Scheduled Maintenance – PM

08 Oct

At 11PM US PST Tonight 10/07/2013, Private Messaging (PM) feature will be disabled for approximately 30 minutes while we perform a scheduled maintenance.


Posted by on 10/08/2013 in Uncategorized


308 responses to “Scheduled Maintenance – PM

  1. While

    10/08/2013 at 4:58 pm

    Love how everyone’s complaining about the same thing when it’s clearly posted on the blog. Highlighting is currently disabled due to a bug they’re trying to fix. And it prevents people from stealing stories.

    • Lynn Hollander

      10/08/2013 at 5:02 pm

      It also makes reviews that much harder to write. I quote from the text often and sometimes at great length in my reviews.

    • Niente de Nada

      10/08/2013 at 5:50 pm

      Where is it clearly posted on the blog? I can’t see anything about it.

    • Lynn Hollander

      10/08/2013 at 5:50 pm

      >While: Where did you read that ”Highlighting is currently disabled due to a bug they’re trying to fix’?

    • Potterstar202

      10/08/2013 at 8:41 pm

      this also means that programs that read out loud for the blind and dyslexic do not work

    • Birdymain

      10/08/2013 at 9:08 pm

      Stop trying to sound smarter. Being wrong only points out stupidity There is no blog after this one about the text highlight and it’s not a bug. They put it in the script.

    • yemi hikari

      10/08/2013 at 9:29 pm

      The nocopy is not a glitch. It’s right there in the coding for each and every page. And no… nocopy does not prevent plagiarism. As I said in the previous post one of the sites I use that used to use nocopy stopped using it because it does not prevent plagiarism and instead negatively effects people who use quotes under fair use.

      • yemi hikari

        10/08/2013 at 9:39 pm

        P.S. What the blog says is that PMs are disabled, not the copy paste feature.

      • KageNoNeko

        10/08/2013 at 10:02 pm

        yemi, I have to agree with you. Anti-copying never stops anyone.

      • KageNoNeko

        10/08/2013 at 10:05 pm

        And people have already found a way around it using firefox.

    • ToyBoxTyTy

      10/08/2013 at 11:19 pm

      It also makes it harder to us text to speech software for people with a seeing or reading disability

    • Laela Ravana

      10/11/2013 at 9:46 am

      What Bug? This is caused by certain tag in pages html. When there is need to select or copy it takes less than 10sec to remove that part.
      ” it prevents people from stealing stories.” WRONG. Just like whatever has been tried with youtube, if browser can show something it can also save it. Even if you have to save page as image file and then use some tool to turn that into text. As such this is useless addition and i do hope this is removed soon enough, i really havent time to learn to make automatic workaround during schoolyear.

  2. Dark-Supernatural-Angel

    10/08/2013 at 4:58 pm

    I tried to highlight within the chapter too (because I like to while I read) but it’s not working (on Firefox). I can highlight stuff within that summary box but nothing else. I tried it on Explorer and I have the same issue there too (no highlighting).

    I really hope this is a temporary issue because if its permanent…I won’t be pleased.

  3. William Díaz

    10/08/2013 at 5:02 pm

    Why can not blacken the content of the page?

    I need to copy something and I can not

  4. mimiyuy

    10/08/2013 at 5:40 pm

    Je vous en supplie !!!
    Je suis française et lie des centaines de fanfics en anglais après traduction sur word.
    Or sans copier coller cela ne m’est plus possible.
    Imaginez la douleur que cela représente de ne plus pouvoir lire la suite et fin de centaine d’histoire suivie avec asiduité U_U
    Je suis auteur sur ce site et ne comprend pas pourquoi un tel niveau de blocage O_O
    Pitié pitié pitié pour les non anglophone, permettez nous de continuer à lire nos fics en rétablissant le copier coller u_u
    I beg you!!!
    I am French and binds hundreds of English fanfics after translation on Word.
    However without copying to stick that is not possible any more for me.
    Imagine the pain that represents to more be able to read the continuation and end of hundred history followed with assiduity U_U
    I am author on this site and does not include/understand why such a level of blocking O_O
    Pity pity pity for nonthe english-speaking, allow us to continue to read our fics while restoring to copy it to stick u_u

  5. Hinata'sMuse

    10/08/2013 at 5:51 pm

    This Highlight disable thing is ridiculous! I have limited internet access where I live and I do have to copy and paste stories I want to read to word so I can read them once I no longer have Internet. I am striving to be a editor and like to correct others peoples works and point them out (once I am done I delete them- why on earth would I want to steal them?!). I find this action to be foolish and to an extent pointless. On FanFiction, if we as the readers find a story believed to be stolen we quickly let others know about it.

  6. LadyAnatar

    10/08/2013 at 6:10 pm

    Oh, great! Everyone else is already complaining about my problem, so I don’t have to explain it.

    It’s been going on since sometime last night, and I’ve noticed a couple of odd things. First, it only effects stories, not profiles or the main page. Secondly, I can still highlight the story title/author’s name/other stuff up in the top; I can even highlight the entire page just by going down two inches.

    In case this helps, I use Firefox on Windows 7.

    I sincerely hope that this is a bug. While not being able to highlight is an interesting way to combat theft, it’s simply too useful a technique to get rid of.
    Thank you!

    • Ciel

      10/08/2013 at 8:18 pm

      I’m fairly sure that it’s just a temporary bug. It’ll likely be fixed, seen as a lot of people are complaining about it.

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 1:45 am

      While not being able to highlight is an interesting way to combat theft, it’s simply too useful a technique to get rid of.

      It’s actually an ineffective way to combat theft. All it does is falsely placate fears of a small group.

  7. Jacob

    10/08/2013 at 7:00 pm

    On an unrelated matter of PM maintenance, I need help. Call me naive, but I don’t know who to ask. How do I get a book title added to the books category?

    • Birdymain

      10/08/2013 at 7:26 pm

      I do believe that’s an admin job that you have to appeal to.

    • Simoneau

      10/08/2013 at 7:49 pm

      @Jacob – this is explained on the “Help” page (link is at the bottom of all FFnet pages)

      To ask for a new category (eg book title, TV series), email Make sure you include the word “category” in the subject line of your email.

      You need to give them the category (ie the title of the book), as well as telling them it belongs in the main book category (so they know it’s a book – otherwise they might not have any idea where it belongs).

  8. Melissa

    10/08/2013 at 8:51 pm

    Personally, I’m glad that c/p isn’t working! The amount of plagiarism on FictionPress is unreal. Anything to make it harder for plagiarizers to steal makes me happy 😀

    • Jillian

      10/09/2013 at 6:26 am

      So, your assumption is that a plagiarist will be so put off by having to add a brief extra step to their thievery, that it will cure them of their wicked ways?

      Reality is that the people impacted by this are people who have a legitimate need to either highlight or copy/paste. A plagiarist has so many quick ways of getting what they want, that this is a laughable deterrent. At best this is a placebo for a few screaming authors who think this will keep their work ‘safe.’

      • Melissa

        10/09/2013 at 11:12 am

        No, I’m not assuming that at all. I’m very aware that there are many other ways that someone who is determined enough can steal from a no c/p site.

        Over the past few years, I can’t even count the number of authors who’ve taken there stuff off FP because it’s been stolen countless amounts of times. I guess my reasoning is that it’s not so much about the c/p lock itself, but the fact that maybe now it’s locked, some of those authors will come back from wherever they’ve gone over to (wattpad, TWA, etc.)

