We have added an OC entry (Original Character) for all existing categories. In the future we will automatically add an OC entry when characters are added to a category.
Posted by Xing on 08/24/2013 in Uncategorized
08/24/2013 at 6:02 pm
Shannaro! I’m sick of crappy OCs!!
08/25/2013 at 3:40 pm
I don’t like anything to be crappy in a story, there is nothing magic about OCs. If a character is written realistically within the ‘verse, OC or CC, and is consistent even in its development, then I couldn’t care less if it’s OC or CC. I could offer a list of CC’s that were originally written as Mary Sue’s in their canons, and are begging for a little improvement!
08/24/2013 at 6:05 pm
Well, this is…um…
Okay, since this is probably to the liking of the majority and probably a boon for almost all of the site’s categories, I won’t start a debate, but I’m left to wonder, would the site still accept ‘specific OC’ requests when relevant? Referring to class/race/player character-based OCs for some games categories? Or has “OC” become a de facto blanket term for them too?
08/24/2013 at 6:29 pm
I have a vague memory of ‘Naruko’ being one of Naruto’s choice (that being a female Naruto, of course)…
So maybe it is already?
08/24/2013 at 9:34 pm
For D&D RPG style fandoms I think it will still be all right to submit the races. The OC tag in these fandoms can cover races not yet added. By this I don’t mean races people randomly come up with but races that the RPG adds. Should not though be used for canon characters not yet added.
Been waiting for something like that, having one story which is predominantly OC POV. 😀
08/25/2013 at 9:31 am
Same here 🙂
08/24/2013 at 6:07 pm
08/24/2013 at 6:10 pm
That’s good. I’m not partial to OCs myself and will be glad to filter them out. I’m sure many people will be glad to filter for them 🙂
08/24/2013 at 6:18 pm
Thank you very much, this will be quite useful. 🙂
08/24/2013 at 6:21 pm
This is great! Now people won’t get bad reviews on having OCs.
08/24/2013 at 6:23 pm
When can we expect to see those enacted for all the categories? And is the classification going to be present in the characters section of managing the stories? I want to be able to classify my stories better…
Sorry for all the questions… And thank you.
08/24/2013 at 6:37 pm
THANK YOU! I don’t use OC or have any interest in reading them, so this will help me find the stories I want! I know people have been asking for this for a long time, so thanks!!!
08/24/2013 at 6:43 pm
I’m sort of indifferent on this option. I think that this will be great for my favorite fandom to write for since it has tons of OC’s in their stories, but at the same time I just think it’s a little weird to have.
08/24/2013 at 7:14 pm
I understand that a lot of people wanted it and it can be a helpful thing if you don’t want to find Mary Sue romances (which I think is the main point of the OC tag anyway). But some authors will put OC if there are OCs in there at all–which there should be, truthfully. Canon characters don’t exist in a vacuum; they have (or should have) contact with people outside the core cast. I wrote a popular story in my fandom with a crap ton of OCs, many of whom developed through the length of the story and yet not one of them was a romantic interest. So, if I put “OC” on my story, a lot of folks who are excluding OCs are going to miss it. I expect the same will be true in every fandom. So, if you don’t mind, I’ll leave OC off my fics. I don’t want them prejudged simply because they contain original characters.
08/24/2013 at 9:36 pm
Personally, I am a huge fan of OCs, particularly well developed OCs. This is a wonderful new feature for we fans, and for the haters, too.
I agree that genres need original characters. It would get very very boring just having the same cast of characters only interacting with one another forever and ever.
While I am not a fan of Mary-Sues per say, I am also tired of the Mary-Sue witch hunt that some people automatically go in to at the very mention of the word OC. Mary-Sues may be annoying, and can sometimes even be funny. But, they are not a crime. In fact, most people have done Mary-Sue’s at one time or another in their writing careers. It seems to be a natural way for some to get their feet wet with writing.
Let’s face it. Some professional authors have made millions with them.
I can understand why you might not want to label your story as having OCs. Isn’t that also risking quite a few scathing reviews from all those who hate them, however? I suppose everything is a balancing act, though.
08/25/2013 at 12:45 am
1. They’re part of the learning process for young writers and some of the newbie ones as well and part of the growing process for a writer.
2. Even though they’re bad writing they can be entertaining.
3. An experienced writer can still enjoy writing Mary Sues.
09/13/2013 at 5:29 am
I don’t care whether people call Mary Sues bad writing.
I will keep on writing Mary Sues, as I deem them as one of the best things since sliced bread in the history of literature, period.
But it has nothing to do with OC or not. Canon characters may be Mary Sues, too.
