Pairing Mode Part One

13 Oct

We are introducing true pairing mode for characters within stories on FanFiction. In this first update, the author/admin feature of the pairing mode has been activated. Authors can now login and edit their existing stories to check/toggle the new “Paring Mode” option.

Major Changes

  • (New) Pairing Mode: With pairing mode enabled, the ordering of the characters selected by authors is important. Up to two pairs are possible: (Character 1 + 2 and Character 3 + 4). Pairing mode is disabled by default and when disabled the ordering of the characters are not important.

Upcoming changes in Pairing Mode Part two

  • Pairing filters will be introduced on the public browsing side.
  • All existing stories with only two characters active will have pairing mode automatically enabled. This is a one-time deal as older stories and their readers assumed pairing status.
  • Single Pairing Mode: 4 characters but only 1 pair mode will be added.

Posted by on 10/13/2013 in Uncategorized


302 responses to “Pairing Mode Part One

  1. ryuka123

    10/13/2013 at 3:10 pm

    do you have any plans at all in removing the non-highlight feature?

  2. Mechconstrictor

    10/13/2013 at 3:15 pm

    Finally, this is one thing that I’ve been waiting for. I like to read only certain pairings and this will be a big help. Before adding characters slots three and four, I could be pretty sure that the two characters were the pairing. I hated how the extra slots were added. It didn’t really make much sense.

    • Simoneau

      10/13/2013 at 4:15 pm

      Seriously? You really feel that having the ability to designate stories as not being romantic couplings “didn’t really make much sense”?

      There’s a whole world out there. It’s not all just about snogging.

      • Tu M.

        10/13/2013 at 5:32 pm

        It did make quite a mess. People just threw in every character name they could fit. It didn’t matter how little their role was. It made looking for specific pairings quite difficult. This update should make everything just a tad bit neater.

        No need to get mad. I don’t see why people spit on the romance genre so much, (smut I can understand). If someone doesn’t have the same tastes as you, it’s simple just to keep your mouth shut.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 6:19 pm

        Some of the best stories I’ve read has had no to little romance in it.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 6:48 pm

        I don’t think you read my statement correctly. Or at least that is what I’m getting from your post. I said it didn’t make sense to add more character slots. I particularly don’t see any use from it. Is a story going to have more than to people in it? I’d say yes, most of the time. Is it necessary to list more than two? I don’t really see a need for it.

        And for your information, I’ve read many stories that don’t have any relationships in them. I enjoyed reading them. I just prefer the ones that have relationships.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 7:16 pm

        Perhaps if those writing and reading ship fic would read more then their preferred ships they would actually be aware of the needs of other members of the site.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 7:22 pm

        Why should I or any other read ships that we don’t like or enjoy. Reading other ships would not make anyone “aware” of the needs of others on this site. If I’m reading a story (and it doesn’t have a pairing listed) and I come across a pairing I don’t really enjoy, I close the story and stop reading it. I don’t watch tv shows or movies I don’t like so why should books be any different.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 8:12 pm

        I wasn’t talking about reading other ships. You yourself admitted that despite reading some genfic you mostly stick to reading romance so of course you’re not going to see any use for the second two slots. The argument that you don’t read books or watching shows you don’t like doesn’t work if you don’t give something the chance to see if you like it or not.

      • Rogue Mudblood (@RogueMudblood)

        10/14/2013 at 1:40 am

        If someone doesn’t have the same tastes as you, it’s simple just to keep your mouth shut.

        Ironic, that you should say so, given that you’re doing exactly the same thing.

        Simoneau’s point is that there is an excellent reason for allowing for stories to be filtered that are not necessarily romantic pairings. I personally would love a good action story in some of the fandoms I’ve read in, but can’t find one (other than what I don’t post on site that I’ve written myself, thanks) because everyone that writes in it is only interested in fanwank self-inserts.

        That’s their choice, and it’s yours if you like that, and I’m not denigrating your opinion. I’m simply saying it would be great every once in a while to read something besides romance.

        Why is it, I’ve noticed, that everyone comes in here saying that because we express an opinion counter to their own that we’re “mad” about something? It is possible for us to have an opinion that differs from yours and not be classified as being irate or irascible.

      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/19/2013 at 9:02 am

        @Simoneau: Hear, hear. *waves enthusiastically*

        @Tu M.: I like smut, so long as it’s not worded too crassly. As for romance, I will say that it is difficult to find ones that are written well or believably. It’s often an excuse to be melodramatic, immature, and tends to come off as cliched. Romance should be a side genre and not the thing that really carries the plot. That is, a story should work fine without it. Romance, to me, is like icing on a cake – adds something extra but is not really the substance of the story.

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 7:11 pm

      Before adding characters slots three and four, I could be pretty sure that the two characters were the pairing.

      Except that isn’t how it is supposed to be.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 7:18 pm

        Whether or not that was how it is supposed to be doesn’t really matter. It was used that way anyway. I know of many writers and readers who used that system to determine the pairings. It made things simple when looking for them. A pairing system is what this site has needed for a long time. Other sites have pairing systems but their organization system was no good.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 7:25 pm

        I think the two or more characters could be used if authors didn’t actually abuse the system by putting every and any characters that show up in the slots.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 7:28 pm

        This is what I’m seeing. I’ve read quite a few stories that that fill out the character slots to the max and they have very little to do with the story. They might appear once or twice.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 7:33 pm

        I think that’s why I stuck with all this time is because they only had the two character slots. The beginning of the 4 slot characters was fine, now I’ve found it getting a little out of hand. I remember looking at Avenger fics yesterday trying to find a Tony fic without the listing of Loki. It was impossible. >.< I know there's more than 5 fics of Iron Man without Loki as a main character.

        I'm tolerant of 4 any more will find me abandoning this site for something else.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 7:48 pm

        Unfortunately I can’t call grouping main characters and pairings together as adding a true filter system to the site.

      • Vicky (@Andromakhe)

        10/19/2013 at 9:08 am

        Agreed. It’s not. Character slots should be used for those characters involved in the overarching plot of your fic. I was happy when they added four slots since sometimes, you really do need it. Why highlight a pairing that only appears briefly, or sporadically? Sort of false advertising.

    • acekanigirl

      10/13/2013 at 9:38 pm

      I understand your point Mech, but to me, slots 3 and 4 were a godsend, because I tend to love fanfics involving the minor villains of the fandom, and with two slots they were almost always taken by either the ship or the heroes (because they’re more popular reads), never the main villain of the work. Within a month, one fandom that’s been going for years DOUBLED it’s stories tagged with one of my favorite villains. Was he a minor character in most of those stories: oh yeah, but I rather read that than wade through a whole fandom trying to find a small handful of fics.
      In my belief, that’s why the slots 3 and 4 were added: to allow authors to move beyond tagging the two main characters in 99% of fics and let the choices actually say something about the plot of your story.
      Note: hopefully this update will allow us gen-fic readers to exclude pairings from filters? I love a good romance story, but I tend to lose interest on those, especially when I read too many in a row.

      • bienfait

        10/14/2013 at 6:18 am

        @acekanigirl – it would be absolutely brilliant if pairings could be excluded from searches. I’m with you; I love finding stories where minor villains, or even minor good guys, get a bit of a showing; also stories where several characters interact, with all of them having the same level of importance The extra character spaces mean I can easily find stories which otherwise I’d have to spend ages browsing for.

  3. Hitto

    10/13/2013 at 3:16 pm

    “All existing stories with only two characters active will have pairing mode automatically enabled.”
    Oh so it’s all about romance, hu? If you write something with 2 characters but it is not romance, you have to change it yourself. Great.

    • Tu M.

      10/13/2013 at 5:35 pm

      Pairing’s don’t have to be romantic. It could be buddy/buddy, too. I could see someone placing a hero and her sidekick as a pairing. They are paired up after all. It doesn’t mean it’s going to be sensual. It’s like Chris Farley and David Spade.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 10:08 pm

        When people think of pairings in fanfiction the norm is romance. Mind you, not saying you’re incorrect in saying they’re also pairings but mark your friendship story between Draco and Harry as Draco/Harry and you’re in a world of hurt, not to mention you’ll get people begging to know when the romance is going to happen between the two.

      • Hitto

        10/14/2013 at 8:22 am

        Well, on the French side, when you say “pairing” (yes, in English because we use a lot of English words for fanfictions), it implies a romance between two or more characters. If there is only two characters with no love involved, well, we don’t use the word “pairing”.
        And I think most of people think romance when we talk about pairing.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 3:07 pm

        @ Hitto ~ Bingo.

    • cathy massey

      10/14/2013 at 3:43 am

      Sounds as though this pigeonholes the fics that have been here for maybe 10+ years into slots their authors may not have wanted them in.

  4. fems

    10/13/2013 at 3:20 pm

    Well, it’ll be interesting to see how this works out. If all goes well then I’m pleased that the pairing mode is finally here.

    I do hope the last part [All existing stories with only two characters active will have pairing mode automatically enabled] means authors can simply tick the box to pair up the two characters listed for their story, rather than all stories with two characters automatically being listed as pairings…

    • bienfait

      10/13/2013 at 3:24 pm

      I agree with fems’s last point. There’s a heck of a lot of existing stories out there with only two characters, but which aren’t “pairings” as such, and many of the writers will no longer be active.