        I know you can’t 100% prevent plagiarism, but I’d rather make it harder for someone who’s looking to steal my story than to just let them c/p something with a snap of their fingers.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 2:30 pm

        I’d rather make it harder for someone who’s looking to steal my story than to just let them c/p something with a snap of their fingers.

        On top of the fact nocopy doesn’t prevent plagiarism it is still a snap of a finger for people to steal the work. It just amounts to a false sense of security for you guys.

    • Jordanna

      10/09/2013 at 8:39 pm

      Even if copy/paste is disabled (which it isn’t now for me–I just checked), a plagiarist can still easily copy text from a page’s source code.

      • Birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 9:14 pm


        Ctrl + A

        It may not highlight but you can copy and paste straight off that. Try it. No copy means NOTHING.

  9. bienfait

    10/08/2013 at 8:55 pm

    Inability to copy/paste is extremely inconvenient when it comes to giving a detailed review, as including quotes to illustrate problems with grammar etc makes it so much easier to explain.

    It will also cause problems when reporting stories in violation of guidelines, as you require the report to include extracts from the story to support the case for removal.

    The problems mentioned above, by non-English speaking readers, people with reading disabilities etc, are even more serious.

    If you did put this feature on intentionally, please remove it – the disadvantages are likely to outweigh any benefit gained.

    Thank you.

    • yemi hikari

      10/08/2013 at 9:38 pm

      There is no way this addition to the site was unintentional. If you know how to access the coding for the page you can find that nocopy is actually programmed right into the coding.

      They probably put it in because there have been a few people asking for it in the past when ever plagiarism has been brought up in the blog. Maybe they’re doing it because people have also complained that the admins don’t listen to them. Maybe they’re doing it because other sites have done it. Maybe they’re doing it because they know the people begging for nocopy don’t believe that it will be met with a negative reaction so they’re trying to document the negative reaction. That though may be wishful thinking.

      • Belen09

        10/08/2013 at 11:50 pm

        I’d really hate it if that was the case – it’s like when someone does something wrong and then everyone is punished because of some ‘bad apples’ – being able to ‘copy and paste’ is essential for some people – sounds like a case could be made for it affecting ‘people with disabilities’ act, and it certainly doesn’t sound friendly for some non-English speakers etc. I started reading this site because of the review and pm functions as other sites had withdrawn that function – as I had said earlier – it works better to be inclusive rather than exclusive – this is not heading in the positive direction!

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 1:41 am

        I actually agree with you. I actually didn’t realize that people highlighted the text to be able to find their place or read it, but from what I know about learning disabilities I do know it helps some people out.

      • cathy massey

        10/10/2013 at 12:15 am

        I’m not certain if there’s any provision for any disabilities-accommodation type legislation to cover access in the virtual world as there is in the physical. The ADA was first passed in 1990, but amended in 2008.

        Anyone out there know if it applies here, especially as this site probably receives no public funding?

      • yemi hikari

        10/10/2013 at 12:55 am

      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/10/2013 at 1:28 am
        All of the cited cases under the section “Judicial Decisions on Title III and the Internet” involve commercial sites. Since this is a free site, it may not be considered applicable.

        (I’m only allowed one link per post before they hide it – 2 of mine are still “awaiting moderation” – so please forgive the formatting here)
        aboutwebaccessibility (dot) com /home/law/businesses/intent

        “Since then, courts have decided that Title III of the ADA does apply to information conveyed through the technology of the Web, although what exactly it applies to is still up for discussion, as will be discussed in some detail.”

        Again, the focus is on commercial sites.

        Regardless, the specific section you’ll want to look at in the law, in order to answer your question, is Title III of the ADA.

      • Birdymain

        10/10/2013 at 2:10 am

        Because this is a free site, I doubt the courts have any say in this. You’re better off on making a case towards the ad providers then the law.

  10. mgsaintz

    10/08/2013 at 9:05 pm

    If you’re making use of greasemonkey or similar addons for chrome or firefox there’s a script on Userscripts dot org that re-enables highlighting.

    • cathrl

      10/09/2013 at 8:01 am

      Just adding my voice to the “please reverse this” requests – currently trying to help a site user who needs to use text-to-speech and can no longer read stories here at all.

      • KageNoNeko

        10/09/2013 at 11:50 pm

        A temporary solution for now is to turn off the CSS in the browser.

      • William Díaz

        10/11/2013 at 12:53 am

        yo hago lo mismo y me ase mucha falta el poder copiar, ¿cuando se arreglara?

    • mimiyuy

      10/09/2013 at 3:06 pm

      please which script is necessary it to give the responsability to find the function copy-to stick?

      • KageNoNeko

        10/09/2013 at 11:49 pm

        It is the CSS nocopy that needs to be removed. This can be done by turning CSS off, however, that makes the page very hard to read as it gives you none of the formatting on the page.

  11. Shadowdragon1317

    10/08/2013 at 9:57 pm

    Can there be a new sub-section for TV sections, Sleepy Hollow? Thank you:)

  12. Lynn Hollander

    10/08/2013 at 10:00 pm

    >Xing: could we have some clarity here? If pasting text into the review window is not allowed, please say so.

  13. Sice

    10/08/2013 at 10:13 pm

    Like many others, I have a very limited internet connection and I beta read my friend’s work on the go on my PSP. On top of that, I also use the copy and paste functions for reviews. Stealing things?
    I would be very happy if I catch people reading my fics on the go as well!
    I thought this was a glitch but obviously it isn’t and it has angered many people…..

  14. Rosieroo

    10/08/2013 at 10:15 pm

    I am actually really happy that highlight has been disabled. My stories have been stolen so many times and even sold on Amazon – someone made a profit out of my stories because it was so easy to copy/paste! I understand what other people are saying, but so many amazing authors have left FP because it is so easy to plagiarise. Someone made a huge profit out of stealing one of my friend’s stories (thenifoundfivedollars) and legally, she’s no longer able to sell that story under her own name if she ever wanted to publish it. Plagiarism is a massive problem on fictionpress and I fully support disabling copy/paste, so I hope it’s a permanent thing! There is even a petition with over 350 signatures asking FP to disable copy/pasting.
    As for wanting to copy/paste the story to read it offline, you can do that if you load the chapters to story when you have internet and then keep them open, or some browsers let you still look at them offline if you’ve loaded them when you’re online. I used to do it all the time.
    So please please keep the highlighting disabled! I bet heaps of authors would come back to posting their stories on FP if you did.

    • aurorabon

      10/09/2013 at 12:36 am

      If that’s the case, you need to provide information to someone with authority at Amazon or whatever that shows you posted that story first, and that it was stolen from you. And so does your friend. Legally, you have options. I wouldn’t just sit around while someone steals from me and makes money off of it.

    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/09/2013 at 1:04 am

      Rosieroo – if she files suit against the infringing author, she still has rights regarding her story. But she has to have evidence of its original publishing date. If she still has the original file she composed the story in, she will also have that as a composition date to prove her case. She will, of course, need to find an attorney to handle the case, and she will need to look into statute as well before approaching an attorney.