08/24/2013 at 9:37 pm
If your story’s main characters aren’t OCs then don’t worry about it. However, if you’re writing a story that the main characters are OCs and the main characters are side characters then you should add the tag. People who don’t like OCs are going to be turned off whether you add the tag or not in the latter case.
08/24/2013 at 9:43 pm
Same here. Any given story of mine, unless it’s a one-shot, will have OCs in it; anywhere between one and a dozen. Mostly they’re not significant players, and even the important ones are always secondary to the canon characters.
I’ve never received adverse comment for having an OC in a story, but I have received many positive reviews of my OCs, so I’ve never had the sense of them being a problem. But then, I don’t have any OCs who I would consider leading characters.
I honestly have no idea whether I should be using this field or not. I guess I’ll just have to wait and see what happens.
08/25/2013 at 12:49 am
Most of the OCs I can label as main characters are the antagonists in my stories. Only one ever has had a leading role and that is in a few one-shots. When I originally created him I hadn’t planned on giving his character as much depth as he ended up happening.
08/25/2013 at 2:59 am
I say use it. When I use the filter, I already have a set “cast” in mind to look for–usually a particular pairing as “leads”. Using HP as an example, I almost always look for pairings for Hermione and Ron and wanting them to be central characters. So I’ll skip any that don’t have them as the center. I generally skip fics less than 15 chapters. I’m a speed reader. I read HP book 7 within a day. It takes most people at least a week. I love to read.
08/25/2013 at 4:13 pm
If you read in my fandom, you’d like the story I mentioned: 80 chapters long! 🙂
08/25/2013 at 4:20 pm
I would go more for word count than chapter amount myself. I’ve seen fics with huge chapters (over fifteen) but barely the word count for what I’d call a one-shot. And it wasn’t a drabble collection or anything else. It was meant as a chaptered story.
08/25/2013 at 4:32 pm
@Higuchimon–I’ve noticed that tendency lately–lots of little chapters that could have been made into just a few with some editing and merging. (I have drabble books with more than 15 chapters, but this long one was over 350K words–basically three novels worth.)
08/25/2013 at 5:14 pm
I think it has to do with the fact that people can churn out short chapters faster then longer ones, but in the long run it is better to put out one well rounded chapter then a bunch of small choppy ones that you could have done more on.
08/25/2013 at 3:32 pm
Thanks for saying that. All of my stories have OCs, and have developed quite a large following. What you say about not existing in a vacuum is very true. And the fact is that there are CC’s who are SCREAMING Mary Sue’s in the canon. The key to any character is believability, whether CC or OC it must fit well with the ‘verse and behave plausibly within it. The most fun part of fic writing is being able to develop the Canon C’s beyond where the original series writing left them, as that is often constrained by 42 minute plot times, censorship standards, etc. and OC’s be great foils if handled carefully.
08/26/2013 at 9:39 am
I completely agree.
Who’s not capable of clicking a story open and knowing in a few paragraphs if the quality of a story merits further reading?
Very shortly, they’ll be clamoring for a ‘Mary Sue’ character button as the next step in fine-tuned filtration.
Give us the info we need about genre, violence, gore & taste, and things that cross people’s hard limits on religious / moral issues, then let us decide. It would really help if people would help if slash warnings were enforced, with even ‘soft’ slash being behind the M.
I’ll admit, maybe it’s different if you follow some of those fandoms that run in the high 5 to 6 figure story counts with new stories arriving all the time. Maybe those fans feel swamped. I wouldn’t know. Half of my fandoms are somewhere between 1300 and 2500 stories, and the rest run between 7 to 405 story counts. In some of them, an update to a WIP is the Event Of The Week. (or Month. Or Year). Obviously, I can get to know them fairly well, and really don’t use the filters to read or to return to stories very often .
Just tweak the genres a little – I’ve been begging for something for Holiday/Special days (like birthdays and anniversaries) and return my precise story count , and my world will be perfect.
Fan fiction wise, at least.
08/26/2013 at 5:31 pm
I think possibly the people clamoring that all OCs should be labeled in a story just so they can avoid all OCs honestly think that all OCs are Mary Sues. Funny thing how it is possible for canon characters to be Mary Sues within canon or even be turned into what’s called a Possession Sue by writers. I’ve seen people also misuse the term Mary Sue a lot. The only stories that should be labeled as Mary Sue stories honestly should be parody fics where the writer is purposefully making the character a Mary Sue and the parody label should be enough.
That said… not all slash stories belong in the M rating. There are ones that are T and above just like the majority of het stories.