      Surely it’s be better if the default was that pairing mode was inactive.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 6:19 pm

        That would make more sense.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 6:45 pm

        I agree that it would be better that pairing mode was inactive. With only two characters showing as you edit the stories I haven’t a clue which ones to turn it off on. Actually, what is the point of worrying about the older stories when there are plenty of them that don’t actually use character tags as they were written before character tags were added to the fandom.

        Actually, I wish that the pairing system was separate from the main characters entirely. It means people will be listing non-main characters again and it also means that those who write genfic won’t be able to use the pairing feature as well as they would had they been separate.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 6:57 pm

        Lol That would be nice too. My biggest problem with most fanfic sites is that they have multi characters listed and most of them are not the main characters, most instances show up for a couple paragraphs at most and then you realize you’ve read a story that isn’t about the character you wanted to read about. DX

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 7:08 pm

        One of the reasons I hate it when people use the character tags for pairings has always been because one or more of the characters wasn’t a main character. This was solved by going to the four character system, but its gone back. Mind you, its not that I dislike pairings… I have my own preferred ships.

        I also disliked it because while it is true that genfic stories focus on plot over romance they are not free of ships. A good deal of the family fics also involves romance between the parents and growing up stories can involve kids having their childhood crushes. I also enjoy romance stories involving one friend playing matchmaker for a friend. This just means that the hard core shipfic writers and readers are still getting their way when they shouldn’t.

        I guess it boils down to something I say a lot. “Romance is a genre and a plot device but it is not a plot.”

      • fems

        10/14/2013 at 2:51 am

        @ yemi
        If romance doesn’t play a big role in your gen fic story then you simply shouldn’t list it as a genre. Same goes for the pairing: if they’re in the background then they shouldn’t be added, regardless of whether there’s a separate pairing filter or just the four characters (with pairing options).

        It’s not rocket science and you wouldn’t do anyone any favors by tagging it romance, because the shippers would be disappointed that the pairing/romance is mostly in the background and not ‘overt’ enough, while the gen fic readers would most likely ignore it if they filter out romance.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 3:11 pm

        @ fem – Romance is not exclusive to the romance genre and a story can have romance that plays an important role in the story without being of the romance genre.

  5. fems

    10/13/2013 at 3:24 pm

    Since I can’t edit I will just post again with a question: will there be any significant change (aside from the upcoming filter option for pairings) in how pairings are displayed in story-overview, in-story and on an author’s profile? I’ve just ticked the boxes to make pairings on some of my romance fics but so far I haven’t seen a change in how the characters are listed in-story. Nothing that jumps out at me screaming it’s a pairing, I mean. It just looks the same as before, except for in my account.

    • fems

      10/13/2013 at 3:30 pm

      You guys really ought to consider an edit option for blog comments…

      I was going through my fics in my account to make pairings and since I wasn’t too enthusiastic about the four characters without a pairing option I hadn’t yet listed four characters (since they’re sorted alphabetically in my fandom and in-story that makes it looks like Char A & Char B are in a relationship, rather than Char B & Char C since only see 2 characters are displayed in-story), but now upon adding two other characters they’re suddenly listed as also in a romantic relationship.

      In short: I cannot list one pairing and two characters, instead I can go for four unrelated characters, one pairing and one additional character or two pairings.

      • Xing

        10/13/2013 at 3:36 pm

        Pairing mode of A + B but not C + D will be introduced in Part Two of the update.

      • fems

        10/13/2013 at 3:57 pm

        Xing, perhaps in the future your team should consider actually completing their new features before introducing them, as this will only lead to more complaints. Even more so considering you were the ones who insisted on allowing four characters in the first place and then make create this half-finished option which divides said characters into two pairings!

        Also, in spite of your editing in the original post there are still errors in what you wrote:

        “Up to two pairs are possible: (Character 1 + 2 and Character 3 + 4).” — Should be: Right now only one pairing with an additional character or two pairings are possible.

        “All existing stories with only two characters active will have pairing mode automatically enabled. This is a one-time deal as older stories and their readers assumed pairing status.” — Makes no sense, whatsoever. Again, it’s confusing and ambiguous at best by saying the pairing mode will be automatically enabled (does this mean the tick-box will appear or they are automatically listed as pairings?) and I don’t even know what you’re trying to say in the last sentence. Might be some words missing or perhaps you meant “assume”, which makes no sense in regards to the readers you mention. And how is “this” (what does this refer to, anyway?) a one-time deal? You make it sound like it’s an opportunity that you can’t miss out on or something, even though you imply that every existing story regardless of genre(s) will have its two characters listed as being a pairing, which also kinda contradicts the assumption you mention right after.

      • konarciq

        10/13/2013 at 5:27 pm

        I’m with you there, fems. I don’t get that line about the one time deal…

  6. prehistoriccat

    10/13/2013 at 3:25 pm

    So, I have a story with 4 characters currently, but only 2 are paired. I’ve just tried to edit and it either insists on pairing the second 2 or not having any paired. Is there a way it can be made more flexible? Also, threesomes?

    • fems

      10/13/2013 at 3:32 pm

      This is also why I asked about it being called a “pairing mode/feature” when they first announced it months ago, since a pairing naturally implies two people in a relationship, yet they let you add 3 or 4 characters. Apparently threeways and quartets are frowned upon by FFnet…

      • prehistoriccat

        10/13/2013 at 3:35 pm

        I don’t necessarily want threesomes, though I know some that would – not all threesome fics are of the sexual content variety – but I would like to be able to have a romantic pairing and two other characters that are central to the story but not a pairing.

      • Xing

        10/13/2013 at 3:36 pm

        Pairing mode of A + B but not C + D will be introduced in Part Two of the update.

      • fems

        10/13/2013 at 3:51 pm

        preshistoriccat, I don’t read/write threesome or quartets but it kind of defeats the purpose of allowing up to four characters (instead of the original two) listed per story if you can only mark two of them as being in a romantic relationship. Besides, I’m sure there are people who read/write threeways and quartets who would like this new ‘pairing’ feature to be applicable for their stories too, just not for pairings but to indicate romantic relationships between more than two people…

      • cathy massey

        10/14/2013 at 4:17 am

        I think threesomes and quartets would be perilously close to MA territory for many writers.

  7. meanne77

    10/13/2013 at 3:38 pm

    What about story NOT romance, then? Will we seriously have to uncheck one by one the pairing mode on our stories because 2 characters or more were selected?

    What about authors who don’t come to ffnet anymore but whose stories are still on line? Their stories will automatically be presented as romance with pairing mode on when there is, in fact, no pairing and the author won’t be there to correct your changes or won’t even be aware of them!

    What about stories with 4 characters selected but only 2 of them are a couple? It’s all or nothing with your new system, nice! Thanks to your pairing mode, I will have stories where parents and children or siblings are a couple. Thanks a lot!

    • tiquatue

      10/13/2013 at 4:41 pm

      What about authors who don’t come to ffnet anymore but whose stories are still on line? Their stories will automatically be presented as romance with pairing mode on when there is, in fact, no pairing and the author won’t be there to correct your changes or won’t even be aware of them!

      This is why I agree with fems. Too many of the authors from my fandom are no longer writing fanfic, or have moved away from the fandom without looking back. They won’t have the opportunity to opt out of the default. Far more writers write Gen fic than romance and this new feature jams these square pegs in a very round hole–one they can’t get out of.

      Yes, a lot of people assume two characters=pairing. I’m sure you remember, however, how “assume” breaks down. Do not let the vocal minority (and in some fandoms they are a very, very small minority) dictate how the new feature is to be used. Please make it an “opt-in” instead of a limited time “opt-out”.

  8. sora-livana

    10/13/2013 at 3:44 pm

    You’re remarkably determined to screw things up, aren’t you? First some ridiculous knee-jerk response to plagiarism that didn’t work, now the assumption that every single fic ever posted is romantic? Fecking ridiculous.

    • Birdymain

      10/13/2013 at 7:22 pm

      Maybe we’re part of an experiment to see how long it takes for someone to do something drastic?

      • konarciq

        10/14/2013 at 5:31 am


  9. Trudes193

    10/13/2013 at 3:45 pm

    This is a nice addition, and I’ve checked the box, but as fem said I don’t see any difference.

  10. Trudes193

    10/13/2013 at 3:46 pm

    But somehow I feel like this is a distraction from the nocopy problem, which I am still angry about because I have fan fics that are backed up because I cannot read them.

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 6:47 pm

      Yes. Please remove nocopy.

    • Birdymain

      10/13/2013 at 7:21 pm

      Of course it is, it’ll come back and we’ll all complain again, or they thinks they can sneak it in again. Just have nocopy turned on by default and you’ll have no one complaining about it. Those who think it stops plagiarism can turn it on and everyone else can just leave it as is. I guarantee more people don’t’ care about the highlighting being on compared to those who wants it off.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 7:40 pm

        I’d rather it be turned off by default and if they’re really that paranoid they have to manually turn it on. Otherwise there will be a lot of people who aren’t net savvy who won’t have it turned off.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 7:50 pm

        Just to clarify. You think they should have highlighting turned on in default? And authors can turn it off if they want to.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 8:31 pm

        If they give the writers the option to turn copy on or off on their stories I believe that all accounts should have the stories set to allow highlighting as default and if the writer doesn’t want to allow copy and paste they need to set it. I’d rather there by no nocopy coding at all.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 11:22 pm

        That would be best, but I’ve noticed when it’s set in motion things aren’t usually scrapped as failures or bad ideas.