      As to the nocopy script, I can still ctrl+S an HTML page. And anyone who is intent on stealing can do the same. There are some rather vicious thieves out there, and nocopy css isn’t going to stop them, or even slow them down. If Broken Promises22 can steal 133 stories and take the time to change names of characters to make them fit into lesser known fandoms simply so she could be known as a “good author,” I’ve no doubt that someone who is intent on stealing from FictionPress and selling the story on Amazon can certainly do so.

      • Birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 1:22 am

        Any original hand written pages or notes would be good too. They’re not as definite as a date, but it is still evidence along with the original file.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 1:35 am

        @ Rogue Mudblood ~ That’s what I thought as well. I think a lot of people who are wanting nocopy are people who don’t understand copyright law. If I remember correctly she can also receive restitution as the person did make money off her work. There is though are statutes involved.

      • mimiyuy

        10/09/2013 at 3:38 pm

        MERCI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Vous m’avez sauvé la vie !!!!!
        Thanks you !!!!!
        You are save my life !!!!

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 1:14 am

      I can count at least three ways to still copy the story (two use the highlight option). Disabling the highlight has done nothing but become a hindrance to people who use the highlight legitimately.

      I did the browser thing too, it’s a really bad way to do it. I would NOT suggest it.

      As for stealing a story and making a profit. That’s horrible but you don’t post the entire story on a free site and expect money from it online. No online site with pay to view stories puts more then a couple chapters up and if they do its of their own site so people can’t plagiarize off it.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 1:38 am

        That’s horrible but you don’t post the entire story on a free site and expect money from it online.

        The advice I’ve given the younger writers I come across the site who wish to get into the publishing industry in the past is to not post anything that you believe you will eventually be selling. Fictionpress and other similar sites are for posting stuff that you want to share for free.

      • mimiyuy

        10/09/2013 at 3:39 pm

        MERCI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Vous m’avez sauvé la vie !!!!!
        Thanks you !!!!!
        You are save my life !!!!

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 1:26 am

      I know you guys think nocopy prevents plagiarism but it doesn’t. This is particularly true if the person wants to try and sell the story on Amazon. Also…

      … and legally, she’s no longer able to sell that story under her own name if she ever wanted to publish it.

      Since this is the first time I’ve heard of this I’m going to ask what laws are preventing your friend from legally publish her stories for sale?

      So please please keep the highlighting disabled! I bet heaps of authors would come back to posting their stories on FP if you did.

      Nope. The majority of writers who are serious about eventually publishing for sale don’t post the work they plan on eventually selling online because they’re fully aware that plagiarism is out there and any person who is serious enough to steal and sell your work will go so far as to hand transcribe their work. It’s not something they in the long run do not want to deal with. What I personally post to FP is mostly fanfiction related. It’s the essays I write for fanfic writers so they can learn and works satirizing the behavior of fanfic writers. The rest was written for writing challenges that were based around writing original work. A lot of writers believe that if you publish something online for free you shouldn’t turn around and force your readers to buy it. That’s the real reason people don’t publish much on FP.

      • The Warty Hogg

        10/09/2013 at 12:48 pm

        I cannot imagine posting original work on the internet, where it could be stolen. Fan fiction is one thing but if you have any dream of ever publishing anything, DO NOT PUT IT UP ON THE INTERNET. If you are a crappy writer and know there isn’t a chance of being published, I would say, go ahead, but that was before 50 Shades made money.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 2:16 pm

        That’s why what I post is mostly essays. The rest is one-shots written for an online contest/challenge and since the content was created specifically created for said content I’m not going to be publishing it for sale. The other pieces are satirical in nature both of which involve fanfic writers.

      • God

        10/09/2013 at 2:57 pm

        As long as people like Cassandra Clare and Shey Stahl continue to make millions by self-publishing other people’s fanfic as their own original work, the problem is going to continue to be beyond the control of the folks at FP and FFNet.

      • Erica

        10/09/2013 at 3:38 pm

        Same sentiments. I have several novels in the works, and none of which I would EVER post on FictionPress. From the moment I found out about it, I immediately didn’t want to ever post my work. And a lot is the paranoia of it getting stolen, and that I wouldn’t want to post things I’m aiming to publish professionally.

        I’ve also had a rude anon reviewer, accuse me of stealing their “sister’s” story on that site (no proof) on a fanfic I PAINSTAKINGLY worked hours, day, weeks on that’s practically turned into a manifesto of PTSD. Let’s just say it pissed me off and I’ve held a nonsensical grudge against the site ever since. It also makes me paranoid that someone HAS stolen my fanfic and posted it there, claiming it as theirs.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 4:15 pm

        @ God ~ Actually, only Shey Stahl plagiarized someones fanic. The issue with Cassandra Clare was that she plagiarized originally in her fanfic under the name of Cassandra Claire and then retooled her fanfic for publication using her rabid fanbase to help drum up sales.

      • Lillian

        10/11/2013 at 1:20 am

        I don’t trust posting my works anymore on either site. If it is original, it stays in my notebook until I say otherwise. If it is fanfiction, it stays in a binder, well away from my original stuff, not to be posted unless I am convinced otherwise (basically, if I can trust that the idea won’t be stolen by another user and that my readers would tell me if it was being used so that I could report it.). So yeah, no trust, no go.

        Cassandra Clare and Shey Stahl need to be sued. Cassandra stealing from J.K. Rowling and another author. Shey Stahl for Meyers (even if I hate the Twilight books). Hopefully one day they will get their butts handed to them, especially Cassandra (I heard she has her readers attack others who don’t agree with her), all we can do is watch in irritation, and pity.

      • yemi hikari

        10/11/2013 at 10:49 pm

        @ Lillian ~ The problem with CC’s case is while people have been able to prove that she plagiarized in her fanfiction no ones tries proving whether or not she plagiarized in her published work. You also can sue for having similar ideas. The movie based off the first book though is getting a lot of flack for being a knock off of several series among other things.

        As for her fans… let’s just say her fanbase is a lot like Twilights. You’ve got the few sane fans but most are rabid.

        SS didn’t steal from Meyer. She stole from a fan who wrote Twilight fic.

    • Lillian

      10/09/2013 at 12:27 pm

      Rosieroo, Rogue is right. You and your friend can file suit against those people, because you still have rights. But I do recommend doing what Rogue said before going to court. You’ll need all the condemning evidence you need to teach those infringers a lesson.

    • KageNoNeko

      10/09/2013 at 7:15 pm

      Turning off copy and paste is a false protection and can be easily circumvented by viewing the page’s source code or turning off the CSS. So there is never any good way to protect your stuff online because thieves will always try and find out how to copy and paste stuff.

      A word to the wise: never ever post anything online that you want to officially publish and make money off of online.

  15. Cherie P-Rochford

    10/08/2013 at 10:30 pm

    thank you for mentioning about highlight being down. I could not the post. I want to add that I understand that copy/pasting does allow people to steal stories, but the option helps those people like me who easily skip while reading. I will be looking forward to the fixing of this error.

  16. Isame Kuroda

    10/08/2013 at 11:14 pm

    Not only I could not highlight the text, I try to copy/paste the link but it would not work…

  17. CodyGotKilld

    10/09/2013 at 12:09 am

    Hopefully the highlight problem is just a short term issue and is resolved soon enough. I usually highlight a sentence or paragraph while I read so that I don’t lose my place or reread a line of text. Sadly though, I’ve come to expect the worst whenever an issue such as this pops up on this site.