The Holiday/Special days would be an awesome tag to have genre wise. It would make it easier to find stories dealing with Christmas as well, or even Halloween as well as avoiding them.
08/24/2013 at 7:15 pm
Now how about something about the reporting abuse feature?
08/25/2013 at 3:02 am
Right! Though I rarely use it since most people abuse it and they, FFN, generally don’t get around to it or just blatantly ignore it by having it go to an unmonitored email inbox like my help desk at work do when I send them work orders.
08/25/2013 at 1:52 pm
Would prefer if they spent time doing that instead of all this ‘updating.’ I haven’t uploaded a story on FF.Net for months and moved onto Archive Of Our Own!
08/24/2013 at 7:23 pm
Sorry, I’m confused, how does this work?
08/24/2013 at 9:38 pm
Each fandom that has character tags has had “OC” added to the list. People can now go back through their stories and label for OCs when applicable.
08/25/2013 at 3:03 am
True but we all know most are just too lazy. Like going back and editing old fanfics for grammar and spelling errors.
08/25/2013 at 11:54 am
Try going back and editing old fanfics for grammar and spelling errors with a learning disability. Particularly when your older grammar mistakes drive you up the wall and frustrate you. Editing also takes a lot more time then going back and changing a few tags.
08/24/2013 at 7:50 pm
Awesome! I never thought of this feature before but it’s very interesting. Now, people like me who like OC stories (when the OC is well balanced) can find these types of stories more easily. :3
08/24/2013 at 8:53 pm
AWESOME!!! THANK YOU! 😀
08/24/2013 at 9:12 pm
I’m pleased that you added this, so now I can avoid all the Mary-Sues one of my fandoms is drowning in, but I do wish you’d used the correct term: “FC,” for “fan character.” After all, how are they original if they’re for a setting that someone else created? A true OC is for a story you make up yourself.
08/25/2013 at 12:03 am
Not true. As long as you created that character, they’re original. They’re unique to your own story. Unlike a fanfic, which uses the universe/plot-line/characters that someone else created, a character you made and inserted is most definitely original. For me, I write in both realms, original and fan works, and I can most definitely say that I’ve been reusing characters between different stories.
08/25/2013 at 12:37 am
Not only is the term not incorrect like you’re saying said term is used a lot more then the term FC is.
StoryMaker the Echidna
08/25/2013 at 7:55 pm
I vastly prefer the term “fan character” to “original character” because “original character” is confusing at first (it can sound like it means a character that was in the ORIGINAL work). However, “original character” is much more frequently used, and I don’t think it implies that it can’t be for someone else’s setting.
08/25/2013 at 9:56 pm
Maybe the term should become ‘author-originated character’ or ‘writer-created character’?
08/25/2013 at 9:59 pm
(Again, this should be considered a reply to RML’s posting 4 places above. For some reason, the replies are not always showing up at the message they’re meant for. Odd.)
08/26/2013 at 5:19 pm
It’s not split off but at the end of the reply thread. OC is the common term used and there would be more confusion if something else were used.
oh my god oh my god oh my god!!! This is so great!! Thank you so much for this, it’s going to make looking for OC fics MUCH easier!!
08/24/2013 at 9:20 pm
This is so great! Thank you!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
08/24/2013 at 9:25 pm
I know it’s off-topic, but this is a suggestion for the ff.net team…
“maypryor”, an author from Cameroon, posted spam to my forum; more than likely, he has also posted spam to other forums. This person has nothing on their page. This seems to be nothing more than a spam account, and I request the staff consider deleting and banning that account.
08/25/2013 at 8:04 am
Have you reported this via the support email? You might get a better response that way.
Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)
08/26/2013 at 6:33 pm
He’s now been deleted by the admins. 🙂
08/24/2013 at 10:17 pm
sort of silly… you’d think a well thought out description paragraph would sort of inform people about whether or not the fic was OC-centered.
08/25/2013 at 12:42 am
Not everyone can write a well written summary and many people clog up the summaries by using had written tags. Even if a person can write a well written summary having the tag helps people find your story if what they want specifically is a story featuring an OC.
08/26/2013 at 12:36 pm
There is also flitering mind you: people who don’t like OC’s can filter them out so they don’t show up while people who’d like to read something with OC’s would filter them in
08/24/2013 at 10:54 pm
Hmmm, I guess I can be happy to be able to filter them out and hearing the last of the incessant whiners asking for every category to have an OC.
