve been either ignored or shot down.

    As I said in response to another blog posting FFn/FP has been around for ten years. One thing it failed to do–which AO3 and TWCS have been doing–is change with the times:

    – First and foremost, allowing NC-17 submissions and Erotica on both sites would be a good start and mend a few fences. Seriously there is no reason not to allow it by now. Both AO3 and TWCS do and have had no problem keeping underage viewers and those who don’t want to see material of that nature from “accidently” seeing adult-themed stories. In keeping them banned you’re basically telling authors to censor their own stories.

    As for how it can be done, one can simply require all members present and future to have their date of birth on file. Once entered it cannot be changed without admin approval. In addition, only registered users signed in age 16+ can view M rated stories. Only registered users signed in ages 18+ can view NC-17 stories. Both are to protect viewers and by extension, FFN/FP. This would also apply to the mobile site. Everyone will have to sign in if they want to view M or NC-17 Stories.

    – Require guest reviews to be approved by the author before they’re made live. Unapproved Guest reviews are deleted from the site.

    – I suggested this over the summer but I still think it’s a necessary evil given how big the site has gotten: Appoint Moderators. See my other posts on it for the details. I must respectfully disagree with Xing’s reasons for being against it. And in my opinion folks are not wrong for feeling entitled to a few things from the site staff.

    – Going with the above: Have a more visible presence on the sites. Right now most feel there is s disconnect between authors and site staff.

    …Once again I feel the need to say although this is my opinion I don’t have a problem with those who are against all of these. If anything, the blogs have demonstrated we can have meaningful discussions with each others and site staff.

    Thank You

    • Lord Kelvin

      12/28/2012 at 4:17 pm

      With AO3 being broken in many respects, I doubt it’s a good model for FFN to follow. Visit adult sites for your NC-17 needs. FFN can handle the rest.

      Suggestion: a search feature for the PM inbox. I can’t always find certain PMs I’m after without making a bunch of clicks.

      • brendan2k5

        12/28/2012 at 5:13 pm

        Heheh….if you read the blog I posted earlier today on my Fan Fiction Blog you’d know I’m well aware AO3 isn’t all puppies and rainbows.

        Thing is, neither is FFn. Brushing aside something that’s been raised not just by me but others is WHY AO3 and TWCS and other sites were created.

        Like I said today and yesterday: Why SHOULD people go elsehwhere for NC-17 stories? The reason that mindset has been generally accepted is because until fairly recently we had no means of communicating with the site staff.

        The real question I think should be asked is “why not?” It’s not an unreasonable question. It won’t sway all but it would certainly bring back some of the people who left because we don’t offer it here.

        If it’s a question of accountability my suggestions take care of that. The programming will take time but shouldn’t be that difficult to do.

        You’ll notice I didn’t point out the fact the Romance section of FP has its fair share of stories with sexually explicit content. I don’t think people are wrong to expect Romance stories that focus on the love of two people to devulge into physical gradification.

        Asking authors to censor their stories is WHY AO3 and TWCS were created. FP/FFn should get with the times before it’s too late. Sure there are those of us who will be loyal to the end but once these sites and others grow in popularity FFn/FP will be left behind.

        This isn’t 10 years ago, after all.

    • Dan Trigona

      12/28/2012 at 10:18 pm

      The site used to allow more explicit stories to be posted until 2002. Sadly, and with respect to TPTB here, they caved to demands from a few people to remove that stuff. In fact the Content Guidelines have not changed since 11/20/2008, yet, authors have to waste time in agreeing over and over again to something that has not changed.

      I can see if there’s an actual change in the guidelines to have authors have to agree with them, but, to expire the cookie on the server side (thus ignoring efforts of a cookie editor to actually change those dates) weekly is, IMHO, for the birds. The only reason I jump through this otherwise unneeded hoop is because I do enjoy writing as “Splinter1” and I’ve been a member for a very long time (since before Y2K), even though there’s a large gap in my writing profile.

      I do agree, though, that there needs to be more dedicated staff to handle user issues in a timely fashion. I would be happy to volunteer my services as I’m usually on the site at least once a day to review my stats anyway.

      • brendan2k5

        12/28/2012 at 11:05 pm

        I’ve been around since FP and FFn were one site myself–a fact most either are unaware or don’t believe due to what my accounts’ signup dates say. Glad to know there are others here who were around that far back.

        And I second the being forced to “review” the Guidelines mandate every 7 days before posting a new story when the guideline’s been unchanged for years. No justification for this has been provided aside from “everyone should be familiar with it”.

        Both AO3 and TWCS used FP and FFn’s Guidelines as a base for their respective Submission Guidelines, the difference being they don’t force people to read theirs every 7 days.

        What it amounts to is simple: Folks on those sites KNOW they will be punished in a timely manner if they break a rule. Extremist elements have taken over large parts of FP and FFn and despite attempts to notify admins nothing’s been done about them.

        This goes with what I said about lack of presence. Dedicated staff is a good idea but it won’t be enough. Revising the guidelines and site Terms of Use–with input from authors–would make for a good starting point. It wouln’t be too difficult to send surveys to all registered users via email to gauge how they feel about the sites’ day-to-day operations from time to time.

      • Lord Kelvin

        12/29/2012 at 3:31 am

        FFN banned NC-17 for a reason: “Though they are very small portion of the site the adult stories have generated almost all of the complaints filed on record”. Though, it’s curious some people want FFN to be an all-inclusive monopoly in the fanfic world. Other sites allow what FFN doesn’t. None of them are as successful despite being made to challenge and make up for FFN’s “flaws”. Xing made a strategic decision by ditching that rating.

        Reviewing the guidelines is a sad necessity because FFN has plenty of young authors used to clicking “yes to all” without reading. Revisiting the page by default is another good decision on Xing’s part.

        TOS with input from members and volunteer admins… FFN’s been there, which is why we’re here now.

    • angeliquefanfic

      12/29/2012 at 9:14 pm

      Thank goodness my stats bars are back! Thank you!

      I wanted to share my experience with the “M” rated content, because for me, it’s turning out to be the equivalent of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, and I’m on the losing end.

      Fanfiction is mostly by and for women, from what I gather. Explicit fan fiction fills the need for explicit romance and intimacy, things women can’t find in most male-centric adult content.

      I spent a year or so as an unregistered reader, and as one, when you set your filter to get to the “M” content, you fully expect explicit stories. That’s what you want, and that’s what you get, because authors do post explicit stories under the M rating, consciously ignoring the guidelines, or not.
      As a reader, you are not aware at all that does not allow explicit content.

      When I finally registered and wrote my first story, I had to go through the guidelines to post, and I don’t think I noticed the first time that “M” is different than “MA”. I posted my explicit story and discovered the wonderful world of getting readers, reviews, followers and favorites. It’s the best! And the community, tools and response on this site really have no equivalent, I’m sorry to say. The other sites don’t even come close…

      At some point, I actually read the description for “M” vs. “MA”, and I was confused. “Seriously?!” was my reaction. Because the guideline for “M” is really “T”. Keeping the “M” rating is misleading both to authors and readers. I guess it allows the site to keep readers happy with explicit content that needs to be filtered to be accessed, but shields them from liability from copyright holders and parents, I presume. Which is a smart thing to do, really, when you have kids posting alongside adults.

      Here’s where my stalker comes in: after a year, I had built a loyal readership, collected hundreds of reviews, posted regularly and often, people loved my stories. Big love fest. Then I responded to a prompt that called for a guy to be involved with the two main characters (note that I write lesbian “romance”), which was actually part of the show. I properly warned my readers that it might not be their cup of tea, and to please refrain from reading if they thought it might upset them. Most people loved it. I had never gotten so many hits. But a small, very vocal minority just went on a rampage of negative reviews. And not only that, they would avidly read every chapter as I posted them, and post a rant again, because they couldn’t stand the ladies being with a guy.

      The following week, my account got shut down. At the time, I didn’t know if it was because I reluctantly reported an abusive review (I knew it would call attention to me violating the guidelines), or if someone reported me. Other explicit stories were still there, so it wasn’t a purge.

      I was really upset about losing all my hard work, but after a while I started posting new stories under a new account, re-built my readership, and in-between new stories, started reposting my old stories, and my readers were really happy to have them back. When I re-posted my controversial story, my stalker left an anonymous review saying “Will you never learn? IDIOT!” Note the caps, because it’s her trademark. Like a serial killer. A week later, my account got shut down again, and then I knew that it had been her the first time.

      This time, I didn’t mope around very long and re-posted everything almost right away. She’s still there, ready to pounce, leaving reviews as “Guest” with her trademark capitalized words, things like “You have to STOP reposting your stories!”, both on chapter 1 and chapter 4, which means she actually reads the stories.

      The bully wins. One psycho reader, obsessed with the characters on a show, and upset at the content of one of your stories, is all it takes. And she turned it into a personal crusade.

      I doubt she’s ever posted a story, because she could imagine the heartbreak of losing your hard-earned reviews and readers.

      I can’t do anything about it because I post explicit stories and am not compliant with the guidelines.

      When I noticed on a story I posted recently that the stats were stuck at 0, even though I would get reviews, alerts and favorites, I didn’t want to report the bug, because I’m not compliant with the guidelines.

      I wish “M” rated material would only be accessible to registered users over 18, which it should anyways, so I could block a stalker from even seeing me or my stories. But then again, this would only be possible if they ever identify themselves.

      Self-moderation works in most cases, except for abuses, and I feel like this is a case of abuse. And the confusing “M” rating is partly responsible.
      Other than explicit romance, I don’t post offensive content. I’m very good at keeping things light and sweet, and most “M” rated authors in my fandom are the same.

      I don’t expect the site to change their policies, but I wanted to share my story from behind the curtain of FF’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, even though it might lead to my account’s cancellation again, but with my personal bully watching my every move, my account getting shut down again is only a matter of time. I can’t win, but now you know.

    • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

      12/30/2012 at 9:31 pm

      I do not know of the sites you are referring to. I’ve been on FF.Net a while and see no reason to leave.

      Moderators might be a good idea. They could deal with the spam reports more promptly than people who are busy elsewhere.

      The problem with adult content is that there’s no way to really control who’s viewing it. Like how no one really knows what age someone is or what they are downloading short of physically being on location. I do understand the desire for smut. I enjoy it myself once in a while. But the safest route really would be to keep it off this site and have dedicated places for that genre. I don’t know that it’s necessarily appropriate to flaunt physical intimacy as a rule. I have nothing against the existence or consumption of the material, but it’s as though someone walked outside naked, you know? Not good in public, but perfectly fine on sites that specialize in it.

      I agree about the censorship issue. It does put the squeeze on one’s creativity to have to dilute one’s own writing, and I resent and dislike having to tone it down when my imagination is showing something far more interesting to visualize. If writing is the vehicle for expressing what one is seeing, it seems to go against the motto of the site to restrict the content. The problem is that with NC-17 in combination with a lot of people and people who either like extremes or don’t know what they are talking about, it’s done in a vulgar and crass manner. Of course, people are going to complain. Also, I think keeping things clean encourages a safer environment overall. If censoring myself is the price I have to pay for generally tasteful content and less predation/unsavory types, it’s worth it to me.

      In terms of entitlement, this is a free site. We can expect decent and civil treatment, respect, to be listened to. But we can’t demand to be given preferential treatment or much else. If we were paying, then sure. As it is, the administration seems to care what we say and at least on the blog, they’ve been completely professional. If anything, it’s the users who can be a bit abusive.

    • Filly8

      01/03/2013 at 4:11 pm

      I agree, FF is losing writers and readers due to the lack of NC-17 ratings. It seems trivial to some but in real book stores nothing stops someone from buying books with NC-17 content. Why would FF an FP be different (why should it?). The fact of the matter is that other fanfiction sites manage to not get sued (or whatever) when young people read NC-17 content. So why can’t FF/FP manage to do this? All it would take is a birthdate on record/ a login. So why try and smother writers this way?

      As the site is currently there is actually GREATER “danger” for young kids to read NC content because currently it is not labeled as NC content but instead M. Even when FF went through and cleared out a whole bunch of stories they not only come back but obviously FF missed some. Heck i remember myself at age like 16 wondering what “lemons” were and finally just clicking on one to read it..

      This would just be simplified by allowing writers and readers NC-17 content… I just don’t understand what the hang up is..?

      • brendan2k5

        01/03/2013 at 9:06 pm

        “As the site is currently there is actually GREATER “danger” for young kids to read NC content because currently it is not labeled as NC content but instead M. Even when FF went through and cleared out a whole bunch of stories they not only come back but obviously FF missed some.”

        SO THIS YES!

        Some of the authors on my Favorites list on FF have written NC-17 content into their stories. The stories are well written and are listed as M.

        If the Admins had common sense they’d get with the times and add NC-17 so that those Stories on both sites can be properly categorized. Again: Telling people to go elsewhere doesn’t eliminate the problem as FP/FF’s description of what’s considered Mature content is open to interpretation from a professional author’s point of view so technically all those stories were deleted for no reason.

      • konarciq

        01/04/2013 at 2:38 pm

        Quote: “FF is losing writers and readers due to the lack of NC-17 ratings.”

        Yeah, right. And Walt Disney Productions is losing viewers because their movies don’t involve porn.

        It’s a conscious choice the producers/site owners make. They realize that certain groups will not be interested in their product *because* of the choice they made. But no matter what, it is *their* choice as the owners of the product.

        If you want porn and violence and other adult themes, then you’d better stay away from Walt Disney and instead choose a movie company that does include it in their films.
        If you don’t want porn etc, you know you’re reasonably safe with Walt Disney.

        And that goes for fanfiction, too.

        So please stop whining and find yourself another place that does cater to your wishes. From what I understand, there are several of those around.
        Or are you going to complain with Walt Disney productions as well?

      • yemi hikari

        01/04/2013 at 3:15 pm

        “I agree, FF is losing writers and readers due to the lack of NC-17 ratings.”

        Which isn’t making a major dent to the site as the majority of the stories on this site are under the T rating and to assume that most of the M rated stories are NC-17 would be an assumption. The rule was clearly stated for ten years.

        “It seems trivial to some but in real book stores nothing stops someone from buying books with NC-17 content.”

        Most of the people one sees in book store lines are adults, not children. Most children will be accompanied by an adult when they are at the store. All Manga that is of a 18+ is shrink wrapped and the adult section almost always has an adult watching for minors hanging out where they shouldn’t be. They rarely if ever get a minor who is not with a parent and when they do, they can refuse to sell the minor the book until the parent is present.

        “Why would FF an FP be different (why should it?). ”

        Because the admins can’t see faces or check for IDs. And no, an age verification system wouldn’t work because anyone can lie about their age.

        “The fact of the matter is that other fanfiction sites manage to not get sued (or whatever) when young people read NC-17 content.”

        They haven’t been around as long and they are much smaller, thus they are not as well known.

        “As the site is currently there is actually GREATER “danger” for young kids to read NC content because currently it is not labeled as NC content but instead M.”

        The danger did not occur because the site admins did not allow NC content, it occurred because people decided to break the site rules and post stuff that they knew wasn’t allowed on this site.

      • Filly8

        01/05/2013 at 3:18 am

        I’m sorry but what? Your comparison to Disney makes no sense considering it is a childrens company that caters to children; there for obviously not losing viewers in that manner because peopel don’t EXPECT that material from Disney.. Fanfiction caters to ALL ages as should IMHO.
        I am an adult, this does not mean i constantly want to read adult material (Violence/gore, sexual content and themes etc) but it does mean that i would like access to it in the most efficient/clear manner. At the same time i would like to access material i know is not so adult to that degree (K-T stories which of course i still read). At the current moment FF is the best (IMO) fanfiction site out there due to it’s vast fandoms, organization(!!), and general abilites as a site. Frankly I don’t want to just “stop whining and find [my]self another place” I would like this to simply be fixed/changed and stay on where i am a happy reader.

        Obviously it is not a huge deal to me or i would be emailing and petitioning other authors and such about it but it is still something that i believe the staff should take into consideration. I am not the only person that enjoys a wide variety of genres and ratings in my reading.. On a side note, are you [Konarciq] heavily against “porn”? because your bias shows up strongly in your post as you continue to reference NC17 content as “porn” which in fact it is not all sexual content but can also be of a violent or gore filled nature. Is that why you are so against it implementing it on the site? I just ask because it messes with your authority as a debater to allow (and include) that type of material into your post due to bias..

        Did i ever say it was a significant amount of readers? No. I said readers. Obviously if it was significant would do womethign about it but just because it is an ‘insignificant’ portion of a community doesn’t mean that those people shouldn’t be happy! As for your books store comment: “Most of the people one sees in book store lines are adults, not children” … do i need to even talk about this?! I started buying my own books at age 11 i believe (somewhere around there). An adult was int he store with me (i couldn’t drive) but not generally at the register. I was NEVER ONCE questioned by an employee about what i bought (nor have i ever heard of someone being questioned anywhere in USA). Not to mention with online shopping that point is null as well. Manga is not the only NC17 material out there… Romance novels look very innocent to a cashier so why would they refuse to sell it?

        Ok i admit to not knowing anything about the legal matters of owning/running a site with content not suitable for minors on it (nor do i even have much experiance as a vistor of those kinds of sites) but It seems like there HAS to be a way to legally protect yourself as the siteholder against liars. I mean think of all the sites out there that ask for only a birthday. Does that mean that each time someone lies about there age to get on those sites (which of course people do! especially if the site seems “innocent”) the website could be sued? That is ridiculous! I mean wouldn’t porn sites (for instance) be getting sued constantly by parents because there child was “exposed” even though the kid lied about there age to get on the site? There is no way there is not a legal way around that (isn’t that the point of the terms and conditions crap you click “i agree” to when you sign up for things?). Someone inform me of this because i honestly don’t understand..

        But anyway your last point: “The danger did not occur because the site admins did not allow NC content, it occurred because people decided to break the site rules and post stuff that they knew wasn’t allowed on this site” is debateable in many ways. First and formost though: There will always be those that break the rules. Always! It is human nature and because of this we should (and do) craft our laws to make it easier to not break the rules. So because we KNOW that people will misfile NC content as M content, we also know that people will stumble accidently on it. Why not make NC content availible, so that even though i’m sure the occassionaly story will be misfiled (as things still are now with or without NC content), it is majory possible to avoid that material if wanted?

        Eh sorry, long, i loove debatey things (as long as people stay polite) ^^

      • konarciq

        01/12/2013 at 1:46 pm

        LOL I was merely making a comparison: two companies that have made a conscious choice to cater to a certain type of audience, thereby realizing that they will not be of interest to certain other groups of the public. That doesn’t mean I consider Walt Disney Productions and ffnet to be one of a kind.

        FFnet may be the biggest and the best when it comes to fanfiction, but I don’t see why that means they should be forced to cater to all audiences. Whether or not we agree with their choice, it’s *their* choice to what audience they want to cater. Apparently that does not include serious adult themes.
        So what’s so difficult about accepting that? You don’t limit yourself to one movie company or one TV channel either when it comes to choosing what to watch, do you? To be honest, I really don’t see what the problem is in having to go elsewhere for stories with more adult themes. IMO, it’s no different from switching from one TV channel to another.

        Personally I couldn’t care less whether there is a more adult section on ffnet or not. If there was, I probably wouldn’t go there myself, but it wouldn’t bother me if others did. So it’s not that I’m against implementing such on the site – I’m merely trying to put into words what I’ve gathered from Xing here in the blog, and from the website rules etc.