        I have doubts on it being scrapped so I’ll settle with it having to be manually enabled not disabled. I know it will make all parties happier.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 12:24 am

        I’ll still have issues simply because I know that those breaking the rules will turn it on to prevent themselves from being reported. That who I see using the feature the most, not those paranoid about plagiarism.

  11. ninja-girl202

    10/13/2013 at 4:03 pm

    I have a pairing in one of my stories in which I have three major characters, but it’s NOT a love triangle, and it keeps putting the character who isn’t in the relationship second in the list instead of third, and it makes it look like THEY’RE in a pairing instead of the actual pairing. I took out that character from the list, but is there any way you can fix this???

    • Xing

      10/13/2013 at 4:08 pm

      Remove the characters by clicking on them and making sure the first 2, the ones you want paired, are added first. The ordering is important.

      • ninja-girl202

        10/13/2013 at 8:46 pm

        No, what I meant was that for some characters, it automatically puts others before them in the ordering.

      • Jordanna

        10/13/2013 at 9:34 pm

        That’s not working here. I have a story in which the focal character is a young man observing the romantic relationship between his brother and a girl. No matter what I try, or whether I clear all three characters and redo them, I can’t get the page to stop picking the *brothers* as the pairing–and dumping the girl by herself at the end.

        I gave up and unchecked pairing mode on that story. Now I’m wondering if it may be smartest to do what another commenter opted for, and remove ALL of my character tags until this new mess is resolved.

        Can’t we just fix some (intentionally) broken things–i.e.COPY/PASTE–before breaking any new ones, please?

      • Erica

        10/13/2013 at 10:05 pm

        Sorry, Xing. That isn’t working. For ANY of the stories I tried, just in case it might have been just the one.

  12. saintemew

    10/13/2013 at 4:22 pm

    If the story is a romance, it’s ok for making “pairing mode” with the characters. But for the others genres, maybe not automatically ?

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 6:48 pm

      My problem with the new system is I write genfic with pairings on the side. Not all of my pairings are actually listed as the main characters in a story.

  13. Book 'em Again

    10/13/2013 at 4:23 pm

    Xing, you might not be aware but there are a ton of hurt/comfort series on this site with two characters listed that are in no way romantically involved with inactive authors. In my main fandoms these are often two men in close friendships. The upcoming update is going to make readers believe that these stories are slash when they are most definently not.

    Don’t assume romance. I’ve written 11 stories not one has a single pairing in them. I hate romance – I don’t read it and I certainly don’t write it. Some of these stories have two main characters some have more, some have less. I think the premsis beheind the true pairing system is solid but grandfather it in please. Don’t change past stories because it is just going to mess things up. Especially, don’t change past stories that aren’t even listed as romance.

    • bienfait

      10/13/2013 at 4:29 pm

      Thumbs up to this. I’ve just gone through all my stories and removed all the character filters, because I will *not* have my stories misinterpreted as romantic couplings, not even for the short time it will take for me to realise the “pairings” filter has gone completely life, and to disable it on all my stories.

      It means I’ll have to go back and put the characters back afterwards – WITHOUT the pairings option ticked – but that, for me, is infinitely preferable to having my stories tagged (even for ten minutes) in a manner I find completely misleading and odious.

      What it would be like to come back from a long absence and find this had been done without my authority – well, I just shudder at the thought! And some writers who have had this imposed on them will never be able to come back and fix it.

      • bienfait

        10/13/2013 at 4:30 pm

        edit – “completely live”. See, you’ve made me cross, and now I can’t tpye porperly 😀

    • Birdymain

      10/13/2013 at 7:11 pm

      You make some awesome points and I’m sorry about this. >.> I had to reread it a couple times.

      **”I think the premise behind the true pairing system is solid but don’t grandfather it in please.”

  14. Arcross

    10/13/2013 at 4:37 pm

    A nifty and helpful feature, though I can understand why it poses a problem—namely stories whose authors are inactive at the time being. It appears that the Pairing Mode leaves no impact for the moment, but I’m looking forward to the Single Pairing Mode.

  15. rockprincess77

    10/13/2013 at 4:52 pm

    I’m having prombems with this. I have four characters in a story and I re agraged the oder of them and then used the couple feture, but then when I go back and hit the mage stories tab and hit my story the characters are in their orginal oder and it makes my story look like it’s slash.

    I also have another story with three characters and it does pretty much the same thing.

  16. Spyder Z

    10/13/2013 at 5:05 pm


    I would politely ask that you Don’t ‘Auto Pair’ all older stories. While yes, there are quite a few stories that have pairing in them, I’d be willing to wager that there are just as many that don’t (Regardless of how vocal ‘that’ crowd is). If you want to include a notification on the login screen that encourages authors to choose the ‘Pairing Option’ the next time they log in after it becomes available (And maybe generate a system message E-Mail to everyone if you ‘really’ want to get people’s attention), That would make more sense, while leaving control of an authors story to the author. Thanks guys. ;P

    • Simoneau

      10/13/2013 at 5:14 pm

      Auto-pairing in older stories is likely to cause some dissatisfaction amongst the “pairings” fans, as they will find an awful lot of non-pairing stories come up in their searches. Meanwhile, genfic fans are going to either miss out on stories they would have enjoyed, or have to pick them out from a mass of works which may or may not be actually “pairings” stories.

      This will make everyone angry and result in much wailing and gnashing, from *both* sides of the divide. It will also mean that, for older stories, the “pairings” tag will be absolutely meaningless.

      I respectfully suggest that the better option would be to draw a line under the old stories, and apply the new filtering only at the instigation of the author.

      I don’t know how manageable Spyder Z’s suggestions are, but on an intellectual level, they sound pretty sensible.

      • Spyder Z

        10/13/2013 at 5:24 pm

        *Raises the Monocle*

        Quite right! Well spoken sir! I could not have said it better myself!

        *Lowers the Monocle*

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 6:49 pm

        Bingo on the whole upsetting pairing fans. I think it would have been better to have had main characters and selected pairings separate, but hey… for someone who normally sides with the site admins on stuff I have to say they really are not thinking things through.

      • seila

        10/14/2013 at 12:57 am

        Well said Simoneau and Spyder Z.

    • konarciq

      10/13/2013 at 5:19 pm

      I agree wholeheartedly, Spyder Z. Please leave the control over characters yes or no being a pairing to the authors! There is more to storywriting than bloody romance… It’s barely present in my main fandom.

      Still, I just checked my Managing Stories page, and it *looks* like the pairing mode is off by default. At least the few stories I checked of which I remember that I have two characters listed. So let’s hope it stays that way…

      Meanwhile, Xing, now that you’ve got this bee out of your bonnet (which I’m sure made quite some people happy), can you please go back and remove the no-copy coding?

  17. Fallen Darkness

    10/13/2013 at 5:11 pm

    For the existing 2 character stories that you are going to automatically ‘convert’ to pairings, you might want to consider adding some kind of designator to singal that it was done automatically, rather then by the author. That way, readers will be able to know that the story *probably* has that pairing, but may not. I think that would satisfy most of the issues raised by converting old stories.

    For example, in Harry Potter fandom, there are probably about an equal number of existing gen stories and slash stories featuring Harry and Snape as the two characters listed. If you are going to convert all of them to romantic pairings, then there should be some way for readers to know that these older stories may or may not actually contain a romance between Harry and Snape.

  18. sho

    10/13/2013 at 5:28 pm

    I think this is a great idea for those who write romance fics. But I think the auto pairing should only go on the fics that have the romance genre. It would make a lot of people less angry.

  19. Lillian

    10/13/2013 at 5:32 pm

    Well, the couple nuts got what they wanted, this should make finding stories for couples and stories that don’t easier. However, I must agree with the complaints on “all” older stories being auto paired. Though MANY of the older stories used the older character filter as a means to pair, automatically,, few stories aren’t. However, some of those stories do contain fluff moments between the main characters. Though they are not a pair, there are hints and thus can make this assume auto pairing. In this case, I believe it is better, Xing, if you added a filter between the couples that are fluff and those that aren’t. This way, the stories that aren’t pairing related, but have the hints, can define their story.

    Now, onto another pressing issue. Now that you have added this feature, along with the slightly annoying translation system, I do hope you are working on a new report system to take care of the rule breakers on your site.

    • konarciq

      10/13/2013 at 5:41 pm

      “Though MANY of the older stories used the older character filter as a means to pair, automatically,, few stories aren’t.”

      I would think it’s more than *a few*…

      • Lillian

        10/13/2013 at 6:05 pm

        Not in certain fandoms.

      • konarciq

        10/13/2013 at 6:07 pm

        And other fandoms where romance is scarce 🙂

      • Lillian

        10/14/2013 at 10:32 pm

        Ah, but romance is never scarce.. You have fandoms that use the Stockholm syndrome, and those that are fluff only. You also have force relationships, bad romances, and many others such as just being lusty. So.. pairing exist in a variety of sorts.

      • seila

        10/14/2013 at 11:26 pm

        Romance abounds even in the most unexpected places and forms. The Megaman fandom is one of the most scarce in romance, though, and that kind of makes sense. Robot love is pretty niche, lol. It’s there too though.

  20. seila

    10/13/2013 at 5:32 pm

    All existing stories with only two characters active will have pairing mode automatically enabled. This is a one-time deal as older stories and their readers assumed pairing status.