08/24/2013 at 11:29 pm
Fanfiction gets just gets better and better
08/24/2013 at 11:32 pm
Spelling error really bad spelling error
08/25/2013 at 12:25 am
08/25/2013 at 12:39 am
This is great for those who dislike OCs in stories. They can just filter them out. 🙂
08/25/2013 at 2:46 am
Can’t stand OCs. Mostly because fanfics of that nature turn into the writer’s “fantasy” (thus not “fan”fiction) rather than an actual fic more often than not. It takes a truly skilled writer to prevent that. I don’t mind sequels featuring decendences of lets say…Daryl from Walking Dead or whatever. Anyway, that’s a rant for another time. So I’m glad I can filter them out. Definite plus.
08/25/2013 at 3:11 am
One: Yay! OC setting! Personally, I have alot of OCs that I rarley use. But I do use some.
Two: Whenever I go on fanfiction, it never lets me get past the first page. It might be irrelevent, but is it happening to anyone else?
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08/25/2013 at 3:51 am
This has nothing to so with the topic but…. I keep getting 403 forbidden when I go to a specific chapter in a story. It happened when I clicked other stories.. Can someone tell me what’s wrong?? I would like to finish what I was reading thanks 🙂
08/25/2013 at 4:10 am
There is an option to invert the screens and font on fanfic pages (white text/black background). Why not add an option for the entire site? It’s nice seeing fics at a lower light and not being blinded, But looking for a fic or the rest of the site is a nightmare.
08/25/2013 at 10:06 am
Turn down the backlight of your system? Just a suggestion.
08/26/2013 at 4:09 am
I have it turned down as far as it can go already. I’m still blinded. 🙂 Thank you for the suggestion.
08/25/2013 at 4:41 am
Oh, and another suggestion I would like to make is allowing the ability to report harassment and abuse in pm’s. Even after they have blocked your account. I don’t know if it has happened to others, but I had an author throw abuse at me in my pm’s then blocked my usar before I could report them. Then post my user name and account id in an attempt to blacklist me. . .I’m sad to say they did it over a review pointing out demanding reviews is a bad idea.
08/25/2013 at 11:58 am
You can still report anonymous reviews. You just have to do it via e-mail and you have to have it set up so that review alerts are sent to you. Each review has a number attached to it. If they posted something to their profile or a forum to blacklist you then screen shot that at as well.
08/26/2013 at 4:12 am
Lol, I didn’t know that, but it was a pm that they sent me. And a “fanfic” trying to blacklist me. Took a few days, but it was taken down. I honestly don’t get why people think it’s alright to be a**holes on the internet.
08/26/2013 at 11:21 am
You can report PMs as well. Forward the bot e-mail that notified you of the PM to the support e-mail with the [abuse] tag in the subject. You can also add that person to your block user list as well.
Anyone demanding reviews and then getting upset that they get one isn’t serious about reviews. They just want fanpoodles, not to know if their work is actually worth something.
08/25/2013 at 4:53 am
weird… i get denied: 403 forbidden.
08/25/2013 at 6:39 am
What about stories where there are several OCs? Doesn’t listing “OC” once imply that a story has only one OC? I use my fanfic stories to polish my character development skills, among other things, and there are usually 3 to 4 OC interacting with CCs (and eachother) throughout. I appreciate that some readers abhor OCs, but I think this can be an unfortunate case of pre-judging. If you filter CCs, presumably you know something about the character and don’t want to read about them. But what does a reader know about a character or characters designated as OC? Only what he or she assumes. I do put my OCs in my summaries; honestly not sure how I feel about it as a filter. Just my thoughts…..
08/25/2013 at 12:03 pm
It isn’t as if tagging the story with OC twice will make it so that people can find those with more OCs if you tag it twice. While some people absolutely abhor OCs others avoid them because more times rather then not you get bad results. Writing stories with OCs means you know you’re running a risk of people overlooking your stories. If you’re already putting OC into the summary then you’re already also driving the people who abhor and avoid away anyways.
08/25/2013 at 1:38 pm
@yemi hikari: Fair enough, and I agree many are bad. However, there is no way to tell just from the OC designation, is there? Also was wondering about OCs used as (for example) a primary antagonist, or a strong supporting character? I don’t know how you would tell that from just seeing OC. I’m just not sure browsing through what is essentially a fanfic bookstore can ever work exactly like searching for an item on an online auction site. I used to avoid crossovers completely until two authors here recommended several stories, and I turned out to really love them. No system is perfect, I suppose.
08/25/2013 at 1:47 pm
If the OC is just the antagonist, I wouldn’t bother tagging OC in the character section.
This is just my view but I don’t consider a primary antagonist as a central character. More like secondary which is “ranked” one stage higher than supporting characters.
Most stories have a bad guy in some fashion. If one uses an OC as a bad guy, then every fic should carry the OC tag line which would render this filter pointless.
