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Between Friday the 13th and Tuesday the 17th…

11 Sep

Between Friday the 13th and Tuesday the 17th we will be working overtime to relocate our servers to a new facility. The new location will allow us to better service our users and give us the flexibility to launch some new features that are not currently possible.

Due to the amount of work involved, we expect some random bugs to pop-up during the move. However, we will do our best to minimize any impact to our users and perform most of the disruptive work during midnight hours.

Specific details and times of potential down-times will be forthcoming.

 
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Posted by on 09/11/2013 in Uncategorized

 

237 responses to “Between Friday the 13th and Tuesday the 17th…

  1. Spyridon

    09/11/2013 at 4:28 am

    Will those new updates also include a way to link stories in a series together? I think that feature would be the most useful at the moment. Oh, and maybe to post review replies to anonymous reviewers.

    Other than that, thanks for the hard work, Xing and Team!

     
    • lunaremus

      09/11/2013 at 4:53 am

      Love the idea of being able to store series together, it would make it a lot less frustrating from a readers point of view.

       
    • DLColvin (llothcat)

      09/11/2013 at 5:17 am

      oooo. that would be awesome. I second both suggestions.

       
    • Jennifer White

      09/11/2013 at 12:38 pm

      Yeah i always wanted to hang ALL 13 series together that would be MOST useful for me 🙂

       
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 4:33 pm

      Both would be great additions to the site. I have multiple series actually, and some that branch off. I also would like to reply to anonymous reviewers.

       
      • cmcwiki

        09/11/2013 at 5:25 pm

        Not sure how that one would work, i mean the only thing you’ve got on them is a time stamp and maybe an IP Address. the only thing i can think of is an optional email address visible only to the author to protect privacy.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/11/2013 at 6:28 pm

        Prisicilla’s suggestion:

        Priscilla
        09/11/2013 at 4:52 pm
        I’d like to be able to respond to all my reviews without it going to PM, so that all can see what I write when I respond to reviews.

        would actually make this easier. I recognize that this is something that is available on AO3 and livejournal/insanejournal/dreamwidth, as well as numerous smaller archives. It is one feature that those sites offer that is beneficial, and would help to eliminate the issue with AN chapters being posted as responses to reviews.

        If the ability to publicly respond to reviews were enabled, then public response to anonymous reviews would also be possible.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/11/2013 at 7:33 pm

        @ cmcwiki – A lot of people have discussed having the first response to a review public on all reviews. I’ve seen such a system actually cut down on the hostility writers have towards the reviewers on another site that has this feature in place. The reason it does this is because a person is more likely to pick their words carefully if they know it is going to be public. It also cuts down on author’s notes for other writers.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/12/2013 at 3:15 am

        Oh, I really like Priscilla’s suggestion. Thanks for bringing that one back up.

         
    • anteater3055

      09/11/2013 at 6:27 pm

      I agree with you, because those are some things that I wish we were able to do.

       
    • Zackary Oravec

      09/11/2013 at 9:24 pm

      Awesome ideas! It would be amazing if they added those features. 😀

       
    • Jordanna

      09/12/2013 at 12:30 am

      On being able to link stories in series: yes, yes, PLEASE yes. I’ve already been asking for this for a little while. It’s the one feature cruddy AO3 has that I would *really* love and be able to use on FFN.

       
    • konarciq

      09/12/2013 at 4:17 am

      Love both ideas. And perhaps get the detailed numbers of stories in a fandom back, too?

      And good luck with the move! Hope everything works out as planned!

       
    • Winterbornbree

      09/14/2013 at 12:12 pm

      Ooh! That would be awesome! 🙂

       
  2. Silver-Sentinel

    09/11/2013 at 5:03 am

    I’m not sure here but i’m asking. Does this mean the site is going to get a new look?

     
    • anteater3055

      09/11/2013 at 6:27 pm

      I don’t think so, but who knows?

       
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 4:02 pm

      I think the sites just going to get new features as they’ve already given the site a new look just a few months ago.

       
  3. Rex888

    09/11/2013 at 5:14 am

    Will this affect ios systems, you know when you go on the internet via the ipad will it fix that annoying thing where if someone’s used letters or numbers for a linebreak and it goes all the way across the screen, shrinking the type, will it fix that?

     
  4. Maria

    09/11/2013 at 5:16 am

    Does relocation mean you’re switching filtering and categorizing back to how it was? Now THAT would be great.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 4:34 pm

      No, it doesn’t. Why would you think that when the old system worked fine at the old location I honestly do not understand.

       
  5. RL

    09/11/2013 at 5:24 am

    Midnight hours for who? 🙂

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 4:34 pm

      Midnight hours California time I suspect as that is when the site rolls over date wise.

       
    • Kris (The Bitching Ninja)

      09/12/2013 at 3:45 am

      Good question, sadly I work midnight hours and spend a lot of my time-wasting by reading FF (since they’ve blocked all kinds of other sites). Hope it won’t be too glitchy.

       
  6. The One Named Moonlight

    09/11/2013 at 5:42 am

    Yes, those suggestions would be nice

     
  7. Sonicfanx1

    09/11/2013 at 6:22 am

    I hope I would get the ability to have more than one section “crossovered”

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 4:35 pm

      Not more then three or four though. Otherwise it would be… well, abused.

       
    • anteater3055

      09/11/2013 at 6:28 pm

      Oh yeah, I wish that was possible too.

       
  8. torie

    09/11/2013 at 7:07 am

    I don’t think this has anything to do with the topic, but I don’t have a way to e-mail the site, but I was wondering why the area that lets you remove ads was removed? I would really like that option to come back since I don’t care to see ads.

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      09/11/2013 at 3:31 pm

      Site e-mail is located on the Help page.

      I recommend you download an ad blocker compatible with your browser.

       
      • lothinielflowermaiden

        09/12/2013 at 6:48 am

        The ad blocker with that goes with the browser no longer works, though. I have that on my computer, because I’m afraid of getting a virus from ads on a couple of sites, including ff.net, and it is now showing ads on the two sites where I have the most reason to believe the ads aren’t safe.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/12/2013 at 7:06 pm

        I use an independent ad-blocker through my anti-virus software. Does your AV offer an ad-blocker?

        Most people just use the one that they can enable through their browser, that’s why I suggest that most frequently.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 4:36 pm

      They likely removed it as ads bring in the revenue.

       
  9. PhoenixNaye

    09/11/2013 at 7:11 am

    Thanks for doing everything you can to help us users out. Ive been using your site for years and appreciate what you’ve done.

     
  10. nicky

    09/11/2013 at 8:37 am

    I hope it would be delete useless fandom like Screenplays. You know, that fandom is full of RPF which is banned in FFn. So I would like to see “new FFn” without that fandom.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 4:38 pm

      I actually have to agree with this one. Said stories should be placed under the misc. category anyways as the title plays and musicals covers it all really.

       
    • Sha Azure

      09/14/2013 at 2:42 am

      Cant agree more

       
  11. Psycho Tangerine

    09/11/2013 at 9:30 am

    I think this is an awesome site. I appreciate the hard work that goes into it. Good luck with the move.

     
  12. Lynn Hollander

    09/11/2013 at 10:07 am

    Thank you for keeping us informed, and for the site in the first place.

     
  13. wiccachic2000

    09/11/2013 at 10:08 am

    Does that mean adblocker would be making it’s return? I really don’t want to have viruses from the ads.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 4:39 pm

      Not if ad blocker was removed to help bring in more revenue.

       
  14. wiccachic2000

    09/11/2013 at 10:10 am

    Does this mean adblocker will be making a triumphant return? I really don’t want to catch those expensive viruses from the ads.

     
    • jodm

      09/11/2013 at 3:56 pm

      Please do bring ad blocker back! Some of those ads are aboslutely obnoxious

       
    • cmcwiki

      09/11/2013 at 5:45 pm

      If you use Mozilla or Chrome, search for Adblocker Plus and your browser. It is a nifty add-on that is basically what FFNET had on their site, (I find it especially useful on Wiki sites). Its free though you can donate to them if you want.

       
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/11/2013 at 8:25 pm

        May I just say that there is an extreme irony in suggesting one donate to an ad blocker when the ads being blocked support the site one claims to love?

        I recognize the issues with viral infection. I just find the statement itself ironic.

         
      • lothinielflowermaiden

        09/12/2013 at 6:50 am

        The add-on is no longer blocking ads on fanfiction.net, so it’s pretty useless to recommend it to people.

         
      • cmcwiki

        09/12/2013 at 3:22 pm

        @flowermaiden: It works for me, might be something weird with your browser
        Rogue: LOL yeah thats true.

         
      • anonlulz

        09/12/2013 at 8:16 pm

        @lothinielflowermaiden LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.

        Not our fault if you don’t know how to use a computer in 2013.

         
  15. The Warty Hogg

    09/11/2013 at 12:20 pm

    I would like to see the abuse report function re-enabled. It hasn’t worked for months. It works in the sense you can make reports but nothing is done about them, even when there is no question that the item is in violation of both the posting guidelines and sometimes the law.