    Whaaaaaaaat?! Nonono, for the love of God, please don’t. Every family or friendship relationship story on the site will look like pedophilia or incest!

    The only case where this would even be halfway acceptable is if it were for romance tagged stories only, but even then, there are stories older than the “two character slots = pairings” trend that used the old filter correctly.

    • Niente de Nada

      10/13/2013 at 10:26 pm

      Yep. This is going to make look really, really creepy. Every story about a parent and a child labeled as a pairing. ewww.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 10:40 pm

        There is a reason why I’m not using said filter yet. I don’t want the characters resorted. Said character being the child’s parent could end up either being canon or not canon. Thing is I and the few others who have been writing these stories have been wanting it to be easier to find said stories for this theory, not harder as said pairing between the two is popular.

    • konarciq

      10/14/2013 at 5:37 am

      Good point.

  21. Tu M.

    10/13/2013 at 5:43 pm

    I am really pleased with this update. Thank you!

  22. Hawki

    10/13/2013 at 6:03 pm

    Yeah, I’m in agreement that automatically designated past two-character categories as pairings opens a can of worms. Granted, I’m the person who has over 900 stories on his profile, but at least when I’ve had to trawl through them in the past (e.g. when an additional two character categories were introduced) I was doing so because I chose to, not because past entries were altered by a new feature.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the pairing feature is a good idea. But using myself as an example, I’d rather go back and apply it to past stories that need it, not go to the (majority of) my stories that don’t to unmark the pairing option.

  23. Belen09

    10/13/2013 at 6:10 pm

    Okay, now this is just plain weird – and I am very liberal and really don’t mind any kind of legal pairings – but people included presumably relevant characters in their stories, and not all of them were ‘hooked up’ . . . Grandfathering this ‘feature’ in is altering how people read the summaries at least. Gives me a headache thinking about it . . . Please change it only on future stories . . .

  24. cherri

    10/13/2013 at 6:14 pm

    can authors disable pairing mode? sometimes its a story with two characters that are just friends and ifnthe system only sees that there r two and puts them as a pairing…….

    • bienfait

      10/13/2013 at 6:26 pm

      cherri – yes, it will be possible to disable the pairing feature. There’s a tick-box on the story editing page for the author to turn this mode on or off. If we’re all reading Xing’s original post correctly, once the feature goes live you’ll need to go into all your existing stories and untick the “pairing” box on any stories that aren’t pairing-based. But for new stories after then, it’ll be unticked by default.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 6:51 pm

        Which means I now have to go through and edit any story with only two characters. Not happy about that.

  25. Ashleigh

    10/13/2013 at 6:21 pm

    As someone who writes little romance, and plenty of parent/child moments, I don’t like the idea of ‘pairings’ being automatically added. I think it should be up to the author to do it.

    • KageNoNeko

      10/13/2013 at 6:43 pm

      I have to agree, Ashleigh. It will be a pain to go through my stories and determine which ones don’t need pairing mode turn on.

    • cathy massey

      10/14/2013 at 4:13 am

      Just think about all those Hardy Boys fics whose authors selected J. Hardy & F. Hardy!

    • Priscilla

      10/14/2013 at 6:29 am

      I completely agree with you and right beside you in writting both romance and family stories, this pairings thing may cause readers to misunderstand and loose interest in the family stories.

      Beginning to miss when there were just two character choices. Simpler times.

  26. Birdymain

    10/13/2013 at 6:52 pm

    Statistics of the top fanfics without the genre of Romance

    Harry Potter 281K/661K
    Lord of the Rings 35.2K/48.8K
    Twilight 18.3K/73.5K
    Naruto 131K /335K
    Inuyasha 36.0K/104K
    Avatar Last Airbender 17.0K/36.5K
    Teen Titans 15.1K/34K
    X-Men 7.7K/11.1K
    Homestuck 4.6K/11.2K
    Kingdom Hearts 31.4K/70.2K
    Pokemon 34.0K/62.1K
    Final Fantasy VII 20.5K/37.1K
    Wrestling 13.4K/34.4K
    Misc. Books 6.2K/14.9K
    Misc. Plays/Musicals 5.2K/17.2K
    Glee 32.2K/98.1K
    Supernatural 59.8K/83.1K
    Doctor Who 29.5K/46.8K
    Star Wars 22.2K /29.4K
    Avengers 10.9K/20.2K
    Pirates of the Caribbean 10.0K/19.4K

    That equals out to 821,200 fics without romance out of 1,848,000. That makes a total of 1,026,800 fics with romance in it.
    In the top fandoms there are more romance then not, there is still almost 1 million fics that don’t.

    *What about fics with more than a two persons pairing? Threesomes are quite common in some fandoms.

    **I would also like to note, I love following romances but you limit readers exposures to anything but romance or none romance by doing this. Some of the best stories I’ve read weren’t romances but they were the character I wanted to read about. You should just scrap the idea or make it off by default.

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 7:00 pm

      **I would also like to note, I love following romances but you limit readers exposures to anything but romance or none romance by doing this. Some of the best stories I’ve read weren’t romances but they were the character I wanted to read about. You should just scrap the idea or make it off by default.

      Or even make pairings a second filter system all together. That’s what I would prefer. I actually work with a theory that character C is character A and B’s son so the ship between A and B despite not being clarified as canon as of yet as the canon isn’t finished progressing is important not to mention one of the reasons people don’t realize that their is an overlap between genfic and ship fic (plot versus romance) is because genfic featuring ship has always been sidelined.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 7:05 pm

        That’s what I thought too but what about those stories that HAVE romance in it, but their main focus isn’t romance, where do you list that then? Is it a genfic or romance fic. A second filter might be a good idea but just how many more characters will be listed then? Adding more character filters is just ruining’s awesome filter system. I would personally use AO3 more if their filtering didn’t suck so much.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 7:38 pm

        Let’s say my main characters are Alex, Bryan and Cynthia. Pairing wise Alex is paired with Diana but she isn’t a main character so Diana shouldn’t be listed in with the main characters. If the site admins did it right it would look something like this.

        Main: Alex-Bryan-Cynthia, Pairings: Alex/Diana. At most you could have four main characters and at most you could have two pairings. Order would be not be determined by the writer.

        And yeah… the tags are messy. It would hurt the site admins to organize it better.

        Line One: Sort By, Time Range, Rating, Length
        Line Two: Genre 1, Genre 2, Language, Status
        Line Three: Clearly labeled main characters and the four characters.
        Line Four: Clearly labeled as pairings with two character sets with an and/or/none option in between the two pairings with a special highlight color instead of green with it automatically being set to none.
        Line Five: Worlds (It needs to be sperate because this is something that varies from fandom to fandom.

        There would be space between filters so it wouldn’t look as cluttered as well.

        The without section would be a bit more tricky.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 7:46 pm

        I STRONGLY disagree on the main characters and four characters part. That’s listing six characters. *shudders* The nightmare of sorting through that.

        No they should just stick with the four characters and instead of labeling it Characters label it Main Characters.

        That will help eliminate a lot of authors who just post every and any characters who show up in the story.

        I also think parings should be labeled with two clear pairings if we have to have them with the ability of adding more than two characters in one pairing

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 7:56 pm

        It would also mean they wouldn’t have to mess with the 4 character filter, just change the name.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 7:59 pm

        I’m personally not seeing how it would be a nightmare to sort through, but then I’m not seeing it as adding six characters as a group, but main characters having four characters and pairings having four characters and thus two separate sets of data. That though may be because I see main characters and pairings as two very different things and putting them together makes no sense to my mind no matter how much someone is likely to explain it.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 8:03 pm

        Lol. I’m not talking about the pairing system. A completely separate filter for pairings would be ideal. I was talking about your line three

        “Line Three: Clearly labeled main characters and the four characters.

        That to mean reads as main characters and four extra characters.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 8:13 pm

        Sorry about the wording. What I wrote was so not what I meant.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 8:23 pm

        To tell you the truth, I don’t really see any use for the other two character slots in most situations.

        And I never said I don’t give other books, movies, or tv shows a chance. There is a reason I don’t like something. I gave it a chance and found it lacking. I don’t just pick something and say I dislike it.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 8:28 pm

        @ Mechconstrictor ~ You’ve also admitted that you mainly read the romance genre and rarely anything else.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 8:31 pm

        Yes and no. Even though I prefer stories with pairings, I’ve read many stories that don’t have a pairing. Just because I have a preference for what I like doesn’t mean I can’t like other stuff. I only don’t read stuff I dislike.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 8:34 pm

        I’m sorry Mechconstrictor, I don’t see how other fandoms have anything to do with the conversations.

        You don’t care about another filter because either way it doesn’t affect your searching.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 8:38 pm

        Ummm…I can’t really see anywhere I put anything about other fandoms down. If you are talking about my comment on tv shows and movies, then you misread my comment. I was talking about how I don’t watch something if I dislike it to prove my point about not reading something I don’t like.

        As for more filters, I would love for more of them so I don’t see where you are getting I don’t care about them. I just think that the filters should be implemented properly.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 8:36 pm


        O.o?? It’s almost like you’re spouting nonsense that isn’t related to the conversation.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 8:44 pm

        Nonsense? Don’t really see where it’s nonsense. I’m just defending my stance about the pairing mode. I think it’s a great idea, long overdue. I’m being told I should expand my horizons on what I read so I’ll know what others have problems with. I don’t think I need to expand them. I like what I like. The Pairing system is a great filter to add to this site. Adding one or to more filters and fixing the copy/paste issue will make the site just about perfect.