08/25/2013 at 5:20 pm
It depends honestly on the story whether the antagonist should be listed as a main character or not.
08/28/2013 at 5:26 pm
“Secondary” doesn’t mean it’s not a main character. Main character title is just a grouping based who are the “stars”. You will always have at least 1 good guy and 1 bad guy. The bad guy is rarely the “star” of the fic. If this sounds confusing, I appologize. It’s hard to explain via mobile.
08/29/2013 at 2:50 am
Depends on what you mean by secondary, which may be why I’ve seen people get confused and think that most stories only have one main character. If you mean a second character who plays a major role that helps move the plot along then yes, “secondary characters” can be main characters. If however you are specifically referring to primary, secondary and tertiary characters only characters on the primary level can be main characters.
You’re also right in saying that the bad guy is rarely if ever one of the true main characters. I’ve not only read stories though where you could list the bad guy as one of the main characters, but I’ve written a couple myself. Some genres like suspense and psychological actually have a higher number of stories where an antagonist is also one of the main characters.
08/25/2013 at 7:43 am
Thats sucks, how am I going to filter OC’s? I never wanted them and there’s only two slots to filter things out, now I cant filter out characters I’m not looking for. I’m going to have to put OC in at least one of the the out filter slots because soon theirs going to be so many OC stories I’m going to have to filter them out to find Official characters. The day FF.net got overrun by OC’s.
Maybe there could be two more slots added to the filter out slots. Or maybe there could be a way to filter OC’s all together, their basically a category of their own.
08/25/2013 at 9:29 am
There already were plenty of OC stories posted on this site. Most of them just weren’t labeled that way because there was no OC character in that fandom. This will make the OC stories more visible, but they were already there before the update.
08/25/2013 at 1:00 pm
At least the little annoyances will be more obvious now, and eaisier to avoid. However, I can see how this feature will give these non critic listening writers an even bigger ego. With all the good critics avoiding them, it just leaves more room for the bad reviewers to swarm in. Of course, it’s not like we don’t already have that problem. I’ve seen one OC writer blow up over getting a critique, and another ignore another all because of the “praise” they get. Oh so troublesome. They may even start thinking themselves better than everyone else, not like that isn’t happening either judging from all the attack author notes those users post up so that other users can do their dirty work.
08/25/2013 at 5:23 pm
Actually… the best critics don’t read a story just for enjoyment purposes and rarely don’t read a story once they read a review. Whether a writer actually uses the OC tag or not in fandoms that already had the OC tags also helped to shape the critique as well, as people who still labeled the fact the story had an OC in said fandoms likely still need quite a bit of help.
08/25/2013 at 5:24 pm
Oh… and by having the tag those who critique can specifically focus on OC stories in a fandom if they want rather then having to dig for them.
08/26/2013 at 4:44 am
I agree I hate OCs! They’ve ruined fanfiction because that’s all most writers care about. I thought this was FAN fiction, so we write what we’re a fan of, not about original characters.
08/26/2013 at 5:14 pm
Wow. Ever wonder why published writers add in additional characters as a series progresses? There are things that the other canon characters can’t cover thus more OCs are needed by the writer. Fanfiction is honestly no different. There are plots out there that do require an OC to work.
For example, lets say a canon character doesn’t know his or her birth parents? You want to write a story dealing with them finding out, maybe even meeting said birth parents. Said parents don’t show up in canon though, so the father and mother will both be OCs right?
08/25/2013 at 8:02 am
Instead of doing this with OC’s I wish they would fix the Minecraft Archive. You know, give those who wish to write fics about certain famous YouTubers a place to post them other than the Minecraft Archive. The site is losing Authors over it. Plus they should work on an IOS App with PentLoop, admittedly PentaLoop have already made an unofficial one.
08/25/2013 at 12:06 pm
If I’m not mistaken “famous YouTubers” would fall under RPF and the stories would thus not be allowed via site rules? Simply report the ones you find. Whether you wish to warn them or not is up to you.
08/26/2013 at 11:25 am
Precisely what yemi hikari said – writing about YouTube users is RPF and not permissible on FFN.
08/25/2013 at 8:17 am
Since this updat I’m now having problems accessing the site. I use the mobile site on a Lg Rumor Touch but whenever I try to use the site I get a message that says ACCESS FORBIDDEN! Access to this server is denied. But if I continue to reload the page I will be able to access the site
08/25/2013 at 8:21 am
Oh I’m sorry the message says 403 FORBIDDEN! access to this resource on this server is denied!