        But now you’ve made me curious. Is it only a bias *against* something that messes up one’s authority as a debater? Or can the same be said for someone with a bias *in favour* of something?

  21. Anna

    12/28/2012 at 2:43 pm

    I just visited the Just In page, and like While above, I too have noticed this spammer who goes by the name “Where It Is”. Since yesterday, he apparently has posted over three hundred entries that say nothing but “OCCUPY OCCUPY OCCUPY” repeatedly. Now I have sent the abuse report, like many others have I’m sure. But now it’s time to do your part by actually RESPONDING to the abuse reports. This person has been doing this since yesterday! This situation should’ve been taken care of already. Please, for the love of all that is good, get back to taking care of abuse reports in a timely manner and stop ignoring them.

    This is the offender

    • yemi hikari

      12/28/2012 at 5:04 pm

      Someone else has posted one of their stories, so if the site admins could deal with them, it could be awesome.

  22. While

    12/28/2012 at 7:10 pm

    Would be nice if they actually did respond. It’s time the admins got off their lazy butts and took the spam down and banned the User – –

  23. Lurker

    12/28/2012 at 8:59 pm

    Hello, I have a question for Xing and the staffs!

    What exactly is FanFiction’s stance with plagiarism on those that lifted directly from the tv shows and manga/comics (read: not books) and simply just inserted a random character there? I kept coming across many fanfictions like that. It’s the grey area that I feel the FFN had not cover well enough. :/

    I hope to have answers soon!

  24. Dan Trigona

    12/28/2012 at 10:02 pm

    You know what…I’d love the opportunity to handle stuff like this. His account would have been terminated with prejudice.

  25. Dan Trigona

    12/28/2012 at 10:08 pm

    In the content guidelines it states as follows:

    “Actions not allowed:

    Multiple entries of the same material. There can only be one copy of any unique story on the entire site. No exceptions.
    Rewriting names of characters/locations of one story in order to upload to multiple categories.
    Copying from a previously published work (including musical lyrics) not in the public domain.”

    This is the closest that they come to plagarism, looks like.

    I’m personally on the fence with the insertion of an OC into a storyline. If the dialogue is basically the same as in a given TV show, it’s questionable. But, the insert of an OC would result in changing the flow of the TV show/Comics/Manga due to the inclusion of new dialogue. If the OC is a “Stan Lee” cameo where there is nothing changes with the original story, then, yes, that would, to me qualify for possible removal from the site.

  26. While

    12/29/2012 at 7:39 am

    Thank you admins for banning the user. Hopefully the problem will not occur again, but I have a feeling that they will be back under a new name.

    Unfortunately this leads to a new suggestion I’ve been thinking about. Would it be possible to limit how many stories can be uploaded or updated per day? That would greatly reduce the amount of spam you likely receive on a daily basis. Though it can be annoying for writers who are actually following the rules, it could be a temporary solution to the problem.

    Not exactly the best solution, but it is better than nothing.

    • Anna

      12/29/2012 at 8:58 am

      I see where all the spam is gone but the profile is still there (at least when I click on it). If he were banned that should be gone too. I can’t believe it’s still there, after all this.

      • Anna

        12/29/2012 at 1:42 pm

        Update: *Now* he’s gone. Thank goodness. Now then (at risk of sounding like a batty parrot), if site admins could just get around to these other abuse reports piling up…

    • yemi hikari

      12/29/2012 at 6:18 pm

      I’m hoping they don’t implement a limit. Some of the writers have days where they can update a lot at a time and that is how they work best. I was thinking of suggesting on having a limit on a persons account for a period of time, but then the spammers would just wait longer then the month or two. It isn’t an easy fix.

  27. Rafanan

    12/29/2012 at 11:08 pm

    How do i reacept terms and conditions

  28. While

    12/30/2012 at 7:32 am

    Yeah, the jerk is back. Unfortunately with morons like these flooding the site with spam, FF may have no choice but to set a limit.

  29. While

    12/30/2012 at 7:43 am

    I know what FF could do!

    While blocking users on the site, blocking said users could also block their stories. So in other words we would no longer see this whole occupy thing. I hope they take this suggestion, because all of this spam is giving me a headache – –

    • yemi hikari

      12/31/2012 at 7:13 pm

      Or the site admins could implement a program that will not upload stories that have a word repeated over and over, or small phrase. Not that it would be easy to program, but it would help them out.

  30. Cheryl Jones

    12/30/2012 at 1:48 pm

    There is another guy posting the ‘OCCUPY’ spam. Here is his link: The people who post this crap should be banned.

  31. A Spell Uncast

    12/30/2012 at 2:01 pm

    Umm, forums are glitching now, what do I do?

  32. TheWordMaster

    12/30/2012 at 2:28 pm

    Is it just me, or are there issues with the FF forums? I’d love to know if this is being fixed or not.

    • TheWordMaster

      12/30/2012 at 2:28 pm

      And by issues, I mean you cannot post anything.

  33. Lord Kelvin

    12/30/2012 at 3:23 pm

    Forums aren’t working. When trying to post “FanFiction.Net Error Type 1” appears.

  34. Sarah

    12/30/2012 at 3:34 pm


  35. Lynn Hollander.

    12/30/2012 at 3:58 pm

    I’m trying to correct my misspelled name. What’s the best way to do that?

  36. Reilly

    12/30/2012 at 5:42 pm

    Any chance at getting the forums fixed? They’ve been down for about 3-4 hours now. Error Type 1 pops up whenever we attempt to reply to a post or edit a post already made. This is happening in both Firefox and Google Chrome.

  37. Anon

    12/30/2012 at 7:59 pm

    Forums have been down for many hours. Every time I try to post, “FanFiction.Net Error Type 1” shows up.

  38. A. Good One

    12/30/2012 at 10:51 pm

    I just visited the Misc. Books category and found seven actual fanfictions on the first four pages. Seven. Everything else was original fiction or poetry, personal journals, author announcements, and even one school history report on Hitler. WHY is this stuff allowed to linger in the Misc, Books category on a fanfiction site?

    I would also like to point out that the One Direction Infection has spread to FictionPress.

    Xing, while we all appreciate the upgrades and improvements taking place here, is it at all possible for you to start enforcing the rules that already exist? Perhaps you need to worry less about new bells and whistles, and more about cleaning up the current mess.

    You’ve got One Direction fans proudly declaring that their storiies MUST be okay because admins aren’t removing them; authors of original fiction swearing that the Misc, Books section MUST be for original work because no one ever gets deleted; “Homestuck” writers crowing that they MUST be allowed to write in second person because the silence from site admins MUST mean “Homestuck” is exempt from the rules.

    We NEED to hear from you. This site some needs a presence of authority to enforce something, somewhere.

    • Moi

      12/31/2012 at 10:25 am


      Whilst the bells and whistles are nice, enforcing of the rules would be SO much better. I’m fed up of people thinking that it’s OK to do all these rule breaking things because nothing ever gets done about it!

      Yes, people will be upset to start with (as evidenced the last time the admins actually did anything), but that will pass eventually. The site would be SO much better for it!

      • Lynn Hollanfer.

        12/31/2012 at 4:44 pm

        Moi and A. Good One: How do the non-genre stories actively harm the average reader/author? Beyond just offending your sense of propriety, that is. Do they take up space you need for your stories? Lure away your readers? Do they violate the rating systems? If the staff –those who can sort everything out– don’t find them objectionable, why should you? This sounds like conformity solely for the sake of conformity. If you can’t prove you’ve been harmed, why don’t you ignore them?

      • yemi hikari

        12/31/2012 at 7:22 pm

        @ Lynn – When someone posts/updates a story that breaks the site rules, it bumps a non-rule breaking story further down on the list. This means these stories have less chance of getting hits and thus less chance of getting favorites, alerts and reviews. That is proof enough that the rule breaking fanfics do in fact hurt those who post stories that don’t break the site rules. These stories aren’t being removed because the site admins don’t find them objectionable, but because they need to catch up on the rule breaking fanfics.

    • KageNoNeko

      01/06/2013 at 7:08 pm

      This!!!! It’s insane at how many One Direction fanfics are around on this website.

  39. Silverr

    12/31/2012 at 4:11 pm

    1. Wait, second person isn’t allowed? (I realize it can be misused for CYOA things, but it’s a legitimate stylistic device apart from that.)

    2. I am happy to see the my beloved bars back.

    3. I have always hoped that some day we’d be able to view daily hit data – either by a) having a “Day” dropdown along with the month one, b) clicking the day’s bar to see where the hits are coming from or c) being able to download a .csv file of the raw traffic data ( which we could then load into a spreadsheet for lovely lovely pie charts ;p)

    Happy sparkly holidays to all~!

    • yemi hikari

      12/31/2012 at 7:30 pm

      1. There is actual debate as to whether it is allowed or not. Since “second person/you based” is on the list of what they consider to be interactive, it is assumed this may mean all of them.

    • Blue-Inked Frost

      01/02/2013 at 10:55 pm

      @Silver –

      Recently, on Tumblr, someone posted this, where apparently the moderator Zack okayed the form of second person that is *not* a story directly inserting the reader, but rather a way of writing a canon character’s point of view.

      Me: Well what I’m referring to isn’t “you” as in the reader. But “you” as in a character.
      For instance,
      ” He hates the curse on your face, your bleached old-man hair, and probably your smile most of all. This man loathes your presence, even if you don’t feel the same.”
      It’s specifically describing a character from the series as “you” and in no way indicates the reader as being a part of the story.
      This isn’t “interactive” as there’s specification of a certain character. It’s Second person from a third person if that makes sense. I just can’t believe that all second person would be eliminated because some of them write interactive pieces. I can’t see that being fair.
      Thank you for your time.
      Zack from FF.NET: From your description and sample, I do not see any conflict with the site guideline.

      This may not be official, but I take it as a positive sign for people who want to use second person point of view as a literary device about canon characters. Which can be well-done as a story with literary merits, just like other stylistic devices.