     
    • Lillian

      09/11/2013 at 4:37 pm

      I second this. The report abuse system needs an update and a fast acting response instead of the way it is now. There are some stories, and users, who were reported years ago but were never done about. And now you have these “Character Reads” stories that goes not only against your rules, but Copyright Law as well.

      I know it may take time, but please.. Please, before you do any other feature fix this one first.

      Also, I wouldn’t mind having a disable feature for the share stuff. I’m not the sharing type, and I don’t appreciate a link being formed on other sites without my permission. If there was a way to disable that. I would love you guys for it.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 4:00 pm

        Actually, a clean sweep right after the site admins move the servers wouldn’t be BAD. It seems like a very good time to do a major sweep. Of course… there are some people waiting for that pairing filter too, so that might come first.

         
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      09/11/2013 at 5:31 pm

      Agreed. Would also like to see a ‘report user’ function enabled. There are profile images which are clearly in violation, profile text which is clearly in violation, yet the only way to report this is to support. Support appears to ignore my e-mails regarding abuse and illegal activity on site.

      Support responded to one e-mail regarding the intent to defraud JK Rowling, but not another. Support does not remove pornographic images from site **including child pornography**. Support does not process accounts that are in violation of COPPA.

      Materials which are erotica are left on site months after being reported. Materials which can clearly embroil the site in a defamation of character suit (RPF involving actions disparate to the celebrity’s known behavior) remain after numerous reports.

      I have been as clear as possible in labeling my e-mails, yet they still go unanswered and unprocessed.

      As I have stated in the past, it would be a very good idea for you to hire at least two content moderators whose sole job is to review materials posted to the site and remove that which does not belong as being clearly in violation. The removals would need to be documented, so that if you have a user who clearly violates the terms of service on numerous occasions, you can take action against their account (banning if necessary).

      I say you need two that are solely dedicated to this simply because of the fact that you also need to have moderators who go back through your 15 year backlog and remove those materials which violate copyright and personal rights, contribute to the delinquency of minors, as well as violating other parts of the site’s terms.

       
      • cmcwiki

        09/11/2013 at 6:33 pm

        What do you mean by Profile Text is in violation? i haven’t seen any rules regarding profiles or their content.

        I think that the amount of stories on here far exceeds the work load of two people. and what about language barriers?

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/11/2013 at 7:26 pm

        Again, not reading the whole post. Two people would only be responsible for new loads. There would be other moderators needed to take up the backlog, *as stated already*.

        Language barriers are overcome by modern software which allows for translations. And I don’t mean Google. Google tells me what language it’s in, I use other software to translate.

        In regards to profile text, please review the terms of service.

        6. User Submissions and Conduct

        A. As a FanFiction.Net account holder you may submit textual, audio, visual, or audiovisual content including but not limited to stories, poetry, polls, profile images, forum messages or instant messages. User submitted content are collectively referred to as “User Submissions.” You understand that whether or not such User Submissions are published, FanFiction.Net does not guarantee any confidentiality with respect to any User Submissions.

        Clearly, **all** material you post on your profile falls under submission, just as clearly as PMs fall under that context as well. *Anything* you post to the site is a submission.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/11/2013 at 7:37 pm

        Not to mention a way to report cover images.

        Honestly, it wouldn’t be bad if they eventually have an admin dig through the misc. categories and just start deleting stuff that doesn’t belong there. It is so easy to tell if something is original fiction or RPF it isn’t funny. There are some other categories as well, not to mention they should go through the crossover categories and re categorize the stories there so that they can close them down.

         
      • Ruri

        09/11/2013 at 11:51 pm

        “Language barriers are overcome by modern software which allows for translations. And I don’t mean Google. Google tells me what language it’s in, I use other software to translate.”

        No, really, no. Any translation software can only translate the words, without context and culture differences and the mess they give as a “translation” can only help to get a gist of the text.
        I’m saying this because you also mentioned “profile text violations” and honestly, if the admins start judging non-English text (whether is from a profile or a story) many innocent users could be affected.

        Also, the M rating is the for a reason. What is banned is EXPLICIT CONTENT, no something that can be categorized as non detailed erotica. How explicit is explicit enough for the MA rating? As far as I know there hasn’t been a official clarification so users can avoid step the line, but we can believe report are looked into (after sometime, no immediately because this site is big and admins also have a live) and that M rating stories that aren’t deleted by the admins are in the right rating and hence, don’t go against the rules.

        I do agree about the images and the RPF stories, though. But I’m glad the admins don’t delete everything after they get a report, but instead check before tacking an action.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/12/2013 at 1:01 am

        Ruri – I accept that translations can be wrong. If you *pay* for software, however, then you can actually get a live person to confirm the translation if it is in question.

        And I’m aware of the site guidelines. I adhere to them. I’m talking about MA content, NOT M content. I’m talking about a report of a user who has over 100 stories on her account that are explicit erotica. I’m talking about a user who has uploaded fifteen hentai images to the site – explicit pornographic material.

        I’m not talking about a gentle sex scene here. You’re making assumptions based on the fact that you think the admins process reports. It’s been my experience that they don’t.

        When I report MA violations, I mostly report images in violation of MA content – and am required to do so through the e-mail. Want an example? Go search “bitemehoe” as a writer on site. User ID 4397647. That’s a picture of male genitalia. You think that doesn’t deserve an MA rating?

        Please don’t assume you know what I’m referring to.

        As for the admins having a life, as I understand it, this is their PAID EMPLOYMENT. And if I’m wrong on that, they’ve yet to correct me in my numerous correspondences with them. Facebook is a LOT larger than this site, and they respond to reports within MINUTES. Not years.

         
      • Lillian

        09/12/2013 at 2:45 pm

        Ruri: Rogue Mudblood is right when it comes to the admins slacking off in the report department. As I stated, it sometimes takes years just to get a response from the admins, and even then it is not a grantee they will do anything. I remember I reported two users who bullied another user in public, following them from forum to forum just to rile the person up. When the other user finally walked away, they still gossiped and tried to bring the person back into the fight. Even following said user to another site. When the person blocked them on that site, and told them she wasn’t going to bother and that they should forget, one of the bullies attacked another forum in order to get the user back into the fight. After being yelled at on there, and told off for cyber bullying by another user, they stopped for awhile. Then they started trying to get other users to attack both of the users.

        Something like “report user” would be helpful when a user is showing behavior like that. Of course, it could be used in abuse in regards to the users who believe they are being bullied by being told they broke said rules, and use the system to report their warning. I bet a lot of people would abuse this system to try and get back at CU or LU for their reports.

        Now, regards to your belief that the “M” rating covers everything. It doesn’t. Once a user crosses the line of dress and kissing, it becomes too explicit for the “M” rating. You can only have so much being done, with the clothes on, before it becomes a problem. So any reveals of certain body parts would be considered explicit. If it were just kissing with the clothes on cut off when they start to come off, then it would be fine (or if they’re wasn’t really any explicit descriptions in the story. Just lightly toned.).. Or if they were in bed covered up and still no explicit details involved in what they were doing.

        This is basic common sense. So when you see users bring in “Lemons” or “Limes” in their story.. you know immediately that they crossed over the M fresh-hold and need to be reported.

        Two members watching the new material and more watching the backlog would work, but it doesn’t help with a need of a faster response time. The members would only be able to handle so many reports without being run over by the constant flow of them. I say maybe four would do with the new and more on the backlog. It could work. Or that rumor of the “Red Button” might be of more use.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 3:58 pm

        Pretty much what everyone else has said. The M rating doesn’t cover everything. Mind you, there are some writers that we refer to as being “borderline M” which means they obviously don’t realize they are crossing into the MA territory. I’ve not met a “borderline M” writer though who wasn’t willing to tone down their work so it fell into the M rating and even move the more explicit version to another site. The site admins are even willing to work with these people about how to make the story compliant because they know not everyone is sure.

        However, we’ve got writers who advertise that their stories are “Lemons” or “Limes” not only in their author’s notes but also in their summaries. (Great way to get yourself reported.) Or they note the story is N-17, or that nobody under eighteen should read their story. You know that they know what they’re doing is wrong.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/12/2013 at 7:02 pm

        Lillian:
        “I bet a lot of people would abuse this system to try and get back at CU or LU for their reports.”

        I considered that, but I’m fairly certain that the IP address is tracked with reports filed through the site – or at least, it could be. That would make it easier to prevent abuse of the system. As they require excerpts showing abuse now, they would of course, need to require excerpts (or a link to the image in violation) to verify user abuse.

        “it doesn’t help with a need of a faster response time.” – regarding the backlog users – once the backlog was cleaned up, their activity could easily be redirected to processing current abuse reports.

        For example, assign two people to clean up the smallest categories’ backlog. When they’re done, move one of them to processing abuse reports, and the other to another category for cleaning up. And so on and so forth, until you have the backlog cleaned up as well as having a sufficient task force to address user concerns (and you don’t have to sign every e-mail “Please help us spread the word. Zack” and then stop responding when we **do** spread the word that reports are being processed again).