08/25/2013 at 8:31 am
Same here. I was worrying for a sec that it was me lol
08/25/2013 at 9:13 am
I also have the same problem, but only when I am changing my access for the mobile site to the regular or the opposite. I am using mobile phone.
08/25/2013 at 9:44 am
The same here 😦 . I thought it was just me and my Ipod lol . But this problem has NEVER happen before intill this morning and now anytime I try to read a story it says exactly what this person is saying , it says “403 Forbidden – Access to this resource on the server is denied ! ” . this obviously aint normal and Im wondering what happened to this site for my Ipod to be saying this 😦 ? Please fix it soon me and my Ipod depend on it ;~; ! Thanks bye
08/25/2013 at 9:52 am
Accessing story from google and using the search option are also a problem now. I can, however, access profile page and the main site of FFnet.
08/25/2013 at 8:42 am
This is great! I’ve been thinking about asking for this for a while, because when the main pairing of a fic is Character/OC, people can only put the canon character who is in the pairing, and it makes it a lot more difficult to find pairings with OCs. Thank you!
08/25/2013 at 8:44 am
Yay! This feature is gonna be so amazing. Thanks guys! 🙂
08/25/2013 at 8:51 am
I don’t know but since this update I’m having problems accessing the site. I use the mobile for kindle fire. whenever I try to use the site I get a message 403 FORBIDDEN! Access to this server is denied. But if I continue to reload the page I will be able to access the site but its very annoying.
The site was working for me just yesterday. Hope you fix the glitches soon.
08/25/2013 at 9:14 am
Having problem with 403 error. Fix that please. I live in Malaysia.
08/25/2013 at 9:36 am
When I try to go to a new page in a story or an authors page I get the following message:
Access to this resource on the server is denied!Powered By LiteSpeed Web ServerLiteSpeed Technologies is not responsible for administration and contents of this web site!
I’ve been reading on my phone for years. Please tell me what’s going on and how I can fix it.
08/25/2013 at 10:01 am
I think it might just be me but when I use mobile fanfic I click on any links.
08/25/2013 at 10:02 am
I mean access denied when I click on links
Hey guys. I’m getting a “403” error on certain parts of the site. At one point the error occurred when I switched the “Any Character (A)” filter, in the Naruto and Highschool DxD crossover section, to “Naruto U.” Can you guys see about fixing it? I’m also getting it in various fics too.
It seems to be one problem after another for you guys, doesn’t it?
08/25/2013 at 11:32 am
Im getting the 403 error whenever i try to access a story. Can you please fix this??
Karma Is Cool
08/25/2013 at 11:00 am
I’m getting the same problem, it’s getting really annoying.
08/25/2013 at 11:46 am
Yeah, I’m getting the 403 error too. It also shows up when I try to access forums? It’d be really nice if it could get fixed in the near future.
08/25/2013 at 2:23 pm
I have no idea how to post a story…and I have three, but I don’t know how on earth to post anything.
08/25/2013 at 3:08 pm
Glad the 403 error was fixed.
Can we switch back to actual hard numbers on the web version of the site? “‘Number-k” works find on the mobile versions. An explanation would be nice as to WHY they got changed.
08/25/2013 at 9:47 pm
I’ve been begging for a change-back, or at least an explanation, since day one. Thus far, no one’s deigned to reply.
mina by herself
08/25/2013 at 3:35 pm
The OC filter will only be effective if authors are *required* to list OCs in their character lists. If they leave that out, the filter won’t pick up on it and it’ll be useless. If the author is trying to bypass the filter because they think that *their* OC transcends the definition, they should still be required to list them in the character list because the entire point of the filter is for readers who absolutely won’t read a story with an OC, no matter how wonderful that OC may be. Minor OCs are never listed anyway. So, as further improvement, I’m hoping that a story that has an OC and doesn’t list it in their character list, should be considered “out of category.”
08/25/2013 at 4:27 pm
And who decides if an OC is “minor”? You? The admins? (Like they don’t have enough to do already?) If you look at the example I mentioned above, I have tons of OCs in my stories–most of which hang on for the entire length of a story and sometimes become important (or become important at different times). I’m not using the OC tag in those cases because none of them fall under the kind of OC most people are thinking of–a Mary/Gary Stu romantic partner.
Requiring a writer to use the OC tag limits writers and puts another burden on the admins to either write more code or make the decisions themselves. (Then there are all the stories written and posted whose authors are no longer on the site or can no longer access their accounts … I think you get where I’m coming from.)
08/25/2013 at 5:47 pm
They’re saying that every writer should have to use the OC tag if they simply have an OC in their story whether they are minor or not just so they can avoid seeing any OC’s despite the fact there may be a need for a minor OC character in some of the stories. They’re pretty much saying if you have four main characters who are canon characters you have to sacrifice one of the spots for the OC tag.