      • yemi hikari

        01/03/2013 at 2:02 am

        You shouldn’t believe everything you find on the net. Why would the site admins take the time to answer one persons question when they are busy with the beta-testing for the big feature they are going to release in a couple of weeks on top of having a major backlog when it comes to the reported stories? There are a lot of people asking this same question, so wouldn’t it be more prudent to clarify it on the blog?

        On top of this, something bothers me about the warning. All second person whether it is interactive or not uses the kind of wording that is used in the sample given. On top of this, even if the “you” is a self-insert it still counts as a character. One could argue that they meant no self-inserts, but the rule doesn’t say “you based”, it says “second person/you based”. Not to mention the fact self inserts (the one that is the real person rather then an author avatar mind you) is covered by the rule about non-historical, non-fictional characters, so why include it a second time?

        So… I just don’t buy it.

      • A. Good One

        01/03/2013 at 7:00 am

        I don’t buy it either, Yemi. We’ve all seen recent examples of cut & paste “proof” on Tumblr and right here on WordPress, and it would be foolish to believe anything so easily.

        At least this one did some research. Yes, there is a “Zack” on FFNet staff. I’ve received a few responses from him, but they are brief and form-letter-type of responses to reports, never personal replies to questions like that. With all of the people sending in this same question with regards to second person POV, why would “Zack” choose to answer this ONE person but not anyone else?

        No, I’m not buying it.

      • yemi hikari

        01/03/2013 at 2:40 am

        I mean “entry”, not “warning”…

      • Song

        01/04/2013 at 11:40 pm

        It would be nice if the staff would clarify. Second-person fiction isn’t necessarily interactive, and the rule as it’s written is horribly open to confusion — to the point where I know of someone who had staff apparently take different views of a case. It would be EXTREMELY simple for them to clarify the rule, but they seem unwilling to take the 5 minutes to do so.

  40. Lynn Hollanfer.

    12/31/2012 at 6:53 pm

    Well, this is annoying: Apparently I cannot correct my misspelled name. All comments get tagged ‘awaiting moderation’, then they’re dumped. I don’t care for being known as ‘Lynn Hollanfer’, but there seems to be nothing I can do about it.

    • A. Good One

      01/02/2013 at 8:12 am

      Lynn, you ask who is harmed by the original fiction and real-person fiction showing up in the misc. categories on FFNet. Well, what about the people who want to read an actual FANfiction on a FANfiction site? If I want to look through the Misc. Books section, why should I have to scroll past original fiction, personal journals and homework assignments to find something buried on page four? It is not fair for me, the reader, to have to weed through pages of “I didn’t know where else to put this angry rant about my boyfriend/grandma/teacher/neighbor, so I’ll stick it here” or “These are just my random notes about a story I want to write someday”.

      As a writer, why should I have to tolerate having my work buried behind that crap? I have no problem with competing with other works of fanfiction on a fanfiction site, but I shouldn’t have to fight to have my work noticed among announcements of “I’m taking a break from writing for a while so I’m posting this announcement here in Misc. Books” or “OMG can you believe Kristin cheated on Rob?!”

      The writers who put their original work on the wrong site are also harming themselves. I have seen some outstanding poetry and creative work on FFNet that goes largely unnoticed because it’s in the wrong place. Wouldn’t those writers fare better if they posted on an appropriate site? Why would someone fight for the right to put an original sci-fi saga on a fanfiction site for one or two readers, rather than in the sci-fi category of FictionPress, where it could attract a larger audience?

      As far as the issue of real person fiction is concerned, it has been argued to death that it opens the site up for potential lawsuits. Whether a lawsuit ever happens or not is not the issue; the potential exists, and the people who own and run this site have said they don’t want it here, so don’t put it here.

      Also consider the fact that a large amount of the real person fiction is not only pornographic in nature, it is written about celebrities who are underage. You don’t think this site can get in HUGE trouble for hosting stories about fifteen-year-olds having anal sex on a tour bus?

      What it boils down to, Lynn, is not conformity but respect. Respect for one’s self as a writer, respect for one’s fellow readers and writers on the two sites, and respect for the people who own and run this site. We are visitors in their “home”. If they asked us to keep our feet off the coffee table and always use a coaster for our drinks, wouldn’t we respect those wishes? Well then, why not show that same respect for their wishes about this site?

      I think that you are arguing here for the sake of arguing.

  41. Anna

    12/31/2012 at 7:12 pm

    @Lynn Hollanfer Why can’t the people who write original fiction post their stuff on FictionPress, FanFiction’s sister site of all things, and be so defiant when they have it pointed out to them (I’ve given up on reviewing them)? Why can’t the One Direction “authors” post their stuff on the not one, but FOUR one Direction sites to choose from? Same goes for all the other people who write real person fiction, there are sites that allow that kind of stuff so there’s no reason to come and clutter this one up. Non-story content like lists, polls, and announcements? That’s what profiles are for. Queries about a story? They need to post those in forums, not story archives. They make it harder to find stories that I do want to read. I’d know because when I was trying to go through Misc. Movies, I had a heck of a time because not only is it hard enough to find something in there since the search feature doesn’t always show up what I want, but there was a number of things that didn’t belong there. That was only Misc. movies, the other Misc. categories are many times over worse. It’s not fair to rule abiding readers and the authors. It’s rather hard to just “ignore”, and I for one will most definitely *not* ignore it. Obviously you don’t read or write for anything that goes in Misc., unless you’re one of the rule breakers yourself, that is.

    It can take a while for the site admins to get around to category requests, so a lot of people suck it up and just post in Misc. with a lot of irrelevant stuff that doesn’t belong there, and their chances at traffic, reviews, and favorites/alerts are greatly decreased. I’d know because when I finally got my own category (I had to wait two months, by that time I’d sent three emails and humiliated myself by begging in the last one), my stats increased very much compared to the nothing I was getting in the abused Misc. category.

    I will mention again that some of these people are going into specific categories and are pulling this stunt too. That needs to stop as well.

    I wish the Misc. categories could be temporarily locked or frozen or something like that, while the site admins clean them out. It’s just so unfair and senseless that they have to be so abused. I and the others won’t settle for it and will continue to speak up about it until something more proactive is done.

    There needs to be another good purge and then dedicated regular maintenance throughout the whole year, not just seasonally as evidenced by this past summer, when I thought things were finally changing for the better. If the person who usually handles abuse reports and category requests can’t handle that, then another person needs to be brought on. Things can’t go on like this, it’s unfair on many levels. Misc. categories deserve more respect instead of being treated like a dump site.

    It’s ridiculous that people can’t follow a few basic set of rules and find another options, some idiotically obvious, to post on that are out there. The site admins need to step up and make them realize they won’t accept this. They were doing that just fine this past summer.

    • yemi hikari

      12/31/2012 at 7:36 pm

      What you said. I actually have written for some of the misc. categories. Nobody wants to check out the misc. categories because nobody can use them like they’re supposed to be used. Thus the stories don’t get as many reviews as they would if they weren’t rule breaking stories. And I agree that the misc. categories need to be frozen. Some need to be gotten rid of, like the Digimon/Pokemon crossover section.

    • Lynn Hollanfer.

      12/31/2012 at 8:28 pm

      ‘Real person fiction’ –I’ve always been of the opinion that historical fiction is fanfic on reality. Good historical fiction, that is. Making up your own history a la The Tudors or The Borgias is another matter. Both those shows should be labelled ‘historical fantasy’.
      I write on FictionPress, and many of your terms are unknown to me. Both sites are large enough to deal with variations/comments/reviews/general discussion/essays without suffering a lot of unnecessary anxiety, especially if you consider them writing circles, and not just publishing sites.
      Lobby for better search engines, certainly, but don’t go overboard and attempt to enforce conformity for the sake of conformity.

      • Anna

        12/31/2012 at 9:14 pm

        How on earth are we “going overboard”? What is so unreasonable about people following a few basic simple rules, just plain common sense? Real person fiction, aka fiction that’s about real live people, NOT “historical figures”, isn’t allowed on the site. Plain and simple. Bands like One Direction and singers like Justin Bieber hardly classify as “historical” right now, I believe.

        You still haven’t acknowledged why people who write original fiction and post it on FanFiction can’t acknowledge their mistake and correct it by posting on the proper web site, which is FictionPress.Or why people who write real person fiction can’t post it on the sites that allow it. One Direction and Justin Bieber fans most especially have no excuse, as they have numerous options to choose from.

        There’s no reason why Misc. have to be treated as a dumping ground when there’s such simple solutions to the problems, but the kiddies won’t do it because they’re too self centered and lazy and hate being told they’re wrong. The site admins should and can step up and be more proactive.

        What “terms” are unknown to you? Traffic, reviews, favorites, alerts shouldn’t be unknown to someone on FictionPress. I think we’ve made our cases more than clear.

      • Anna

        12/31/2012 at 9:37 pm

        By the way, if we were really “going overboard” and wanted the rules “enforced for the sake of conformity”, I would be moaning and groaning about every other single rule breaker on the site, but I don’t. Why? Because all the other rule breakers have a chance to be corrected to conform to site’s rules. Real person and original fiction are the only two that do not. You asked for proof and perspective about how that kind of abuse affects the categories, and again, I think we’ve made it abundantly clear how it does.

  42. Lynn Hollanfer.

    01/01/2013 at 2:42 pm

    Having ‘my own category’ is a new idea to me. It seems easy to acquire if all it takes is three emails and and a relatively short waiting period. How specialized can the sub-divisions get?

    ‘… acknowledged why people who write original fiction and post it on FanFiction can’t acknowledge their mistake … .’ –I have no idea, so I can’t explain why.

    This is the closest anyone has come to stating how actual harm can occur –“When someone posts/updates a story that breaks the site rules, it bumps a non-rule breaking story further down on the list” –but that’s also true of all the conforming stories published/updated after a given story too.