        Yemi: Yep – you can search lemon and lime and get a boatload of stories that don’t belong. Tell you another one you can search – “fisting” – there are 770 stories in the M category with that in the summary – they might not all be about fisting, but a good many of them are.

        The fact that this particular sexual behavior – which is not mainstream, frankly – is openly available to 13 year olds (and younger, since COPPA is not enforced) is quite distressing. It was bad enough that 50 Shades was published on FFN before it was published as a best-selling novel (not getting into a debate on the quality of the content). That more obscure behaviors – in addition to BDSM – are available to such a young audience is disturbing to me.

         
    • tiquatue

      09/11/2013 at 5:54 pm

      I’m with Warty and Rogue here. Also, a rewrite of the Guidelines to make things clearer would be really appreciated. Adding things like “read the book” to the MSTs, plus maybe turning “Non-historical and non-fictional characters” to “Living celebrities and real people” would spell things out in no uncertain terms.

       
      • KageNoNeko

        09/11/2013 at 8:12 pm

        @tiquatue, I agree with changing “Non-historical and non fictional characters” to “Living celebrities and real people” because the clarity is very obvious of what isn’t allowed.

         
      • The Warty Hogg

        09/12/2013 at 1:46 pm

        I know that MST stands for Mystery Science Theatre and refers to making mocking commentary of copyrighted materials but I would guess a lot of the kids who post here have no concept what an MST is. They do know what ‘characters reading the book” is. And post them by the ton, complete with blatant copyright violation, which is ignored, along with anything else against the posting guidelines.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 3:44 pm

        @ KageNoNeko – Actually, the wording you use is even less clear as historical-characters are allowed and your wording makes it so they are no longer allowed. What the site admins need to clarify is what constitutes a historical character. Because to be honest here, being alive doesn’t constitute non-historical while being dead doesn’t constitute historical. Take for example the young actor from Glee who passed away recently. The last thing we need is some of these so called fans using the fact he is dead to make it so they can write whatever they want about him. Believe me, I used to go by the whole dead/alive thing as well until MJ passed away and I then realized how much that doesn’t work. Even if its a blog entry rather then the rules, that would be awesome.

        @ The Warty Hogg – Not all “Reading the Books” do break the rules, so saying that “Reading the Books” are all banned would mean those that do not MST or use copyrighted material would suddenly not be allowed either. It would be better if the site admins added “MST includes Reading the Books that use copyrighted material, or something similar.

         
      • tiquatue

        09/12/2013 at 4:57 pm

        @Yemi. I agree with you on the wording of the change I proposed. It certainly can be tweaked to allow for historical characters. Perhaps “Current or recent celebrities such as…” then enumerate what kinds (politicians, authors, musicians, actors, sports figures, etc) and add “Real people who are NOT historical figures”. Something like that. It’s still tweakable, but it’s in a much plainer form than what the admins have now. The young actor who died and Michael Jackson both would be covered under that kind of list, IMO.

        On the matter of MST/Read the Books, the vast majority of the RTB stories do use copyrighted material. Big portions of the books in question end up in these stories–and frankly, a lot of writers don’t even understand what copyright means. One writer, accused of plagiarism by using copyrighted material, opined that fanfiction means we write for stuff that is copyrighted. S/He didn’t understand the difference between copyrighted work vs. transformative/derivative work. So s/he argued they could have lyrics in their stories, because people sing the songs and post them on the internet. (Obviously, the plagiarist had no idea how many DMCA take down orders YouTube gets in a day for that very infraction.) Personally, I’d much rather err on the side of “no MST/RTB” than on the side of allowing them. But, that’s just me.

        Considering how many underage people are on the site, perhaps the guidelines need to be written for a 5th grade audience…

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 6:43 pm

        @ tiquatue – I actually agree with you on rewording the guidelines needs to be at a lower reading level. The words “public domain” are even harder to understand then the term “copyright” and I think it should be amended to say “works that have not fallen out of copyright” at least. It doesn’t help that this is just being brushed over in public schools now.

        I also like the “real people who are NOT historical figures” wording you used.

        I do know that most RtB is against site rules and don’t recollect any that aren’t. Mind you, I know it is possible to write an RtB that isn’t against site rules but haven’t had the time. I personally don’t think a writer should be punished for having what could be a creative idea just because others break the rules, though I’ll admit that if it comes down to it there are times that the few get punished because the many can’t do what they need to do.

        Also, on the whole lyrics thing… as I said, lyric archives are pretty much the only sites that I’ve never seen get DMCA orders and that’s because they serve as an archive which falls under fair use. Not to mention the fact these archives help the producers to make sure none of their artists are plagiarizing from another persons work. Many also offer links to places to buy the songs from the artists as well and have disclaimers at the bottom dealing with the whole fair use issue.

         
      • The Warty Hogg

        09/12/2013 at 6:44 pm

        Clarifying the guidelines would help, but you have to remember, a large number of users click past them without so much as glancing at them. They don’t care what the guidelines are. And why should they? They are never enforced so they might as well not exist.
        Someday, there is going to be a lawsuit and FFN is going to lose.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 7:57 pm

        Boy… do those people get the lecture from me when I come across them. I have no sympathies for these people. Those who honestly don’t understand the rules, that’s a different story. I pretty much want things clarified for them and not those who can’t be bothered to take the time to read the rules for the site.

         
      • tiquatue

        09/12/2013 at 8:10 pm

        @Yemi, I’d like very much for people who legitimately write in second-person POV to be able to do so, as long as it doesn’t cross the other lines such as MA (or even M rating). But the admins have decided second-person POV is something they don’t want to deal with–and I can sort of understand their take on the matter. The same would go for MST/RtB. There’s just too much abuse of the format.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 10:15 pm

        I actually don’t have a problem with certain second person stories just like I don’t have a problem with certain RPF. For example, a story that is about real people doing volunteer work because they want to volunteer with no romantic relations, or the actors getting to meet their character of deal with being in the world. However, where does someone draw the line. Some things have to be all or none.

         
  16. Jennifer White

    09/11/2013 at 12:41 pm

    Friday the 13th? Unlucky day….

    And I’m guessing midnight UTC-8 US PST Time Zone. 😦

     
  17. ChristinaFay

    09/11/2013 at 1:22 pm

    Does that mean I should hold back on posting the new chapter? Will my readers still be able to submit their reviews during the move? Thanks for the notice by the way. Appreciate it!

     
    • anonlulz

      09/13/2013 at 1:35 am

      If you’re not going to DIE for not posting a new chapter, you could wait, just in case.

       
  18. holmes4ever

    09/11/2013 at 1:56 pm

    What sort of bugs? Like the site being down for hours at a time and not getting e mails?

     
    • anonlulz

      09/13/2013 at 1:33 am

      You’ll know when you see them.

      It isn’t logical for them to know these bugs beforehand.

       
  19. marzydotes

    09/11/2013 at 3:11 pm

    Is that why it’s taking updates forever to be posted on the main site?

     
  20. ppu

    09/11/2013 at 3:53 pm

    Idk it’s just me or other people also feel bothered by the new filter thing. It was okay for me until I found out that the 3rd and 4th char can be automaticaly filled, even if I didn’t choose it. That feature suprisingly pissed me off.

     
    • anonlulz

      09/13/2013 at 1:34 am

      Automatically filled??? Where? LOL! First time I hear this bullshit.

       
  21. seila

    09/11/2013 at 4:03 pm

    Thanks for the warning. Good luck with the move.

     
  22. Priscilla

    09/11/2013 at 4:52 pm

    I’d like to be able to respond to all my reviews without it going to PM, so that all can see what I write when I respond to reviews.

     
    • Lynn Hollander

      09/11/2013 at 6:40 pm

      You can answer your reviews on the review page if you allow anonymous reviews. Just log out, and write the response as a guest. You can sign your own pen name, of course, at the bottom of the message.
      That’s what I do, since I feel my response is part of the conversation ABOUT my story that the reviews starts. I don’t like putting replies as AN, because they are NOT part of the story.

       
    • Me

      09/11/2013 at 7:24 pm

      I agree with Priscilla! No Lynn, I’m not into reviewing my own story. Plus, that seems very disorganized.

       
      • Lynn Hollander

        09/12/2013 at 11:40 am

        Please read what I wrote and don’t reply to something you only think I said.
        I did not suggest she review her own story; I suggested she answer/reply to reviews on the review page.
        This keeps similar content on the same page.

         
      • A.J. Goode

        09/12/2013 at 1:16 pm

        And it artificially inflates your review count, which would be okay if the site wasn’t set up to allow stories to be sorted by reviews.