Seriously… it’s one thing when one wants to avoid OCs, but avoiding every OC? As I’ve pointed out in my other comment… some stories need to use minor OCs as background character.
08/25/2013 at 5:45 pm
No. I roll my eyes at you because refuse to read any story that has an OC in it. I’ve written a lot of stories and there are some cases where the writer needs to use an OC because a canon character won’t serve the purpose. One such example is the mystery genre, particularly in fandoms that are originally of the mystery genre. Or the medical genre where you’re treating a new patient every episode.
On top of this the site guidelines is about putting the story in the wrong category and has nothing to do with how a writer categorize their stories. It’s one thing to say something if a you don’t think a character is a major character, but telling a writer that they should be required to list any OC whether they are a major or minor character. Please.
08/25/2013 at 9:45 pm
I wouldn’t consider that an improvement at all. I care less about original characters than I do about the overall quality of the piece, and weekdays especially, my time is too limited for mucking around with the filters. Usually, I check the summary to be certain it won’t be slash, then go ahead and open it. I rarely even notice the genre categories.
Quality writing is quality writing, and there’s too little of it done nowadays to be finicky. Perhaps the fact that all of my major fandoms had characters that showed up for just an episode or 1 book leaves me expecting them.
I can’t really imagine how you can have story after story restricted to the same closed circle of characters without the occasional visitor to lend freshness. The possibility never occurred to me – it’s quite the paradigm shift.
08/25/2013 at 9:50 pm
Not certain why my reply to Mina by Herself’s 3:35pm comment 4 postings above ended separated down here.
08/25/2013 at 10:25 pm
Just wanted to chime in again (probably my last comment on this topic) and say I agree with you, cathy massey. Filtering for OC characters of which the prospective reader knows nothing is not a guarantee of good quality, or even faithfulness to the spirit of the fandom; however, quality of writing should be apparent within the first paragraph or so of the story (often in the first sentence). And I agree that a closed circle of characters is potentially a very stale arrangement. As a writer, I don’t really see the attraction of working on projects which, essentially, have already been written, but I may be in the minority.
08/26/2013 at 9:48 am
Actually, the paradigm has existed since cave drawings. Artists for centuries have taken a finite set of facts and reworked them into something “fresh.” Whether it’s a box of eight crayons, a seven-note musical scale, or 26 letters of the English alphabet: it’s called creativity. If all you care about is quality writing, why bother with fanfic at all when there’s “too little of it done nowadays?” I agree with you on that which is why I *do* use filters to limit my choices to those stories I might want to read – OCs not being included. Writers may be the breath of fanfic, but readers are the life-blood. Like it or not, it’s their preferences that matter in the end.
08/26/2013 at 12:22 pm
Umm. . . Well, if you’d start requiring OCs to be listed regardless of how strong their role, the entire OC tag business would degenerate into quibbling about what exactly qualifies as an OC. There are many circumstances where it’s not as clear cut as mina’s making it out to be.
If I gave random villager D a name and a personality, is it now an OC?
Can you imagine the outlandish justifications for the most minute appearances to prevent getting OC tagged? I can just picture it: “This girl is canon. Sam walked by her in the movie theater in episode 12.”
And eventually we’d mostly all agree it’s a lost cause and the tag would become useless. It’s fine and much appreciated as it is. Kudos to the staff.
08/26/2013 at 4:36 pm
@ mina ~ By your logic I should have given in to the reader who was insisting that I was writing a particular character OoC as well as character bashing said character. Because as you said it is their preferences that matter in the end. Doesn’t matter that I the writer wasn’t writing the character out of character or character bashing them and that the reader was stuck in a major bit of denial about said character. Doesn’t matter either that a lot of my readers actually like the fact I write the character in character and even make her go through bad stuff so her character can grow, which is very different from what the majority of writers do with her.
Point? One reader doesn’t equate many readers. Even if a bunch of readers insist on something they are not necessarily right about something either. Even if the writer is wrong and the readers are right… I say this as someone who critiques fanfiction… the reader has no right to demand the writer makes changes unless we’re talking the rules of the site or even serious grammar, spelling and technical problems.
@ seila ~ I can also see people demanding that the nameless character with no personality gets labeled as I’ve seen people throw tantrums over that minute of an OC. Strangely enough I’ve also seen a writer in the HP fandom label a very minute background character with the OC tag rather then the canon character tag that exists for them. Their justification? The only thing that existed in canon was the name and job. They had come up with the personality, thus they felt they could claim the character as their original character. Also, by labeling it an OC they got more traffic the character was so minute. Problem? People thought it was actually an OC and not an actual canon character and the writer got upset because people couldn’t tell it was a canon character. That’s actually how minute it was.