    From the rules: “Stories with non-historical and non-fictional characters: actors, musicians, and etc(sic)” — it’s not very helpful. ‘Non-historical’ is an ill-defined restriction. History begins yesterday. If the intent of this rule is that _living persons_ of any type or occupation cannot be characters or subjects, it should be rewritten.

    • yemi hikari

      01/02/2013 at 2:59 am

      “but that’s also true of all the conforming stories published/updated after a given story too”

      It isn’t the same thing as legitimate stories do not steal hits/reviews/favorites/follows from other stories because they are legit.

      “History begins yesterday.”

      You are arguing that if something is now in the past it qualifies as being history, yet we all know that the comments you made a few minutes ago or even yesterday do not in fact qualify as historical events. While there is debate as to how long one must wait until something is an historical event or for someone to be considered a historical character, there is an agreement that at least ten years has to have passed and that there has to be a major contribution to the historical time line of something that is important to more then just a select few. One Direction has not made any significant contribution, thus they do not count as historical characters.

      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        01/02/2013 at 3:32 am

        Technically, I agree that history begins the next day. As for major contributions, I would say that’s up for debate. People who become famous are automatically historical because people know who they are. How much impact they have on global or national scales vary, and thus their impact on people varies, but just because their existence has little import to those who don’t care about them doesn’t mean they are not historical.

    • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

      01/02/2013 at 3:21 am

      Nah. Real person fiction is usually in reference to specific people alive now. I think that sort of fiction shouldn’t be written or allowed anywhere, because it’s an ethical issue to me. Naturally, the problem generally occurs with people in the public eye, but if you take some element that is not personally identifiable, like having generic lawyers or mechanics in your fics, that’s different. You aren’t singling out any one person and blatantly using their likeness. Even referring to the real people is not a problem. It’s when you have them actually actively engaged in the fic as a character and not a passing mention that it’s counted as RPF.

      • KageNoNeko

        01/06/2013 at 7:44 pm

        ^I agree with you about the ethical considerations about RPF.

  43. Veniae

    01/01/2013 at 2:46 pm

    Hi there! First off, happy New Year!

    I have a suggestion to make (not sure if this is the right place, but I hope so).

    Anyway, while I was submitting a chapter from my story, I realised that the editor didn’t recognise the “~*~” as a rule/separating line – it actually doesn’t seem to recognise these characters at all? It’s a bit bothersome, since, in stories with varying POVs (and not only) people use various characters to separate the parts from one another. Without this separation the story looks plain confusing.

    Thank you for reading and I’ll hope you’ll consider this issue!

  44. Anna

    01/01/2013 at 3:44 pm

    Well, not *my* own category, but a category for the specific thing I wanted to write about. Two months to me isn’t a short period of time, and if I hadn’t sent the other two emails and lowered myself to begging in the third one, I would’ve probably had to wait even longer than that. I know some people have had to wait even longer than me to get categories.

    I don’t begrudge other peoples stories that do follow the rules, they are relevant to the site. But things that aren’t relevant, like real person and original fiction (along with non-stories) have absolutely none and should be posted to the appropriate web site. Original fiction authors have no excuse, and out of all the real person offenders, the One Direction and Justin Bieber fans have no excuse because they have very clear options to choose from. All it takes is a ridiculously quick Google search and there they are. I point out the One Direction and Justin Bieber fans also because they’re the most prolific of offenders. And I’ll say again, it’s not just for rule abiding fanfiction authors, it’s for readers too who have to sift through all of that. If wouldn’t be nearly as difficult if people would just use some common sense and decency and post their rule breakers to the appropriate site. It’s a pain in the butt to go through the category taking longer than usual t9 find the appropriate story when all one comes across is various real person fiction and original fiction that flat out doesn’t belong there. Really, their stories are the equivalent to what the “OCCUPY” spammer was doing the other day in some of the archives (which I hope they come up with a better way of dealing with that too, the site has enough abuse without that garbage adding to it). It’s not relevant to the site, plain and simple. It takes up space and is a pain in the butt to rule abiding authors and readers alike.

    The site admins shouldn’t have to add tagging and better search engines while avoiding the needless abuse that continues. It’s like putting a band-aid on a deep cut that keeps on bleeding.

    Well, if the children and even supposed adults have to have it spoon fed to them what “non-fictional” means, then I guess the rule has to be rewritten then. But that’s the thing, even then, they *still* don’t care and have said the “rules are stupid” as well as insulting me, along with others who dare to give their story anything other than strict praise. That’s where the admins need to step up and not let the abuse reports pile up instead of only doing some temporary, seasonal purge/purges such as what went on in May through August of 2012. It needs to be all year-round. I think it can be accomplished if more people were on staff, or if there were a better abuse report system. I don’t know for sure what their setup is.

    Either way, something more proactive is going to have to be done, as it can’t keep up like this. I do think Xing could take a minute to at least acknowledge our concerns and give us some kind of reassurance. I do believe he’s the one who created the rules after all and had the report abuse system implemented. Wasn’t a lawsuit threatened over a real person fiction, hence the whole reason for the rule? Just because One Direction and Justin Bieber haven’t sued yet doesn’t mean it can’t happen, or that someone else who gets written about won’t.

  45. Sasha

    01/01/2013 at 6:08 pm

    I’m going to lobby for a better PM system. I had a rather nasty run in with a writer yesterday who did not take kindly to constructive criticism and after sending me three heated PM’s, she then blocked me before I could further respond. I don’t care that I can’t contact her, I have no intention of engaging in any further shouting matches with her, but I would like to at least be able to see the 3 PM’s she sent me, considering she accused me of posting one of her messages in a review, which I definitely did not do. Two of her messages were short enough that they were not cut off by the site in the email, but the long one was and it’s that one I wish I could retrieve, just in case I want to file a harassment report against her. So please site administrators, allow us to at least be able to view our PM’s, even if we can’t contact the other person.

    • Mademise

      01/01/2013 at 9:42 pm

      Seconded. It would be very helpful if one could still access PMs from a person after they’d blocked you.

      • Plunkett

        01/03/2013 at 9:35 pm

        I third this suggestion.

      • Shawnesty

        01/04/2013 at 4:21 pm

        Thirding this!

    • Wade

      01/05/2013 at 1:22 pm

      Well, you can’t really file a harassment report against her if she stopped. She moved on. So should you. However, I suggest that you put more thought into a review before you post. You obviously wounded her. That may have not been your intent, but that’s what happened. Put some cushion in your reviews to soften the blow and reread them to make sure it’s not just full of personal opinions. An author can’t cater to a single reader.

      • Sasha

        01/09/2013 at 6:21 pm

        Wade: Wow, did you just REALLY tell me how to review? What gives you that right to dictate how people can review? I suggest YOU put more thought into what you say before going around shooting your mouth off and making assumptions over what transpired in this situation without even knowing what happened. Are you the writer herself, lurking this blog to see if anyone says anything about her? I know how to leave constructive criticism, I don’t need anyone’s advice. No one asked the writer to cater to a single reader and in fact, I was not the original reviewer she was pitching an unholy fit over. Someone anonymously pointed out some major flaws in her work and while the anonymous review was very pleasant and respectful, her response to the reviewer definitely was not. She worked up a rather nasty attitude, ranting in her author notes and actually even posting one note as a single chapter, saying that she was leaving the site because one person pointed out the issues in her work. It was very disrespectful to the fandom, the readers, and the other writers for her to act in such a childish, immature fashion. I contacted her in response to her wildly outrageous rants and advised her to cool her attitude, she was making herself look really bad, then when she said she was leaving the site because one person did not like her work, I told her that maybe that was for the best, at least until she could grow up and act like the adult she supposedly was. I was in no way disrespectful or mean to her, but she certainly was to me.

        So thank you for trying to tell me how to review without even knowing my reviewing style. Thank you for making assumptions about the situation without knowing the circumstances under which they occurred. I suggest to you that perhaps you learn to be a little more respectful to the posters on here and make sure YOUR comments are devoid of personal opinion, which your post certainly was full of, Wade.

    • ShikiKira

      01/05/2013 at 11:05 pm

      Were you notified of the PM in your email? If you did you should have a copy of the PM.

      • Sasha

        01/06/2013 at 4:10 pm

        Yes, I did receive part of the PM in the email notification. However, when the PM goes past a certain character count, the site truncates it and cuts it off, forcing you to go into your inbox to retrieve the full message. With this person having blocked me, I cannot access the message, I get a notification that I’m not allowed to PM the user. So all I have of the message is what few paragraphs are visible in the email.

  46. Anna

    01/02/2013 at 9:10 pm

    I’ve noticed something. The only stories that seem to be getting removed quickly are completely new stories that get reported in less than a day of being published, especially stories that I’ve come across in the “Just In” section. But stories that have been around longer with new updates aren’t. What’s up with that?

    This is why I like the email version of abuse reports better than the report form on a story page, because I can’t be on the site every single hour of every day to catch a story before a twenty-four hour period is up. I like sending in a list of stories along with links to the author (in case the story gets reposted and I can include that info in an email) every few days, weekly, or so. It’s so much easier, but email reports being answered seemed to cease by August, even though I’ve still continued to send them. I’ve been formatting the subject correctly, are my emails somehow ending up marked as spam or going to the trash without being looked at?

    Xing, should I continue to send in email abuse reports anymore? Will my other emails ever be answered?

    • yemi hikari

      01/03/2013 at 2:09 am

      It may have something to do with the spammer that hit recently. It is there way of stopping another incident from occurring.

  47. Nispedana

    01/03/2013 at 12:00 am

    Thank you for your hard work and I’m looking forward to the next updates~ XD

    Ah… I’d just like to ask why the cover images no longer appear when we share the links in facebook?