        No, the PM system is there for a reason. Private conversations belong in PMs and not in the reviews. Using “guest” reviews to dispute a review is really poor etiquette. No, it’s not against any rules, but readers don’t look at reviews to see arguments, chit-chat, or excuses. We look at reviews to see what OTHER readers thought of the story.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 3:35 pm

        We know exactly what you said Lynn. No matter how much you say you didn’t say it, you did. Replying to another persons story via the reviews is still reviewing your own story even if the content isn’t a review because gasp its still labeled as gasp a review.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/12/2013 at 7:37 pm

        “I did not suggest she review her own story; I suggested she answer/reply to reviews on the review page.”

        In what way is she to accomplish responding to a review on the review page without reviewing her own story under the current system?

        What you’ve said, Lynn, is for her to review her own story. You’re simply interpreting that verbiage differently. You’re taking it to mean “leave herself praise” but that’s not at all what’s being said to you.

        The counter-points to your methodology that are being made are based in the understanding that you’ve suggested she pad her review count rather than asking for the site admins to implement a suggestion that would actually benefit the entire site.

        What Priscilla is requesting is a better system than that, one which would allow her to ‘respond to review’ on the review board but would not immediately take her to PM.

        There are numerous issues with this system as it stands, not the first of which is that someone could easily leave disparaging remarks on your story – whether they relate to the story or not – and then block you (KiaraLivie). This prevents you from responding to their review at all.

        Some things do need to be responded to publicly, and allowing the response function to post a publicly viewable comment would be the best means of accomplishing this.

         
      • anonlulz

        09/12/2013 at 8:25 pm

        Don’t gang up on Lynn if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

        AO3 allows public replying to reviews and counts YOUR replies to the total.

        Just because Lynn annoys people sometimes doesn’t mean you can just ditch everything she says. It just makes you all sound butthurt.

         
      • A.J. Goode

        09/12/2013 at 8:50 pm

        Yes, it does work that way on AO3.

        Were we discussing AO3 and how things work there, or were we discussing FP/FFNet? I guess I was confused, seeing as how we’re having this discussion on the FP/FFNet blog and all.

        Sarcasm aside, there’s no rule against it on either site, so it’s a moot point. Some of us just feel that it’s an unpleasant and unpopular habit. Whether you agree with it or not, you can’t deny the fact that it DOES artificially inflate the review count.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 10:01 pm

        I’m going to add again that A03’s system actually isn’t a review system but a comments system. The etiquette for each type of system is different. I’d also like to add to the rule thing that most bad fic isn’t against the rules either but that doesn’t stop people for calling the story out for being bad fic. This is no different.

         
      • anonlulz

        09/13/2013 at 1:22 am

        Because you can only compare the two when it’s convenient to YOU, right?

        What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/13/2013 at 2:26 am

        We weren’t the ones who brought up the A03 comparison in the first place. You were.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/11/2013 at 7:42 pm

      Priscilla, don’t listen to Lynn on this one. Not only is what she does improper etiquette and not what the review system is for, doing this for all your reviews is just a method to pad your review account unfairly.

       
      • Bushwah

        09/11/2013 at 7:57 pm

        I like to make a review reply that includes the anonymous review and my response, post it as a review (logged out, of course), then delete the original. No artificial padding, and no A/N. A bit clunky, but it works. I believe it’s also possible to indent with long spaces “ ”, so if you need to distinguish the review from the reply, that would be one way to do it. I don’t bother. Censoring on FFn almost always has a reason, so I don’t tend to evade it unless there’s a good reason.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/11/2013 at 8:01 pm

        Agree with Yemi. It is not appropriate to pad your review count with responses to reviews or to abuse the review system in order to leave notes on your own story.

        I have seen some users create a forum for review response and story discussion, with a thread for each of their stories. As you are the head mod of the forum in that case, you would be able to delete any threads that were created that were not in relation to your stories, as well as ban any belligerent users intent on attacking you.

        You could then post the link in your profile and note at the top of each story that responses to reviews can be found at the forum linked in your profile.

        Alternately, some people use their livejournal or blogger accounts to do this.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/12/2013 at 3:06 am

        I agree with Yemi. I’m one of those users who uses my LJ account as it gives me availability to post anything I want within reason as well as having greater control over formatting as long as you know your HTML. On your profile, you can set the LJ url as the homepage that way they can access it without much difficulty.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 3:31 pm

        @ Bushwah ~ Sorry, but any review you add whether it be signed or anonymous is artificial padding to your review count. The review count *gasp* always goes up by one for every review left. It was one thing mind you before the site sorted via review count and you had something really important to say… I’ve had to do it twice in over five years, which should tell you how rarely it occurs… but its become a bigger issue now that you can sort via review count. Even I’m not abashed at saying I padded the word count on those stories by one review, something I wasn’t pleased with even when I felt like I had to do it.

         
      • cathy

        09/12/2013 at 5:40 pm

        I think that only matters if you’re a writer who thinks many reviews are a status symbol. Perhaps some writers get some sense of validation from mere high numbers, but as a reader/nonwriter, I’d welcome authors responding to me on the review page, rather than interrupting the story flow with reviews at the beginning or end of new chapters.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 6:24 pm

        @ cathy – It is true that some of the less mature people out there see reviews as a status symbol. However, the majority of your good writers see reviews as something you earn whether they be good or bad. It’s bad enough we see some of these less mature people padding their word count with sock puppet reviews praising the work, sometimes even burying comments they don’t want others to see. It’s bad enough we see poorly written stories get more reviews then many of the good ones we write or even read. Replying to reviews via the reviews is just as bad as either of these due to the fact you’re supposed to earn that review count. There are alternatives like your profile, blog or forum that work just as well.

        From the writers perspective I would love to have my responses to my readers public because I think that will encourage more in depth responses from the reviewers as getting an in depth response from the writer. I can answer questions there if need be and only worry about things that I honestly feel need to be clarified. On top of this I can take publicly thank legit critique and call people out for bad critique particularly the kind where I know they’re not trying to be helpful.

        From the perspective of someone who critiques when they leave their reviews I would love for some of the responses these kids made to me via PM to be made public. For example, I had one person claim that had fifty people PM then daily begging them for the next chapter. Number of alerts and favorites? Both were zero. Then there are the writers who are so amazingly thankful for my advice and help who deserve a pat on the back for taking critique as well as they do.

         
      • Bushwah

        09/12/2013 at 8:15 pm

        @yemi hikari: I DELETE the original review afterward. I don’t see deleted reviews in my review count. Neither do my readers. Probem solved.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 9:57 pm

        Temps o.k. Lynn though’s talking about permanently leaving the reviews up that she uses to reply to her reviewers.

         
      • Bushwah

        09/12/2013 at 10:41 pm

        @yemi hikari: I leave up my reply, which includes all of the reviewer’s text, and delete the original.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 11:02 pm

        Ah… that works too.

         
    • Bonny

      09/11/2013 at 7:50 pm

      I agree with Yemi to this one. Review box is just for readers to review your fic NOT for author to comment in his/her own fic.

       
      • cathy

        09/12/2013 at 6:12 pm

        My response above was made before I read that there is a sort by review count function. No idea why that would be desirable, but perhaps some people would pad counts, just in case it does get used, so that may change things.

        As for forums – there are only a few in some of the fandoms I follow, and none in most. I explored them when I discovered this site, saw that they were seldom, if ever, posted to, and had frankly forgotten that this site even had them until people started mentioning them a few weeks ago in some of the update responses. It never occured to me that there might be a use for them in answering to reviews.

        At any rate, I don’t have time to go rummaging all over the site on my visits. Perhaps some sort of adaptation could be made where the author could tick a ‘not to be counted’ label on their own responses in the reviews page – and that reviews with replies would fall last on the review pages so that other reviewers could avoid them if they so desired.

        Although one of the reasons (among multitudes) that I prefer this site to AO3 is that more people review here, I’ve appreciated the way that authors will respond to reviewers over there. It’s delightful to see a courteous, mature, exchange. It reassures me to see that even in this day, some poeple know how to write thank-you notes!

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 9:08 pm

        The sort by review has been around for about a year give or take. It’s good for seeing what stories are popular, which in turn is good for studying trends as well as easily finding poorly written stuff that you can take and improve that has ideas that perk people’s interests. It also allows you to find stories with no reviews or even few reviews.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 9:09 pm

        Sorry, pressed wrong button. This is what I meant to post.

        The sort by review has been around for about a year give or take. It’s good for seeing what stories are popular, which in turn is good for studying trends as well as easily finding poorly written stuff that you can take and improve that has ideas that perk people’s interests. It also allows you to find stories with no reviews or even few reviews. I personally wish that it sorted by least reviews instead of most as you can get the same information and it wouldn’t seem like a popularity contest of sorts. I mean, the misc. book’s most popular story review wise is a 1D fic that the writer likely created a bunch of fake anon reviews for.

        Padding via review count was a big issue even before the ability to sort by reviews though. Part of it may have to do with the fact you can sort by review count on profiles and another part of it comes from the fact if a writer replies to every review with a review their review count doubles. 10=20, 50=100, 100=200. Thus those looking at the review count don’t have an accurate representation of the people reviewing the story.