    • Deniz

      10/09/2013 at 3:57 am

      I’m using the highlight in this way too. Like you said to highlight a sentence or paragraph while I read so that I don’t lose my place or reread a line of text. But I also using it when I want to translate a word or a sentence that I didn’t know or understand because I’m non-english speaker. To do it other way is really inconvenient. Hopefully be corrected immediately.

  18. Sice

    10/09/2013 at 12:34 am

    To me, if someone badly wants to plagiarize someone’s work, they can still do so without copy pasting being made available. If I am a desperate, low life thief, I will be patient enough to hand type the story down on word one by one.

    Copy pasting also disables people who needs to run the text through google translator and what nots.

    I’m not so good in English so I am not going to argue any further but pardon my language, this disabling of copy pasting is utter bull.

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 12:49 am

      If you use Google Chrome or Firefox you can download a toolbar that will allow you to translate pages just by right clicking. It will open into a new page and translate. It still works with nocopy activated.

      • cathy massey

        10/09/2013 at 1:03 am

        Don’t forget that not everyone can download or install any improvements to help with navigating this site. In the past few weeks, since all this turmoil started, several people, including me, have said that we go online at public libraries, after-hours at work, or at family members’ houses.

        We are not all of us masters of or own private plot of Internet.

      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/09/2013 at 1:13 am

        For those needing a translator, without having to download software, what you can do in Chrome:
        Open Settings
        Click on “Show Advanced Settings”
        Scroll down to Languages
        Check the box “Offer to translate pages that aren’t in a language I read”

        It should then translate. It is not a perfect translation.

        PROMT will work with select languages – and yes, you can put the URL of the story you are wanting translated into the address for “web site” – I did test it on one just uploaded to the site.

        Bing translator: has a significantly larger selection of languages to choose from. Simply input the URL in the box, let it stay on auto-detect to whichever language you wish, and click “Translate.” It will then open the page. It may be a moment before it shows the translated text though.

        There are always ways around downloads for those who are unable to add things on the computers they utilize. 🙂

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 1:31 am

        @ cathy ~ In the particular case of public libraries I would actually go to the librarians and request that they down load the toolbar as it is a really good tool for any librarian patron. The librarians I’m quite sure would be very pleased to add a free tool that can help their patrons that can’t speak English for their internet searches.

      • Erica

        10/09/2013 at 3:41 pm

        There are sites like altavista that you can use too, if the option of downloading anything is unavailable. There are plenty of free translating sites out there.

  19. Sice

    10/09/2013 at 1:06 am

    I agree with Cathy here. I do not own the internet. For me, the turmoil started only yesterday. And there is no updates or replies from their twitter either. Archive of our own was more transparent on what they were doing since they are currently undergoing maintenance too.

    Way to go

  20. HeroR

    10/09/2013 at 1:08 am

    I hope this will be resolve soon. I used copy and paste while reviewing to point out grammar errors, awkward sentences, and points of interest. I also use copy and paste on my own work, so this is really annoying. I am hoping this is a bug and not a new feature.

  21. Trudes193

    10/09/2013 at 1:33 am

    No copy and paste is no good for me because I use speech text to read all stories, which is unfair for people who do the same thing, or copy and paste to read stories on paper. I seriously hope this is a bug in the programming, and not a new permanent feature.

  22. Deity of Insanity

    10/09/2013 at 1:48 am

    I don’t use the c/p at all so I?m really unaffected by this though I can easily see ways around it. What I want is very petty and unimportant but I shall throw it out there; the ability to delete PMs in your outbox. One) I don’t like that large number in there but 2) I recently had a heartbreaking break-up and due to being a romantic sod I keep finding myself going back and reading our old messages. Would love to just fully delete them. I understand it’s very unimportant but needed to throw it out there.

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 2:02 am

      I honestly can’t see WHY that isn’t already put in. Any pm system I’ve seen has a delete button. My biggest complaint the pm system is the inability to look at pm’s of users that have blocked you. I’d love to report a pm I got before they blocked me.

      • Deity of Insanity

        10/09/2013 at 2:16 am

        I remember when I first joined they had it but it didn’t work and instead of trying to fix it they just got rid of the broken feature and pretty much pretended it was never there.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 3:56 am

        It was only up for a couple of days. No telling if they will be able to bring it back.

      • Birdymain

        10/10/2013 at 3:14 am

        A silly as it sounds, I don’t know anything about programing other than recognizing it’s programing. . . But if it works for one box, shouldn’t it be really simple to copy it over to the other? The programming can’t be that different from other other.

      • yemi hikari

        10/11/2013 at 12:48 am


  23. Bob Knob

    10/09/2013 at 1:50 am

    Any argument for disabling copy-pasting are basically just plain silly. It’s so easy to bypass this that it’s not even funny. I’m almost tempted to post detailed instructions on how I can bypass this out of pure annoyance. It takes me only a few seconds to locate the offending code before I could proceed on my own merry way with doing whatever I want with the text. Sure this might prevent the less able for a time but in the end this will only serve to annoy the honest users. For anything proper to be done to prevent copy/pasting, a major redesign would have to be done. As it stands, this is only a minor road block to those who really want to steel stories and big annoyance for the rest of us. I could only really call this a false sense of security.

    tldr; This solution is bad for preventing copy/pasting stores and you should feel bad too.

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 3:55 am

      Not to mention the fact the less able will find ways around it. Those who really want to steal a story will just retype the whole thing so what is the point. And yeah, that last sentence of that big paragraph… that’s what I’ve been wanting to say word wise exactly but couldn’t get.

    • KageNoNeko

      10/09/2013 at 7:19 pm

      Bob Knob has it right. A thief is a thief and will find ways around it.

  24. Birdymain

    10/09/2013 at 1:57 am

    So many problems with highlighting. Should we share all the ways to bypass this and show how ineffective it is to stopping someone from copying it?

    I’m using Chrome on Win 8

    ctrl+A – Copy Paste in a document
    Right click -> Inspect element _> Search (ctrl+f) for Copy
    1. Right click -> edit text -> delete no -> press enter
    2. Right click -> Delete node

    *Added bonus for plagiarizing. Old fashioned typing it out on your own.
    *Or creating a picture and run it through a picture to text software

    • Potterstar202

      10/09/2013 at 3:02 am

      is it the
      .nocopy {
      -webkit-touch-callout: none;
      -webkit-user-select: none;
      -khtml-user-select: none;
      -moz-user-select: none;
      -ms-user-select: none;
      user-select: none;
      or is it
      Author Note: Please remember I don’t have a beta so please bear with me!
      both came up we I typed in copy.
      this better not be new feture because not being about to run this trough a read program is annoying

      • Birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 9:58 am

        Huh. Ya its the first one.

    • Bob Knob

      10/09/2013 at 5:14 am

      In chrome it’s even simpler if you use it’s “Developer Tools” to delete the specific nocopy element. It’s really quite elementary. That’s the only piece of code to concern yourself with.

  25. Isame Kuroda

    10/09/2013 at 2:42 am

    I complain that I could not copy/paste the link. I try again several hours later and it worked now. Why the same things not happened with highlight and copy/paste text? Was it really a new permanent feature?
    If that was the case, I really not pleased.