  48. Shawnesty

    01/03/2013 at 12:09 am

    It’s probably unrealistic, but something I’d love to see on this site (and on WWOMB/AO3, too) is some way of protecting the stories from being downloaded and saved into a zip file that is then shared among fans. While I know that publishing on the internet allows anyone access to a story, the reason many post on a public site like this is to get reader feedback and when a story is downloaded and shoved into a private zip file, that pretty much eliminates any potential for reader feedback and it opens the work up to plagiarism, plus it also strips the writer of any hit counts to their work and it drains an active site of the traffic needed to support it. My theory is if a story is on an active site, it should be read and enjoyed on that site, not downloaded into someone’s private file that they then pass around to anyone who requests it. One of the sites I’m on has the stories set up as password protected or read only, thus preventing anyone from copying the work, at least not without the writer’s permission. Don’t know how much trouble that would be for a site this size to undertake, but hey, I’ll lobby for it.

    I’m also in total agreement about the rule-breaking fics and non-fanfic stories either needing to be taken down or moved to the right sites. I’m considering writing a story for a very obscure fandom and while I have made a request that the fandom be added, if it’s not, I’ll wind up posting the story in one of the miscellaneous fandoms, either novel or movie (it was both). Not looking forward to fighting against the tide of One Direction/Justin Beiber fics or the other non-fanfic/non-story junk that litters those realms.

    • yemi hikari

      01/03/2013 at 2:39 am

      I think you mean copying stories, because actually downloading them would involve hacking the site. Blocking the ability to copy/paste a story would only make a small dent in the plagiarism problem. If a person is insecure enough about their writing to feel the need to steal someones work, they will in fact take the time to copy a story by hand. I also don’t agree with you that passing a fanfic privately is wrong either. Yeah, it takes away from the traffic a writer gets on the site, but this is no different from a published writer losing a sale because a person borrowed a book from the library or a friend rather then buying it for themselves. On top of this, some people prefer to read the fanfiction printed out, while others have to copy it into a program that allows them to hear the story, and others highlight a section at a time to make it easier for them to read. My experience with sites that disallow copying hasn’t been good either, not to mention the decision to make the change on one site I know of was met with an uproar from the users.

      As for your second point, that is why I think I haven’t posted any more fanfiction for a rather unknown series, let alone written anything. I know it is going to be buried. The point of writing down and posting is to share the stories.

      • RWFF

        01/03/2013 at 8:26 am

        I know of a individual/group that collects stories from a realm because of another site that is set up for requesting and finding stories for that realm. Here’s how it works; person asks for story they can’t find and another person provides a link to a the site its on. If the site no longer available on the Internet then a file is sometimes sent to the requester. What’s happening is a a person(s) from that site copies and pastes stories (from this site for example) into Word and saves them. When someone asks where to find the story this person(s) sends the file rather than link to the writer’s story.

        It’s the misuse of being able to copy and paste that’s the big problem. It’s one thing for a person to download or copy and paste the story and save a copy for their own personal use (solitary) or to read at their leisure or what not with no intention of sharing or passing it around to others. In some cases you have others abusing it by collecting stories in a fandom and passing around a zip file created from those collected stories around. Just like with everything else, it is always the abusers that ruin it.

        I wouldn’t mind some form of ‘lockdown’ feature to prevent copying and pasting. Probably too much asking for a feature that gives a writer the choice or it may not be possible. This may or may not be a viable solution, but prevent copying and pasting directly from the site but allow an actual download of a .pdf version of the story. I know you can view .pdf on specialty devices for the visually impaired and you can have a secure .pdf that prevents copying and or printing of the file after it is downloaded. The security options with .pdf files can also prevent them from being converted to another file format such as Word.

        As far a printing goes, you can always print using the Print command from the web browser. Not the greatest thing either because you’ll get the advertising and everything else displayed on the page you’re printing. For those special reader programs you’re talking about, don’t know how they work and if they’re dependent on pasting into the another program. If the special software for visually impaired works by selected text then there may be a way to come up with something that allows for selecting text, but deny the ability to copy and thus paste it somewhere else.

      • yemi hikari

        01/03/2013 at 12:39 pm

        I remember hearing awhile back that there is a way around copy blocks. It was around the time a site I used in fact used to have a copy block system. Those who are serious enough will find a way to copy and all copy block does is prevent the people from copying for legitimate reasons, not those who want to abuse the system. If the site does in fact implement a copy block, the methods to get around it will become wide spread as well, because they will be used by the people who are doing it for legit reasons. To create a blocking system that would actually stop people from copying with the background method would require a fair amount of programming on the admins parts. On top of this, this is punishing the many for the actions of a few.

      • Phil

        01/03/2013 at 2:01 pm

        A funny way of using the copy block would be to somehow limiting the highlighting feature to only one sentence at a time. That way, plagiarizers would have to go sentence by sentence to copy someone else’s story, which would be a time consuming task. Of course, ones that are serious would still do it, but it would definitely deter the lazy ones.

        Think about it; A 30 000 word story (based off one of mine) has over 2600 sentences. To copy each one of those at a time, paste them into a separate document and go back for more would take very long, for pretty much no financial gain.

        This also wouldn’t really affect most reviewers too. Pointing out a line or two that didn’t make sense is still possible. The exception to these people would be the ones that take entire paragraphs to revise them for the writer, and the block would all but stop that from happening, unless those reviewers were really serious.

        Honestly, I have no idea if this isn’t even or possible. Hell, it probably wouldn’t even be practical. It was just an idea floating around in my head that I though, “Hey, why not?”

        Just saying…

      • Shawnest

        01/03/2013 at 4:30 pm

        Yes, I meant “copy” instead of “download”…the hazards of writing when it’s 2:30 in the morning and my brain is fried. Maybe it’s a pipe dream to wish for some way to prevent people from copying and pasting work, but what’s the harm in posting the request? As RWFF said, it’s very easy for someone to just print the story out from the site it’s on if they wish to do so, and considerations could be made for those with eyesight impairments, although I have no idea how the logistics of that would work, I’m not a computer whiz. And yeah, it wouldn’t prevent plagiarism altogether, but it’d sure as heck put a dent in it because right now it’s really easy for someone to do a cut and paste of a story…I’ve seen it done in plenty of fandoms. Plus, there is absolutely no good reason someone should be copying works to put in a zip file that is then shared, especially if the works are readily available on an open site and all one has to do is use a link to get to the story in order to read it. Sad thing is, the person I’ve seen doing this kind of act is also a writer and has decided for all the other writers in that fandom that because they’re fine with having their work shared that way, so must everyone else because “it’s still feedback.” Well, how do we KNOW it’s feedback unless we have the actual hits or reviews that are generated on the site the story was originally posted on? In the very least, if someone wants to copy a story into a zip file, they should ask the author if they have a problem with that and if they do, then respect their wishes and don’t copy their work.

        Too many sites have closed down and too many writers have quit writing for lack of readership and this may be one of the big reasons why, people are copying and passing the work around in a zip file, thereby denying the site/writer the support needed to keep going. I mean really, if you owned a private site and had to pay money to keep it running, would you want to keep paying on a dead horse if no one seemed to be reading on it, simply because people were copying the works into zip files to be shared? Remember, unlike a published writer who WILL see some form of payment on their work, even that that is circulated in a library, the only way fanfic writers get paid is through the feedback we receive either by hit counts or reviews.

        I’m actually not going to let the proliferation of Bieber/One Direction/other non-fanfic garbage deter me from writing because not only is the point of writing and posting your work to share it with others, but I also like the variety it allows my creative mind to explore. I’ve tried to pre-advertise that I’m writing this story by mentioning it on my profile and letting folks that might be interested in reading it that when it’s finished, I’ll let them know where it’s at.

      • Plunkett

        01/03/2013 at 9:32 pm

        @Yemi, I always love your responses, you can be counted on quite often to go the exact opposite of beneficial suggestions, almost as if you don’t want to see features implemented that would help both readers and writers on here. You’re very much a Doubting Thomas and at times you seem out to shout down and discourage anyone who doesn’t agree with you…not that you can’t argue for the sake of arguing, but sometimes you come off as a teensy bit disrespectful, not to mention a bit of a know-it-all, although I’m quite sure you don’t exactly mean to do so because I suspect that like all posters on the blog, you want your opinions to be taken seriously, right?

        I think you kind of missed the point of the original suggestion here and offered up some rather questionable defenses as to why the site should not implement any kind of feature that prevents people from copypasta-ing a writer’s work. While I’m sure the site has its share of readers with vision impairments, I imagine that some kind of allowance could be made for those readers that would still let the writer protect their work. Plagiarism is running rampant nowadays and I’m all for any kind of copy block or other feature that would prevent thieves from copying someone’s hard work and passing it off as their own. And while your own experience with a site that had a copy block feature was evidently not to your liking, as the poster pointed out, when sites stop getting traffic or readers because everyone is passing the stories from that site around in a zip file, they are apt to shut down. Think of it this way, everyone is complaining about the glut of One Direction fanfic on here, well, what if the OD fanfic sites that are dedicated to serving those fans and readers shuts down because the work is being copied into a zip, so that means those writers will be dumping their work onto a site like this because they have no other site to post to. And you’re missing the big point, too…you may be fine with having your work shared like that, but unless you own the work that is being passed around, you really don’t have a right to put it into a zip file unless you have the author’s permission.

      • RWFF

        01/04/2013 at 12:28 am

        There probably is a way around copy blocks, the question is how many would go through the trouble of finding them. One thing to keep in mind about a person copying and pasting for the purpose of plagiarizing is also this is a person that is too lazy to work at writing on their own. Safeguards or deterrents may discourage a goodly number of them because they are too lazy to be bothered looking for a hacker/cracker program to get what they want.

        You will ALWAYS find someone that knows how to bypass those safeguards or security measures. You will also find that if there are safeguards or security in place it acts a deterrent for many who would abuse something left wide open but won’t when the hatches are battened down.

        Remember laws aren’t made for people that follow them, but for the few that break them. Yes, its sad that everyone pays a price when a few misuse something. I can give several examples in my workplace where policies had to be adjusted because someone abused something. It only takes one person to ruin it for many.