        It was something that was only done in major cases. For example, I left a review on one of my stories after a flame review was deleted to make sure that two of my reviewers didn’t get hassled by people who misread either one of their reviews. One came after the flame and one came before.

         
  23. Sparrow9612

    09/11/2013 at 5:00 pm

    Can I make a suggestion for a feature? A drop-down menu for page numbers on forum threads. Would make finding a specific page on large threads a heck of a lot easier.

     
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      09/11/2013 at 8:02 pm

      In regards to bienfait’s observation that good suggestions can get buried, you are welcome to do as I have – tweet them with the link to your post and a note that it’s a suggestion you would like them to consider.

       
  24. bienfait

    09/11/2013 at 5:53 pm

    @Sparrow9612 – that sounds like a useful idea. It would be nice to think that practical, small-scale improvement suggestions like this didn’t get buried under mountains of other posts; a specific pinned thread on this blog, just for that, would be useful (but would probably get abused).

    I hope the developers take this one on board, anyway

     
  25. Max

    09/11/2013 at 6:33 pm

    I would like a feature that allows you to set a time/date to a story/chapter and it will automatically be uploaded to the site.

     
    • anonlulz

      09/12/2013 at 8:28 pm

      And how will it be “automatically uploaded”? By magic?

       
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 9:30 pm

      I believe you’re referring for a way for writers to write multiple chapters for a story and schedule when said chapter will show up on the site. This is a great way for writers to disappear for long periods of time and not have any actual contact with their reviewers.

       
      • anonlulz

        09/13/2013 at 1:23 am

        He said AUTOMATIC UPLOAD, though.

        I’m still waiting for him to explain how that works.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/14/2013 at 1:31 pm

        The term “upload” has more then one meaning. You’re thinking along the lines of physically uploading something to the net while they’re talking about uploading to the archive. Thus their wording was not incorrect.

         
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      09/12/2013 at 9:31 pm

      Max, I do have to ask why this feature would be needed.

      As I understand it, you’re referring to a delayed posting of the content, but I don’t understand why you would want it.

      If you have the story prepared and ready to be published, why would you wish to delay publishing?

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 9:53 pm

        Mind you, this is me repeating what others have told me about why such a feature would come in handy and I honestly doubt I would use said system much if at all.

        There are writers who write their entire story before posting it. They then post at a scheduled rate and don’t like it when their schedule is off for any of the many reasons.

        However, posting a day late, or even an hour late isn’t that big of a deal. Of course, if your OCD… well, you can see where for them it may be an issue but in the long run most writers don’t have a problem with the way things are.

         
      • Spyridon

        09/13/2013 at 3:40 am

        Well Yemi’s explanation is one of them. I have heard that other authors like to spread out the chapters of their completed stories out so they can get the most amount of reviews as well. If they upload the whole story at once, then readers can blaze through the story and post a single review for a chaptered story.

        Another reason is that people like to keep on schedule but they might be away so they like to schedule a chapter to be posted at it’s regular time. Usually, I see this on LJ since posts can get buried under other posts.

         
      • cathy

        09/13/2013 at 2:54 pm

        Speaking strictly from the reader’s POV, I think I’d like the idea of knowing that a long story was fully written and set up to ‘robo-post’. Breaking it into chapters gives one the pleasure of reading it in managable sizes while thinking over and posting well-thought-out, concise reviews, and saves one the frustration of dealing with abandoned, unfinished works. There’s a sense of security and savoring what’s to come.

        I try to wait until something is complete to read it, but sometimes the wait can be agonizing. Sometimes posting schedules turn random. Seeing something marked like ‘this story is complete and chapters will be auto-posted at 3 day (or whatever) intervals’ would give me a good sense of when to check back, and would spare a reader a few abandoned-due-to-Real Life WIPs. It would also free up a writer who chose to use it from trying to deliver on a schedule. Use should, of course, be voluntary.

        I’m probably not the only one who’s seen a story that said “This is complete. I will be posting weekly” on a years-abandoned WIP.

         
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/13/2013 at 9:03 pm

        Ah. Thank you, yemi, Spyridon, and cathy. I appreciate the clarification.

        I have seen that notation as well, cathy. 🙂

         
  26. Me

    09/11/2013 at 7:23 pm

    It would be cool if review replies could be made public, like on devArt.com. Sort of a blog set-up, like this. I think people would be less reluctant to make reviews.

     
    • Lynn Hollander

      09/12/2013 at 12:10 pm

      As I told Priscella, above, enable anonymous reviews, log out, and reply on the review page. That continues the public discussion of the story without intrusive AN or other cumbersome work-arounds.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 3:25 pm

        We’ve told you before Lynn that this is improper etiquette. If you want to have improper etiquette that is up to you. However stop advising people to also use improper etiquette.

         
      • anonlulz

        09/12/2013 at 8:29 pm

        Lynn raises a valid point. It’s even done in AO3, where your replies also count towards the total reviews (“comments”) in your story.

        *yaaaaaaaaaaaawn* yemi, this time it backfires.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 9:25 pm

        The system A03 has in place isn’t a “review system”, its a “comments system”. HPFF has a review system in place that allows you to reply to reviews without padding your review count

         
      • anonlulz

        09/13/2013 at 1:27 am

        Of course, yemi. Of course! I forgot you can only bring up AO3 when it’s convenient to YOU.

        You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN EVERYTHING YOU SAY.

        There! Don’t you just feel fucking awesome now?

         
      • Simoneau

        09/13/2013 at 1:54 am

        @anonlulz – Abuse is, of course, the last resort of idiots who don’t actually have a counter-argument and don’t have enough smarts or self-control to shut up.

        You are entitled to express your thoughts, of course, as we all are. And it’s fun watching dickwits burst a blood vessel, so go right ahead, honey. Who’s got the popcorn?

         
      • Spyridon

        09/13/2013 at 3:43 am

        AO3 is a comment system just like LJ. I’ve practically given up on minimally trying to answer everything. One of my chapters on their has 53 comments but only like 4 people actually reviewed. Most of the comments were on a single thread.

        Considering Priscilla’s post, would it be possible to review their comments without adding to the review count or would that be a hassle coding wise?

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/13/2013 at 1:43 pm

        Yes. It would be possible. For those who are curious about how it might be done I suggest HPFF. It’s the oldest archive for Harry Potter fanfiction. It allows one response from the writer that is placed in the same section as the review that is separated by author’s response in bold.

         
  27. Bonny

    09/11/2013 at 7:46 pm

    I hope it will be restore the fiture to disable anon-review just like before.

     
    • cathy

      09/13/2013 at 5:30 pm

      I ‘d like to request some clarification on definitions and nuance here – how do you distinguish betwen a “review” and a “comment”?

      Most of the reviews here and the comments on AO3 look a lot alike – several gushy ‘Loved it!’ type single sentence ones, with a few longer, well considered ones making carefully considered points or asking clearly stated questions. (There, unfortunately, are the nasty exceptions. Too many of them can turn me off a fandom.)

      Overall, the only difference I see between the two sites is that the same story posted to both may draw 18 ‘reviews’ here, but only 4 ‘comments’ there, with the occasional author’s thank-you note or reply on AO3.

      I read ’em all, on any site. The lack of them is one of the big drawbacks for me on a lot of the smaller sites.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/13/2013 at 5:58 pm

        The difference between a review and a comment is that a review is about making commentary about the work while a comment is about having a conversation with the writer. Even though some reviews only say “nice job” or “update” they’re not necessarily trying to have a conversation with the writer. No, they’re not the best kind of review mind you. Reviews are also one time even when they allow public responses while a comment system allows someone to comment as many times as they want. Each honestly has its advantages. Thing is, we don’t need a commentary system over here when we do have the forums which can serve the same purpose. They’re just not threaded forums like most commentary systems like you get on LJ and A03.

        That also said, from my experience those who leave critique will also go about things differently on a review system then they do a comment system. A review system is there as I said for the readers as much as the writers so any critique you give has to also be tailored to the readers as well, while in a commentary system you can spend time discussing and working through problems with the writer, but only if they’re open to criticism. On LJ there are certain writers who post their work publicly but say “no critique”. That’s respected because it is a commentary system and not a review system, while on sites that actually use a review system it is highly looked down upon.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/13/2013 at 6:04 pm

      I don’t think they will be allowing people to disable anon-reviews. Allowing this caused the paranoia to spread that getting flamed by anonymous reviewers was a common place thing when this is far from true, not to mention most of the people who want to disable anonymous reviews don’t want to do it because they are currently being targeted by someone. They do it because it is their way of sticking their fingers in their ears.

      As for actual serial flamers via anonymous reviews, if you’re being targeted by someone have your e-mail alerts going because you can send the numbers into the site admins and something typically can be done. Disallowing anonymous reviews just to avoid flames can actually make them more hostile as well as encourage them to create sock puppets. You’re then stuck with the review on your story until the admin removes it. Something to keep in mind about anonymous reviewers who flame is that they’re cowards by nature. If you can figure out why they’re flaming you you can figure out the best counter measure to deal with said person.