      • bienfait

        10/13/2013 at 8:48 pm

        @Mechconstrictor: you say “To tell you the truth, I don’t really see any use for the other two character slots in most situations. ”

        What about a family story, with equal weight to the parent, child and grandparent (eg a “Castle story focussing on the three-way relationship between Castle, Alexis and Martha?). What about an adventure including all four Musketeers, each of them playing a prominent part? What about “Pirates of the Caribbean” – do you really believe there can’t be a story in which all four main character don’t feature?

        How about a “Glee” story in which two or three characters talk about their reaction to the death of Finn? I think you’d want four for that, because even if he’s not there, Finn’s going to be a significant player in that narrative. Even if you leave him out, that’s still three.

        I could go on all day. There are thousands of scenarios where a story might feature one, two, three, or more characters. You only have to read Shakespeare or watch SBS to see plenty of them.

        You don’t see the use of more than two character slots, but for a lot of other people, the world is not defined by pairings. A dynamic of three, four or more can be much more fulfilling, both for readers and writers. It all comes down to personal preference.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 9:06 pm

        I’m not talking about just for pairings. And if you read what I said, you would understand. I said if the filters were done properly. You can’t just choose one or two or even three characters. If you search for a story with one person in it, you get every story with that person in it.

        They only give you two options to filter out other characters. If they are going to give you four or even six options to search for characters, they should give you an equal amount to filter out.

      • Erica

        10/13/2013 at 9:06 pm

        That’s what I’d never actually considered before. For myself, since I had romance in a story, I’d always personally considered the story a romance, though I usually label a story drama and humor, because that’s how I write (regardless of pairing, I always think of genre first and how the story is being written). But I mainly focus on plot versus pairing, or really interweave the two.

        So you mentioning an overlap and genfic featuring ship is something I’d hadn’t specifically thought of before, despite realizing that is exactly how I write.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 9:17 pm

        I’m just defending my stance about the pairing mode. I think it’s a great idea, long overdue.

        If defending your stance about the pairing mode is true then why are you defending it despite the fact the majority of the people commenting have made it clear that they too feel that a pairing mode was needed? If you read people’s comments carefully you would know their complaints are that the pairing mode isn’t being implemented well and that the admins are ignoring the major complaint about nocopy.

        What you’re really defending is that there is no need for more then two main characters. The argument you’ve made is that you personally don’t see there as being a need for more then two main characters. Yet if you were well read you would know there are many works out there that have more then two main character.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 9:20 pm

        Ok, put it this way. They need to fix the filtering system then. What I don’t like is the fact that if you are searching for just one character, you don’t have an option to choose N/A for the other slots. Of course you can filter out two options but just two. You need to be able to search for just one character if you like. The way it is set up, you get the character you want but every other characters for the other slots.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 9:36 pm

        @ mechconstrictor ~ In reference to the post you made right before my last comment. You talk about us not reading what you said but the thing is we have read what you’ve read but that is not the case.

        3:15 PM ~ Your very first statement was, “I hated how the extra slots were added. It didn’t really make much sense.

        6:48 PM ~ When people called you out for that you changed your wording up to be, “I said it didn’t make sense to add more character slots. I particularly don’t see any use from it. Is a story going to have more than to people in it? I’d say yes, most of the time. Is it necessary to list more than two? I don’t really see a need for it. .”

        8:48PM ~ Again, people took issue with what you said and you changed your wording up to be, “To tell you the truth, I don’t really see any use for the other two character slots in most situations.” in hopes to defray people from calling you for the same things as before.

        Thing is, once its out there on the net you can’t take it back.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 9:45 pm

        I’m not taking it back. There is no need to. In my opinion, it is broken so it makes no sense. I don’t believe stuff should be release until it is right. Maybe I’m not coming across as clearly as I need to be and stating it clear enough for others to understand. I do dislike the multi character slots and believe that it should either be removed or fixed.

        Fixing it could involve one of two things. The first would be to make it where you choose one character and that is the only character that pops up.

        The other method would be to add more options to filter out characters.

        I’m not changing anything I say and see no reason to.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 9:37 pm

        9:20 pm ~ Said comment from this time stamp does not change the fact you very clearly stated there was no point to having more then two characters.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 10:04 pm

        I’ll let your quotes stand for themselves.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 10:22 pm

        I’m still going to say your comments are almost nonsense. Changing opinions for the sake of an arguments is silly.

        10/13/2013 at 8:23 pm
        To tell you the truth, I don’t really see any use for the other two character slots in most situations.

        10/13/2013 at 8:38 pm
        As for more filters, I would love for more of them so I don’t see where you are getting I don’t care about them. I just think that the filters should be implemented properly.

        That is nonsense. Quotes directly from you, read back if you don’t believe me.

        *Think about your comments before actually posting them, or at the very least be consistent over them. There is the ability to change your opinion but that wasn’t’ it.

      • Mechconstrictor

        10/13/2013 at 10:32 pm

        I know what I wrote and while it might not be 100% clear, I believe that it’s not nonsense. I’m not trying to change my opinion. I read over every single one of my post on this topic and I do not see a single one where I change my opinion. I have at several points tried to clarify myself but not change anything. I still stand by what I said.

        Since several people on here don’t seem to understand what I’m trying to say, I’m just going to remove myself from this conversation. It’s like going in a circle. I see that it’s pointless so I’m going to unsubscribe to this topic.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 11:16 pm

        O.o . . . Three over one. Don’t think the problem is with us.

      • fems

        10/14/2013 at 2:56 am

        @ yemi

        So, instead of one to maybe two lines (depending on genres and how many characters are listed) underneath a fic you want there to be 5?! Why not just list only one fic (with header info) per page in the story overview, instead of 25?

        Like I said in an earlier post: if the romance isn’t on the foreground it shouldn’t be listed as a genre and the same goes for the pairing(s) of non-main characters. Problem solved!

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 3:45 am

        @ Fems ~ Those five lines had to do with giving the filter box another face lift so it didn’t look crowded.

        if the romance isn’t on the foreground it shouldn’t be listed as a genre and the same goes for the pairing(s) of non-main characters. Problem solved!

        So people should not list a pairing if only one of the characters is a main character despite the fact the pairing plays an integral role to moving the plot along and people who read the ship will want to actually read said story. That’s what I got from that statement.

      • fems

        10/14/2013 at 4:25 am

        Then I commend your reading comprehension. You, of all people, have been constantly saying how everyone should use the character slots the way they’re intended and to only list main characters, but it sounds like it’s okay for you to list non-main characters (and ship!) when it comes to your own stories.

        This is exactly why a lot of authors use header info in-story, as it allows them to list any possible pairing(s) that occur in the fic as well as use extra (non-available) genres, categories or warnings and disclaimers.

        Besides, if the ship is so important to the plot then you might consider actually mentioning or at least implying said ship in your summary.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 3:21 pm

        @ Fems – Apparently you’re missing the point I’ve been trying to make. There are certain stories of mine that have a main pairing that is important to the story that the readers know will be there as it is implied. However, I can not list the main pairing for some of these stories because one of the characters is not a main character. Thus people specifically looking for said pairing can not find these stories.

        On the other hand you will be getting people who will go ahead and list characters again despite them not being main characters just so that they can list their pairing. I’ve come across too many romance stories where only one of the people only one character from the pairing is actually a main character.

        Thus why I’m arguing that the main character system and pairing system should be completely separate. The filter system they want to implement is two steps back in the wrong direction.

    • Birdymain

      10/13/2013 at 7:00 pm

      *** So those 821,200 will be automatically listed as romance. *facepalm* Bad bad idea.

    • seila

      10/14/2013 at 7:59 pm

      I just went and checked a few of the numbers that Birdymain posted out of curiosity. It’s really interesting to note that you get very different totals filtering to get romance versus taking romance out.

      Take Inuyasha for example. As Birdymain demonstrated, when we filter out the romance, we get 36k. This implies that there are 68k romances. But. When we filter to have romance, we only see 46.2k. So. . . how does this work? XD

      It should be noted that these are filtered for K > T ratings only.

    • Lillian

      10/14/2013 at 10:35 pm

      Believe it or not, this auto feature would work on certain fandoms such as Percy Jackson where the pairings are mandatory.

      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 12:07 am

        Why are pairings mandatory in said fandom?

  27. yemi hikari

    10/13/2013 at 6:55 pm

    I’m going to say I’m not happy with the site admins right now. First, nocopy does not prevent plagiarism. Second, the new pairing system caters to those who write and read ship fic that places over emphasis on the romance. However, I write genfic and there are pairings that show up in my stories that are important but don’t always involve both characters being main characters. I also don’t like the fact that the pairing is going to be listed first, particularly after the site admins clearly stated that they placed NOT priority on character order.

    • knotothedrk

      10/13/2013 at 9:41 pm

      The current choices made by the staff at FFN leave something to be desired, I’ll agree….but hopefully they’ll come through…

      I just hope it doesn’t take another ten years for it to…

  28. Lady Monochromic

    10/13/2013 at 7:23 pm

    There are many problems with this. First assuming every story wriitten on here is romance is ridiculous; secondly inactive authors/stories are going to be undergoing this change. I understand it’s troublesome when searching to find that old fics tend not to be specific because of the new changes but I don’t think automatically enabling the pairings is going to do any good. In fact it’s going to backfire and make searching that whole lot more complicated — as many others have pointed out.