        The other deterrent the site can use which I find it does not, is to act on abuse reports. If several people have filed the same complaint on the same story/author, the least they can do is investigate it. We had an issue with a person who admitted they were under 13 in their profile and I know numerous people filled out an abuse report. Nothing was done. The account wasn’t locked or banned, NOTHING. There’s more to this than what I’m telling, but ffnet did nothing. If the site took a stronger stance on enforcing their rules that would also act as a deterrent for a multitude of abuses across many realms.

        I get that this is a large site and perhaps the time the site admins have to weed out the valid and invalid reports is very limited.

      • konarciq

        01/04/2013 at 5:48 am

        Is there anything illegal about copying your favourite stories (which you have already read on the website) onto a Word document, and upload them to your kindle so you can read them anywhere you want?

        Sorry, but although I can see the benefits of impairing plagiarists with this, I don’t think this is a good idea.
        And besides, someone who wants to do bad things usually finds a way to do it no matter what obstacles you put in place. No need to “punish” everyone for that.

      • yemi hikari

        01/04/2013 at 2:19 pm

        @ Phil – For people who have a learning disability that causes them to struggle with reading would find having to highlight every single sentence to be a hassle and this is not a group you wish to alienate as this is the group we’re typically trying to get reading. I also don’t think it is possible without complex programing.

        @RWFF – The first thing you don’t understand is that the ways around copy blocks cater to those plagiarists who are actually to lazy to write something for themselves. Second, you’ve made the false assumption that plagiarists are lazy because they don’t do their own writing. The majority of plagiarists actually don’t plagiarize because they’re to lazy to write their own stuff, but because they lack confidence in their own abilities or because they are wanting to toll the fandom.

        I think I’ve said this before somewhere, implementing a copy block will not be a major deterrent like those who are pushing for it think it would be. Those who troll are the ones who are most likely to find a way around the block and most other plagiarists will take the time to put the fanfic up in one half of the screen and type in the word document in the other half. So this ends up being a deterrent for a very, very small portion of those who would plagiarize out there and instead being a deterrent for a good deal of the people on the site.

        I’m going to point our here that rules and policies are not the same thing as laws. Most companies will also not implement rules and policies that negatively effect the ability of their workers to actually do their work. As for laws, I don’t even want to get into that subject other then the fact it is even farther off.

        @konarciq – Not only is there nothing wrong with copying your favorite stories, or even sharing them with others, I’ve gathered from my research that this used to be the way fanfiction got around on the net before there was such a place like ffnet to post their stories, so even after the site was put up, it wasn’t considered bad ethics to copy and pass stories around so long as you credited the writer. It was no different then trading a book with a friend or a person from a book group. As for it being an actual “punishment” for those plagiarizing, it just ends up being a “punishment” for those who copy for legit means rather then the plagiarists, because as we’ve both said… most of them will find other means.

      • RWFF

        01/04/2013 at 4:19 pm

        Don’t presume to tell me what I understand and don’t understand. You’re no more an ‘authority’ on this than I am. AND if you read my post properly I don’t see where I am confusing laws, rules, policies, etc. I assure you I know the difference. AND nowhere did I mention rules are policies being implemented that prevented people from doing their jobs, what I said was I’ve seen policies come into play because of someone abusing something. To prevent the abuse or misuse a policies were developed in my workplace. So quit with the condescending attitude with me and also with others on the

        A few writers may lack the confidence in their skills and may resort to plagiarism, but most are simply too lazy to take the time and develop something on their own. They take the easy way out. Most people write fan fiction because they want to be part of a community. No I don’t agree I’ve made a false assumption there.

        I also stated that safeguards or deterrents would discourage a number of people. The question is how many would bother vs how many would? Compare it to a burglar: do they rob the house with the security system or the house without one?

        Part of my day job is administering tests and you can put all the safeguards you want in place to prevent cheating, however, there will always be a few that get around it. So make no mistake, I’m not naive enough to believe you can totally eliminate plagiarism on this site with any form of lockdown.

        Now if someone wants to go through the trouble and type out the content in a Word document they will. Let’s not make it easy by allowing them to do a copy and paste. If someone is doing research they can tile the windows side by side.

        As for people with disabilities, then I say the site needs to always be accessible to them and I wouldn’t want a lockdown if it meant the site wouldn’t be. I don’t know computer programming so I have no idea how complex it would be to come up with something that provides both.

        I’m sure we’ll hear more from the authority on everything.

      • Mimi

        01/04/2013 at 4:19 pm

        I have a suggestion: Instead of complaining or debating the issues that might arise from any of the various ideas or problems people have posted on here, why not put those brains to work and find a workable solution, instead of browbeating the suggestor or commentor with why their idea or complaint is wrong? I’ve been reading this blog since it started and I’ve kept my mouth shut because I figure I’m not a writer, I’m just a reader, so I have no stake or say in how the site is run. But it seems like there is a little group of dedicated naysayers that pop up whenever someone posts an idea or complaint that they disagree with, and honestly, a lot of times the naysayers’ responses come off as smug and superior, not to mention slightly disrespectful to the other posters. I’m sure you people don’t mean it that way and maybe you don’t even realize that it’s how you all sound at times, but it really does seem like the minute someone offers up an idea or has a complaint that you don’t agree with, you basically belittle that person for thinking of the idea or for having the complaint. Shouldn’t everyone’s opinions and input be respected on here, even if it’s something that one doesn’t agree with or feel is doable? Polite discourse is one thing, but like this suggestion of a copy block on the site…so someone threw it out there as an idea and sure enough, the naysayers pile on with why it isn’t sensible, why it will hurt disabled people, why it won’t stop plagiarism, blahdeblahdeblah and wow, can’t ANY suggestion be made without that kind of “You’re an idiot, your idea is stupid, and here’s why” attitude? Really, I’ve had ideas for the site that covers issues I’ve run across but I’m honestly afraid to put them on here because I don’t want to have them attacked or run down as being stupid.


      • Shawnesty

        01/04/2013 at 6:45 pm

        Has anyone on this site ever noticed the group of little naysayers, particularly one poster, that seems to pop up and dispute any idea/suggestion or complaint that they evidently deem stupid or disagree with? It’s one thing to engage in polite and respectful discourse, it’s another to come off as a condescending, superior, pompous little git who feels the need to respond to nearly every single post on here, lest the readers be deprived of their vast wealth of knowledge and experience. Maybe you all don’t realize what big jerks you come off as, but honestly? I think you’re very rude and disrespectful, not to mention extremely belittling of those you think offer inferior comments or suggestions. The inference I always get from this little group of naysayers is “I’m right, you’re wrong, you’re an idiot and your idea/suggestion/complaint is stupid and here’s why.” Oh, I know you’ll all say that I’m interpreting the comments wrong because I’ve seen that excuse offered before when others have pointed it out but you know, I’m not impressed at all by anyone with that kind of smug know-it-all attitude because my experience is that they’re talking through their hat in an effort to look big and important. And I don’t think anyone else on here is impressed, either. This blog is for everyone, last time I checked, and even if you disagree with someone’s opinion or comment, there’s no need to be a jerk about it and act like everyone but you folks are total idiots. Unless you people want assumptions or presumptions made about YOUR opinions or motives, then STOP making the same about everyone else’s opinions and motives. I’ve tangled already once in this blog post over the issue of plagiarism and I finally gave that up because it’s like arguing with a brick wall, the other person I was arguing with is “always right” and hey, we’ll see if “always right” is singing the same tune when they get plagiarised. I was also the one who made the suggestion of a copy block on here as a possible means to protect writers from plagiarism and so what if there are issues over the site installing something like that, maybe instead of arguing and making excuses as to why it won’t work, why not put those allegedly superior brains to good use and come up with a solution to the problem, huh?

      • A. Good One

        01/04/2013 at 7:45 pm

        So far, yours is the only comment that’s been unneccessarily nast. Yemi has been very polite and not smug at all.

        This whole plagiarism debate is making me laugh. I’m sorry but I’ve been on this site for 10 years and I’ve seen perhaps a dozen instances of it. To hear you people talk, anyone could assume you were getting your work stolen on a daily basis. What, you have a pack of hungry, eager plagiarists waiting for your next post with baited breath, ready to steal your each and every word? Honey, if you’re THAT good, go sign a contract and sell your bestseller! We are humbled in the shadow of your greatness!

      • Blue-Inked Frost

        01/04/2013 at 7:14 pm

        Being unable to copy and paste and save stories offline would be a difficulty for many readers, especially those who want to be able to save a fanfic on their own computer for re-reading, or those who want to download it and edit formatting issues, or quote for the purposes of writing a review.

        I don’t think making the suggestion is wrong, but I do think it’s unrealistic and would interfere with many more people’s reading experience in a way that would cause more annoyance than the few people who plagiarise. I hope this post doesn’t come across as dogpiling or being smugly superior; that’s the last thing that I would like. All of we posters on this blog are only a small sample of FF.Net users, even though the site policies have to be usable by everyone.

      • Shawnesty

        01/04/2013 at 9:35 pm

        So I’m being “nasty” for pointing out how arrogant and condescending some of you come across to users on this site? Huh, fascinating. Given the immediate defensiveness and “wah, you’re the one being the big meanie!”, I must have struck a bit of a truth nerve with the naysayers. Guess people don’t like having it honestly pointed out that their superior know-it-all responses to many of the people on here does indeed come off as being a jerk. Try taking a big step back and viewing the responses through unbiased eyes, you might be really surprised at what you see.