08/26/2013 at 5:53 am
Yes. That’s right. There’s no doubt there will be people who don’t put ‘OC’ just so people wont avoid their story. If they were to write about, let’s just say ‘Character A’ and not put it in their settings, people would complain. But I get the feeling people will get away with not putting the ‘OC’ filter when their story is blatantly about OCs.
Also, when I first read ‘out of category’, I thought you were referring to the fact that if it’s an OC only story, it doesn’t belong in category for FANfiction. It’s not FAN fiction if we don’t write about the things that we’re a fan of. It’s stops becoming FANfiction and becomes just plain fiction when the canon characters are nowhere to be seen.
08/26/2013 at 4:39 pm
But I get the feeling people will get away with not putting the ‘OC’ filter when their story is blatantly about OCs.
Only… and let me make this clear… only if they don’t use any character tags at all. And this will only last as long as “no tag” stories aren’t easily dug out because then people who see that it could have clearly been labeled as an OC story who are looking for ensemble cast stories will complain about it not being marked OC.
They’ll especially complain if they name their OCs after a canon character and use that particular name for said OCs.
08/25/2013 at 4:45 pm
Finally, i hate searching for fic with a good original character and my favorite characters if written good enough. especially for the Anime/Manga fanfics, and on some of the cartoons and TV shows.
08/25/2013 at 6:16 pm
I notice Mortal Kombat hasn’t been done. o_o
08/25/2013 at 9:14 pm
Hm. OC authors seem very agitated by this. But… help me with this.
if you write OCs you probably want to read stories with OCs, eh? The filter helps you find them easier, right? Or is it that you write them but really don’t read them when written by someone else? Or is your objection that you believe you won’t have as many visitors/readers if you list your story with an OC? ‘Cause I can’t think of any other reason for anyone to object to this. If you have a legit reason, I’m open to hearing it.
As for old stories? Exempt. But current stories (say as of 9/1) should require the tag, IMHO. It’s no different than a writer deciding what rating to put on their story. It’s subjective, but also subject to being flagged. And I don’t believe the objection is based on concern for the admins having to write code or make life-or-death decisions about whether an OC is major or minor.
C’mon. As an author, you know when an OC is major. Does plot advancement and character development hinge on them? That’s just two benchmarks an author can use to decide that. And no one actually believes that a story can’t have *any* OCs – that’s nonsense. What most readers want to avoid is the MSGS, BFF, Love Interest, Savior of the Day, or other obvious self-insert – all of which are narcissistic in nature unless you’re writing non-fiction.
And if your OC is that good, write an original story with it. But honor the request from the readers who don’t want to read that be able to skip it in fanfic. That’s all this does.
08/26/2013 at 5:08 pm
Or is your objection that you believe you won’t have as many visitors/readers if you list your story with an OC?
The one person who writes OCs whose griped about the tag being added and said they wouldn’t use it actually did complain about losing potential writers. As I pointed out to them if it is a minor character they shouldn’t have to label the story as having OCs in the first place and if it is major they’re already driving away the people who don’t like OCs as soon as they get into the stories. Particularly if the canon characters are shoved into the background.
A lot of gripes from the OC writers are coming now because we have someone whose made it clear that they won’t read any story with an OC in it and declared that even the minor OCs should be labeled so they could avoid the story. For example, if I give the little sister of a canon character a group of friends that she can have over for a sleep over and thus annoy said sibling and their canon friends for just one chapter I would have to label the stories.
And if your OC is that good, write an original story with it.
I’d like to note here that some fanfic stories do require an OC in a major position, particularly if the writer is writing a “what if” story first and foremost. Problem is most writers don’t realize how much work a true “what if” story takes.
Other times a writer has an OC that is meant to be a background character that ends up taking on a life of their own that the readers come to like and the readers want more of. That also said, these characters are the best kind to adapt for original fiction of their own. Why? You know they’re already a likable character so a name and background change is all you need.
09/12/2013 at 6:27 am
There is a glitch in your reasoning about OCs that can be turned into original fiction, though… sometimes, the background is what works best for them and makes them so likeable, and they would not work so well in a different setting, perhaps with different people etc.
Writing successful characters is complex and, in my opinion, is not a formula that can be easily applied anywhere. There are way too many factors that shape a character, including their interactions with other characters, who, by definition of fan fiction, are not always the writer’s original characters to be used at will in original fiction.
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