    A problem I have is that I don’t particularly write fics based on romance. There are slight implications but it isn’t enough to call them romance genres and I want to keep them generic. They don’t fit into romance or the other and so by forcing pairings into the filters I feel that many will miss out on stories that have implications – not only my stuff but I read many fics along similar lines. I have read a number of other fics that aren’t romance and so the pairings option feels as though we are being forced into that.

    Whilst this idea does seen good on the face of it, the negatives and problems it’s going to cause certainly outweighs the slither of fics this applies to.

    • Jordanna

      10/13/2013 at 11:00 pm

      If the people who *only* want pairing fics were to do searches, and find they had to dig through all the stories that aren’t pairings, but just had pairing mode automatically enabled… there’s going to be a massive amount of the exact kind of bellyaching I thought all this was intended to avoid.

  29. xraiderv1

    10/13/2013 at 8:13 pm

    and funny how the moment a nice shiney new feature is released, people forget about issues that are making the site hard to use…

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 8:23 pm

      I think the only reason most people aren’t bringing it up is because they have something new to complain about. The site admins are in the long run just making more work for themselves. This doesn’t though mean people have forgotten about it.

      Let me repeat the fact nocopy does not prevent plagiarism. Not sure if allowing the paranoid ones to disallow copy paste will do any good. I think it would instead make them a target for plagiarism by troll plagiarists who know their way around permibans just like putting certain things in your summary can make you the target of flamers.

    • Birdymain

      10/13/2013 at 10:28 pm

      I haven’t’ forgotten it either. I’m just hoping they’ll listen and have the nocopy script turned off by default.

    • seila

      10/14/2013 at 1:30 am

      Hmm, I try not to make it a habit to complain more than a handful of times about something. I’m still very opposed to the nocopy script as well, although I haven’t been nearly so vocal about it.

      But for the record, and just so it’s known that the matter hasn’t been forgotten at all. . . Nocopy solves nothing and creates inconvenience. This barely started pairing mess doesn’t just create inconvenience, it makes more problems.

  30. Higuchimon

    10/13/2013 at 8:21 pm

    I agree that pairing mode should *not* be the default. I also feel that we should be able to enable pairing mode for threesomes and/or love triangles. A romance isn’t always just two people.

  31. knotothedrk

    10/13/2013 at 8:31 pm

    Xing….what in the world are you doing? Please, don’t make it default… or you’re going to see pairings of characters that just….. they won’t even make sense, let alone be the actual pairing…. make it an opt in choice…

    On that note, please fix the copy paste again, or I won’t be able to read the fiction… making the pairing thing useless if I have to go to other sites for my reading pleasure…

  32. ShahbanouScheherazade

    10/13/2013 at 8:31 pm

    What happens to stories where the romantic declarations are reserved for the end (as they are supposed to be), and the story is about guessing which characters will be the happy sweethearts in the end? Just wondering. It seems one might as well just state the ending in the summary. No surprise, no suspense. Is there a solution I am missing?

    • knotothedrk

      10/13/2013 at 8:39 pm

      from the sounds of it… unclicking the stupid little check mark that will be provided…but this is going to pose wonderful issues none the less..

    • fems

      10/14/2013 at 3:16 am

      Perhaps there should be a tag that simply says “pairing” (or “undefined”), without indicating to which characters this refers? It could also be used for all the older fics without forcing the two listed characters into a pairing they might not be. However, the end result is pretty much the same as using no pairing and simply adding ‘romance’ as a genre but it might be an idea assuming there will be a filter option for pairings (in that case with the choice of “undefined”), especially if they plan on expanding this feature to include threesomes and quartets in the future and thereby allowing readers to filter for two, three or four people in a romantic relationship.

  33. Just Because

    10/13/2013 at 8:43 pm

    You guys have a lot of backed up work that could probably be done with volunteer work. While I’d like to say to ask people on FFN to sign up for this one random day out the month, I’m not stupid enough to believe in the good of humanity – people would just use it to their advantage to get at people. So why not recruit some local high school students who are looking for volunteer work (I know that AVID forces their students to get some hours in) to do some of the work like going through the backlogs of reports and help to answer them? Quickly teach them how to do it, and let them do it for the day while the team works on the gadgets of the site.

    And don’t make the pairing thing be automatic because that means I need to go through a lot of my stories and uncheck it. It’s best to just implement it and not have it automatically checked since it’ll cause less confusion.

    • Niente de Nada

      10/13/2013 at 10:31 pm

      Yeah, I’ve started to wonder why doesn’t recruit more moderators. The same problems seem to have been going on ever since i first ran into this site and that was many years ago.

      • Just Because

        10/14/2013 at 4:44 pm

        Probably for monetary reasons, which is why I suggested a one-day, non-pay volunteer work. It’s sort of a win-win. FFN gets some work done with reports and such, and the volunteers (like I said, for high school students) get some hours down for college/job resumes.

  34. Ruri

    10/13/2013 at 9:07 pm

    Well, the pairing mode should help to find both romantic AND gen stories, depending of what is someone searching, so I actually like.

    I have to ask, though… after this we’ll be closer to the return of RSS feeds? I really, really miss them and without them I have been reeding here far less than before.

  35. leightonhelena

    10/13/2013 at 9:09 pm

    I’m sorry for the off-topic, I’m commenting here given this post is the most recent… Does anyone know if the support e-mail is working at all? I’ve been trying to contact and adm or anyone who could assist me with a big problem that I have with my fanfiction account and nothing. This has been going on for months. Help?

  36. Jordanna

    10/13/2013 at 9:15 pm

    “All existing stories with only two characters active will have pairing mode automatically enabled. This is a one-time deal as older stories and their readers assumed pairing status.”

    This is a HORRENDOUS idea. I write a great deal of genfic that is about two brothers. The LAST thing I want in the world is for anyone to assume my stories about them are romance. THIS reader and writer does NOT and never did “assume pairing status”!

    And yes, we’re still waiting for you to actually listen to what we’re all saying about the disabled highlight/copying. Even if it doesn’t have much of an effect on me personally, I consider it a serious black mark against FFN to do something so damaging to others’ (including disabled persons’) use of the site.

  37. Erica

    10/13/2013 at 9:19 pm

    This…sounds like an absolute nightmare. I’m going to go check out the feature and mess with it a bit to see how it goes and if I like it or grow to like it…but it sounds absolutely complicated and horrible. Hence, my earlier apprehension about the ‘true pair system’ from before. But by the blog post and everyone’s comments, I feel utter dread pooling in my gut.

    Not seeing good signs here…

    (In fact, all I’m getting are flashing warning signs, from the comments and that confusing blog post.)

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 9:53 pm

      I’ve already tried it for the first story listed under manage stories. I find myself hating it. I’ve been very cautious about mentioning the fact I have over two hundred stories as I didn’t want to sound like I was bragging. However… I am not looking forward to going through all two hundred stories to add the correct pairing in where the two characters are the main characters as it is going to be a much bigger pain then if they had just added something seperate for pairings. I have to remove characters to get this to work!

      P.S. If done right a seperate feature could allow people to indicate pairings between two OCS instead of two CC or a CC and OC.

  38. Erica

    10/13/2013 at 9:22 pm

    Also, just disable the nocopy. I’ve seen only mostly NEGATIVE comments about having it and how it doesn’t help, so it makes no sense to keep it at all.

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 9:41 pm

      I’ve only seen two people making positive comments about it and both were from the camp that believes that nocopy actually will prevent them from being plagiarized.

      • Erica

        10/13/2013 at 10:24 pm

        Yep, and I can even remember one of their names. Which is saying something about how many people are for this nocopy thing speaking up on the blog…

      • Simoneau

        10/13/2013 at 10:47 pm

        I’ve actually figured out another way around the no-copy thing (and I’m not very techie) but I’m not going to reveal it at this stage. If the admins don’t know what it is, they can’t do anything to prevent it, right? (I will say it’s not exactly convenient, but it works.)

        Anyway I’m still on IE8 on the laptop, and it’s still happily highlighting and copy/pasting with no problems at all, so my other workaround is only for when I’m not at home.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 11:17 pm

        That’s the other thing nocopy does. Certain people are curious by nature and love solving problems so now you have someone trying to find all the ways around it just because they got started. If it weren’t for my irritation with the site admins I’d actually find it funny.

      • Birdymain

        10/14/2013 at 12:26 am

        Yep it’s definitely a puzzle now. XD They changed which script is affecting the nocopy. I did find a way around it if was still a second thing.

  39. CodyGotKilld

    10/13/2013 at 9:35 pm

    I’m guessing that since the nocopy script has been placed on all the stories that the admins are wanting to keep sites like flagfic out for good? That is the only way I can figure why the admins have not fixed the problem that is blocking flagfic.

    Now we have a pairings feature that is liable to cause a lot of grief for people searching for stories and will automatically assume that a pairing is involved in the story. I’m really beginning to question my time on this site when we hardly receive any info from voiced concerns or questions. I know the site has a ton of users but you have to hear the same overall complaint from people. I’ve sent three emails concerning the problem stated above and I know for a fact that their are hundreds more that voice the same question.