       
  28. IdiAmeanDada

    09/11/2013 at 7:54 pm

    What about the RSS feeds?!?

     
  29. Hana Black

    09/11/2013 at 9:11 pm

    I was just wondering will these new features include the enabling of Feeds/RSS ? or am I just one of the few using the feeds/RSS function?

     
    • SuzyP

      09/16/2013 at 4:23 pm

      I use them as well. Can anyone answer this question about the RSS feeds????

       
  30. Guest

    09/11/2013 at 9:12 pm

    Hello 🙂 Thanks for the heads-up and for the continued effort that you all put into this site 🙂 I would like to ask about something though. I’m not sure if it’s just me but when I search up beta profiles recently, wherever the user (for quite a lot of those I’ve clicked on) added a line break to start a new paragraph, it shows up as a lot of “br/”s or “”s in a column and some of the words at the end of the paragraph get cut. The same thing happens when I add the line breaks to my own beta profile, save it and then go back to look at it later from the user page. I am using an iPad and the desktop version is being displayed. Thanks and so sorry to bother you 🙂

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 1:33 pm

      To be honest here, Beta Profiles are already broken up into sections so that line breaks aren’t needed. If you’re needing line breaks in your Beta Profile then you probably need to think about what needs to be cut among other things.

       
      • Guest

        09/13/2013 at 12:07 am

        Yep, thanks for the suggestion and I will probably go change my own profile 🙂 I was just kind of bothered because not all the users are aware that their profiles actually look like that and unless they change it, some of them are really hard to read, especially those with chunks at the end cut out :/

         
    • Lynn Hollander

      09/13/2013 at 12:47 am

      No, it’s not just you. I gave up on the line breaks/paragraphs in my beta profile, too messy. When I was searching for someone to beta a story, I never asked anyone who’s profile included Br/, figuring if the beta didn’t notice that, she wouldn’t notice much of anything.

       
      • seila

        09/13/2013 at 4:29 pm

        Lynn raises a good point about a beta who doesn’t notice a br/ in his own profile. Heh.

         
  31. L van Am

    09/11/2013 at 9:18 pm

    Not superbly important, but I’d personally like to be able to tell on the mobile site if a story is marked as complete. I noticed that you guys made updates to the mobile site lately with regards to the filters, but I’d like to see if stories are complete without having to filter out all the in-progress ones.

     
    • Spyridon

      09/13/2013 at 3:46 am

      On the mobile site, completed stories are marked by a small scroll with a red ‘C’ imprinted on it. They appear immediately to the left of the review count. If a story is missing that, then the story is not completed.

       
      • L van Am

        09/19/2013 at 11:41 am

        I was wondering what that meant. Thanks, I’m a little slow sometimes :S

         
  32. The Reader

    09/11/2013 at 9:30 pm

    What about warning labels? I have seen this on many cites but not this one. I think FFNET could defiantly use it, that way it wouldn’t take up space in the description box and it would reduce time searching for the story you want to read. I often wonder if what I am about to read has spoilers from say season 2-8 of a TV series, and I often pass them up because of it.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 1:30 pm

      Right there is part of the problem. It is not a “description box” but a box clearly labeled “summary”. Thus the writer should only be putting in the summary for their story. One of the exceptions to the rule being when you’re posting to the misc. categories and finding yourself in need of labeling which fandom you’re writing for. Warnings go on the first chapter with the disclaimers so many people are now forgetting.

      Putting warnings on the outside will in the long run just make it easier for writers to target specific stories. Don’t like a story that has characters being abused particularly a certain character? Well now that’s an easy way to find what you want to flame. Not to mention the fact people will demand that certain things be labeled as well that don’t necessarily need to be warned about.

      For example, I’ve had a person try telling me that I was writing a character OoC when I was not as well as character bashing her when I was not. People will also demand that they have a warning label for OoCness just like they do on other sites despite the fact that OoCness is bad writing and if you can explain the out of character moments its still considered IC.

       
      • cathy massey

        09/22/2013 at 11:22 pm

        No, I’ll hold out for at least Major warnings (Slash, Major character death, Graphic injury, Cruelty to animals). I can see where season/episode spoilers would be welcomed by some people.

        I want to know those before committing my precious limited online time to clicking on a story.

         
  33. Sam

    09/11/2013 at 10:46 pm

    Do you know when the bug will be fixed on the synicing in the paid app. It still say captcha code unable to down load

     
    • cmcwiki

      09/12/2013 at 3:29 pm

      pocket fiction and ffnet are separate products. PF’s developer has to monkey around with it i guess till it works.

       
  34. sandy

    09/11/2013 at 11:13 pm

    bueno si es asi mejor yo quiero subir el siguiente capitulo de mi fic pero no puedo…:(.
    veo tutoriales pero esta diferente al mismo cmo di fuera otra version…ayudenme porfis

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 6:02 pm

      Haga clic en el siguiente.

      1. Publish
      2. Manage Stories
      3. título de la historia
      4. Contents/Chapters
      5. Post New Chapter

       
  35. iceberg

    09/12/2013 at 1:38 am

    Moving? Good. If you move, maybe come to your senses and i dunno put the old way of using filters back? If before the filters tab was unusable now it doesn’t even work anymore. Perhaps it commited suicide over bad scripting. Ff the site that didn’t want to let anyone use it. Gotta love how 2 years ago there wasn’t any alternative to the crap you guys mixed in, now so many popped up to scoop your ”men over board”. You’re a dying site, you just don’t know it. You should change the site’s name to titanic twats.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 1:20 pm

      You know, for someone who specifically says in a later post about the site admins, “And for the record. You’re nothing important.” and ” You mistaken your importance” you sure are mistaken about your importance.

      The site admins made it very clear in another blog. The filter system was NOT for finding pairings. With the new filtering system a lot of writers have found that their stories are actually finding readers again where as the old system made it so their stories were buried. The site admins have also made it clear that a pairing system is in the works.

      Also, if you are referring to actual bugs with the filtering system why aren’t people coming and explaining the bugs they’re still getting and yet expecting the site admins to fix bugs they don’t even know exist?

       
    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      09/12/2013 at 7:27 pm

      It is one thing to express displeasure civilly in an open forum in a way that can be discussed. Name-calling is unproductive and only demonstrates poor decorum.

      Perhaps, instead of being incredibly disparaging with your remarks, you could provide constructive criticism of the site so that the admins could effectively address your issues (should they so choose).

       
    • anonlulz

      09/12/2013 at 8:35 pm

      Why don’t you build a fanfiction archive website and move there?

       
    • Zweibach

      09/13/2013 at 2:09 pm

      The only downside to the current filter system for me is that I can’t bookmark a specific filter setup.
      And having to open the filter window is slightly irksome.

      Can’t really see how just this particular change would spell their death.

       
  36. Liz

    09/12/2013 at 2:29 am

    So what is the ETA on adding the “pairings” feature? FF.net is useless to me until this gets implemented.

     
    • Simoneau

      09/12/2013 at 8:05 pm

      @Liz – you must have very narrow interests. Why not try reading something new? You never know, you might even like it.

      The pairing feature will arrive when it arrives.

       
      • Liz

        09/12/2013 at 8:45 pm

        Simoneau, your book snobbery is showing.

         
    • anonlulz

      09/12/2013 at 8:36 pm

      Queen Liz! Pay them, and they might just hurry up JUST FOR YOU.

       
      • Liz

        09/12/2013 at 9:24 pm

        anonlulz, where did I say “HURRY UP”? I simply asked when they might roll out the update for it. There’s nothing wrong with asking. They made the update almost a month ago saying a “pairing” filter would be coming soon. It’s pretty unfair of them to change the filters for one group people and just leave out an entire other group. Just common sense for a company to cover ALL the corners before releasing a pretty significant update.

        I’m giving honest feedback. I have no reason to use FF.net until they fixed the filtering to make it fair for ALL users.

         
      • anonlulz

        09/13/2013 at 1:29 am

        Don’t play the dumb card, Liz. We can see right through you.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 9:36 pm

      I think the problem people are taking with what you said Liz is that you pretty much indicated with your own wording that you can’t use the site unless you can find your pairings and only your pairings. In most cases you can still find stories despite others being mixed in. I’ve done the searches. That’s why you came as as having very narrowed interests to the other person.

      If you’re really desperate go and read the older stories for your particular ship as you’ll find more stories tagged this way. Before you think it callous of me for suggesting it think of it as a way you can help out those with older stories that rarely get reviews anymore because they got buried as more stories got added. Believe me when I say the writers will also appreciate the positive reviews, though it is iffy when it comes to getting critique on older work.

      Also, who knows… reviewing an older story may also encourage someone who hasn’t been updating or even on the site to come back or even update.