  26. Akula1986

    10/09/2013 at 3:33 am

    It is so bad that what one steals his story just before kimmt
    yes but you must remember that the people who do not highlight any other
    Copy language than their own can take it as a help and a
    page they insert it and translate in your language
    I’m a represent of if I can not that is the side not for me
    I need it just interesting

  27. Spyridon

    10/09/2013 at 3:36 am

    You know, I get annoyed when people post public summaries that include foul language. A fic just appeared in the Fast and Furious with the word a** as part of the title. Do people even read the TOS anymore?

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 3:52 am

      Perhaps the site admins need to make people check the guidelines before they post anything new. Of course, that would be taken as another way to punish those who are doing what they are supposed to and the people still wouldn’t even bother the guidelines. Perhaps the site admins could compliment a system that makes it so that newbies to the site have to follow through a check mark process until they get to be a certain age account wise. If you have to select a check mark you’re actually forced to read what you’re checking. Oh wait! Maybe the guidelines should have it so that people have to check mark every guideline! That might work and would prevent people from skipping from the end and they might learn from osmosis.

      • The Warty Hogg

        10/09/2013 at 12:51 pm

        I am quite certain that posters do not read the guidelines any more than we read those software agreements. People skip through it and click ‘yes.’ I think a ‘plain English’ page should pop up before every posting. IF you copied this from somewhere else, you cannot post it. If it contains song lyrics, you cannot post it. If it your grandmother would wash your mouth out with soap for saying it out loud, you cannot post it.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 2:08 pm

        I actually wouldn’t mind it. For some of these kids it would be the only thing that would drill it into their heads that the rules are the rules.

      • seila

        10/09/2013 at 6:04 pm

        Heh, not a bad tldr version of the guidelines. I approve.

      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/19/2013 at 8:43 pm

        They do actually make you click the Guidelines page when posting a new fic. However, since the rules haven’t been updated since 2008 or 2009, I don’t bother reading it. I read it through a couple times. I figure that’s good enough until the edit date is more pressing. And yes, I don’t read the software contracts, either. It doesn’t help that many of them say the same things about how not to decompile the program or post defamatory material, blah blah blah.

        As for rules, it’s like plagiarism. If people don’t want to follow them, they won’t. Having reminders will not help. The thing is, if you see something often enough, you just tune it out eventually. That is what has happened with the Guidelines page and what would happen with any proposed reminder system. Only solution that I think even comes close to making people follow rules is to have consequences that actually get enforced. I think that’s the problem with plagiarism. There are no real consequences to someone who does it.

  28. Jillian

    10/09/2013 at 3:53 am

    with regard to the copy/paste issues… Does anyone know why this was done so ‘quietly’? There are multiple places where this could have been announced to give room for discussion, but instead it seems to have been snuck in, literally in the dead of night. Why the covert maneuvers?

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 9:59 am

      I seem to remember this not being the first time they implemented something on the covert.

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 2:07 pm

      I think it was done quietly because there was a small group requesting it because they falsely believed that it would actually stop plagiarism and that there wouldn’t be an uproar from people on the site. If it had been announced on the site blog the site admins would have likely gotten a lot of positive response from them and may have felt said positive response could have been used against them in the arguments in the blog if they then removed said system, where as the negative response would not have come until it was implemented. This though is just me theorizing here.

      • Birdymain

        10/10/2013 at 3:10 am

        Maybe. This is along the lines on what they did with the MA/NC-17 rating. No warning, they just deleted all the MA/NC-17 fics from the site. If I remember correctly because of that was created to house all the higher rated fics.

      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/10/2013 at 9:21 am

        As I have stated countless times before: AFF is i no way, shape or form, related to or affiliated with FFN. Xing is in no way, shape or form, related to or affiliated with AFF.

        They are not “sister sites.”

        Yes, I feel the need to point this out because the statement keeps being made, and it is erroneous.

      • Birdymain

        10/10/2013 at 12:39 pm

        Whoa cool your jets. No one is saying they are sister sites lol. Two completely different people own the site. With two complete goals.

        AFF was created in RESPONSE of the NC-17 purge of FF back in 2002 by other fanfiction writers. I’m sure there were other factors to AFF being created back in 2002 after the purge.

  29. lostfeather1

    10/09/2013 at 5:13 am

    This no copy/paste thing is really annoying me, because I am one of those people who is really limited to the internet. Therefore, I like to copy/paste a story so I can read it while I am not on the internet. Not to mention, when I do get the time to post a story or a chapter, I sometimes lose the chapter that I saved because I computer loses data and I cannot afford a new computer at the present time. What a drag…

    I am really hoping that this is not a permanent feature for Fanfiction.Net. If so, then I will be considering on going hiatus for a long time.

  30. tracy vickanoff

    10/09/2013 at 5:34 am

    GEZZZZ I have to copy a story on my computer and put it on kindle so i can read because i only have WiFi!!! this is the Worst news!!!!!!! now what am i supposed to do?? iv”e been reading this site for YEARS!!!!!!! This is disappointing for sure! Very UN happy person

  31. DonPiano

    10/09/2013 at 8:08 am

    Man admins, I have to say the copy/paste suspicion-whether it was made to be permanent or not- was a terrible idea. Especially with it going unannounced; I thought there was something wrong with my computer until I looked on this blog and saw I wasn’t the only person with this problem.

    Clearly a lot of users, myself included, do NOT like it and some are greatly inconvenienced by it. It won’t stop plagiarists either, who will find other ways to copy someone else’s work and submit it as their own, even if they have to do the painful task of typing it out.

  32. Emily

    10/09/2013 at 8:48 am

    there should be an option for copy and paste if they want to turn it on or off like they did with the filters.

    • yemi hikari

      10/10/2013 at 3:02 am

      It’s not as if nocopy stops plagiarism.

  33. Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

    10/09/2013 at 10:03 am

    Okay, disabling CSS so copy-paste will work:

    In IE – Open the Web developer tools using F12. Choose “Disable” then “CSS” – the nice pretty page is gone, but you can highlight.

    In Chrome – download web developer app from the extensions store – it’s free. Click the nifty gear now showing on your toolbar, click “CSS” click “Disable all styles”

    In Firefox – push “Alt” to get your menu to show up. “View” -> “Page Style” -> “No Styles”.

    This is so easy to get around, it’s not even funny. What was the point of this again?

    It does absolutely nothing to hinder plagiarists. Whatsoever.

  34. cmcwiki

    10/09/2013 at 10:26 am

    Here is an idea: after clicking “I have read the content guidelines” you will have to take a quiz on them.

    1) *inserts read the book sample byte* The following is an example of
    A) MST (Read the book style fic)/plagiarism and is against content guidelines
    B) a perfectly okay fic.

    2) *inserts a screen cap of a title page of a fic where the author name and username do not match. The following is an example of
    A) a duplicate fic/plagiarized and against content guidelines
    B) a unique story and perfectly okay.

    after answering the question the correct answer will be highlighted. hopefully it would get the message across. if any questions are answered wrong, the writer must retake the quiz or answer the question again.

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 10:49 am

      What? I’m terribly confused on your questions. I get where you are going. . . But that’s even worse then the no highlighting and I can totally see even bigger uproar.

      **It would also do absolutely nothing. If you’re going to plagiarize this will do nothing to0 stop it.

      • cmcwiki

        10/09/2013 at 10:54 am

        that may be but it would educate those who don’t know better.

      • Birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 11:09 am

        Weird it won’t let me reply to your last post.