    • yemi hikari

      10/13/2013 at 9:41 pm

      I know the site has a ton of users but you have to hear the same overall complaint from people.

      Particularly since there is practically no positive response from people. Even when other things were added there was a lot more people saying positive things about said feature and sometimes the reason for so many negative comments was because of glitches or minor issues that needed to be worked out. Not this time.

      • CodyGotKilld

        10/13/2013 at 9:51 pm

        I just get the feeling that could care less with what its users think. It feels like most of these updates just up come from a random round table discussion where the admins and staff throw around ideas that they like but forget to ask about its users thoughts on the issues.

        Heck, the day I receive a reply from an email I’ve sent will be a cause for celebration on its own. At least then I might feel somewhat appreciated.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 9:54 pm

        It’s never been this bad though.

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 11:48 pm

        It hasn’t’ been this bad since the 2002 MA purge. I’m guessing they’re due some more negative feedback that they won’t answer the readers/writers on.

        An actual answer to know problems would be nice.

        **Stop adding things and fix the ones you put in first. DX More problems are going to add up. You can’t just add half baked programing willy nilly, the whole system will crash if you can’t even get one thing working right.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 12:18 am

        I wasn’t around in 2002 and only heard about it after the fact. So yeah… that’s pretty much the only time. At least the ban of MA content had actual logical reasons behind it.

    • Jordanna

      10/13/2013 at 9:53 pm

      I’m puzzled on that. Every time I check Flagfic myself (using different browsers), it’s still working for me.

      As for the pairing mode thing… I have 140 stories. The pairing mode would be applicable for about half a dozen of them (and on one of them that involves three characters, the selector won’t even pair the correct two, no matter what I try). If I later have to go and disable the pairing mode on 130+ stories so people won’t assume they’re slash instead of family/friendship, I Will Not Be Pleased.

      This is really an incomprehensible backtracking on Xing’s previous assertion that the character tags were never *supposed* to be about pairings.

      • yemi hikari

        10/13/2013 at 10:02 pm

        (and on one of them that involves three characters, the selector won’t even pair the correct two, no matter what I try

        Really? I didn’t have that problem. I’m not though going to wait and see if it actually sticks though as I’ve heard that people thought it stuck only to find out that it switched on them later on. The story I was messing around with… not only would it indicate a slash and pedo pairing I’ve tossed in hints that the one character is the kid’s father.

        I also have a lot of stories like you do and I would rather have a completely separate system for pairings. I wouldn’t have a problem going in and adding this, but going back and checking every story? No thank you. Even if they didn’t add a separate system I’m leery of adding the pairing in because there are writers out there who will gripe about it not being blown focus on the pairing.

      • Jordanna

        10/13/2013 at 10:45 pm

        You can see my reply to Xing about it farther up. (Along with someone else having the same problem.)

        The story in question features a young man observing his brother’s relationship with a girl. Nothing I tried would make the site stop putting the *brothers* together as the pairing, with the girl just tacked on at the end. So much for that…

      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 11:50 pm

        Some stories were getting though. Mine did when I tried it. The main problem I think was that it either didn’t’ work or you cant’ fetch new chapters.

      • cathy massey

        10/14/2013 at 10:57 am

        If you start making a lot of perfectly innocent gen start implying that they are slash and pedophilia, then you can expect people to jump to conclusions about what’s permitted here based on superficial reading of summaries.

        Pretty soon you’ll have a load or MA stuff here, with authors saying “But look at HIS summary! How come HE can post that?”

        Making things too easy for the superficial sorts to jump to the wrong conclusion is opening up an unnecessary can of worms.Why make more work for yourself?

      • cathy massey

        10/14/2013 at 11:12 pm

        I can only suppose that post seemed coherent and complete when I clicked ‘post’ on it at 4AM my time.

        In my defense, I couldn’t sleep and was burning away a half hour until I could take some medicine.

  40. MyNameIsJeffNImLost

    10/13/2013 at 9:56 pm

    Pairing mode for crossovers is broken. I added the characters in a specific order, enabled pairing mode, and everything looked fine. I left and reentered to find that the characters had been alphabetically sorted so it looked like I had non-canon pairings across the shows. It happened when I had three or four characters selected. I had to disable pairing mode for those stories. The issue does not occur for non crossover stories.

  41. yemi hikari

    10/13/2013 at 10:11 pm

    Suggestion. Since certain pairings aren’t sticking why not trash this pairing system, work on removing the nocopy and then work on an actual pairing system that is separate from the listing of main characters.

    • Jordanna

      10/13/2013 at 10:46 pm


      • Birdymain

        10/13/2013 at 11:37 pm

        Totally and changing the name Characters to Main Characters.

    • seila

      10/14/2013 at 2:57 am

      I like this suggestion.

  42. Erica

    10/13/2013 at 10:21 pm

    Okay, here’s what I have to say so far. Based on checking all 76 fics of mine, to prove an accurate stat report on how this system works with every fic:

    -I don’t see how any of the older fics are being automatically classified as pairing. I looked over quite a few of my old stuff -nope. I manually changed all the ones that were pairings into pairing mode.

    -Listing: Do not use pairing mode if you have more than two characters. Three characters will only work if the addition of certain characters weren’t added to the filter list later on. So if it isn’t, you can have the pairing mode work and have the third character be a main character as well only otherwise. Or else, you’re screwed. It does not matter if you delete every single one of those characters and add in again in order. You can even add the pairing characters first, save, and then add the other character -it still won’t work.

    When you have all four fields filled in, you’re doubly screwed because the first two is highlighted as a pairing and the other two as another pair.

    -I don’t see the difference of the listing on the site or on profile (live). I see the new addition of dots being put in between characters, but nothing that shows pairings. Searching is the same as just searching before.

    • Erica

      10/13/2013 at 10:23 pm

      I can’t say I like it as nothing about it is proving to be an addition to the site. Also, the pairing sticking I was talking about for more than one isn’t working for crossover or noncrossover.

    • Niente de Nada

      10/13/2013 at 10:33 pm

      “-I don’t see how any of the older fics are being automatically classified as pairing. I looked over quite a few of my old stuff -nope. I manually changed all the ones that were pairings into pairing mode.”

      The automatic classification is supposed to the be next phase. It’s not implemented yet.

      • Erica

        10/13/2013 at 10:46 pm

        Ah, right. I just remember through everyone’s comments about it, I forgot it was for the next phase.

  43. Birdymain

    10/13/2013 at 10:40 pm

    I just noticed something. These last few updates. The nocopy and pairing, they should be turned off by default.

    There are few people who would even use the nocopy, with many more people who actually need a highlighting function to work their reading programs, keep their place, report a story, use in a review.

    Half of the stories on don’t have the Romance genre on their stories so a good chunk of fics have nothing to do with romances or have a pairing. A lot of authors aren’t updating their stories or have abandoned Or are dead.

    For both of them it makes more sense to set them off by default. Allowing people to highlight, and authors to chose pairings themselves.

    Please listen to your readers and authors. Put them in if you much, at least set them off by default.

  44. Britt

    10/13/2013 at 10:50 pm

    I have a story with four characters I put the first two in as a couple then the second two in as a couple. they look good you save and go look again and it’s switched around so person A is now paired with the wrong person and Person C is paired with the wrong person. It’s like if it’s not a main or Cannon pairing it won’t except it.

  45. LadyAnatar

    10/13/2013 at 11:29 pm

    Yay! You’re adding pairings! As a die-hard romantic, I am very pleased with this development.

    Alas, here comes the bad news.
    First: The Pairings Feature is confusing and illogical to use at the moment. I am reserving judgement (and personal use of it) until the feature is properly set up.

    Second: I was hoping for something a little more similar to AO3; they have a line for the main characters, then a line for the pairing(s). Granted, they allow a ridiculous amount of each; I am more than happy for FFNet to keep using, say, four characters and one or two pairings. That sounds useful to me.

    Next: I have personal, moral, and religious objections to polyamory. That’s why I write and read about aliens to get around those scruples. Would you be able to make the pairing(s) also be trios, if necessary? Transformers (and Avengers, and Harry Potter for that matter) has many, many stories about trios, and I would love to be able to search for those.

    Next to last: Please do not make the pairing feature the default; you will quickly find yourself under fire for causing many cases of incest between Main Characters. Besides, anyone with experience on this site will know that the older stories probably will not have all of the newer features/options checked off even though they could. (Additionally, some authors just don’t give a care.) So we readers are used to searching for stories anyway.

    Finally, I am still irritated about copy/paste. PLEASE BRING IT BACK. It is much more difficult to Google quotes, references, names, etc. now.

    In conclusion, I appreciate your hard work. However, I wish you would turn your efforts to something constructive that the majority truly wants, instead of updates that frustrate and infuriate us. Thank you!

    • Birdymain

      10/13/2013 at 11:44 pm

      Just to clarify you have “personal, moral, and religious objections to polyamory” but you ask for pairings consisting of more than two people. I’m not disagreeing, there are many pairings of three or even four, and the lower moresome. Just confused

      • LadyAnatar

        10/14/2013 at 12:16 am

        Sorry. I mentioned ‘aliens,’ but that really wasn’t explanation enough.

        Basically, I have problems with humans being in something other than a loyal twosome, specifically people in RL. I know that that my preferences are broken both historically and in contemporary times, but that’s still what I believe in. (To everyone’s relief, I will not give a spiel detailing my beliefs.)