       
  37. tinyryan117

    09/12/2013 at 2:57 am

    another feature that would be handy would be a link to someones forums on their profile page. it would save time searching through the lists and asking those people to send links to their forums over pm

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 1:15 pm

      There used to actually be a link on people’s profiles to their forums up near the top. It then disappeared. However, it would be great if it came back but featured as a tab instead.

       
      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        09/12/2013 at 7:14 pm

        I like the tab idea – that’s excellent!

        tinyryan117, in the meantime, you could certainly just copy-paste the link into your profile. 🙂

         
    • anonlulz

      09/12/2013 at 8:38 pm

      Um…. add it to your Bio????

      That’s why the “custom link” disappeared, anyway. It was redundant. You can link anything in your Bio.

      You have the tools. Just not the brains, it seems.

       
  38. iceberg

    09/12/2013 at 3:24 am

    And for the record. You’re nothing important. I come here for the few authors worth reading from. They post their work here thus i’m forced to read here. You mistaken your importance. And when i say ‘i’ i’m certain a lot of other people feel the same way. In other words, what i’m pissed at is that your incompetence and desire to fix things that shouldn’t be fixed holds hostage the things ‘m interested in.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 1:12 pm

      Please. First, if you know which writers you like then none of the changes effect you as you can just go to their profile for updates or receive updates via e-mail alert.

      Second, the site admins aren’t holding any story hostage with the changes they are making. Sure, some of the writers you like may be holding their story hostage because they don’t like the changes made to the site. In the long run its their choice whether to throw a tantrum and not update, or even go so far as to move their stories to another site completely.

      I think you need to question what they’re throwing a tantrum over. The site admins have made it clear that the character tags were never meant to be used for pairings and when I first came to the site they were actually used properly most of the time. Then the people who shipped for some reason got it into their heads that two characters equates pairings when we all know that’s not the only thing characters stand for and honestly it is one of the last things people list. Thus a lot of other writers have suffered in major drops in hits and reviews just because they didn’t abuse the tagging system, but now they’re getting hits and reviews again. On top of this the site admins have made it clear that there will be a pairing feature coming.

      If these writers are holding their story hostage because they feel it is their right to demand that the character tags should be changed back to the same system they abused then why do you still respect them? Sure, their writing may be good, but you can like someones writing without respecting them. If the writers though are holding back because they are waiting patiently for the pairing feature then you need to learn not just to respect the site admins but these writers who have made it clear they’re just waiting until the feature is implemented. They may be to excited or to OCD to write.

       
    • anonlulz

      09/12/2013 at 8:39 pm

      BUTTHURT.

       
    • DonPiano

      09/15/2013 at 10:50 pm

      Are you okay iceberg? Such strong feelings over a dinky website. Perhaps you need a break from the internet.

       
  39. fdarcy

    09/12/2013 at 10:33 am

    I do hope that the new features will mean that unwanted stories are not listed with all stories and by that I mean Slash stories.

     
  40. Dil Neville

    09/12/2013 at 5:10 pm

    I support the suggestion of making a choice to answer anonymous reviews.
    It should also return the option for those who comment anonymously leave your email address.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 5:57 pm

      The site admins cut out the e-mail option being shown on ones profile as well as allowing anonymous reviewers to leave their e-mails because someone knowing your actual e-mail is the easiest way for someone to hack your ffnet account.

       
  41. cathy

    09/12/2013 at 6:15 pm

    May we hope that this will give you the ‘flexibility’ to let us have story counts and alphabetical sorting on the main categories pages again?

     
  42. Charizardflyer

    09/12/2013 at 7:07 pm

    > Friday the 13th

     
  43. Bushwah

    09/12/2013 at 8:14 pm

    I don’t know why the reply button isn’t showing up… anyway, I’m trying to respond to Yemi Hikari’s comment to me above.

    @yemi hikari: I DELETE the original review afterward. I don’t see deleted reviews in my review count. Neither do my readers. Probem solved.

     
    • Bushwah

      09/12/2013 at 8:15 pm

      Oh, sorry. I just found it…

       
    • anonlulz

      09/12/2013 at 8:45 pm

      There’s a limit to the amount of replies that can be nested here. Usually, we go up a level and reply that way.

      I really don’t think it’s anyone’s business what people do with their reviews. It’s just jealous butthurts who want to limit other people’s review counters.

      AO3 allows you to reply to reviews, and counts your replies towards the total. So I don’t see why people bitch so much.

      Reviews are not a sign that a story is good or bad. It’s just a way for people to communicate with the authors.

      Do whatever the hell you want. Delete your replies, don’t delete them. It’s YOUR story.

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 9:45 pm

        Sorry, but no. It may be a writers story but the review section is not just for the writers. There are plenty of people who do use the reviews to figure out if they’re going to read the story. Let me emphasize again the fact that A03’s system is not a review system but a comments system. The system here is a review system and reviews NEVER have been a way to communicate with the writer… that’s what the PM system is for as well as the forums you think are obsolte… they are for REVIEWING the story.

         
      • anonlulz

        09/13/2013 at 1:32 am

        YES, YES! YOU ARE RIGHT!

        Don’t you just LOVE to be told that, yemi???

        OMG!!! YOU ARE SOOOO RIGHT.

        I’m sorry for bringing up AO3 when it’s not convenient to your fucking arguments. I forgot YOU’RE the only right person here.

         
      • Iseria4

        09/15/2013 at 5:54 am

        Darling,

        It might interest you to know you are currently commenting on a site called “FictionPress”. I only mention this because you seem to be a tad confused.

        The reviews of stories on this site are meant as a… feedback noticeboard, where anyone who’ve read the story is allowed to recommend it further to other people.
        This is done by acknowledging the stories good points, and its bad points, allowing other would-be readers to find out whether the good points outweigh the bad points significantly enough for reading pleasure.

        It is NOT a place for personal comments and attacking writers, readers, or either one’s friends.

        If you wish a site where every COMMENT on a story is made public beneath the story itself, up close and personal as well as more professional remarks, then perhaps an other site would suit you better. It seems you’ve already found one, at that. Why not settle there, then, if OUR site doesn’t meet your taste?

        – Ise

        PS: I truly hope you’re NOT one of those that insist every single place should be EXACTLY the same. That would be tremendously dull……

         
      • DonPiano

        09/15/2013 at 10:53 pm

        It’d be cool if this site had the same “reply to reviews” feature like AO3 does; perhaps something to hope for in the future.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/16/2013 at 6:48 pm

        @ DonPiano – No thank you. As I’ve already said, A03’s doesn’t have a review system, it has a commentary system. We can already set up forums to do the same thing if we really want.

         
    • yemi hikari

      09/12/2013 at 9:48 pm

      If you delete them then o.k. The person who brought up the fact people should reply to their reviews via reviews though has left said reviews up for everyone to see and some of the things she has said should have been said privately as well.

       
      • Bushwah

        09/12/2013 at 10:48 pm

        I’m not saying she isn’t wrong. I suggested an alternate system.

        I guess I didn’t explain it very well… I’m sorry.

        (Q: How do you say things privately to an anon reviewer? A: You don’t. If you can’t say it publicly, though, take solace in the fact that it’s probably not worth saying.)

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/12/2013 at 11:00 pm

        It’s all right. And by the way… its not anon reviewers she’s replying to with stuff she should say privately, it’s actual people with signed accounts. You’re right though on the if it can’t be said publicly to an anon it likely isn’t worth saying.

         
  44. anonlulz

    09/13/2013 at 1:37 am

    I’m really curious about this move, and what technologies you actually needed that weren’t in the old servers.

     
  45. Geby

    09/13/2013 at 4:05 am

    Yes,13th

     
  46. Lynn Hollander

    09/13/2013 at 10:10 am

    Bushwah — a reply on the review page is the only way to reply to a guest review. I leave all reviews up, even the stupid ones; sometimes I will point how stupid the review is, but I do leave it up.
    I have always considered it logical that, since the stories are published and public and the reviews are public and published, replies also be public and published. Further, since all my correspondence here is about the site or stories, mine or the corespondent’s, I would welcome a method whereby all of it is posted, open and easily accessible.

     
    • yemi hikari

      09/13/2013 at 6:05 pm

      One of the reasons I want said feature is because the writer can call a reviewer out for being stupid or the writer can reveal their real personality through their responses among other things.

       
      • Lillian

        09/15/2013 at 2:39 pm

        Yemi: But that option would just get the author in trouble since the person who reviewed could just report it under the term of “being disrespectful”. Not like some authors don’t deserve it though, some comments just go too far.

        There is no problem replying to a Guest via author note, unless you are hostile in your comments then it is best to zip the lips shut. This feature, probably, may be useful to others.. but I see it more as a means for people to start conversations in their review box which isn’t needed.

        Forcing people to provide an e-mail makes it too easy for hackers to hack someone’s account or email. Which is not needed and a big problem.

        Could it be that the Guest option is there to teach authors that you don’t need to reply to everything? And they are some Guest who don’t want to be replied to but want to say their piece. So really, the system is fine as it is right now. However, I would like an option to report a Guest reviewer since many “flamers” are a result of angered authors who like to hide behind this feature.