        It’s my understanding that signing up already brings the content guidelines up. Regardless, how often has that ever stopped someone from posting against the guidelines? Very little I’ve noticed. Self inserts, song fics, MA rating, petitions, summary of pending story, etc.

      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/09/2013 at 11:29 am

        Birdymain – the nesting on the blog only goes three deep (one post, one reply, one reply to the reply) – it’s not infinite like Livejournal.

        As to the CG – the issue is that the people who are violating the terms aren’t reading it. cmcwiki’s point is that a lot of them claim “I didn’t know that was illegal!” when they’re told that uploading the entire content of a book is copyright infringement and can get them personally sued.

        Plagiarists will steal, and the only thing that’s going to stop that is constant, continual deletion of their accounts. Processing of malicious thieves has to be uniform and consistent, or the message doesn’t get across that the behavior is not tolerated.

        And this CSS isn’t going to stop them. All the information I posted about disabling it is publicly available on ehow’s website. It’s not that difficult to figure out – and there are numerous other ways to take a story without resorting to disabling the CSS even.

        I could spend all day listing them, but the point is, this nocopy script is not doing anything but hindering readers whose actually want to read and hold their place, or review specific issues with the author, etc.

        If this is their way of keeping Google from mapping, I really wish they wouldn’t. Those Google hits are very, very useful for finding stolen stories. If the intent here is to make the reports stop, well, that’s not going to happen until the issues are resolved. Just sayin’.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 2:03 pm

        I’d willingly take a quiz if it meant cutting down on the rule breaking. The order of questions would have to be randomized as well as the order of the answers. That way while I person could find the answers for the quiz online they would still have to read the question as well as the answer and eventually it will be forced to sink in. Then the argument of “I didn’t know” doesn’t stand and anyone posting against the rules is doing it knowing full well it is against the site rules.

        As for Google mapping… I don’t believe nocopy blocks Google mapping. It’s some other coding. I can’t answer for sure though.

    • cathy massey

      10/09/2013 at 2:05 pm

      I really like this one!

      A few questions to check the comprehension of concepts & terminology, combined with a readily available glossary, should help a lot of those with innocent over – enthusiasm about ‘sharing’, but probably would not deter the cold-blooded deliberately malicious thief.

      It should also help with people who are honestly confused over ratings. I can find at least a dozen stories in the rather small fandoms I frequent that are, at most K+, not really even T, but say “rated M” (or even MA for language) just to be sure”. Some are abandoned WIPs that are marked ‘rated M for future chapters’ that evidently will never come.

      • cathy massey

        10/09/2013 at 2:08 pm

        This was a reply to CMCWiki’s post at 10:26am in which he (forgive me if I’ve got that wrong) called for a quiz on the registration page.

  35. bloodsong

    10/09/2013 at 10:41 am

    bottom line:

    plagiarist: CTRL-A, CTRL-P. has the whole story.

    everybody else: out of luck.

    please take out this useless protection and irritating hinderance some people’s enjoyment of the stories. thanks.

  36. Lynn Hollander

    10/09/2013 at 11:40 am

    FictionPress has a number of disadvantages as a site: the limited fonts, the standard removal of spaces between scenes, the whimsical omission of asterisks and certain keyboard art, and the complete lack of indents. In FictionPress’s favor are the ease of posting and updating, the DocX exchange, and the copy/paste function which allows easy reference to the text when reviewing. I was unaware of the other modes/actions copy/paste allows, like translations or audio or simple bookmarking.
    Further, if the intent of this change was to make plagiarism impossible, it doesn’t. It makes it a little more difficult, but there are workarounds determined plagiarists, even those who are not completely computer savvy, can utilize.
    Balancing good, but ineffectual, intentions against reality, I hope you will agree that the change harms more people than it helps. Please return the copy/paste function.

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 1:47 pm

      The site has enough fonts and for most stories indents are not needed. The sites paragraphs use the standard for the net when it comes to paragraphs, no indents. The others are glitches that the site admins need to fix though.

  37. Niente de Nada

    10/09/2013 at 12:46 pm

    Let me add my voice to the chorus of people who are annoyed by the new c&p change. I was working on a list of fanfic recs on a forum and was trying to quote bits as part of my recs, but nope. So then I end up here trying to find out what’s going on.

    This is ridiculous.

  38. Akula1986

    10/09/2013 at 1:32 pm

    Rogue Mudblood (@ RogueMudblood) I thank you for your explanation
    so I can read more in my language thanks
    I hope they have it solved soon

  39. konarciq

    10/09/2013 at 1:39 pm

    Adding my voice to the chorus, too. Copying and pasting for plagiarist reasons is still very easily possible, but the detailed work of quoting bits and pieces for writing an insightful review is taken away (as far my knowledge goes). Going back to copy an old chapter of your own back into the document manager to edit it is getting messy, too. Clearly the good ones have to suffer the consequences of punishing (ahem…) the bad.
    Copying to put things on your kindle is quite a bit more work now, too. And if it indeed affects the ability for people who need a screenreader to enjoy the stories – then it’s even worse.

    Please reverse this, Xing. It’s *not* a good idea.

    • yemi hikari

      10/09/2013 at 1:51 pm

      Until it is reversed I advise hitting ctrl+shift+z instead of just ctrl+z. Then you select the unformatted option and its nice and clean.

      • konarciq

        10/09/2013 at 2:17 pm

        Thanks, but… what is that supposed to do? Ctrl Z equals *undo* on my computer 😉

        I tried it with my own story, but nothing seemed to happen. It certainly didn’t copy anything. Or do I need to do the ctrl A and ctrl P first, and then ctrl alt Z?

      • konarciq

        10/09/2013 at 2:18 pm

        Um – ctrl SHIFT Z, I mean…

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 2:35 pm

        Sorry! I meant V, not Z!

  40. birdymain

    10/09/2013 at 2:11 pm

    You’d think they would get back to people about this with so many complaints. Or are the admins of going to just ignore this problem and not respond?

    • knotothedrk

      10/09/2013 at 2:29 pm

      Well…this is a bad idea any way one looks at this…

      But, we can’t deny…at least FFN is going back in the right direction. THere’s a lot of work to be done, and I fear that Xing is scrambling around at this point, trying to appease everyone… Xing, for the sake of your sanity… just go back to the copy right cases…and put the copy paste thing back…don’t worry about the little bells and whistles until after the big stuff is fixed…

      We can wait…do the big stuff first…then you can have votes with your users about other little bits and pieces….and this could be a voted on thing… but first…deal with the big stuff…

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 2:34 pm

        This shouldn’t even be voted on. Any of us who’ve dealt with plagiarists in the past know all to well that nocopy doesn’t prevent plagiarism and only hinders the people using the site in a legit manner

      • Birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 2:40 pm

        And as been pointed out a few times now. Extremely easy to get past.

  41. mimiyuy

    10/09/2013 at 2:38 pm

    Réalisez-vous que votre système de blocage de copier-coller ne bloquera ABSOLUMENT PAS les plagieurs ?