        However, I have always found polygamy and “alternate romantic groupings” fascinating, even if at times that fascination is morbid at best. I get around my scruples by reading about well-functioning trios and such in sci-fi/fantasy, usually on other worlds and/or with different species so that it doesn’t matter. They’re not my species? Then they don’t factor in on my religious beliefs, and they won’t have the same physical/emotional dangers as Real Humans do/often have in those situations (especially since they’re fictional).

        Hope that answers your question, and sorry again for not being clear enough!

      • Birdymain

        10/14/2013 at 12:18 am

        That makes sense even if I think of it as being weird. XD I do understand what you were getting at though.

  46. HeroR

    10/14/2013 at 12:23 am

    I went back and check my stories and none of them had the pairing system disable. Either they didn’t do the switch yet or they changed their minds.

    As for the issue with the older stories, I see it as a no-win. Romance people will complain because older stories will not be searchable through the filters and doing what the site plans to do will make them complain because they will find stories they may not want. I personally think they should leave it disable and just tell users that some older stories will not be found. It is nothing new, I had the same issue looking for older completed stories that were done before the complete/incomplete filter was introduce.

    For the pairing mode itself, I see nothing really wrong with it. Then again, I do not read or write romance and almost all my stories save for one has three main characters. The only real issue I see is that the filter itself does not breakdown pairing and gen. I assume that this will be fixed in an upcoming update.

    I do not think that romance and gen should use different character filters, however, otherwise it would look like AO3, which people just smash stuff together. If a pairing is meant to be a secret, simply do not list them in the character slot and if the couple are not the main characters, do not list them. Only list the pairing if they are important to the story. I can see an issue, however if you have a gen pairing along with a romance pairing since the filter right now cannot break between the two, it is either one or another. Hopefully, that will be taken care of in the future.

    I do agree that the nocopy issue is my biggest concern. I have already found a work around, but I wish they would just disable it since it really helps no one, not even the people they are trying to protect.

    • yemi hikari

      10/14/2013 at 3:36 am

      I actually have at least one story where the main characters are A and B, B is paired with C and the relationship between them is important enough to list them but C is not a main character. Actually, I have one other story where the pairing one of the main characters is involved in is important to the plot but the person said main character is paired with is not one of the main characters.

      • fems

        10/14/2013 at 4:20 am

        You could instead just list Character A and B since they are the main characters and add a pairing note in the header info for B/C in-story. That way you use the character slots the way they’re intended to, like you keep hammering on about and inform the readers who find your title/summary appealing enough to open the story about a pairing used in the fic in case they don’t like it.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 9:00 pm

        Aka you’re saying I should put up with the fact the pairing mode is designed for those who write strictly romantic ship instead of asking for a pairing mode that is fair to everyone whose stories contain a main ship.

      • fems

        10/15/2013 at 2:52 am

        Those are your words, not mine. I’m simply saying the genre, character and now pairing slots are simply created to list the most important genre(s), main characters and main pairing. If the ship in your fic is in the background then there’s no need for it to be added, especially if it doesn’t really qualify as romance (as in no overt romantic behavior other than perhaps referring to each other as their partner, maybe holding hands or a kiss on the cheek before they go for work etc). Those sort of things can be made clear in the summary anyway if you feel the need to mention the pairing (yet still insist the story is genfic) and/or simply listed in header info in-story. There’s no need to change the entire character/pairing system again simply so people can add non-main ships. Next you’ll want something to indicate non-main ship characters are divorced or widowed!

        The information underneath the summary has already already become cluttered since the two additional character slots have been added and that’s not even taking into account such fandom-specific things as ‘worlds’. If it hadn’t been for the filter (which still doesn’t work well) then I would have totally given up because with all the information I’m actually starting to overlook all the listed characters, in particular if they cross into the second line.

      • yemi hikari

        10/15/2013 at 5:55 pm

        I’ve brought this up on the blog before. Some people side with the definition of genfic being “no romance”. By this definition the work in question is neither genfic or shipfic and I honestly don’t know what you would label it as. However, most people agree that mild romance is allowed in these stories thus I can classify these works as genfic.

        Of course you’re also making the argument that you can’t label something as a major pairing for a story if “if it doesn’t really qualify as romance (as in no overt romantic behavior other than perhaps referring to each other as their partner, maybe holding hands or a kiss on the cheek before they go for work etc) .”

        Except these actions do qualify as romance and many of my English teachers would throw a gasket at the idea of them not being qualified as romance. This is particularly true with older works where it was taboo to represent a romantic pairing any farther then this. I’ve also seen romance stories based around this simple slice of life premise. Which I can see you saying that they can’t label this story as romance because it is so mild, but fact is they can.

        You’re also trying to label the ship in my story as a non-main pairing because a.) the story’s main two genre is not romance and b.) because one of the two people in the ship is not a main character. Again, many of my English teachers would disagree with this assessment and would attribute it to people coming to think of romance genre wise as a black and white thing that can easily be shoved into a box.

        By many I actually mean all, but I do know that there are English teachers out there who are major flakes that don’t know what they’re talking about.

  47. Spyridon

    10/14/2013 at 12:25 am

    Yeah, I refuse to comment on the pairing system until part 2 comes out. It would be pointless to say anything until then.

    • Birdymain

      10/14/2013 at 12:29 am

      Why not? Pointing out flaws now would be easier to fix than later.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 3:16 am

        If they’ll listen to us. If they don’t there is going to be an even bigger uproar.

      • Spyridon

        10/14/2013 at 7:04 pm

        Well, you guys seem to be doing the complaints really well so far. Considering the response from Xing is a little lackluster at the moment to your complaints, adding another one isn’t probably going to do much. That and I don’t want to screw up my new chapter so I’m messing with adding the next installments. At the moment, I plan on going through old stories and editing them.

        Does anyone have a script where i can copy reviews and store them as I plan on deleting a couple of stories that I know I won’t finish.

  48. Deity of Insanity

    10/14/2013 at 12:55 am

    The pairing feature is essentially useless to me as both a reader and author (once I’m able to get more stories up) because I don’t look for specific ships when looking for a story to read and romance takes a back burner to plot and character development when writing even if it’s there the whole time. However, like most of the commenters, I dislike the older stories automatically being changed. And other then that, there’s more important things to work on.

    • PCHeintz72

      10/14/2013 at 1:05 am

      I also do not read a story solely on pairings.

      Also agree other items more important to some than this, like to me the RSS/ATOM feeds I’ve been waiting patiently for… I seriously doubt that everyone would be near as patient had it been the email update system disabled for near this long… I do not use that system as I get far too much email as it is, and have now desire to manually activate it for the 2860+ stories or 1340+ personal profiles I monitor.

    • Goddess Whistle

      10/14/2013 at 1:21 am

      Well, this update helps me a lot! Authors like to list every single character that appears in a story. Now when someone lists Eric, Sookie, and Bill together, I won’t have to suffer through an Eric/Sookie pairing because it will be clearly stated!

      Romance stories can have plot. I am a major Amanda Quick fan and she writes very humorous mysteries. It’s very narrow minded of you to insult that genre.

      Thanks for the great update!

      • Deity of Insanity

        10/14/2013 at 2:05 am

        Since when did I insult anything or say the romance genre can’t have plot? Don’t read into things that aren’t there. I simply said that in my own writing romance isn’t that important and shouldn’t be focused on. Now I’m not a fan of the romance genre in general but I don’t stereotype things.

      • yemi hikari

        10/14/2013 at 3:15 am

        … I won’t have to suffer through an Eric/Sookie pairing because it will be clearly stated!

        Not to offend here but there is a feature on the net called the back button. In most cases you’ll know quite quickly that its not the pairing you want. Thus your not suffering through as a few seconds does not amount to suffering.

  49. PCHeintz72

    10/14/2013 at 1:00 am

    I hope they know to add an option for harem or perhaps a more politically correct term would be Multiple…

    A lot of stories actually do this, and it is not limited to any one series or class…

    • seila

      10/14/2013 at 3:02 am

      A harem is a harem. “Multiple” can be easily misconstrued to mean several things other than a harem.

      But yeah, harems and threesomes and such are completely out of luck with what we’ve been given so far. Although it is only stage one.

      . . . Except I’m already dreading part two. :/

  50. Tsukumiyomi

    10/14/2013 at 1:06 am

    “All existing stories with only two characters active will have pairing mode automatically enabled. This is a one-time deal as older stories and their readers assumed pairing status.”

    No, no, this is bad, I’ve read a lot of stories that have 2 characters listed (A and B), but at the end it was just a trap and the real pairing was other one (A and C), this will be bad for the newcomers who think it’s a story about their favorite pairing, but at the end it doesn’t.

    • cathy massey

      10/14/2013 at 11:04 am

      If you start making a lot of perfectly innocent gen start implying that they are slash and pedophilia, then you can expect people to jump to conclusions about what’s permitted here based on superficial reading of summaries.

      Pretty soon you’ll have a load or MA stuff here, with authors saying “But look at HIS summary! How come HE can post that?”

      Making things too easy for the superficial sorts to jump to the wrong conclusion is opening up an unnecessary can of worms.Why make more work for yourself?

      • cathy massey

        10/14/2013 at 11:04 pm

        Not certain why this double-posted down here. Didn’t notice it at the time. The proper place is farther up the page, in response to Yemi’s 10.02 am post.


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