         
      • yemi hikari

        09/16/2013 at 6:46 pm

        @ Lillian ~ The writer getting in trouble isn’t anything new as we very well can report PM replies they send us to the site admins for being disrespectful and they can get in trouble for writing hostile author’s notes as well. It’s not something new. There are a lot of writers who have responded negatively to me in the past couple of years that I could report under the above that I haven’t. Not for just being disrespectful to me.

        What replying publicly to all reviews whether signed or not does is make many of the writers who would normally respond negatively in the first place respond in a more positive manner because they know their comments will be publicly seen. For those it doesn’t… well, it typically results in them losing fans like they deserve. Sometimes a second person can say… no, that’s not how you treat your reviewers and their act gets cleaned up. We’d have less under thirteen kids blurting out… “but I’m only nine/ten/eleven/twelve” to us as well, or other overly personal complaints that involve their sob story that is typically fake.

        P.S. You can already report anonymous flames. Just keep track of the id numbers sent to you via e-mail. I finally had enough with the one that was trying to sock puppet me and they haven’t bothered me in months and before I reported them it was pretty much a weekly to bi-weekly thing.

         
    • konarciq

      09/15/2013 at 11:16 am

      Sorry, Yemi, but I have to pretty much agree with Lynn here. I think it would be very useful if there was a way that allowed the author to reply to reviews (anonymous ones or signed ones) in public. Some of the reviews bring up questions that simply beg for a public reply, and right now, all we can do is replying in a review ourselves.

      I agree that it’s not ideal, but at the moment, there is no other way. Ideally, the author should be able to reply once to each review (if judged necessary) and have that reply appear directly in line with the review in question. Perhaps in a different colour, like the message history in the PM system. Any further discussion would have to take place by PM though, in order not to mess up the review page too much.

      Simple ‘thank you for your review’s wouldn’t necessarily need to go there – that can be done privately. But in those cases where a more public reply is preferable, it would be helpful and practical if it could be done in that way.

      And that stuff about improper etiquette – I’m sorry, but IMO that’s bulldust.
      First of all, *every* feature can be abused if a person is inclined to do that. That’s no reason not to implement it. For if the positive effects of said feature outweigh the negative effects of possible abuse, then what’s more important? And failing another way to reply to a review in public, I don’t see it as abuse, since it’s the only way to do it. (That forum idea may be nice in theory, but unless you’re an extremely popular author, I doubt it’s worth the trouble.)

      And secondly, about the padding of one’s review count – I’m aware that there are quite some people around who consider the number of reviews as a measurement as to how good a story is. You and I seem to agree that this number of reviews doesn’t really say anything about quality, but if they prefer to think so, why not let them? In time they’re likely to mature and discover that there are other – better – measuring sticks to go by. You can’t expect a 13-year-old mind to be as mature as a 50-year-old’s.
      That ffnet caters to their misguided thoughts in having installed a filter that sorts by number of reviews is another question entirely.

      Just my two cents! 🙂

       
      • yemi hikari

        09/15/2013 at 1:21 pm

        Some of the reviews bring up questions that simply beg for a public reply, and right now, all we can do is replying in a review ourselves.

        If a review is important enough for a public reply then do it via author’s note so all the readers can see. Most of them involve questions others might have or things that you need to clarify for other readers. If it is a flamer then the best option may be to ignore said person or to publicly let your readers know they may want to block someone if you suspect a serial flamer. Anonymous reviews can be copied to another anonymous review and replied to below if their short reviews and the original deleted. Mind you, there are a few times that replying via review is needed, but these times are extremely rare.

        It is true that certain features are abused and/or against the site rules. This fact doesn’t change the fact certain things are bad etiquette on the part of the writer. Take character bashing for example. There is nothing against the rules and the writer when they character bash is abusing the fact they’re freely allowed to write about said character to character bash said character. Doesn’t change the fact it is bad etiquette to character bash characters.

        That forum idea may be nice in theory, but unless you’re an extremely popular author, I doubt it’s worth the trouble.)

        If a writer isn’t popular enough to use a forum and what they have to say isn’t important enough to put into an author’s note then is replying to the review with another review worth the trouble.

        You can’t expect a 13-year-old mind to be as mature as a 50-year-old’s.

        Actually… its not the thirteen year old kids that are the problem. Many of them don’t know how to properly reply to reviews and when you explain to them the proper way not only are they grateful they stop abusing the system. I’ve found that its adults who have the most problems understanding that its bad etiquette and fill they have to respond to all their reviews publicly with another review.

        This issue is right up there with using sock puppets on ones stories (which is an issue mostly with younger writers) because it doesn’t respect your fellow writers who are actually working for the reviews they get. And yes… the filter for sorting by number doesn’t help, but this doesn’t change the fact the behavior is bad etiquette, not mention it throws review averages off.

         
      • konarciq

        09/15/2013 at 1:49 pm

        We’ll simply have to agree to disagree 🙂

        Because for me, it makes a world of difference if my reply to a review (which I agree, should be used sparingly) appears right next to said review where people can see the two together, instead of somewhere in an author’s note on the story pages itself where people can only stumble upon it if they happen to read the story as well as the reviews.

        As for the etiquette: as far as I recall, it doesn’t say anything in ffnet’s rules about this. Lacking any such rule from above, it must be derived from social convention. And clearly, opinions are divided on the subject among the users. Which means there is no established etiquette on the matter.

        I agree though: many grown-ups around here act as 13-year-olds LOL And some teenagers act and write better than many grown-ups! Isn’t that marvellous?

         
      • Spyridon

        09/15/2013 at 9:49 pm

        @konarciq: I think everyone agrees that the review system needs to be overhauled to where review replies can be made public but not count toward the review count. Under the current system, however, reviewing your story under the intent to respond to another review is abuse.

        I am not one of the authors that are hugely popular but I do have my Livejournal account where I respond to common questions that pop up in reviews, usually in detailed and somewhat lengthy responses that would not be possible nor easily accessible on FFN. The readers I do have, though few in number, learned how to navigate the road to my LJ from my FFN profile and now for my stories, they head on over there where they can post responses to the LJ posts. My profile has a list of quick links for my different fandoms and fanfic recommendations as well as list of fanfic resources.

        For those that don’t navigate as I’m sure a few them don’t go to LJ, I give brief ANs at the end of the most recent chapter which I leave until the next chapter. I delete the previous chapter’s ANs as they usually no longer apply. Once a story is completed, I remove all authors notes that are not necessary.

        If that doesn’t work, you can use the FFN forums. Authors usually create sections for each story and the subsections would be the chapters that make up the story. To say that a few reviewers are not worth the trouble in creating and maintaining the forum seems to me that you’re taking those few readers already for granted. I believe that if you have a reviewer gives the time to leave a review to your story, you can at least maintain a place where they can drop questions to you.

        I know of one author who actually uses their profile page to post review replies that sectioned by story. She does have a number of them so her profile is always long but she can easily update her replies and have them viewable to everyone.

        Another way is to have a yahoo group which seems to be a somewhat popular one for stories that have medium-sized fan bases.

        Then there’s the place where the author may create their own free website and post their stories there as well as a forum board. I know Maureen Thayer from the SG-1 Fandom has hers as it was easier based on her current needs.

        Padding your own review count isn’t the only way. I don’t even see it as a last resort. I know that if you create a place where they can leave reviews and you constantly use it, your readers will visit time from time, engaging when it interests them. It took a few months, but I now converse with anonymous repliers on my LJ whereas the first few posts were not commented on.

         
  47. Lynn

    09/13/2013 at 1:14 pm

    Can i make a request. i think it would be good to have emails sent regarding replaced/updated chapters. it makes it less of a hassle to figure out how to inform readers that chapters have been revised, especially when you revise more then 10 chapters.

     
    • cathy

      09/25/2013 at 6:07 pm

      I’ve wished for some time that there was some way of seeing the revision chronology of a story.

      I can’t seem to make up my mind if I’d like to see the latest revision date for each chapter show up in the string of drop-downs along with the chapter number & any title the author may use. It would be best if they displayed in a lighter, greyed-out form, subordinate to the chapter # and title.

      Sometimes I like the idea, sometimes I think it’d be clutter.

      I’d definitely rather not have e-mails, though. I already spend too much time wading through those.

       
  48. Zweibach

    09/13/2013 at 2:31 pm

    I would really like to have a default filter setting since I always have to set the filter to ‘All ratings’ and ‘English’. I really don’t want to see stories for other languages since I don’t understand most of them and all stories in Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish I’ve found have just been plain horrible. So English all the way for me.

     
  49. Sammi Hutchison

    09/13/2013 at 5:19 pm

    Linking up stories would be a super help with this Hangover story I got going on.

     
  50. Erica Brooke

    09/13/2013 at 10:46 pm

    What happened to the add blocker?

     
    • Kanathia

      09/20/2013 at 2:34 pm

      Good question. I’m even getting ads on my phone and my screen is waaaay to small for that.

       

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