    Pour info, il suffit d’imprimer sous pdf ou d’enregistrer sous txt pour récupérer TOUS les textes !
    Bilan, par votre action placebo INUTILE (a priori pour une poignée d’auteurs) vous pénaliser TOUS vos lecteurs Et le reste de vos Auteurs qui n’ont rien demandé
    Je suis AUTEUR et suis fière qu’on puisse venir copier mes textes pour les lires hors ligne.
    En agissant comme vous le faites vous empêchez tous les lecteurs de lire une fic, sur une liseuse au lit, sur le canapé, dans un train, le bus ou l’avion !
    Car nous n’avons pas tous accès à internet partout ou des accès illimités.
    Pire, vous pénaliser TOUS les handicapés visuels
    Ou toutes les personnes qui traduisent les histoires hors ligne qui ne sont pas dans leur langue maternelle !
    Bilan vous pénaliser TOUT le monde pour faire plaisir à une maigre poignée !!
    Via une action dont le but n’est pas atteint puisque le texte reste 100% Accessible !
    C’est terriblement égoïste et écœurant.
    D’autant que parler de droit d’auteur pour le monde des fanfics est risible, puisque par définition un auteur de fanfic ne RESPECT pas les droits d’auteur des créateurs des univers sur lesquels nous écrivons, puisque nous n’en sommes pas propriétaire.
    Alors, à quoi bon rendre ces textes inaccessibles à la copie simple ?

    Aussi je vous en supplie, faites RETOUR-ARRIERE sur ce choix !
    Car ainsi, vous ne faites que priver les auteurs que d’une importante part de nos lecteurs !
    Vous limitez vos propres trafics !
    Et disons le bien, vous dégoûtez infiniment nombre d’entre nous.
    Après une nuit peuplée de cauchemars, d’imaginer le temps qu’il me faudra dorénavant pour récupérer les textes (5min par chapitre au lieu de 15seconde, sachant que je suis plusieurs centaines de fics en même temps !), je vais perdre des heures de mon maigre temps libre par jour et au final des jours par mois, et semaine par année !
    J’en ai pleuré de dégoût des heures durant.
    Je suis écœurée, attristée et déboussolée. Car après 15ans de visite quotidienne, mon quotidien est à jamais bouleversé pour un but qui ne sera pas même atteint par votre action.

    Aussi une fois encore par avance infiniment MERCI de faire retour arrière sur cette évolution aussi incompréhensible qu’inutile pour contrer les plagistes !

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 2:43 pm

      Just want to throw this in a translator.

      10/09/2013 at 2:38 pm
      Make sure your locking system to copy and paste not block ABSOLUTELY NOT plusieurs?

      For info, just print as pdf or save as txt to recover ALL text!
      balance by your actions USELESS placebo (presumably for a few authors) penalize you ALL your readers and the rest of your Authors who asked for nothing
      and I am proud that AUTHOR can copy my texts come to read them offline.
      Acting like you do you prevent all readers to read a fic on one reading in bed, on the sofa, in a train, bus or plane!
      Because we do not all have access to the internet wherever unlimited access.
      Worse, you penalize ALL the visually impaired
      or people who translate all the stories that are offline not in their mother tongue!
      Balance penalize you EVERYONE to please a meager handful!
      Via an action whose goal is not achieved, since the text is 100% accessible!
      It’s terribly selfish and disgusting.
      OF as well as talk about copyright for the world of fanfics is laughable, since by definition a fanfic author does not RESPECT the copyright rights of the creators of universe in which we write, as we are not the owner.
      So , why make them inaccessible texts simply copying?

      So I beg you, do BACK TO BACK on this choice!
      Because so you’re just depriving offenders as an important part of our readers!
      You limit your own traffic!
      And say well, you very much disgust number of us.
      populated After a night of nightmares, imagine how much time I need now to recover texts (5min by chapter instead of 15 seconds, knowing that I am hundreds of fics at the same time), I ‘ll lose hours of my meager free time per day and the final day of a month, and week a year!
      I cried for hours of disgust.
      I am disgusted, saddened and disoriented. Because after 15 years of daily visits, my daily is never upset for a purpose that is not even reached by your action.

      So once again THANK YOU very much by advance backtrack on this development as incomprehensible useless to counter the sunbathers!

      • Birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 2:45 pm

        My suggestion is to throw the whole page in a translator and look at the by passes people have posted.

      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/09/2013 at 3:12 pm

        *snicker* it translated “plagiarists” as “sunbathers” ? LMAO.

      • Erica

        10/09/2013 at 3:54 pm

        Sunbathers…plagiarists…Oh dear (snickers)…

      • Simoneau

        10/09/2013 at 6:22 pm

        Actually, the original poster used the wrong word – the French word for “plagiarist” is not “plagiste” but “plagiaire”

        A “plagiste” is someone who hangs around on beaches (from “plage” = “beach”). So for once, the online translator was actually on the right track.

        “Sunbathers” is funny, though; but not appropriate for plagiarists, who are the sort of creature that hides under rocks and sneaks out to steal stuff before retreating again…

    • always you85

      10/11/2013 at 5:31 pm

      je suis tout à fait d,accord avec toi, c’est juste dégoutant ce qu’ils font !! injustifier et pénalise tant de monde pour des raisons stupides !! Sérieusement faite marche arrière et remetter tout à l’ordre pour le bien de tous et surtout les fans !! merci.

  42. knotothedrk

    10/09/2013 at 2:50 pm

    @ yemi hikari

    I’m not saying it’s not a horrific idea…I’m saying that if he wants to start implementing things, he really should put voting up, for people who would like to have their say on particular matters…my other point was, if enough people wanted this to be a feature, (horrible idea though it is) that it should be for the majority to decide…because doing things like this covertly, is a bad idea…

    • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

      10/09/2013 at 3:09 pm

      Just a small point:

      Though it is a courtesy for Xing (or any webmaster) to allow ‘voting’ on features, it is in no way required. They maintain the site for you to use for free.

      Wanted to point that out, since people seem to have the misguided notion that webmasters have to ask for the opinions of their users. They don’t.

      If you paid for the use of the site, you’d have an argument for him asking for a majority opinion. But since this is free of charge for all users, there’s no reason he should feel obligated to ask for everyone’s opinion before he implements something.

      Would it be nice if he did? Of course. Would it be nice if he asked opinions before considering implementing major changes that are gong to affect the entire membership? Yes. But, again, he doesn’t have to.

      He can implement whatever he wants without ever asking anyone’s opinion on it, as long as it’s legal.

      • birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 3:16 pm

        Lol. Very true. That’s why there isn’t a MA/NC-17 rating anymore.

        *YA that was a funny translation. Sunbathers. XD

      • knotothedrk

        10/09/2013 at 3:26 pm

        ….it was just a suggestion….

      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/09/2013 at 3:27 pm

        I have to point to the California penal code on that one as well. Since he wanted to lower the age of the registrants to 13, he would then be legally liable for minors viewing MA material, and could be prosecuted for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

        Ignoring the reports about MA material on site doesn’t make him any less culpable; however, by not having the rating available, the authors themselves who upload material that they know is against that particular guideline share liability and can be prosecuted under the California penal code as well.

        At least, according to item 14 under the TOS the site is still considered to be located in California.
        Regardless, there are similar regulations on the books for each of the fifty states, and the fines can become pretty steep.

        Consider $200 per count of ‘contributing to delinquency’. That’s the low end of the fines I’ve found; if memory serves, California’s is $500.

        Not counting possible jail time (because you can be fined and serve up to a year in prison for allowing minors access to porn), consider that an MA story gets 100 hits on one chapter (for the purposes of this scenario).