        And to A Good One…this: “This whole plagiarism debate is making me laugh. I’m sorry but I’ve been on this site for 10 years and I’ve seen perhaps a dozen instances of it. To hear you people talk, anyone could assume you were getting your work stolen on a daily basis. What, you have a pack of hungry, eager plagiarists waiting for your next post with baited breath, ready to steal your each and every word? Honey, if you’re THAT good, go sign a contract and sell your bestseller! We are humbled in the shadow of your greatness!” Arrogant, rude, disrespectful, snide, derisive, condescending, smug, acting like a superior little jerk…shall I continue or can you see how nasty YOU are in that little snarky section? You went from calling ME out for that to doing the exact thing yourself, HONEY. Wow, hypocritical much? Your argument is completely…and I do mean COMPLETELY…invalidated by that petty little rantfest. If you’re a writer, are you perhaps jealous that your work has evidently never been the target of plagiarists because they usually hit the quality fics to steal from, figuring that they’ll get a lot of praise if no one catches them?

        As I said in the initial post, there’s nothing wrong with polite discourse, but I don’t see any “polite discourse” in your comment, Good One, I just see someone living right up to what I pointed out as being an issue on here. It’s REALLY hard to take any of you seriously when you act like that.

      • Shawnesty

        01/04/2013 at 10:42 pm

        And before anyone accuses me of copying the comments by the poster named Mimi, she is a friend of mine and tried to submit her comments a couple of hours before I submitted mine. However, they didn’t post at the time she tried to publish them and she thought it was because she didn’t have a signed account on the site, so she asked me to incorporate most of her remarks into mine because she knew I’d planned a response on the issue of disrespect, too. So considering I’m now being hassled for speaking out against plagiarism, I wanted to make it clear that I didn’t copy her, I had her okay to use her comments in my response.

      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        01/05/2013 at 4:02 am

        Screen readers don’t require highlighting to speak text. They just need actual characters versus text within pictures. Pictures, in fact, don’t get recognized at all unless they are given an alt attribute.

        Secure PDFs would be an issue for the blind, however. The prevention of file conversion would make it impossible to convert to plain text, which is easier to deal with for informal reading and writing where formatting is not necessary. PDFs are sometimes not converted correctly by screen readers, which results in text that is jumbled and out of order. It is easier to convert such messy documents to plain text or even RTF for manual reconfiguring.

        I had never considered copying and pasting people’s stories. I either add them to Favorites or bookmark them. Sure, that runs the risk of the site going down or the author taking the fic down, but it’s actually easier to select a link and go right to the story than to take the time to copy and paste each chapter. I don’t have an issue with people downloading fics for personal use, but I do have a problem with them being bundled into an archive or passed around privately. I think if one wishes to share a fic or recommendation, one should link to the place it’s hosted. If the other person wants the material badly enough, they can easily download it themselves. Unfortunately, there’s no way to allow downloading and disallow archiving.

        I agree with RWFF that it’s always the abusers that make everyone else suffer.

        While I like seeing that my fics have gotten views/hits, I don’t really count them as feedback/payment. Doesn’t take much effort to click. Now, if someone writes a review, and a substantial one at that, it’s a different matter. I don’t know if readers really get the importance of reviews. It’s easy to consume and difficult to create, even if one is working from a universe someone else already laid the groundwork for. I don’t review everything I read, but I do try to comment when I think something was done well. Or not so well, if the author specifically asks for that sort of opinion. I’ve had a couple requests for that.

      • izraill

        01/06/2013 at 9:59 am

        Even if there was a way for the visually impaired, it wouldn’t be a good idea. For the simple reason Yemi pointed out numerous times. It would end up being a punishment for those who want to copy-paste for legit reasons.

        Seriously, I’ve seen plagiarists and when they really want to plagiarize they’ll find a way. Meanwhile, the other users will be upset and this blog and FFN support e-mail would be flooded with people wanting the copy-paste back.

      • KH

        01/06/2013 at 4:35 pm

        This is why I try to stay out of the debates on here. Certain people have a need to keep driving their point home as to why their opinion is the only correct opinion, which, as pointed out, is incredibly rude and disrespectful of the other posters on here. Frankly I’m reminded of sheep dogs nipping at the heels of the herd, trying to convince everyone that they know what’s best for the site, despite the fact that they have no more adminstrator power than anyone else. Jacks of all trades, masters of none, just trying to make themselves look like big high lords and ladies on the site so that all the other peons fall and bow before their greatness. Yes, I think I’m allowed to be a little sarcastic here, after seeing yet another poster pop up to beat to death the dead horse of “why copy block won’t work on here.” Great, we all get it, thank you for thoroughly discouraging anyone but yourselves to put forth any advice, complaints, or other suggestions on making the site more user-friendly. Didn’t realize you folks had become the ONLY users on here that enjoyed the site, or whose opinions mattered.

        Oh, and to the poster named “A Good One”, you made this remark: “So far, yours is the only comment that’s been unneccessarily nast. Yemi has been very polite and not smug at all.” Really? Yemi is not smug at all? Well, I refer you all to the “Happy Holidays & Onward to 2013!” blog thread that contains yet another debate concerning the issue of NC-17 stories. In response to a poster named MerlinRecon, Yemi made this set of comments: “If you are who I think you are, you haven’t been in the fanfic community for that long. So please don’t try to speak with us. Particularly when your arguements have holes in them, show a lack of research and the only reason it feels like you’re fighting this issue is because you want some cause to fight for, not because there is actually a cause to fight for.” If that isn’t disrespectful, not to mention completely smug and arrogant, I don’t know what is. Who is Yemi to tell someone on the blog that they cannot post on here? Or is the blog limited to Yemi and his/her friends now? And A Good One, your entire point was completely annilhated in your own snotty little response about plagiarism, you could complain about the other poster being rude, but apparently felt it was fine for you to turn right around and be rude yourself. I agree, it’s extremely hard to take any of you seriously when you act like such spoiled little children.

        I thought the point of the blog was to open it up to allow feedback from those using the site. But it seems that a blog that was once open to all is now policed by a set of self-appointed guards that apparently feel it is their duty to make sure that every single post, no matter how small, gets a response from them that allows them to spout off their wondrous knowledge and expertise, as if they are the only sign of intelligence on this site and the rest of us are complete and utter idiots. I’ve seen this little group get nasty before with users and you know, if this were a private forum run by the little group, I could see them saying whatever the heck they want to anyone that posts, but this blog is open to ANYONE and ALL opinions and suggestions should be treated with courtesy and respect, which is decidedly NOT forthcoming from Yemi or any of the other negative nellies that like to beat down anyone who doesn’t agree with them. As suggested, perhaps instead of constantly debating why something won’t work, why not try to figure out a way to actually MAKE it work? All that hot air needs to get put to good use, don’t you think?

  49. Button

    01/03/2013 at 5:51 am

    You know.. what would be nice? -drum roll-

    A filter out category option. I’ve suggested this so long I’ll just say it’d be like filtering in a category… only out.

    • Phil

      01/03/2013 at 1:45 pm

      Yup, so you can read adventure fics without having to read romance, or just filter out one genre entirely. I agree, this would be a great feature to add. It would make finding a story suited to one’s needs so much easier.

      • Silverr

        01/03/2013 at 1:52 pm


        You’re assuming that authors will label their stories in such a way that their choice of labels matches your own conceptualization of the term. ~ Isn’t it possible that you’ll miss out on some great pieces that way?

      • Phil

        01/03/2013 at 2:48 pm

        It is a definite possibility, Silverr, but going on general terms, there are certain categories that I’ve never read before, such as romance. Seriously, I almost look at the categories as much as the summery when reading. Basically all romance stories have similar summaries, so filtering out that category would help greatly in finding other stories.

        It’s a risk I’m willing to take.

      • Silverr

        01/03/2013 at 2:58 pm

        I suppose it depends on the fandom – in a smaller fandom, opening a story and reading the first few paragraphs is the ideal way to filter out the dross — other than avoiding any story whose summary says, “I suck at summeries” [sic].

      • yemi hikari

        01/04/2013 at 2:22 pm

        Smaller fandoms have the advantage of having fewer fanfics, so a person just needs to use one or two tags to find what they want. Some are so small a person doesn’t need to use any of the filter tags.

      • Phil

        01/06/2013 at 9:06 pm

        Yeah, it benefits the larger fandoms hugely. Since I mainly browse the Pokemon section, it would be great to filter out some categories. Romance is literally the biggest one, and since I hate those stories and they all seem to be the same, it would be great if I could get rid of having to constantly read through the same summaries over and over again. I’ve almost stopped browsing the fandom altogether because anything new, exciting or simply a fresh idea is buried beneath the piles of poorly written shipping fics.

  50. Dan Trigona

    01/03/2013 at 9:56 pm

    Well, FF had the NC-17 (MA) rating available in the “early days” and if memory serves, those were eliminated because a minority of folks were offended by the inclusion of more explicit scenes/violence/excessive use of the F-Bomb and those folks swayed Xing to eliminate them and go through the site and purge stories which, in his opinion, crossed the line.

    Not, the site is just huge and there probably isn’t enough admin level people to weed out every “M” story that is more “MA or “NC-17”. Heck, a while ago, an author was on the fence about “T” and “M” in a story, and, after reading it, advised her to up the rating. She did take the advice, though.

    Here’s the thing: Each reader applies their own sense of morals on a story. What might be “MA” in one readers mind could be a “M” or even a “T”. Most teenagers are exposed to the F-Bomb and other four letter cuss words (and if someone wanted to be creative, they could switch to Cyrillic or an Oriental script to hide different profanities, right? Example: ラット (“rats” in English))

    How would an age verification be imposed, though? If that question is solvable, then, I don’t see any reason to not allow at least the MA rating to come back into play.

    • yemi hikari

      01/04/2013 at 3:56 pm

      I don’t think the question is solvable without invading the privacy of this sites users, something that ffnet takes great pride in.

      • Dan Trigona

        01/04/2013 at 10:45 pm

        True. That’s one reason I like FF. It would also be a major PITA to initiate a true age verification at this juncture. Maybe when the site was still in the beta test stage before going live, sure, but, with a few hundred thousand legitimate authors…Not really feasible.


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