        So, a five chapter story, each chapter containing graphic sexual content that you’d have to show ID to get in a video rental store, gets 500 hits. And let’s assume that, since the majority of the accounts I see both posting and commenting on such stories are between the ages of 13 and 25 (per their profiles), that 25% of those are under 18. 125 x $200 = $25,000. That’s the fine on one story. Again, in California, it’s $500 per count. $62,500.

        As far as legal liability, I can completely understand why he would remove the rating. Those dollar amounts are incredibly convincing reasons.

      • birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 3:45 pm

        I’m thinking the fines wasn’t entirely the reason. Legal liability like that is counteracted by a disclaimer about the age and registering the age. Course that isn’t perfect either

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 4:08 pm

        @ knotothedrk ~ It’s a suggestion that has been brought up before. On top of Xing not being required to ask for the majority opinion polls can be easily manipulated. Comments actually allows the administrator of the site to pick out legit complaints from the non-legit ones and actually determine what is favorable and what isn’t. While other things have gotten complaints before there was only one other time that there were enough legit complaints like this for the site admin to reverse something. I can’t though remember what it was.

      • Birdymain

        10/10/2013 at 2:21 am

        > yemi hikari

        I know of one they changed back. Don’t think it was a big complaint, I think I remember one or two others besides myself who complained. When they made the entire summary a button that clicking on the summary sent you to the fic. It was an annoyance especially on a tablet.

      • yemi hikari

        10/10/2013 at 2:57 am

        The one I’m thinking of is different, but yeah… I’m glad they changed that back.

    • Belen09

      10/09/2013 at 4:38 pm

      Okay I don’t highlight as I find it distracting – but from a ‘customer base standpoint’ – if you restrict people who do use that feature – say people who don’t have full internet access – or are non-English (or whatever) speakers – or people with disabilities (and this would be terribly unfriendly, and perhaps discriminatory) – you ‘whittle’ the people who are comfortable on your site to perhaps an unfavorable level to the advertisers . . . just my opinion.

      • PsychyMajor

        10/09/2013 at 5:18 pm

        While true, the fact remains that a vast majority of users have abused the c/p system, and therefore, the rest of us have to suffer.

        Or, you can look at all the other suggestions people have been placing up earlier about the various browsers that let you still use the function.

      • birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 6:13 pm

        If you mean a lot of people use copy and paste to. Save for later reading off the internet , show for reviews, have a program read back to them, translate to other languages, report a violation. . . There’s probably a lot more, so ya, MAJORITY of people “abuse” copy and paste.

      • Simoneau

        10/09/2013 at 6:23 pm

        @PsychyMajor – either provide proof of your extraordinary statement about “the vast majority”, or get your hand off it.

      • yemi hikari

        10/09/2013 at 7:19 pm

        Sorry, but no. The majority of the users who copy and paste do it within what is considered to be fair use. This “the rest of us have to suffer” is also problematic in the fact nocopy does not stop the suffering those who are plagiarized go through despite the fact you guys think otherwise. People who want to plagiarize can still easily do it and all nocopy does is make the majority who are using it correctly suffer, not the ones you want to be stopped.

  43. Lynn Hollander

    10/09/2013 at 5:39 pm

    >PsychyMajor: is it really a majority or just a loud minority? Have you data?

  44. Jillian

    10/09/2013 at 6:02 pm

    PsychyMajor: Really? The vast majority abuse copy/paste? What a bizarre conclusion. Are you suggesting that most people who use are plagiarists? Or are you suggesting some of forms of copy paste abuse?

  45. Lynn Hollander

    10/09/2013 at 6:23 pm

    Not that plagiarists will be willing to supply data. So I guess PsychyMajor’s comment falls under the not proven category.

  46. StarryNight173

    10/09/2013 at 8:52 pm

    Is it normal that I can’t access my Inbox on Private Messages? It says that I need to login, so I press login and am semt back to the Account screen, meaning I’m locket out of my own Inbox. I can still get on Outbox and guess who has responded, but I’d much rather have the Inbox feature restored, especially when I get a whole new PM I am unable to see thanks to the weird.. Glitch? has been going on for only my IPod for maybe three days now, and it’s HIGHLY irritating. This happen to anyone else? And can you fix it please?

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 9:19 pm

      Works fine for me. Did you try restarting your browser? Log out then back in? And if none of those work, restart your computer.

      • StarryNight173

        10/09/2013 at 10:42 pm

        I probably need to do that last one. My IPod’s update isn’t the !0S7 or something. It’s in need for an update anyways. Thanks!

      • Birdymain

        10/09/2013 at 10:48 pm

        No problem. 🙂

  47. xraiderv1

    10/09/2013 at 9:12 pm

    lovely..I cant even highlight-search now. thanks FFn…

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 9:20 pm

      I suggest referring to previous posts, there are more than one person who showed how to bypass it. Rogue Mudblood and myself put up a step by step along with others as well.

  48. Jordanna

    10/09/2013 at 9:26 pm

    Interesting. I can still copy/paste on IE, but my version of that browser is probably… not the newest. On Firefox and Safari, however–no joy. Even if it isn’t likely to affect me much, I definitely disagree with this move, and hope it will be reversed.

    For those who need to use screenreaders or translation, might I recommend Fanfiction Downloader?

    It’s a nifty little program I use if I want to save anything for offline reading. I just tried it on one of my own stories, and the nocopy did absolutely nothing to hinder it. (Which, yet again, points out the useless of disabling C-P in the first place.)

    • Birdymain

      10/09/2013 at 9:47 pm

      I just had to try that out. My that was fast. Cool program.

      • Jordanna

        10/09/2013 at 10:13 pm

        Glad to know the current version of FD still works around the nocopy (since my download of it was an older one). It is a great little program.

        Also! For those on public computers etc. who can’t download the FD program, there is FLAG. This site allows you to download fic from FFN (and other sites) directly through your browser, in various formats from HTML to e-readers. I just tested this too, and it still worked perfectly fine.

        If either of these are helpful, keep spreading the word for people who don’t read this update blog.

  49. nmilligan

    10/09/2013 at 9:48 pm

    I will just add my voice to the complaint about disabling copy/pasta. I too like to copy/paste things into my review to say what I liked about the story. As others have explained, disabling it gives a false sense to security only to people who have no google-fu to figure out how to work around it.

  50. PCHeintz72

    10/09/2013 at 11:37 pm


    Copy Paste, most has been said. Basically disabling is worthless, in IE or Trident rendering engine based browsers such as Avant (when set to IE), with no script tools, no source viewer or alterations, and just playing around, figured the correct procedure to have selective copy/paste work just fine in about 30 seconds.

    Strangely, the same does not work in a Chrome based rendering engine browser such as Avant (when set to Chrome)

    Personally, of higher importance to me is I want my category RSS/ATOM feeds back. I miss them dearly. It is hurting a lot my ability to track stories.

    • KageNoNeko

      10/09/2013 at 11:57 pm

      What is removing the ability to copy is CSS and turning off CSS or trying to comment out the nocopy stuff.

      • PCHeintz72

        10/10/2013 at 1:29 am

        I know… I figured out a couple different workarounds based on browser before even coming here… I merely meant the same non-script based solution I found in IE or Trident rendering engine based browsers does not work in Chrome or Firefox based ones… But that is fine, as the script based solution or turning off CSS in those works fine.

        But I reiterate, as annoying as a the attempted block on copy paste is, if I had a choice I’d rather have my feeds back.


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